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Gould 0738 September 20th 04 05:27 PM

OT Draft legislation
 
So what. Every country in the World is dependent upon a strong
America...both economically and militarily. They're own self-preservation
instincts will bring 'em around sooner or later.


When you find yourself at increased risk as the result of support for somebody
who is treating you like manure, the common
solution is unlikely to be *increasing* support.

The US has some major fence mending to do with the rest of the world,
regardless of the outcome in November.

Gould 0738 September 20th 04 06:39 PM

But you claim that Bush is treating America like manure. So why are his
poll numbers sky-rocketing?


Because the Bush campaign spent more money "defining" Kerry than Kerry could
spend getting his message out so far.

An incumbent doesn't have to utterly destroy the competition, merely create
enough fear and doubt that the people will stick with the devil they know over
the devil they don't.



Tamaroak September 20th 04 06:50 PM

I'm sure Hitler's poll numbers were pretty high at this point in his
administration, too. Just because his electorate was stupid enough to
swallow the rhetoric didn't necessarily make his view of the world the
right, one did it? Or did it.....

Capt. Jeff


Harry Krause September 20th 04 07:05 PM

NOYB wrote:
"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
So what. Every country in the World is dependent upon a strong
America...both economically and militarily. They're own

self-preservation
instincts will bring 'em around sooner or later.


When you find yourself at increased risk as the result of support for

somebody
who is treating you like manure, the common
solution is unlikely to be *increasing* support.


But you claim that Bush is treating America like manure. So why are his
poll numbers sky-rocketing?


Because Americans like simple answers to complicated problems, even if
the answers are wrong. For them to be otherwise would mean they'd have
to face the horrible reality, and that is this: our military might ain't
gonna resolve Islamist terrorism for us.





--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?

Harry Krause September 20th 04 07:09 PM

Tamaroak wrote:
I'm sure Hitler's poll numbers were pretty high at this point in his
administration, too. Just because his electorate was stupid enough to
swallow the rhetoric didn't necessarily make his view of the world the
right, one did it? Or did it.....

Capt. Jeff



Hitler was smarter than Bush, and a better speaker, too. While Bush
isn't the monster Hitler was...he's working on it.

--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?

NOYB September 20th 04 09:44 PM


"Tamaroak" wrote in message
...
I'm sure Hitler's poll numbers were pretty high at this point in his
administration, too. Just because his electorate was stupid enough to
swallow the rhetoric didn't necessarily make his view of the world the
right, one did it? Or did it.....


I've never seen an historical account where it was claimed that Germany was
attacked by the Jews...or the French...or the Poles. Were they?



NOYB September 20th 04 09:45 PM


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Tamaroak wrote:
I'm sure Hitler's poll numbers were pretty high at this point in his
administration, too. Just because his electorate was stupid enough to
swallow the rhetoric didn't necessarily make his view of the world the
right, one did it? Or did it.....

Capt. Jeff



Hitler was smarter than Bush, and a better speaker, too.


More proof that where Hitler wowed 'em with style, Bush prefers to wow 'em
with substance.



NOYB September 20th 04 09:51 PM


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
So what. Every country in the World is dependent upon a strong
America...both economically and militarily. They're own

self-preservation
instincts will bring 'em around sooner or later.

When you find yourself at increased risk as the result of support for

somebody
who is treating you like manure, the common
solution is unlikely to be *increasing* support.


But you claim that Bush is treating America like manure. So why are his
poll numbers sky-rocketing?


Because Americans like simple answers to complicated problems, even if
the answers are wrong. For them to be otherwise would mean they'd have
to face the horrible reality, and that is this: our military might ain't
gonna resolve Islamist terrorism for us.


I figured that the horrible reality was that we would have to become what we
despise: cold-blooded, calculated killers willing to use any *AND ALL*
weapons at our disposal...just like the terrorists. I don't favor the use
of nukes...but the message needs to be sent that they will remain an option
if the killing of our troops continues to escalate. A war against the US
cannot be won.

Is it more humane to kill 100's per day times thousands of days...or doom
the same number of people in a matter of seconds? And which one has more
shock appeal to subdue the enemy by exhausting his will to fight? I know
how FDR chose to answer those questions.






Harry Krause September 20th 04 10:01 PM

Curtis CCR wrote:
You think the author of this bill really wants a draft? Charlie
Rangel??? How about the co-sponsors? Sheila Jackson-Lee and Pete
Stark want a draft?



I think a draft that does not exclude rich, white kids would be
delightful. It certainly would bring an end to unjustified militarism on
our part.

--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?

Harry Krause September 20th 04 10:02 PM

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Tamaroak wrote:
I'm sure Hitler's poll numbers were pretty high at this point in his
administration, too. Just because his electorate was stupid enough to
swallow the rhetoric didn't necessarily make his view of the world the
right, one did it? Or did it.....

Capt. Jeff



Hitler was smarter than Bush, and a better speaker, too.


More proof that where Hitler wowed 'em with style, Bush prefers to wow 'em
with substance.


Oh? Did Bush buy some substance somewhere?

--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?


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