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Pearl Harbor Day

A day that *will* live in infamy.

Pearl Harbor Day

Are you implying that a certain other day *won't* live in infamy?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
A day that *will* live in infamy.

Pearl Harbor Day

NOYB wrote:

Are you implying that a certain other day *won't* live in infamy?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
A day that *will* live in infamy.

Yes, we'll always remember the day Bush's controllers stole the
presidential election.

And 9-11, too, of course. A possible result of Bush's election-stealing.

--
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Pearl Harbor Day

Harry Krause wrote:

Yes, we'll always remember the day Bush's controllers stole the
presidential election.

And 9-11, too, of course. A possible result of Bush's election-stealing.

Your priority here shows what a scumbag you truly are. Things as banal
as politics rates higher than human life in your twisted, sick, sexist mind.

Pardon me while I scrape you off my shoe, dog****.

-- Charlie

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you can be damn glad that al snore did not win
"Charles" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:

Yes, we'll always remember the day Bush's controllers
stole the
presidential election.

And 9-11, too, of course. A possible result of Bush's
election-stealing.

Your priority here shows what a scumbag you truly are.
Things as banal
as politics rates higher than human life in your twisted,
sick, sexist mind.

Pardon me while I scrape you off my shoe, dog****.

-- Charlie

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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 10:56:13 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

NOYB wrote:

Are you implying that a certain other day *won't* live in infamy?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
A day that *will* live in infamy.

Yes, we'll always remember the day Bush's controllers stole the
presidential election.

You may remeber that day as long as you live. But for most Americans,
it's already forgotton. To tell you the truth, I don't even remember
what date you're referring to, and not just because it didn't happen.
Not so with 12/7 and 9/11.

Steve

Pearl Harbor Day

Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:

Are you implying that a certain other day *won't* live in infamy?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...

A day that *will* live in infamy.

Yes, we'll always remember the day Bush's controllers stole the
presidential election.

Sad delusional lying lefty, no brains.

What an embarrassment for the Dems, the majority of which are good well
meaning people; to have the Harrys of this world trailing along behind
hoping for the occasional freeby.

The election outcome was all in accord with the law & courts at the
time, sorry that's democracy at work, but the lefties only like "their"
version of democracy; the one that just happens to make them win.

And 9-11, too, of course. A possible result of Bush's election-stealing.

To "blame" the Pres who has done such a marvelous job of not just
protecting you blokes, but the whole free western world after 911, is a
disgrace.

Harry & the other OT lying lefty grubs would gladly sacrifice citizens'
lives if they could get their sticky little paws on hard working tax
payers' money via Govt. handouts again.

Truly sorry you suffered Pearl Harbour & 911; if it can ever be said
that anything good came from these tragedies, it's that you then made
the world a better place for all, on both occasions & thanks from the
rest of us, who shelter under your umbrella that you pay for.

K

Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old memories:-)

I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer
for my

staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.

I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and business
booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a
production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the state of
the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat Republicrap
candidates.

I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer
for my

staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.

We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health
insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k,
and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a
share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees
pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but
that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks
vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In
addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on
Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days
of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering
pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees.
Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of
course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are
not-for-profit enterprises.
How do these compare to the bennies at your shop?

Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid
holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year.
Are
they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to
bankruptcy.

Boy...and you had me going there for a minute.

Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our
business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our
business always goes up in a major election year.
You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is
such a total failure.

The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those
days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as
yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there
in case they're needed.

Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD.

The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's
salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing
an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit
maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to
$10,000 per month.

Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted);

I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was
sold...every
cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near
full-retail, too.

He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a
syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had been a
solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they gave him
great rates.

As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in
my memory,
and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife),
Kennedy,
Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and
participated in
deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important
than who
was giving them blow jobs.

Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except
Bush, and I
worked once for his father.

My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would be
hit by
a mild hurricane. No
one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats sunk.
Preferably early in July.

We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold
clear, a
broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida
lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners
hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary
assignments
they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being
romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid
for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full
years. So,
we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any,
either.
The proceeds were prudently invested.

The PWC was won as
a prize in a raffle.

Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of his
office?
Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?"
Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one or two

"around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These were
sold
as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and run.
Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if he
wanted
it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because my dad's
main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with lots of
manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In
those days,
workers at these places could fix anything.

Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner.
But he still
called bumpers bumpers.
--

Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to
entice him
into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small boat
dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he was the
*exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal county. He
also handled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred to
them
as "jerry-built."

