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Penn Yan?
Anyone familiar with this brand? I'm looking at a 26' twin Chrysler 318's
w/inboard, "tunnel drive". thanks, LD |
LD wrote:
Anyone familiar with this brand? I'm looking at a 26' twin Chrysler 318's w/inboard, "tunnel drive". thanks, LD Yeah. Great canoes, great round bilge, canvas covered cedar strip outboard boats in the late 1940s and 1950s, really beautiful little boats. Sorry that I know zip about the newer models. You need a surveyor to look the boat over from top to bottom, and to check over the engines very, very carefully. -- We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah. What, me worry? |
Around 10/2/2004 7:44 AM, Harry Krause wrote:
LD wrote: Anyone familiar with this brand? Yeah. Great canoes, great round bilge, canvas covered cedar strip outboard boats in the late 1940s and 1950s, really beautiful little boats. .... at least until they're backed into: http://galmgren.home.comcast.net/chr...crunched10.jpg http://galmgren.home.comcast.net/chr...crunched11.jpg http://galmgren.home.comcast.net/chr...crunched12.jpg -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
Decent boats with shallow draft. As Harry suggested have a good surveyor go
over them. The engines bear a very close look. I like them. Butch "Garth Almgren" wrote in message ... Around 10/2/2004 7:44 AM, Harry Krause wrote: LD wrote: Anyone familiar with this brand? Yeah. Great canoes, great round bilge, canvas covered cedar strip outboard boats in the late 1940s and 1950s, really beautiful little boats. ... at least until they're backed into: http://galmgren.home.comcast.net/chr...crunched10.jpg http://galmgren.home.comcast.net/chr...crunched11.jpg http://galmgren.home.comcast.net/chr...crunched12.jpg -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:42:49 -0400, "LD" wrote:
Anyone familiar with this brand? I'm looking at a 26' twin Chrysler 318's w/inboard, "tunnel drive". Fly bridge, second control station below, small berth area, salon/head/dinette with enclosed gally, etc? Good boats. The tunnel drive - here's a site that will describe the tunnel drive and how it works. http://www.outpostterra.com/outpost/b3/tundri.shtml Anyway.... They all have one thing in common - they tend to be nose heavy - they need trim tabs. The tunnel drive system is designed to bring boats closer to shore - shallow draft in other words. Theoretically, the tunnel drive concentrates the thrust of prop, but in practice, it's just another drive. The 318 is a good motor, but it's not terribly efficient compared to other inboards. Two of them will suck some gas. As to the Penn Yann it'self, it's a good boat - they sold a lot of these and there are a lot of them still around and in decent shape. What to look for before you even think about buying this? Sound the hull with a small hammer, look for stress cracks along the chines, make sure the bottom paint is good if it's been out of the water for a while, check the stringers with a small hammer (if there is a rather weak thud rather than a strong thunk, then the stringers are no good), sound the transom for the same problem, check for soggy decks (in particular the fly bridge and the areas around the cabin), etc. If you decide that you want the boat, then give a deposit and hire a surveyor to do exactly what you just did. Trust me on this - you can't lose by spending a couple hundred bucks on a surveyor. I know from what I speak. If the boat passes inspection, take it for a test drive with the surveyor. The surveyor has the heat sensors to check that the risers are within spec and the engine isn't overheating. It also gives you a chance to drive it under supervision and see if you like the way it handles. Once that's done, then have the surveyor do a compression check on both engines. After that, it's a question of negotiating a final price if the things wrong are minor and there are no major repairs to be made. If there are, then you have some more negotiating room if you really want the boat and are willing to put some time into it. At the very minimum, get a surveyor. Later, Tom ----------- "Angling may be said to be so like the mathematics that it can never be fully learnt..." Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653 |
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 20:05:32 -0400, JohnH
wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ Tom, do you have any idea what the temperature of a riser should be on a warm 5.7L Mercruiser? Should there be a difference in the temperatures of the two? The mechanic at my marina told me the starboard riser will run hotter than the port. Any knowledge of this? No, although the engines I've seen serviced by shop technicians usually run between 90/110º - anything above 130º is considered suspect but that's not an official temperature - it's just an observation on my part. As to differences between risers, I'm not sure why that would happen and would love to hear if there is a difference and why. I've never heard anything about a difference being normal. Take care. Tom "The beatings will stop when morale improves." E. Teach, 1717 |
