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"jps" wrote in message

Ex post facto reports of civilian casualties must of necessity be
looked upon with a jaundiced eye.

Whew, that's a pretty sick perspective. What do you think the time
limit should be on dead children?

We spend thousands of man hours looking for a pretty girl in N. Dakota
and don't blink an eye when 9 kids and then another 6 are killed by
mistake.

It just doesn't matter as much when they're brown, does it?

I know it is always convenient for you to try to play a race card in
political arguments, thinking you can preempt the moral high ground, but you
really ought to be careful. When a miserable little **** makes an insulting
and presumptuous statement like yours, you have no idea of the background of
the person to whom you're directing your remarks. Suffice it to say that
you simply don't know what you're talking about.

But that's really not the point of the original post. There have been
numerous documented cases in several countries in the mid-east of
governments using their own people, including children, as human shields.
When these people get killed, news outlets, including American sources, are
more than willing to blast the story ad nauseam, with little or no reference
to the fact that these people were likely placed in harm's way by their own
government, by force. There have been cases in both Iraq wars wherein there
were civilian casualties resulting from explosions with which US tactical
operations had no connection. In virtually all these cases there was video
feed available within minutes from al Jazeera or al Arabiya of injured
children being rushed to hospitals, blood soaked, wailing adults, etc.
Injuries and deaths very real and very tragic, but no one, including US news
sources, asks how the local Arab news crews happened to be in exactly the
right spot so quickly, and no one, including US news sources, gives any
credence to the US Forces' statements that this was not a result of their
operations.

History has shown, for the benefit of those who care to pay attention, that
these governments and military forces will create their own "collateral
damage" for consumption by the ever-gluttonous international news agencies.
Anyone who *does not* look upon these reports with at least some initial
skepticism is being naive in the extreme.

"K Smith" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
" Tuuk" wrote in message
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Wow, your out to lunch on all those points. Are you sure you read the
newspaper or just looking at the pictures?

Well...we are sort of improving our score over the past week, in terms
of
getting rid of those annoying Iraqi children.

Come on you lefties are loony toons!!

These people have to take responsibility for themselves, eventually, if
they harbour terrorists then they put themselves & their families at
risk.

So, you're positive that the children killed this week came from families
which supported the Taliban?

Or, would you like some condiments with your dish of crow?

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message
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I think the difference is that if you were an Iraqi living under Saddam,
and
you posted this, you'd be tortured to death...right after watching 50
guys
gang-rape your wife, sister, and daughter.

Are you stupid, or just trying to sound that way?

You asked "So, it started me to wondering, just what is the difference
between the Saddam regime, and the US regime?"

And I replied: "I think the difference is that if you were an Iraqi living
under Saddam, and you posted this, you'd be tortured to death...right after
watching 50 guys
gang-rape your wife, sister, and daughter."

If there was anything stupid about my response it's that I actually took the
time to give a reasonable answer to an absurd rhetorical question.

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...

Did I miss anything?

Yes. The neurotransmitters between your axons.
\
Idiot. You've not given one sentence that opposes, with accuracy,
anything in the original post.

You asked for a difference between Saddam and Bush...and I told you that one
difference is that Saddam would kill you if you were an Iraqi and posted
such a question.

If you don't agree with the answer, then offer a rebuttal. In absence of
such, it becomes obvious that when unable to offer a reasonable response,
you simply revert to name-calling.

And don't forget how much safer all those Iraqis feel right now after we
came along and took care of all those evil-doers. It sort of reminds me
how safe I feel now that I read that Osama bin Laden has us right where
he wants us, especially now that every Muslim in the world hates us now.

That Bush guy is so great that a lot of folks around here are starting
to call him "Adolph" and his entourage is referred to as "the Fourth
Reich." Think about it, invading other countries without cause for the
sole reason of advancing our own economic greed.

No, I haven't forgotten weapons of mass destruction. Did we ever find
those? And for those of you who are sure they are over there, you need
to call in those GPS coordinates to our troops over there that are
looking; they need all the help they can get, especially before election
time.

And yes, I really am a patriot, a real, live Viet Nam era vet who
honorably served in the US Army and came out with a DD214 and an
Honorable Discharge, which is more than we can say for all the rest of
the chickenhawks in our regime. Except for Colin Powell (and they don't
even listen to him) neither Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney or Wolfowitz did
anything in the service when they really had a chance to wear the green.
No one really even knows where Bush was when he was supposed to be
serving, except he lost his flying certification because he didn't show
up. He sure isn't talking about it, is he? Here are his impressive
qualifications:

RESUME of GEORGE W. BUSH

EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE
LAW ENFORCEMENT: I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine in 1976 for
driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and
had my driver’s license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record
has been “lost” and is not available.
MILITARY: I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused
to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By
joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in
Vietnam.
COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University. I was a cheerleader.
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas in 1975. I
bought an oil company, but couldn’t find any oil in Texas. The company
went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took
land using taxpayer money.
With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry
(including ENRON CEO Ken Lay), I was elected Governor of Texas.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR:
I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making
Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden
city in America.
I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in
borrowed money.
I set the record for the most executions by any Governor in American
history.
With the help of my brother, the Governor of Florida, and my father’s
appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by
over 500,000 votes.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one
billion dollars per week.
I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.
I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.
I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any
12-month period.
I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the
U.S. stock market.
I am the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal
record.
I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period.
After taking-off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst
security failure in U.S. history.
I am supporting development of a nuclear “Tactical Bunker Buster,” a WMD.
In my State Of The Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking
Iraq, and then blamed the lies on our British friends.
I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. president.
In my first year in office over 2-million Americans lost their jobs and
that trend continues every month.
I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
I appointed more convicted criminals to my administration than any
president in U.S. history.
I set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any
president since the advent of television.
I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to
intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.
I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in
duty benefits for active duty troops and their families—in wartime.
I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to
simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people)
shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of
mankind.
I’ve broken more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.
I’m proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any
administration in U.S. history. My “poorest millionaire,” Condoleeza
Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
I am the first president in U.S. history to order an unprovoked,
pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I
did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.
citizens, and the world community.
I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in
the history of the United States government.
I am the first president in U.S. history to have the United Nations
remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war
“detainees”) and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
I am the first president in history to refuse United Nations election
inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most
corporate campaign donations.
My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends,
Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in
U.S. history. My political party used the Enron private jets and
corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court
during my election decision. I have protected my friends at Enron and
Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money
was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent
investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.
I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center
attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country
in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history. I am
first president in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my
presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.
I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded
government contracts.
I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden and
Saddam Hussein to justice.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
All records of my tenure as Governor of Texas are now in my father’s
library, sealed, and unavailable for public view.
All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my
bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President,
attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and
unavailable for public review.
Please consider my experience when voting in 2004 -

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"K Smith" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
" Tuuk" wrote in message
...