From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard motors a
year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high percentage
of *all*
outboards sold in his home state for those years.

This is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating back to
right after
the Big War. When he died and I was looking through his
warehouse, I found
wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no kidding), a brand-new 1949
Evinrude 8015
50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from Evinrude for
winning some
outboard stock utility or hydroplane race.

I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the shop
as head
mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is still
brand-new. I
have no idea who might own it now.

He also built
boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and
all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and I've
just been an occasional boat owner.

Besides, I worked off and on in the
boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm
knee-deep in boat heritage.

Oh,
and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it
wasn't for
what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam and came
back in body bags.

During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings
for the
Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use
them on
smaller
landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole
Evinrude
himself.
My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie
star or
singer...I forgot which. Maybe both.

Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under your
command? I have.

My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in
winter in
a 22'
boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the
fuel. Got a
"fireboat" welcome in NYC.

Here are some:

Hatteras 43' sportfish
Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop
Morgan 33
O'Day 30
Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
Century Coronado
Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze.
Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers
with various
Evinrudes
Lighting class sailboat
Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat.
Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit)
Alcort Sunfish
Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders.
Guaranteed 60
mph. In the late 1950's.
Skimmar brand skiff
Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider)
Dyer Dhow
Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass
Penn Yan runabouts. Wood.
Old Town wood and canvas canoe
Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe

Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft. Leonard
Wood to
Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About halfway
home it
started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY SINGLE
electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there was a
large
popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught fire. I
pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire, removed my
license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old MGA
is still
there.

Sure was a pretty little car.

Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one
example of
my professional writings on building structure and the effects on
it of
hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any of
these
in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching,
photographing and writing these reports, they were quite accurate,
topical and well-received by their intended audiences.

A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait,
tackle

and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats
were not
used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the
liners that
also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the
hulls. A
guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by
manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same
reasons
-liner and then hull fractures.

Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he
even put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it
was his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't
like nor tolerate misogynists for long.

Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top
stories over the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the
centre of attention, but as with his boat claims & other crap, there's
never once been even a shred of independently verifiable material.

After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most
frightening, I do suspect he's very very dangerous & that this "bride"
story is his delusional appropriation of his, probably court ordered,
treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was under lock & key for
what?? over a year??? a sexual deviant maybe??), have a read of just a
small part of his BS & make up your own mind, it's all about free choice:-)

1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the end of
"bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may.

2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am
entitled to
break them in exercise of my license.

3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands lovingly
referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant.

4. She's 20 years younger than I am.

Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political"
consulting
jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a
couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each of the
races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I
actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a contract
that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride also was
offered a job up here that represented a significant professional
career
move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the rest of
it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well,
really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last summer
and my bride just returned from a business trip there.

I swear this is true.

Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and
hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina,
Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby.

So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the hell did
you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of
water...?"

Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you don't own
a boat?
And why are you so crabby?
Maybe these two factors are related?

One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in
her car
every day, but she doesn't own it.

I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your
wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you
turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it.

No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console
with,
if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in
January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to
the Gulf Stream.

Bride and I caught and released:

1 white marlin
12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish.
Assorted red snappers
1 amberjack
2 jack crevalle jacks
1 snook
Nondescript sharks

Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state
hospital for forensic patients?
Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county facility for
substance abusers?
Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed
facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately
half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol?
Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner
practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are seeking help
for substance abuse problems?

Licensed psychotherapist
Screening as to character and background for each degree earned
On-going screening by faculty while in educational system
Interviews and screenings for required years of internships, plus,
at the same
time, supervision by a licensed professional.
Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed therapist
for two years
of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure
Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by licensed
practitioners
Four hour written examination on state laws
Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and practice

My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final
internship was as a
psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric
hospital where, on a
daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average soldier.

My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed state
mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated numerous
sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Such
"treatment"
is part of being in the mental health professions.

You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hour,
until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners
overcome their
feelings of boatable inadequacy.

She is a licensed, practicing
psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she sees each
day. Which can be taken any way one likes.

1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha know?
And much of
Freud is passe.

My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago.

They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to round-up
Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own
version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade.

1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office.

2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not one of
mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did* belong
to an
after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most
mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were
court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every
call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my wife had
the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone number of
every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the call
tried to block his number.

Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal people,
they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are
planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is
real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and perhaps the
police.