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 20:49:58 -0400, JohnH
wrote: On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 00:19:13 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 20:05:32 -0400, JohnH wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ Tom, do you have any idea what the temperature of a riser should be on a warm 5.7L Mercruiser? Should there be a difference in the temperatures of the two? The mechanic at my marina told me the starboard riser will run hotter than the port. Any knowledge of this? No, although the engines I've seen serviced by shop technicians usually run between 90/110º - anything above 130º is considered suspect but that's not an official temperature - it's just an observation on my part. As to differences between risers, I'm not sure why that would happen and would love to hear if there is a difference and why. I've never heard anything about a difference being normal. The mechanic said something to the effect that the water from the circulating pump gets to the port manifold first. (?) I didn't go look at the cooling system to see if that made sense, and I can't find enough detail on the web to verify or disprove it. The thermostat is 160 degrees. That would seem to imply that the surface temp of the riser, which is cooled with that water and heated with exhaust gases, would be somewhere in that ballpark. But there is a noticeable (to the touch) difference between the temps of the two risers. I'd guess 15 degrees or so. (My temp sensors in fingers have not been calibrated, however.) Well, I can't say myself - just don't have the experience with inboards that I would have liked to have. Almost all the engines on boats I've owned have been outboards - I've only owned one inboard and the only thing I did to that boat was rebuild the engine. I sold the boat three months after I bought it. However, I did know a guy who had a very accurate torgue arm. He could nail torgue values up to about 40 lbs. I don't know if he can still do it or not. Later, Tom |
Thanks for the input guys; I've looked at this 26' hurricane damaged boat,
(about a football sized hole back from the bow about 5' and just below the waterline, which I'm confident I can fix). I'd like to get a boat on a low budget that's capable of taking me 20-30 miles out to go after the big ones and spend the night if I had or wanted to (in calm weather). The roominess, stability (w/10 1/2' beam), dual station, twin engines all appeals to me. It's a major fixer upper but, hey, it's just time and money. It looks like I could get it into the water for fishing for about $5000. My areas of concern are the tunnel drive (how fast??) w/the 318's and the seemly lack of strength at the roof area to the deck with all the glass? Anyway, it's just a thought about yet another project. Told the wife it would keep me off the street! "Butch Davis" wrote in message nk.net... Decent boats with shallow draft. As Harry suggested have a good surveyor go over them. The engines bear a very close look. I like them. Butch "Garth Almgren" wrote in message ... Around 10/2/2004 7:44 AM, Harry Krause wrote: LD wrote: Anyone familiar with this brand? Yeah. Great canoes, great round bilge, canvas covered cedar strip outboard boats in the late 1940s and 1950s, really beautiful little boats. ... at least until they're backed into: http://galmgren.home.comcast.net/chr...crunched10.jpg http://galmgren.home.comcast.net/chr...crunched11.jpg http://galmgren.home.comcast.net/chr...crunched12.jpg -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
Wow, an intresting, informative site!! However, I don't think the rest of
this boat is up to the speed possible by this propulsion system. Thanks, LD "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:42:49 -0400, "LD" wrote: Anyone familiar with this brand? I'm looking at a 26' twin Chrysler 318's w/inboard, "tunnel drive". Fly bridge, second control station below, small berth area, salon/head/dinette with enclosed gally, etc? Good boats. The tunnel drive - here's a site that will describe the tunnel drive and how it works. http://www.outpostterra.com/outpost/b3/tundri.shtml Anyway.... They all have one thing in common - they tend to be nose heavy - they need trim tabs. The tunnel drive system is designed to bring boats closer to shore - shallow draft in other words. Theoretically, the tunnel drive concentrates the thrust of prop, but in practice, it's just another drive. The 318 is a good motor, but it's not terribly efficient compared to other inboards. Two of them will suck some gas. As to the Penn Yann it'self, it's a good boat - they sold a lot of these and there are a lot of them still around and in