Wow, your out to lunch on all those points. Are you sure you read the
newspaper or just looking at the pictures?

Well...we are sort of improving our score over the past week, in terms
of
getting rid of those annoying Iraqi children.

Come on you lefties are loony toons!!

These people have to take responsibility for themselves, eventually, if
they harbour terrorists then they put themselves & their families at
risk.

So, you're positive that the children killed this week came from families
which supported the Taliban?

Or, would you like some condiments with your dish of crow?

Is that a side dish to go along those tasty dead children?

There is nothing quite as satisfying as dropping cluster bombs on
small childen. They do squeal so.

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:27:34 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message
. com...
"NOYB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
I think the difference is that if you were an Iraqi living under Saddam,
and
you posted this, you'd be tortured to death...right after watching 50
guys
gang-rape your wife, sister, and daughter.

Are you stupid, or just trying to sound that way?

You asked "So, it started me to wondering, just what is the difference
between the Saddam regime, and the US regime?"

And I replied: "I think the difference is that if you were an Iraqi living
under Saddam, and you posted this, you'd be tortured to death...right after
watching 50 guys
gang-rape your wife, sister, and daughter."

If there was anything stupid about my response it's that I actually took the
time to give a reasonable answer to an absurd rhetorical question.

Which wasn't understood by basskisser, the self-appraised 'thinker'.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

basskisser wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Did I miss anything?

Yes; You sorely miss your brain. We miss it too.

-- Charlie

Do you have anything intelligent to interject, or are you just upset
because I can think for myself, therefore, I'm not goose-stepping to
the current administration?

Yes, I do have something to inteject, your brain.

I'm holding back on whether it's intelligent but I'll help you look for
it. When we find it then we'll see if it has any intelligence.

-- Charlie

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Messing In Boats wrote in message ...

RESUME of GEORGE W. BUSH

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR:
I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making
Texas the most polluted state in the Union.

This is a misleading statement. There are many different kinds of
pollution, and this implies Texas is highest overall or in all
categories, which it is not.

During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden
city in America.

Ozone is only one component of air pollution; there are five others,
according to the EPA. Houston surpassed L.A. in ozone only (not other
kinds of air pollution or pollution overall) and only in 1999-2000.

These will be of interest:

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m12.../article.jhtml
"Anyone who claims that Houston's smog problems are equal to or worse
than L.A.'s is misinformed," says Kay Jones, a former EPA official who
now consults on air quality."

http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_sout....af.0.a4.cccba.
html
"In some ways, calling Houston America's smoggiest city misrepresented
the relative quality of air in the two cities. Los Angeles' air is
worse than Houston's in other categories. But ozone is the primary
pollutant of concern and therefore gets more attention, officials
said."

http://www.rice.edu/projects/reno/rn...lates/air.html
"Houston's number of ozone violation days are actually somewhat fewer
than in the 1980s. The difference seems to be that Los Angeles has
improved more and faster."

Those were older articles. Here's more recent info on ozone
violations:

http://www.lungusa.org/air2001/analysis02.html#woes
State of the Air 2002
"For the third straight year, the top four most ozone-polluted
metropolitan areas were in California: Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange
County; Bakersfield; Fresno; and Visalia-Tulare-Porterville. The state
also has the five most ozone-polluted counties: San Bernadino has been
number 1 three years in a row; Kern, comes in at number 2 this year,
after claiming the number 3 spot for the previous two years; Fresno
moves up to number 3 after two years as the fourth-most polluted
county, Riverside is number 4, after two years as the second-most
polluted county; and Tulare, number five for the second year in a
row."

And overall air quality:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...olitan/2056693
Number of days in 2000-2002 when air quality was unhealthy
1. Riverside-San Bernardino, Ca. 445 days
2. Fresno, Ca. 421
3. Bakersfield, Ca. 409
4. Los Angeles-Long Beach, Ca. 255
5. Sacramento, Ca. 163
6. Pittsburgh, Penn. 134
7. Knoxville, Tenn. 109
8. Birmingham, Al. 100
9. Houston, Tx. 94
10. Baltimore, Md. 93

Once again -- ozone (the main component of smog) is not the only kind
of air pollution, and probably not even the most dangerous:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science....ap/index.html
".... 1999-2001 EPA data, do not take into account a pollutant that's
considered more dangerous than smog -- tiny particles of soot
that can lodge deep in the lungs and cause heart problems and even
death."

http://bicycleaustin.info/articles/p...cise-risk.html
"Severe particulate (soot) pollution exists in many urban and desert
areas, including Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Chicago, New York City,
Salt Lake City and Phoenix, which in 1998 surpassed Riverside, Calif.,
with the nation's highest particulate levels. Levels of particulate
matter in Houston's air do not exceed the limit set in the current
national health standard for that air pollutant."

There is no good reason to spread lies and exaggerations about Houston
and Texas in the name of politics.

jjp wrote:

Messing In Boats wrote in message ...

RESUME of GEORGE W. BUSH

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR:
I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making
Texas the most polluted state in the Union.

This is a misleading statement. There are many different kinds of
pollution, and this implies Texas is highest overall or in all
categories, which it is not.

Indeed, for a couple of days, Bhopal was worse.

Bhopal Industrial Disaster, December 3 1984
by Rajiv Lather

Winter night and all is quiet,
people sleep wrapped in quilts,
unaware of the virulent monster
close by, seething to escape.