In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has never
received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill patient or
court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of this
newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she received a
number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls. These were
mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them BECAUSE
(duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it.
Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works closely
because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are
investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and*
authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia, California and
Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have been
able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of
course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages. Several
suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the outcome of
all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor are
either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would make
such calls.

The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious
calls came in
from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to trace.
The local
police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when
it was
discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got
involved. At
least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I can
tell, he
has not posted here again

Pearl Harbor Day

Gould 0738 wrote:

A day that *will* live in infamy.

Thanks for remembering.

In an airport lobby a couple of years ago, I saw an elderly man
wearing a USS Oklahoma ball cap. He was traveling with a younger
couple, and at one point I asked them if he was on the USS Oklahoma
during WW2. Turned out the young lady was his daughter, and he was a
Pearl Harbor vet who was rescued from the hulk of the USS Oklahoma. He
told me a little about his experiences. It's important to listen to
and to honor those men.

Regards
Doug King

Pearl Harbor Day

We're beginning to run out of living reminders of WWII. A kid just old enough
to enlist in 1941 would be in his early 80's today. Most of the officers who
served in WWII as young men in their mid-20's or 30's are gone, as are probably
all the senior officers and commanders. My father in law was a freshly coined
Navy Lt. He's still among us at 87, but sadly enough most of his lifelong
friends have passed on.

In yesterday's paper, there was in item that speculated there are probably no
more than a few dozen WWI veterans still living, and all are presumbly over
100.

Pearl Harbor was the beginning of the last
military engagement where the United States declared war. I guess that's a
formality nobody (at all) bothers to engage in these days. Sort of like an act
of chivalry. "Be warned! We're coming to get you!" rather than "Be surprised!
We're here!"

Pearl Harbor Day

K Smith wrote in message ...
Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:

Are you implying that a certain other day *won't* live in infamy?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...

A day that *will* live in infamy.

Yes, we'll always remember the day Bush's controllers stole the
presidential election.

Sad delusional lying lefty, no brains.

What an embarrassment for the Dems, the majority of which are good well
meaning people; to have the Harrys of this world trailing along behind
hoping for the occasional freeby.

The election outcome was all in accord with the law & courts at the
time, sorry that's democracy at work, but the lefties only like "their"
version of democracy; the one that just happens to make them win.

Shows how stupid you are when it comes to U.S. law. There was
precedent set, things that had NEVER happened before. No one knew how
to handle the things that happened. So, it was left up to mostly
republicans, GWB's brother Jeb, his goose-stepping Ms. Harris, and
others. Gee, guess which way that little deal swung?

Pearl Harbor Day

"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
K Smith wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:

Are you implying that a certain other day *won't* live in infamy?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...

A day that *will* live in infamy.

Yes, we'll always remember the day Bush's controllers stole the
presidential election.

Sad delusional lying lefty, no brains.

What an embarrassment for the Dems, the majority of which are good well
meaning people; to have the Harrys of this world trailing along behind
hoping for the occasional freeby.

The election outcome was all in accord with the law & courts at the
time, sorry that's democracy at work, but the lefties only like "their"
version of democracy; the one that just happens to make them win.

Shows how stupid you are when it comes to U.S. law. There was
precedent set, things that had NEVER happened before. No one knew how
to handle the things that happened. So, it was left up to mostly
republicans, GWB's brother Jeb, his goose-stepping Ms. Harris, and
others. Gee, guess which way that little deal swung?

You are the stupid one. As the US Supreme's pointed out. YOu can not
change the laws after the fact. The laws that were in place as of the
election are hte laws that count.

Pearl Harbor Day

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
We're beginning to run out of living reminders of WWII. A kid just old
enough
to enlist in 1941 would be in his early 80's today. Most of the officers
who
served in WWII as young men in their mid-20's or 30's are gone, as are
probably
all the senior officers and commanders. My father in law was a freshly
coined
Navy Lt. He's still among us at 87, but sadly enough most of his lifelong
friends have passed on.

In yesterday's paper, there was in item that speculated there are probably
no
more than a few dozen WWI veterans still living, and all are presumbly
over
100.

Pearl Harbor was the beginning of the last
military engagement where the United States declared war. I guess that's a
formality nobody (at all) bothers to engage in these days. Sort of like an
act
of chivalry. "Be warned! We're coming to get you!" rather than "Be
surprised!
We're here!"