decent shape. What to look for before you even think about buying this? Sound the hull with a small hammer, look for stress cracks along the chines, make sure the bottom paint is good if it's been out of the water for a while, check the stringers with a small hammer (if there is a rather weak thud rather than a strong thunk, then the stringers are no good), sound the transom for the same problem, check for soggy decks (in particular the fly bridge and the areas around the cabin), etc. If you decide that you want the boat, then give a deposit and hire a surveyor to do exactly what you just did. Trust me on this - you can't lose by spending a couple hundred bucks on a surveyor. I know from what I speak. If the boat passes inspection, take it for a test drive with the surveyor. The surveyor has the heat sensors to check that the risers are within spec and the engine isn't overheating. It also gives you a chance to drive it under supervision and see if you like the way it handles. Once that's done, then have the surveyor do a compression check on both engines. After that, it's a question of negotiating a final price if the things wrong are minor and there are no major repairs to be made. If there are, then you have some more negotiating room if you really want the boat and are willing to put some time into it. At the very minimum, get a surveyor. Later, Tom ----------- "Angling may be said to be so like the mathematics that it can never be fully learnt..." Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653 |
Is there something specific about the 318's to look for? I really don't
know anything about a 4 stroke, inboard drive but I've rebuilt a few 289's and 350's. Other than a compression and oil pressure check and obvious cracks in the exhaust/cooling system, what else? I can see how, if it's not an outboard, the inboard drive should be much simpler and less prone to failure than an out-drive. "Butch Davis" wrote in message nk.net... Decent boats with shallow draft. As Harry suggested have a good surveyor go over them. The engines bear a very close look. I like them. Butch "Garth Almgren" wrote in message ... Around 10/2/2004 7:44 AM, Harry Krause wrote: LD wrote: Anyone familiar with this brand? Yeah. Great canoes, great round bilge, canvas covered cedar strip outboard boats in the late 1940s and 1950s, really beautiful little boats. ... at least until they're backed into: http://galmgren.home.comcast.net/chr...crunched10.jpg http://galmgren.home.comcast.net/chr...crunched11.jpg http://galmgren.home.comcast.net/chr...crunched12.jpg -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 11:42:21 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 23:29:19 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:42:49 -0400, "LD" wrote: Anyone familiar with this brand? I'm looking at a 26' twin Chrysler 318's w/inboard, "tunnel drive". Fly bridge, second control station below, small berth area, salon/head/dinette with enclosed gally, etc? Good boats. The tunnel drive - here's a site that will describe the tunnel drive and how it works. http://www.outpostterra.com/outpost/b3/tundri.shtml Anyway.... Kree, Tau'ri, Rin'tel'noc. Lek tol. Ba'ja'kakma'te!!! Tal'mac Tun'cma'le T'E'afran!!! Tal'mac hak'tar gonach! Kree, kel'nok shree chel'til shol'va - swaic? Kree sha. Later, Tom |
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:00:28 -0400, "LD" wrote:
Thanks for the input guys; I've looked at this 26' hurricane damaged boat, (about a football sized hole back from the bow about 5' and just below the waterline, which I'm confident I can fix). I'd like to get a boat on a low budget that's capable of taking me 20-30 miles out to go after the big ones and spend the night if I had or wanted to (in calm weather). The roominess, stability (w/10 1/2' beam), dual station, twin engines all appeals to me. It's a major fixer upper but, hey, it's just time and money. It looks like I could get it into the water for fishing for about $5000. My areas of concern are the tunnel drive (how fast??) w/the 318's and the seemly lack of strength at the roof area to the deck with all the glass? Anyway, it's just a thought about yet another project. Told the wife it would keep me off the street! Ah - well, that puts a whole different light on the subject. Now you really need to have it surveyed. I'd be willing to bet that there is more damage there than you can see. If you are picking up this boat that cheap, another $500 or so won't hurt you and it will save you a ton of restoration time. Later, Tom ----------- "Angling may be said to be so like the mathematics that it can never be fully learnt..." Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653 |
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 15:45:54 -0400, "Gene Kearns"