Right after midnight it leaks out,
like a gargantuan gray amoeba,
silently floating along the floor,
entering homes thru' windows n doors.

Toxic tentacles touch every one
to burn tissues of eyes and lungs.
Fleeing folks flounder in the dark
and choke on their own fluids.

Doom roams from home to home,
industriously snuffing out life after life.
Poisonous cloud continues to kill,
till thousands die a dreadful death.

Dawn sheds light on a tragic sight;
ill and dead spread here and there.
Green leaves turned to black
and smell of burning chilies hangs in air.

Funeral fires light up the sky,
as flesh after lifeless flesh
is consumed by flames,
seen off by eyes too shocked to cry.

Powers that be let rich culprits flee.
Handicapped survivors, cries of blind
remain behind as relentless reminders
of great deeds achieved by greed.
Copyright @ haryana-online.com & Rajiv Lather

There is no good reason to spread lies and exaggerations about Houston
and Texas in the name of politics.

Texas sucks.

--
Email sent to is never read.

basskisser wrote:
K Smith wrote in message news:brbcct$1fuf2$1@ID-

Come on you lefties are loony toons!!

These people have to take responsibility for themselves, eventually, if
they harbour terrorists then they put themselves & their families at
risk. Eventually individuals, then families, then villages, then towns,
then cities, then whole countries will get to understand that if "they"
pose a risk to "our" safety, then we'll come & get 'em. If we politely
ask them to help or "prove" they're no risk; they better help or
disclose fully & quickly or ....................

hmmm, okay, almost every country in the world is "harbouring
terrorists". Does that give us the right to kill there children? I'll
bet Australia is harboring some.

Yes I agree but the difference is if we find them we act, we don't turn
a blind eye & any citizen helping them will get prosecuted. Currently a
"possible" French terrorist was extradited at their request, so we did;
but now we're locally prosecuting those that helped him hide while he
was here.

If the US had told us about him, then given us plenty of time to do
something & over a long period we just said get nicked, then we would
only have ourselves to blame when the bombs came.

Honestly can't you see that these "victims" are being used as shields
by terrorists (I suggest with these "poor" villagers probably knowingly)

If you want to tell sad stories about innocents getting killed start
posting stories about the people & families of the victims, of 911 then
move on to Bali & countless other "innocent" deaths.

You don't think those little Afghani children were innocent victims?

The children themselves are always innocent, however the parents &
relatives that didn't instantly turn the terrorists in are not
"innocent" in any manner & have put the childrens lives at risk.
Hopefully in the future these "innocent" terrorist supporters will think
more carefully.

If you used your kids as shields you'd deserve what you got also, so
just stop wearing your lefty cowardice around like a crown & wake up.

Hello, stupid person alert!! It is the innocent children who are
punished.

ATl if just once we exempted going after terrorists because they were
being hidden in a village with children guess what?? We'd never be able
to end this nightmare!! These people are driven by religious hate of us
& they think sacrificing themselves or their children is an honour!!
Sorry we have to show that using innocents as shields doesn't work, as
it shouldn't not ever.

Try thanking the brave troops from all over the place who are risking
"their" lives daily to make ours safer.

How do you know that I haven't done that?

Because you're constantly here denigrating their efforts with your
crocodile tears.

There are real people, good honest people, who have to carry out these
missions to keep the likes of you safe at home, how do you think they
feel when it transpires the terrorists &/or the villages were hiding
amongst a bunch of innocent children??? Do you ever stop & think at
all??? or do you just Harry style see a one line political put down so
go for it.

Doug stop & think, Harry is a failed life, just a lying piece of
lowlife grub crap, don't follow along, notwithstanding you don't seem
too bright, still at least have a go at working this out for yourself.

Let's see, you say that, because fanatic adults live in a certain
country, then their children are open targets, yet you call someone
else stupid???

Yes what other explanation is there?? I doubt you're actually a
terrorist here to spin public opinion against protecting you from attack
so what other answer can there be??? Harry is stupid so don't just
follow his BS or you are as stupid as he is.

If we were to kill the children of religious fanatics,
we'd need to start here!

Ever stop and think about the fact that the
religious fanatics here in the U.S. are just a few stops short of the
Taliban? They want to rule when we can buy beer (not on Sunday!) They
want to integrate church and state. They want to ban anything that
they don't exactly prescribe to.

Honestly we are trying to have a discussion yes?? So OK lets take that
then;

(i) Local religious fanatics don't blow themselves up to kill many
ordinary people even including their own supporters, just going about
their daily lives, however if they did we'd certainly get 'em every
time; (McViae) yes???

(ii) If say an abortion clinic killer was on the run & went to hide in a
religious fanatic "village" what would we do?? We'd certainly not just
say it's all too hard & we'll have to just let this one go:-) No we'd
surround the place & do what was needed to be done, however there is no
possibility even in your lefty world that we could let hiding behind
children be a successful tactic to evade the law AND every adult
involved in helping this abortion clinic killer??? they absolutely go to
jail too.

(iii) You deliberately spin this that those brave mostly young soldiers
deliberately killed those children, they didn't!!! the terrorists & the
childrens' parents did!!! Just as at Waiko or Jonestown, the local
coppers just doing their jobs, the FBI or CIA blokes, again just doing
their sworn duty, didn't "kill" ANY children; the parents did.

At the end of the day if people including parents in charge of children
will not comply, then that doesn't mean we just pack up & go home, it
means they've made a choice, that choice like most carries consequences,
this is something the left has no good grasp of.

There is no manner that harbouring terrorists isn't known to be risky &
so if people make the choice to risk it .............

Should you actually want to have a proper discussion about the real
issues there's lots here only too happy to have a go at it with you, but
this dead baby crap is just emotive lefty BS.

Oh? You think it okay to kill children who are just innocent victims?
Then why not be okay to kill ANYBODY, innocent or not.

Please atl actually try to stop & think about it, none of those
children were "killed" by our side.

As above if you have a better way of doing it let's all hear it, take
the abortion clinic killer hiding with the fanatics, what do you say
should be done??? Try to account for the fact that surrounding the place
in afghanistan for weeks just isn't a safe option for the troops even if
we had enough to do it.