I dunno....GWB sort of waved his dick around like a drunk in a bar for a
year beforehand. Does that fall somewhere in between the two styles you
mention? :-)

Pearl Harbor Day

basskisser wrote:
K Smith wrote in message ...

Harry Krause wrote:

NOYB wrote:

Are you implying that a certain other day *won't* live in infamy?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...

A day that *will* live in infamy.

Yes, we'll always remember the day Bush's controllers stole the
presidential election.

Sad delusional lying lefty, no brains.

What an embarrassment for the Dems, the majority of which are good well
meaning people; to have the Harrys of this world trailing along behind
hoping for the occasional freeby.

The election outcome was all in accord with the law & courts at the
time, sorry that's democracy at work, but the lefties only like "their"
version of democracy; the one that just happens to make them win.

Shows how stupid you are when it comes to U.S. law. There was
precedent set, things that had NEVER happened before. No one knew how
to handle the things that happened.

We use the same legal system as you so don't imagine I have "no" clue.
Every day precedent is "set". Do you really think the courts are there
only to look up what happened last time??? (gee we could save lots of
money were it really that simple:-)) Of course not, they take each case
on it's merits & then in their own judgment they apply whatever
precendents they think can assist. When multiple judges are involved
usually if there's dissent both sides quote copius amounts of
"precedent" that backs their judgment in that particular case.

Doesn't mean one or other judge is bent, stupid or that the seemingly
at loggerheads precedents they quote are wrong either, none of that;
it's the system at work in the normal manner nothing more.

The settlement of the election result in Florida was totally ordinary,
judges assessed the facts & made their judgments, the next court up had
the chance to review their decisions & were happy with them. Happens
every day & every day the losers (your side this time) winge about it.

What was different was that your side even tried it on!!! The
democratic system is reliant upon the losers (that's you again:-)),
doing the right thing & conceding as they should & then encouraging
their supporters to accept the outcome, of course your side are just a
grab for power to take other peoples money & give it to your supporters,
theft not much more. So you deliberately tried to make the Pres of the
most powerful country on earth a question mark?? Shame on the lot of ya.

There were no "real" constitutional issues other than the bleatings of
a desperate attempt by the left to seize power as they do in lots of
other places around the world, what saved the US was a free, brave,
independent judiciary & you should be thankful for it.

So, it was left up to mostly
republicans, GWB's brother Jeb, his goose-stepping Ms. Harris, and
others. Gee, guess which way that little deal swung?

Amazing stuff it really is, the "Courts" made the final decision & I
agree always that no system is bullet proof perfect but yours is the
best the world has devised so far & that's it; end of game, you lost.

K

Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old memories:-)

I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer for my

staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.

I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and business
booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a
production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the state of
the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat Republicrap
candidates.

I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer for my

staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.

We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health
insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k,
and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a
share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees
pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but
that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks
vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In
addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on
Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days
of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering
pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees.
Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of
course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are
not-for-profit enterprises.
How do these compare to the bennies at your shop?

Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid
holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year. Are
they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to
bankruptcy.

Boy...and you had me going there for a minute.

Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our
business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our
business always goes up in a major election year.
You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is
such a total failure.

The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those
days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as
yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there
in case they're needed.

Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD.

The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's
salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing
an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit
maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to
$10,000 per month.

Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted);

I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was
sold...every
cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near
full-retail, too.

He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a
syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had been a
solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they gave him
great rates.

As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my memory,
and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy,
Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in
deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important than who
was giving them blow jobs.

Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush, and I
worked once for his father.

My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would be hit by
a mild hurricane. No
one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats sunk.
Preferably early in July.

We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold clear, a
broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida
lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners
hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary assignments
they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being
romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid
for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full years. So,
we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any, either.
The proceeds were prudently invested.

The PWC was won as
a prize in a raffle.

Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of his office?
Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?"
Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one or two

"around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These were sold
as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and run.
Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if he wanted
it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because my dad's
main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with lots of
manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In those days,
workers at these places could fix anything.

Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner. But he still
called bumpers bumpers.
--

Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to entice him
into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small boat
dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he was the
*exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal county. He
also handled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred to them
as "jerry-built."

From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard motors a
year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high percentage of *all*
outboards sold in his home state for those years.

This is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating back to
right after
the Big War. When he died and I was looking through his warehouse, I found
wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no kidding), a brand-new 1949
Evinrude 8015
50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from Evinrude for
winning some
outboard stock utility or hydroplane race.