wrote: On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:23:26 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Si`nu Tal'mac Dis'tra. Kree, kel'nok shree chel'til kal'ma. Swaic? Kree.... Cha'hari.... Kel'nok shree Jax. Jax'mac harek rel kree lo'mak onak rak shel'na. Lek tol. ROTFLMAO!!!!! I'm sorry man, this was way too funny. :) I surrender. All the best, Tom -------------- "What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup... is there a computer terminal in the day room of some looney bin somewhere?" Bilgeman - circa 2004 |
On 10/3/2004 12:45 PM, Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:23:26 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Si`nu Tal'mac Dis'tra. Kree, kel'nok shree chel'til kal'ma. Swaic? Kree.... Cha'hari.... Kel'nok shree Jax. Jax'mac harek rel kree lo'mak onak rak shel'na. Lek tol. LOL! Ral-tora kree, Gene. :) -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:40:31 -0700, Garth Almgren
wrote: On 10/3/2004 12:45 PM, Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:23:26 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Si`nu Tal'mac Dis'tra. Kree, kel'nok shree chel'til kal'ma. Swaic? Kree.... Cha'hari.... Kel'nok shree Jax. Jax'mac harek rel kree lo'mak onak rak shel'na. Lek tol. LOL! Ral-tora kree, Gene. :) It was funny, wasn't it... :) Later, Tom |
Well, I must be either too old, too young, too alert, or asleep. I don't
have a clue what you are writing, or, in what language. I guess I'll go back to sleep! (unless one of you cares to explain----Now you got my curiosity up!) LD "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:40:31 -0700, Garth Almgren wrote: On 10/3/2004 12:45 PM, Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:23:26 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Si`nu Tal'mac Dis'tra. Kree, kel'nok shree chel'til kal'ma. Swaic? Kree.... Cha'hari.... Kel'nok shree Jax. Jax'mac harek rel kree lo'mak onak rak shel'na. Lek tol. LOL! Ral-tora kree, Gene. :) It was funny, wasn't it... :) Later, Tom |
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:51:43 -0400, "LD"
wrote: Well, I must be either too old, too young, too alert, or asleep. I don't have a clue what you are writing, or, in what language. I guess I'll go back to sleep! (unless one of you cares to explain----Now you got my curiosity up!) It is Goa'uld - the language of the System Lords (modeled after the Ancient Egyptian Gods and other famous characters of myth and lore). They are part of the story line of "Stargate: SG1". If you have some time to kill, here's a good site for you to use translating Goa'uld to English. :) Later, Tom |
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:08:09 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:51:43 -0400, "LD" wrote: Well, I must be either too old, too young, too alert, or asleep. I don't have a clue what you are writing, or, in what language. I guess I'll go back to sleep! (unless one of you cares to explain----Now you got my curiosity up!) It is Goa'uld - the language of the System Lords (modeled after the Ancient Egyptian Gods and other famous characters of myth and lore). They are part of the story line of "Stargate: SG1". If you have some time to kill, here's a good site for you to use translating Goa'uld to English. :) Whoops - my bad. http://www.prophet.phlegethon.org/Fi...goauld_dic.htm Later, Tom |
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:51:43 -0400, "LD" wrote: Well, I must be either too old, too young, too alert, or asleep. I don't have a clue what you are writing, or, in what language. I guess I'll go back to sleep! (unless one of you cares to explain----Now you got my curiosity up!) It is Goa'uld - the language of the System Lords Funny...you don't look Goa'uld-ish. We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah. What, me worry? |
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:11:58 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:51:43 -0400, "LD" wrote: Well, I must be either too old, too young, too alert, or asleep. I don't have a clue what you are writing, or, in what language. I guess I'll go back to sleep! (unless one of you cares to explain----Now you got my curiosity up!) It is Goa'uld - the language of the System Lords Funny...you don't look Goa'uld-ish. Good one!!! :) Later, Tom |
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WaIIy wrote:
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:11:58 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:51:43 -0400, "LD" wrote: Well, I must be either too old, too young, too alert, or asleep. I don't have a clue what you are writing, or, in what language. I guess I'll go back to sleep! (unless one of you cares to explain----Now you got my curiosity up!) It is Goa'uld - the language of the System Lords Funny...you don't look Goa'uld-ish. We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah. What, me worry? You forgot the delimiter for your sig. Thanks! -- The Bush Presidency... A Catastrophic Success? |
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