Again they declared war, not you;

When DID those children declare war?

They declared war on "you" via their parents when they decided to not
actively help you hunt the terrorists or maybe worse actually help them
hide out.

Remember those same terrorists try to kill the young troops at every
opportunity, or they blow themselves up in the street to kill hundreds
of innocents. It's sad very sad but hey what was 911???

K

Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old memories:-)

I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer
for my

staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.

I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and business
booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a
production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the state of
the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat Republicrap
candidates.

I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer
for my

staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.

We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health
insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k,
and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a
share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees
pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but
that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks
vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In
addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on
Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days
of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering
pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees.
Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of
course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are
not-for-profit enterprises.
How do these compare to the bennies at your shop?

Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid
holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year.
Are
they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to
bankruptcy.

Boy...and you had me going there for a minute.

Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our
business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our
business always goes up in a major election year.
You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is
such a total failure.

The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those
days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as
yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there
in case they're needed.

Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD.

The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's
salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing
an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit
maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to
$10,000 per month.

Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted);

I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was
sold...every
cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near
full-retail, too.

He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a
syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had been a
solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they gave him
great rates.

As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in
my memory,
and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife),
Kennedy,
Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and
participated in
deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important
than who
was giving them blow jobs.

Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except
Bush, and I
worked once for his father.

My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would be
hit by
a mild hurricane. No
one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats sunk.
Preferably early in July.

We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold
clear, a
broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida
lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners
hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary
assignments
they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being
romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid
for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full
years. So,
we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any,
either.
The proceeds were prudently invested.

The PWC was won as
a prize in a raffle.

Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of his
office?
Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?"
Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one or two

"around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These were
sold
as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and run.
Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if he
wanted
it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because my dad's
main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with lots of
manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In
those days,
workers at these places could fix anything.

Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner.
But he still
called bumpers bumpers.
--

Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to
entice him
into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small boat
dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he was the
*exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal county. He
also handled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred to
them
as "jerry-built."

From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard motors a
year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high percentage
of *all*
outboards sold in his home state for those years.

This is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating back to
right after
the Big War. When he died and I was looking through his
warehouse, I found
wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no idding), a brand-new 1949
Evinrude 8015
50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from Evinrude for
winning some
outboard stock utility or hydroplane race.

I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the shop
as head
mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is still
brand-new. I
have no idea who might own it now.

He also built
boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and
all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and I've
just been an occasional boat owner.

Besides, I worked off and on in the
boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm
knee-deep in boat heritage.

Oh,
and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it
wasn't for
what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam and came
back in body bags.

During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings
for the
Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use
them on
smaller
landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole
Evinrude
himself.
My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie
star or
singer...I forgot which. Maybe both.

Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under your
command? I have.

My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in
winter in
a 22'
boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the
fuel. Got a
"fireboat" welcome in NYC.

Here are some:

Hatteras 43' sportfish
Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop
Morgan 33
O'Day 30
Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
Century Coronado
Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze.
Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers
with various
Evinrudes
Lighting class sailboat
Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat.
Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit)
Alcort Sunfish
Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders.
Guaranteed 60
mph. In the late 1950's.
Skimmar brand skiff
Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider)
Dyer Dhow
Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass
Penn Yan runabouts. Wood.
Old Town wood and canvas canoe
Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe

Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft. Leonard
Wood to
Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About halfway
home it
started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY SINGLE
electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there was a
large
popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught fire. I
pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire, removed my
license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old MGA
is still
there.

Sure was a pretty little car.

Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one
example of
my professional writings on building structure and the effects on
it of
hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any of
these
in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching,
photographing and writing these reports, they were quite accurate,
topical and well-received by their intended audiences.

A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait,
tackle

and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats
were not
used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the
liners that
also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the
hulls. A
guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by
manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same
reasons
-liner and then hull fractures.

Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he
even put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it
was his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't
like nor tolerate misogynists for long.

Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top
stories over the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the
centre of attention, but as with his boat claims & other crap, there's
never once been even a shred of independently verifiable material.

After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most
frightening, I do suspect he's very very dangerous & that this "bride"
story is his delusional appropriation of his, probably court ordered,
treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was under lock & key for
what?? over a year??? a sexual deviant maybe??), have a read of just a
small part of his BS & make up your own mind, it's all about free choice:-)

1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the end of
"bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may.

2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am
entitled to
break them in exercise of my license.

3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands lovingly
referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant.

4. She's 20 years younger than I am.

Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political"
consulting
jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a
couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each of the
races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I
actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a contract
that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride also was
offered a job up here that represented a significant professional
career
move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the rest of
it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well,
really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last summer
and my bride just returned from a business trip there.

I swear this is true.

Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and
hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina,
Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby.

So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the hell did
you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of
water...?"

Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you don't own
a boat?
And why are you so crabby?
Maybe these two factors are related?

One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in
her car
every day, but she doesn't own it.

I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your
wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you
turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it.

No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console
with,
if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in
January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to
the Gulf Stream.

Bride and I caught and released:

1 white marlin
12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish.
Assorted red snappers
1 amberjack
2 jack crevalle jacks
1 snook
Nondescript sharks

Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state
hospital for forensic patients?
Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county facility for
substance abusers?
Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed
facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately
half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol?
Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner
practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are seeking help
for substance abuse problems?

Licensed psychotherapist
Screening as to character and background for each degree earned
On-going screening by faculty while in educational system
Interviews and screenings for required years of internships, plus,
at the same
time, supervision by a licensed professional.
Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed therapist
for two years
of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure
Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by licensed
practitioners
Four hour written examination on state laws
Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and practice

My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final
internship was as a
psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric
hospital where, on a
daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average soldier.

My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed state
mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated numerous
sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Such
"treatment"
is part of being in the mental health professions.

You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hour,
until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners
overcome their
feelings of boatable inadequacy.

She is a licensed, practicing
psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she sees each
day. Which can be taken any way one likes.

1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha know?
And much of
Freud is passe.

My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago.

They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to round-up
Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own
version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade.

1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office.