I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the shop as head
mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is still
brand-new. I
have no idea who might own it now.

He also built
boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and
all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and I've
just been an occasional boat owner.

Besides, I worked off and on in the
boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm
knee-deep in boat heritage.

Oh,
and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it wasn't for
what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam and came
back in body bags.

During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings
for the
Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use them on
smaller
landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole Evinrude
himself.
My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie star or
singer...I forgot which. Maybe both.

Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat under you
command? I have.

My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in winter in
a 22'
boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the fuel. Got a
"fireboat" welcome in NYC.

Here are some:

Hatteras 43' sportfish
Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop
Morgan 33
O'Day 30
Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
Century Coronado
Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze.
Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers with various
Evinrudes
Lighting class sailboat
Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat.
Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit)
Alcort Sunfish
Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders.
Guaranteed 60
mph. In the late 1950's.
Skimmar brand skiff
Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider)
Dyer Dhow
Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass
Penn Yan runabouts. Wood.
Old Town wood and canvas canoe
Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe

Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft. Leonard Wood to
Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About halfway home it
started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY SINGLE
electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there was a large
popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught fire. I
pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire, removed my
license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old MGA is still
there.

Sure was a pretty little car.

Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one example of
my professional writings on building structure and the effects on it of
hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any of these
in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching,
photographing and writing these reports, they were quite accurate,
topical and well-received by their intended audiences.

A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait, tackle

and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats were not
used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the liners that
also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the hulls. A
guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by
manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same reasons
-liner and then hull fractures.

Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he even put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it was his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't like nor tolerate misogynists for long.

Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top stories over the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the centre of attention, but as with his boat claims & other crap, there's never once been even a shred of independently verifiable material.

After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most frightening, I do suspect he's very very dangerous & that this "bride" story is his delusional appropriation of his, probably court ordered, treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was under lock & key for what?? over a year??? a sexual deviant maybe??), have a read of just a small part of his BS & make up your own mind, it's all about free choice:-)

1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the end of
"bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may.

2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am entitled to
break them in exercise of my license.

3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands lovingly
referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant.

4. She's 20 years younger than I am.

Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political" consulting
jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a
couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each of the
races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I
actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a contract
that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride also was
offered a job up here that represented a significant professional career
move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the rest of
it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well,
really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last summer
and my bride just returned from a business trip there.

I swear this is true.

Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and
hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina,
Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby.

So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the hell did
you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of
water...?"

Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you don't own
a boat?
And why are you so crabby?
Maybe these two factors are related?

One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in her car
every day, but she doesn't own it.

I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your
wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you
turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it.

No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console with,
if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in
January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to
the Gulf Stream.

Bride and I caught and released:

1 white marlin
12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish.
Assorted red snappers
1 amberjack
2 jack crevalle jacks
1 snook
Nondescript sharks

Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state
hospital for forensic patients?
Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county facility for
substance abusers?
Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed
facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately
half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol?
Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner
practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are seeking help
for substance abuse problems?

Licensed psychotherapist
Screening as to character and background for each degree earned
On-going screening by faculty while in educational system
Interviews and screenings for required years of internships, plus, at the same
time, supervision by a licensed professional.
Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed therapist for two years
of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure
Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by licensed
practitioners
Four hour written examination on state laws
Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and practice

My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final internship was as a
psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric hospital where, on a
daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average soldier.

My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed state
mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated numerous
sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Such "treatment"
is part of being in the mental health professions.

You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hour,
until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners overcome their
feelings of boatable inadequacy.

She is a licensed, practicing
psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she sees each
day. Which can be taken any way one likes.

1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha know? And much of
Freud is passe.

My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago.

They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to round-up
Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own
version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade.

1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office.

2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not one of
mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did* belong to an
after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most
mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were
court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every
call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my wife had
the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone number of
every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the call
tried to block his number.

Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal people,
they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are
planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is
real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and perhaps the
police.

In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has never
received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill patient or
court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of this
newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she received a
number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls. These were
mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them BECAUSE
(duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it.
Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works closely
because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are
investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and*
authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia, California and
Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have been
able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of
course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages. Several
suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the outcome of
all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor are
either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would make
such calls.

The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious calls came in
from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to trace. The local
police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when it was
discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got involved. At
least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I can tell, he
has not posted here again

Pearl Harbor Day

K Smith wrote in message ...
basskisser wrote:
K Smith wrote in message ...