2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not one of
mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did* belong
to an
after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most
mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were
court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every
call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my wife had
the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone number of
every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the call
tried to block his number.

Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal people,
they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are
planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is
real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and perhaps the
police.

In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has never
received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill patient or
court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of this
newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she received a
number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls. These were
mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them BECAUSE
(duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it.
Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works closely
because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are
investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and*
authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia, California and
Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have been
able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of
course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages. Several
suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the outcome of
all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor are
either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would make
such calls.

The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious
calls came in
from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to trace.
The local
police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when
it was
discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got
involved. At
least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I can
tell, he
has not posted here again

basskisser wrote:
K Smith wrote in message ...

basskisser wrote:

I read an article in the local paper last night that said the US Army
command in Iraq is headquartered in one of Saddams marble and gold
leafed palaces. Living amongst the splendor and opulance of the
ruling class. So, it started me to wondering, just what is the
difference between the Saddam regime, and the US regime?

Both allow their commanding ranks to live in luxurious palaces.

Both use weapons of greatly superior power against poorly armed and
poorly trained insurgent forces

Both put down civilian rebellion mercilessly and brutally

Both show little regard for civilian casualties including killing
women and children

Both use nepotism and corruption in spreading around the wealth taken
from the nations populace and redistributed to friends and family of
the ruling elite.

Both use propaganda and outright lies in diseminating information
about the war or the state of the nations affairs.

Both restrict individual liberties of the people of the nation in
regards to freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and the right to
keep and bear arms.

Did I miss anything?

No of course there's no reason to see you as a lefty is there atl man???

I have to be a "lefty" to see that we are being lyed to by one of the
most corrupt administrations ever? I have to be a "lefty" to be
intelligent enough to see where this administration is screwing up?
That's funny, Newt Gingrich, who is farther right than Bush, is very
displeased with his Iraq and Afghani policy.

Individuals can all have their views & definitely should put them, but
hopefully also put an alternative plan at the same time???

It's the elected administration that has daily access to the raw data &
then they probably have a plethora of expert advice from which to make a
hobson's choice.

The end result is if the dems had been elected to power by the US
people, they too would have had the exact same material put in front of
them. Hopefully the outcome would have been the same. If not?? then
maybe there would have been more even worse attacks.

The outcome so far is excellent for the US citizen, your brave soldiers
(& ours don't forget little us:-)) have taken the fight right back into
"their" backyards, you've liberated millions while all the time
protecting your citizens & country.

This is good work & you shouldn't be poo pooing it publicly the way you
do, without telling us your alternative(s).

Bush deserves another term on this performance alone, & the economy of
the world being saved??? well he did that in his spare time:-)

K

Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old memories:-)

I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer
for my

staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.

I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and business
booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a
production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the state of
the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat Republicrap
candidates.

I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer
for my

staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.

We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health
insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k,
and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a
share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees
pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but
that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks
vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In
addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on
Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days
of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering
pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees.
Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of
course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are
not-for-profit enterprises.
How do these compare to the bennies at your shop?

Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid
holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year.
Are
they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to
bankruptcy.

Boy...and you had me going there for a minute.

Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our
business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our
business always goes up in a major election year.
You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is
such a total failure.

The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those
days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as
yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there
in case they're needed.

Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD.

The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's
salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing
an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit
maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to
$10,000 per month.

Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted);

I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was
sold...every
cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near
full-retail, too.

He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a
syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had been a
solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they gave him
great rates.

As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in
my memory,
and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife),
Kennedy,
Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and
participated in
deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important
than who
was giving them blow jobs.

Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except
Bush, and I
worked once for his father.

My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would be
hit by
a mild hurricane. No
one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats sunk.
Preferably early in July.

We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold
clear, a
broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida
lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners
hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary
assignments
they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being
romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid
for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full
years. So,
we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any,
either.
The proceeds were prudently invested.

The PWC was won as
a prize in a raffle.

Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of his
office?
Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?"
Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one or two

"around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These were
sold
as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and run.
Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if he
wanted
it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because my dad's
main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with lots of
manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In
those days,
workers at these places could fix anything.

Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner.
But he still
called bumpers bumpers.
--

Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to
entice him
into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small boat
dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he was the
*exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal county. He
also handled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred to
them
as "jerry-built."

From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard motors a
year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high percentage
of *all*
outboards sold in his home state for those years.

This is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating back to
right after
the Big War. When he died and I was looking through his
warehouse, I found
wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no kidding), a brand-new 1949
Evinrude 8015
50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from Evinrude for
winning some
outboard stock utility or hydroplane race.

I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the shop
as head
mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is still
brand-new. I
have no idea who might own it now.

He also built
boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and
all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and I've
just been an occasional boat owner.

Besides, I worked off and on in the
boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm
knee-deep in boat heritage.

Oh,
and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it
wasn't for
what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam and came
back in body bags.

During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings
for the
Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use
them on
smaller
landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole
Evinrude
himself.
My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie
star or
singer...I forgot which. Maybe both.

Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under your
command? I have.

My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in
winter in
a 22'
boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the
fuel. Got a
"fireboat" welcome in NYC.

Here are some:

Hatteras 43' sportfish
Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop
Morgan 33
O'Day 30
Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
Century Coronado
Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze.
Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers
with various
Evinrudes
Lighting class sailboat
Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat.
Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit)
Alcort Sunfish
Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders.
Guaranteed 60
mph. In the late 1950's.
Skimmar brand skiff
Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider)
Dyer Dhow
Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass
Penn Yan runabouts. Wood.
Old Town wood and canvas canoe
Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe

Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft. Leonard
Wood to
Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About halfway
home it
started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY SINGLE
electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there was a
large
popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught fire. I
pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire, removed my
license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old MGA
is still
there.

Sure was a pretty little car.

Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one
example of
my professional writings on building structure and the effects on
it of
hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any of
these
in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching,
photographing and writing these reports, they were quite accurate,
topical and well-received by their intended audiences.

A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait,
tackle

and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats
were not
used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the
liners that
also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the
hulls. A
guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by
manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same
reasons
-liner and then hull fractures.

Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he
even put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it
was his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't
like nor tolerate misogynists for long.

Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top
stories over the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the
centre of attention, but as with his boat claims & other crap, there's
never once been even a shred of independently verifiable material.

After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most
frightening, I do suspect he's very very dangerous & that this "bride"
story is his delusional appropriation of his, probably court ordered,
treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was under lock & key for
what?? over a year??? a sexual deviant maybe??), have a read of just a
small part of his BS & make up your own mind, it's all about free choice:-)

1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the end of
"bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may.

2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am
entitled to
break them in exercise of my license.

3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands lovingly
referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant.

4. She's 20 years younger than I am.

Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political"
consulting
jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a
couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each of the
races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I
actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a contract
that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride also was
offered a job up here that represented a significant professional
career
move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the rest of
it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well,
really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last summer
and my bride just returned from a business trip there.

I swear this is true.

Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and
hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina,
Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby.

So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the hell did
you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of
water...?"

Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you don't own
a boat?
And why are you so crabby?
Maybe these two factors are related?

One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in
her car
every day, but she doesn't own it.

I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your
wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you
turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it.

No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console
with,
if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in
January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to
the Gulf Stream.

Bride and I caught and released:

1 white marlin
12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish.
Assorted red snappers
1 amberjack
2 jack crevalle jacks
1 snook
Nondescript sharks

Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state
hospital for forensic patients?
Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county facility for
substance abusers?
Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed
facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately
half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol?
Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner
practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are seeking help
for substance abuse problems?

Licensed psychotherapist
Screening as to character and background for each degree earned
On-going screening by faculty while in educational system
Interviews and screenings for required years of internships, plus,
at the same
time, supervision by a licensed professional.
Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed therapist
for two years
of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure
Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by licensed
practitioners
Four hour written examination on state laws
Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and practice

My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final
internship was as a
psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric
hospital where, on a
daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average soldier.

My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed state
mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated numerous
sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Such
"treatment"
is part of being in the mental health professions.

You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hour,
until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners
overcome their
feelings of boatable inadequacy.

She is a licensed, practicing
psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she sees each
day. Which can be taken any way one likes.

1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha know?
And much of
Freud is passe.

My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago.

They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to round-up
Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own
version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade.

1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office.

2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not one of
mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did* belong
to an
after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most
mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were
court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every
call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my wife had
the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone number of
every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the call
tried to block his number.

Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal people,
they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are
planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is
real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and perhaps the
police.

In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has never
received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill patient or
court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of this
newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she received a
number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls. These were
mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them BECAUSE
(duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it.
Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works closely
because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are
investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and*
authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia, California and
Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have been
able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of
course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages. Several
suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the outcome of
all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor are
either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would make
such calls.

The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious
calls came in
from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to trace.
The local
police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when
it was
discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got
involved. At
least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I can
tell, he
has not posted here again

Doug Kanter wrote:
"K Smith" wrote in message
...

Doug Kanter wrote:

" Tuuk" wrote in message
.. .

Wow, your out to lunch on all those points. Are you sure you read the
newspaper or just looking at the pictures?

Well...we are sort of improving our score over the past week, in terms

of

getting rid of those annoying Iraqi children.

Come on you lefties are loony toons!!

These people have to take responsibility for themselves, eventually, if
they harbour terrorists then they put themselves & their families at
risk.

So, you're positive that the children killed this week came from families
which supported the Taliban?

Or, would you like some condiments with your dish of crow?

Doug the "village" & every adult in it makes a decision. If they
harbour terrorists they know they put every single person in the village
at risk.

I'm sorry this is the usual lefty stuff about innocent people die in
war, which is true, the difference is our side at least tries to
minimise such deaths whereas the terrorists do just the opposite.

K

Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old memories:-)

I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer
for my

staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.

I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and business
booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a
production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the state of
the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat Republicrap
candidates.

I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer
for my

staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.

We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health
insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k,
and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a
share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees
pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but
that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks
vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In
addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on
Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days
of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering
pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees.
Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of
course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are
not-for-profit enterprises.
How do these compare to the bennies at your shop?

Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid
holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year.
Are
they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to
bankruptcy.

Boy...and you had me going there for a minute.

Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our
business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our
business always goes up in a major election year.
You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is
such a total failure.

The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those
days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as
yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there
in case they're needed.

Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD.

The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's
salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing
an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit
maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to
$10,000 per month.

Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted);

I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was
sold...every
cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near
full-retail, too.

He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a
syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had been a
solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they gave him
great rates.

As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in
my memory,
and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife),
Kennedy,
Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and
participated in
deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important
than who
was giving them blow jobs.

Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except
Bush, and I
worked once for his father.

My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would be
hit by
a mild hurricane. No
one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats sunk.
Preferably early in July.

We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold
clear, a
broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida
lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners
hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary
assignments
they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being
romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid
for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full
years. So,
we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any,
either.
The proceeds were prudently invested.

The PWC was won as
a prize in a raffle.

Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of his
office?
Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?"
Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one or two

"around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These were
sold
as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and run.
Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if he
wanted
it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because my dad's
main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with lots of
manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In
those days,
workers at these places could fix anything.

Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner.
But he still
called bumpers bumpers.
--

Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to
entice him
into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small boat
dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he was the
*exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal county. He
also handled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred to
them
as "jerry-built."

From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard motors a
year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high percentage
of *all*
outboards sold in his home state for those years.

This is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating back to
right after
the Big War. When he died and I was looking through his
warehouse, I found
wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no kidding), a brand-new 1949
Evinrude 8015
50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from Evinrude for
winning some
outboard stock utility or hydroplane race.

I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the shop
as head
mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is still
brand-new. I
have no idea who might own it now.

He also built
boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and
all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and I've
just been an occasional boat owner.

Besides, I worked off and on in the
boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm
knee-deep in boat heritage.

Oh,
and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it
wasn't for
what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam and came
back in body bags.

During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings
for the
Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use
them on
smaller
landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole
Evinrude
himself.
My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie
star or
singer...I forgot which. Maybe both.

Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under your
command? I have.

My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in
winter in
a 22'
boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the
fuel. Got a
"fireboat" welcome in NYC.

Here are some:

Hatteras 43' sportfish
Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop
Morgan 33
O'Day 30
Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
Century Coronado
Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze.
Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers
with various
Evinrudes
Lighting class sailboat
Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat.
Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit)
Alcort Sunfish
Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders.
Guarnteed 60
mph. In the late 1950's.
Skimmar brand skiff
Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider)
Dyer Dhow
Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass
Penn Yan runabouts. Wood.
Old Town wood and canvas canoe
Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe

Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft. Leonard
Wood to
Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About halfway
home it
started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY SINGLE
electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there was a
large
popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught fire. I
pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire, removed my
license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old MGA
is still
there.

Sure was a pretty little car.

Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one
example of
my professional writings on building structure and the effects on
it of
hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any of
these
in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching,
photographing and writing these reports, they were quite accurate,
topical and well-received by their intended audiences.

A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait,
tackle

and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats
were not
used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the
liners that
also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the
hulls. A
guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by
manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same
reasons
-liner and then hull fractures.

Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he
even put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it
was his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't
like nor tolerate misogynists for long.

Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top
stories over the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the
centre of attention, but as with his boat claims & other crap, there's
never once been even a shred of independently verifiable material.

After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most
frightening, I do suspect he's very very dangerous & that this "bride"
story is his delusional appropriation of his, probably court ordered,
treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was under lock & key for
what?? over a year??? a sexual deviant maybe??), have a read of just a
small part of his BS & make up your own mind, it's all about free choice:-)

1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the end of
"bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may.

2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am
entitled to
break them in exercise of my license.

3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands lovingly
referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant.

4. She's 20 years younger than I am.

Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political"
consulting
jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a
couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each of the
races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I
actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a contract
that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride also was
offered a job up here that represented a significant professional
career
move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the rest of
it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well,
really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last summer
and my bride just returned from a business trip there.

I swear this is true.

Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and
hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina,
Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby.

So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the hell did
you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of
water...?"

Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you don't own
a boat?
And why are you so crabby?
Maybe these two factors are related?

One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in
her car
every day, but she doesn't own it.

I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your
wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you
turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it.

No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console
with,
if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in
January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to
the Gulf Stream.

Bride and I caught and released:

1 white marlin
12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish.
Assorted red snappers
1 amberjack
2 jack crevalle jacks
1 snook
Nondescript sharks

Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state
hospital for forensic patients?
Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county facility for
substance abusers?
Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed
facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately
half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol?
Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner
practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are seeking help
for substance abuse problems?

Licensed psychotherapist
Screening as to character and background for each degree earned
On-going screening by faculty while in educational system
Interviews and screenings for required years of internships, plus,
at the same
time, supervision by a licensed professional.
Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed therapist
for two years
of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure
Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by licensed
practitioners
Four hour written examination on state laws
Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and practice

My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final
internship was as a
psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric
hospital where, on a
daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average soldier.

My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed state
mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated numerous
sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Such
"treatment"
is part of being in the mental health professions.

You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hour,
until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners
overcome their
feelings of boatable inadequacy.

She is a licensed, practicing
psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she sees each
day. Which can be taken any way one likes.

1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha know?
And much of
Freud is passe.

My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago.

They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to round-up
Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own
version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade.

1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office.

2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not one of
mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did* belong
to an
after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most
mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were
court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every
call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my wife had
the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone number of
every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the call
tried to block his number.

Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal people,
they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are
planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is
real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and perhaps the
police.

In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has never
received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill patient or
court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of this
newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she received a
number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls. These were
mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them BECAUSE
(duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it.
Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works closely
because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are
investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and*
authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia, California and
Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have been
able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of
course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages. Several
suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the outcome of
all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor are
either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would make
such calls.

The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious
calls came in
from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to trace.
The local
police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when
it was
discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got
involved. At
least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I can
tell, he
has not posted here again

jjp wrote:

And overall air quality:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...olitan/2056693
Number of days in 2000-2002 when air quality was unhealthy

10. Baltimore, Md. 93

I suppose because krause was spewing nearby?

-- Charlie

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The Houston scenario does not fit your agenda, now that it has been refuted?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
jjp wrote:

Messing In Boats wrote in message
...

RESUME of GEORGE W. BUSH

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR:
I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making
Texas the most polluted state in the Union.

This is a misleading statement. There are many different kinds of
pollution, and this implies Texas is highest overall or in all
categories, which it is not.

Indeed, for a couple of days, Bhopal was worse.

Bhopal Industrial Disaster, December 3 1984
by Rajiv Lather

Winter night and all is quiet,
people sleep wrapped in quilts,
unaware of the virulent monster
close by, seething to escape.

Right after midnight it leaks out,
like a gargantuan gray amoeba,
silently floating along the floor,
entering homes thru' windows n doors.

Toxic tentacles touch every one
to burn tissues of eyes and lungs.
Fleeing folks flounder in the dark
and choke on their own fluids.

Doom roams from home to home,
industriously snuffing out life after life.
Poisonous cloud continues to kill,
till thousands die a dreadful death.

Dawn sheds light on a tragic sight;
ill and dead spread here and there.
Green leaves turned to black
and smell of burning chilies hangs in air.

Funeral fires light up the sky,
as flesh after lifeless flesh
is consumed by flames,
seen off by eyes too shocked to cry.

Powers that be let rich culprits flee.
Handicapped survivors, cries of blind
remain behind as relentless reminders
of great deeds achieved by greed.
Copyright @ haryana-online.com & Rajiv Lather

There is no good reason to spread lies and exaggerations about Houston
and Texas in the name of politics.

Texas sucks.

--
Email sent to is never read.

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:45:56 -0600, Messing In Boats wrote:
chickenhawks in our regime. Except for Colin Powell (and they don't even
listen to him) neither Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney or Wolfowitz did anything in
the service when they really had a chance to wear the green.

It could be argued that Rumsfeld is a chickenhawk, as he chose
ROTC at Princeton instead of Korea, but he did serve as a fighter pilot.