Harry Krause wrote:

NOYB wrote:

Are you implying that a certain other day *won't* live in infamy?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...

A day that *will* live in infamy.

Yes, we'll always remember the day Bush's controllers stole the
presidential election.

Sad delusional lying lefty, no brains.

What an embarrassment for the Dems, the majority of which are good well
meaning people; to have the Harrys of this world trailing along behind
hoping for the occasional freeby.

The election outcome was all in accord with the law & courts at the
time, sorry that's democracy at work, but the lefties only like "their"
version of democracy; the one that just happens to make them win.

Shows how stupid you are when it comes to U.S. law. There was
precedent set, things that had NEVER happened before. No one knew how
to handle the things that happened.

We use the same legal system as you so don't imagine I have "no" clue.

You do? I did not know that. I thought you people had a free and
independant society there, I didn't know that you used our laws, our
federal judges, our Sec. of State. I thought you had your own......

Doesn't mean one or other judge is bent, stupid or that the seemingly
at loggerheads precedents they quote are wrong either, none of that;
it's the system at work in the normal manner nothing more.

The settlement of the election result in Florida was totally ordinary

Please show where this was "ordinary"? It was the first and ONLY time
that has ever happened, how can it be "ordinary"?

What was different was that your side even tried it on!!! The
democratic system is reliant upon the losers (that's you again:-)),
doing the right thing & conceding as they should & then encouraging
their supporters to accept the outcome, of course your side are just a
grab for power to take other peoples money & give it to your supporters,
theft not much more. So you deliberately tried to make the Pres of the
most powerful country on earth a question mark?? Shame on the lot of ya.

Shame on us for wanting the person voted president to be in office, as
opposed to the one that IS?

There were no "real" constitutional issues other than the bleatings of
a desperate attempt by the left to seize power as they do in lots of
other places around the world, what saved the US was a free, brave,
independent judiciary & you should be thankful for it.

It was a damned one sided affair, and you are too dumb to see that.

So, it was left up to mostly
republicans, GWB's brother Jeb, his goose-stepping Ms. Harris, and
others. Gee, guess which way that little deal swung?

Amazing stuff it really is, the "Courts" made the final decision & I
agree always that no system is bullet proof perfect but yours is the
best the world has devised so far & that's it; end of game, you lost.

K

Wow, you really ARE stupid, huh? So, you think that, just because the
"courts" made a final decision, that we should all goose-step to the
verdict? Makes one wonder just what that pesky appeals process is for,
huh?

Pearl Harbor Day

"basskisser" wrote in message Wow, you really ARE
stupid, huh? So, you think that, just because the
"courts" made a final decision, that we should all goose-step to the
verdict? Makes one wonder just what that pesky appeals process is for,
huh?

Pearl Harbor Day

What court do you use when you appeal the Supreme Courts decision?

"basskisser" wrote in message Wow, you really ARE
stupid, huh? So, you think that, just because the
"courts" made a final decision, that we should all goose-step to the
verdict? Makes one wonder just what that pesky appeals process is for,
huh?

Pearl Harbor Day

DSK wrote:

Gould 0738 wrote:

A day that *will* live in infamy.

Thanks for remembering.

In an airport lobby a couple of years ago, I saw an elderly man
wearing a USS Oklahoma ball cap. He was traveling with a younger
couple, and at one point I asked them if he was on the USS Oklahoma
during WW2. Turned out the young lady was his daughter, and he was a
Pearl Harbor vet who was rescued from the hulk of the USS Oklahoma. He
told me a little about his experiences. It's important to listen to
and to honor those men.

Regards
Doug King

Hats off to those who defended Pearl and those who have served since.

Capt Jack R..

Pearl Harbor Day

Gould 0738 wrote:

We're beginning to run out of living reminders of WWII. A kid just old enough
to enlist in 1941 would be in his early 80's today. Most of the officers who
served in WWII as young men in their mid-20's or 30's are gone, as are probably
all the senior officers and commanders. My father in law was a freshly coined
Navy Lt. He's still among us at 87, but sadly enough most of his lifelong
friends have passed on.

In yesterday's paper, there was in item that speculated there are probably no
more than a few dozen WWI veterans still living, and all are presumbly over
100.

Pearl Harbor was the beginning of the last
military engagement where the United States declared war. I guess that's a
formality nobody (at all) bothers to engage in these days. Sort of like an act
of chivalry. "Be warned! We're coming to get you!" rather than "Be surprised!
We're here!"