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHG...20Chickenhawks

thunder wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:45:56 -0600, Messing In Boats wrote:
chickenhawks in our regime. Except for Colin Powell (and they don't even
listen to him) neither Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney or Wolfowitz did anything in
the service when they really had a chance to wear the green.

It could be argued that Rumsfeld is a chickenhawk, as he chose
ROTC at Princeton instead of Korea, but he did serve as a fighter pilot.

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHG...20Chickenhawks

Whatever...that's why it is so absurd when Bush plays toy soldier. As if
he has *any* understanding of the horrors of warmaking. Or anything else
except, maybe, Bud Lite.

--
Email sent to is never read.

Charles wrote in message ...
basskisser wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Did I miss anything?

Yes; You sorely miss your brain. We miss it too.

-- Charlie

Do you have anything intelligent to interject, or are you just upset
because I can think for myself, therefore, I'm not goose-stepping to
the current administration?

Yes, I do have something to inteject, your brain.

I'm holding back on whether it's intelligent but I'll help you look for
it. When we find it then we'll see if it has any intelligence.

-- Charlie

As I suspected, absolutely NOTHING of anything on topic to interject.
Typical conservative, just a blow hard

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
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Did I miss anything?

Yes. The neurotransmitters between your axons.
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Idiot. You've not given one sentence that opposes, with accuracy,
anything in the original post.

You asked for a difference between Saddam and Bush...and I told you that one
difference is that Saddam would kill you if you were an Iraqi and posted
such a question.

If you don't agree with the answer, then offer a rebuttal. In absence of
such, it becomes obvious that when unable to offer a reasonable response,
you simply revert to name-calling.

So,I take it that you haven't read the newest version of the Patriot Act?

basskisser wrote:

Charles wrote in message ...
basskisser wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Did I miss anything?

Yes; You sorely miss your brain. We miss it too.

-- Charlie

Do you have anything intelligent to interject, or are you just upset
because I can think for myself, therefore, I'm not goose-stepping to
the current administration?

Yes, I do have something to inteject, your brain.

I'm holding back on whether it's intelligent but I'll help you look for
it. When we find it then we'll see if it has any intelligence.

-- Charlie

As I suspected, absolutely NOTHING of anything on topic to interject.
Typical conservative, just a blow hard

"Charles" was garbage in his previous identity here, and remains
garbage. He's been in my bozo bin for years, as have several others.
They don't go away when you ignore them, but there's less bad odor in here.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:brf2et$2jjo4

Whatever...that's why it is so absurd when Bush plays toy soldier. As if
he has *any* understanding of the horrors of warmaking.

As you do, I'm sure, based on your experiences.

John Gaquin wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:brf2et$2jjo4

Whatever...that's why it is so absurd when Bush plays toy soldier. As if
he has *any* understanding of the horrors of warmaking.

As you do, I'm sure, based on your experiences.

As a matter of fact, I do. I know quite a bit, first-hand, about the
horrors of warmaking, and I didn't get that knowledge being bounced out
of bars in Texas while I was AWOL from the Air National Guard.

Bush is crap.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message

As a matter of fact, I do. I know quite a bit, first-hand,

You've made such representations before, but when asked to clarify or
confirm, became ominously evasive. IIRC, the only substantive statement you
made was that you *...served your country in time of war...*, which, of
course, could mean a great deal or nothing. Unfortunately, your credibility
is not enhanced by such things.

John Gaquin wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

As a matter of fact, I do. I know quite a bit, first-hand,

You've made such representations before, but when asked to clarify or
confirm, became ominously evasive. IIRC, the only substantive statement you
made was that you *...served your country in time of war...*, which, of
course, could mean a great deal or nothing. Unfortunately, your credibility
is not enhanced by such things.

I see no reason to go into gory details. I have previously stated I was
a civilian employee of the U.S. Government, I was in SE Asia during the
"Vietnam War," I saw some horrid sights directly related to that war and
no, I was NOT in the CIA. And just to help you along in your quest, I
worked for an Air Force general.

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Harry Krause wrote:

I see no reason to go into gory details. I have previously stated I was
a civilian employee of the U.S. Government, I was in SE Asia during the
"Vietnam War," I saw some horrid sights directly related to that war and
no, I was NOT in the CIA. And just to help you along in your quest, I
worked for an Air Force general.

Here we go with the bull**** again.

Ya notice, never any direct information from this ass? Just a dribble of
"information" here and there, as he pieces together a lie.

-- Charlie

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Harry Krause wrote:

"Charles" was garbage in his previous identity here, and remains
garbage. He's been in my bozo bin for years, as have several others.
They don't go away when you ignore them, but there's less bad odor in here.

To be esteemed as "garbage" by you is indeed an honor.

Problem is, I haven't been here for "years", but that's ok, just more of
your on-the-fly horse****.

-- Charlie

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basskisser wrote:

As I suspected, absolutely NOTHING of anything on topic to interject.
Typical conservative, just a blow hard

I'm not a conservative but since you lack a brain your mistake is understandable.

-- Charlie

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But Old Harry sure does that know why our great Fuhrer bush is the worst
thing to come along since the plague, and I think that could even be argued.

Ron Livingstone, mayor of London, recently said, "I actually believe
that he (president bush) is the greatest living threat to life on our
planet." I couldn't have put it better myself.

Think about it: the Iraqi invasion, the environment, our loss of respect
in the world community, our economy (as if the US economy really is the
only thing that's important in the world), human rights, AIDS, ...

This guy really does go off the charts when it comes to disaster.

"jps" wrote in message

You've got to work on your ranting skills. I'd like you to quote from my
post where I said killing Iraqi kids was OK. My only point in the whole
thread is that these people are known to have planted shields in the past,
and that fact impacts on their credibility in the present. Nothing in that
premise condones the killing of kids.

Charles wrote in message ...
basskisser wrote:

As I suspected, absolutely NOTHING of anything on topic to interject.
Typical conservative, just a blow hard

I'm not a conservative but since you lack a brain your mistake is understandable.

-- Charlie
BWAAAHAAA!! Now THAT'S a good one!!!!