Thanks for the story Chuck:

I spent two trips to my home town of St.Louis this summer. One to lay my
father (Paw) to rest as cancer claimed him. (there were other trips to
help out of course with his care) And the other to go to my Grandmaw's
100 birthday party, who recalls WWI and WWII very well.

Who knows how many VETS are still around, But there are those who
remember, and remember it well WWI and WWII. Grandmaw is as sharp as a tack.

My father-in-law (I never met him) Worked on B17 on the Eastern theater,
we are thankfull to have several item of his as from his service well.

My old hunting buddy in Missouri father server in subs. He has passed on
as well.

All we can do is remember why they served and what they did to try to
ensure that we have the rights and freedoms we now should cherish.

Pearl Harbor was one of our darkest days, but that day and those that
followed were some of our greatest..

Capt Jack R..

Pearl Harbor Day

"Jack Meholf" wrote in message news:bsoBb.484612$Tr4.1329517@attbi_s03...
What court do you use when you appeal the Supreme Courts decision?

"basskisser" wrote in message Wow, you really ARE
stupid, huh? So, you think that, just because the
"courts" made a final decision, that we should all goose-step to the
verdict? Makes one wonder just what that pesky appeals process is for,
huh?

That would be the Supreme Court.

Pearl Harbor Day

"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:ql3Bb.4135
You are the stupid one. As the US Supreme's pointed out. YOu can not
change the laws after the fact. The laws that were in place as of the
election are hte laws that count.

Oh, really? I guess you really don't have a clue what went on in
Florida. The right certainly, and undeniably changed law, through
precedent. Their "interpretation" was so wildly atrocious that it
certainly changed the law, by precedent.

Pearl Harbor Day

So the point of me asking you about the appeal process seemed to go
completely over your head so I will try to type slower.

Why hasn't anyone filed an appeal on that decision?

The reason is because the Supreme Court and the exact same justices would
not overturn their own decision during the 4 years period of the presidency,
nor would they even bother to agree to hear the case.

So what was your point when you stated " So, you think that, just because
the
"courts" made a final decision, that we should all goose-step to the
verdict? Makes one wonder just what that pesky appeals process is for,
huh?"

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Jack Meholf" wrote in message
news:bsoBb.484612$Tr4.1329517@attbi_s03...
What court do you use when you appeal the Supreme Courts decision?

"basskisser" wrote in message Wow, you really ARE
stupid, huh? That would be the Supreme Court.

Pearl Harbor Day

"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net...
I had heard the light was originally a beacon for guiding ships into the
bay. They could see it out many miles. 300 or so sticks in my mind.
Looked out, but with the weather, did not see it from my house in
Pleasanton.
Bill

It was one of hundreds of beacons all over the country used by
aircraft. I think there were 20 or more just in CA. This one was
installed by Standard Oil in 1928. I don't think they were importing
oil into the bay by ship in 1928, but they were using airplanes. If I
recall some of what I have read correctly, Charles Lindburgh threw the
switch to turn it on when it was first commissioned.

While some of the 'histories' of the one on Mt. Diablo mention that
it was for aircraft and ships, I don't think it was a primary nav aid
for ships. At least that isn't why it was put there. Ships could
probably use it make sure that were headed in the right general
direction. But it's what 30+ miles inland from the Golden Gate, and
several miles from any navigable water?

When we got home Sunday, we couldn't see it from our house in Concord
either. The overcast was still shrouding the summit. A couple of
years ago the overcast was just barely above the summit, and the
bright beam lit up the bottom of the cloud cover for probably a half
mile or so. The beam moving around along the bottom of clouds looked
really cool.

"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
om...
(Curtis CCR) wrote in message
. com...
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My wife and I attended a Pearl Harbor cermony last night at the summit
of Mt. Diablo (Northern CA). There were 100 or so people there. One
of the speakers mentioned that the membership in the local chapter of
the Pearl Harbor Survivors Association (I don't recall if that is the
actual name of the organization) was less than half what it was when
they started holding the cermony about 40 years ago. And judging by
the appearance of the survivors that were introduced, I'd say that we
are very close to losing all the living links we have to that event.
(These are military people... I am sure there are those among us that
were even younger civilians that witnessed the attack).

The ceremony was for the annual beacon lighting.

The bright white, rotating beacon was placed on Mt. Diablo in 1928 as
an aid to naviagtion for aircraft. It was turned off, with numerous
other beacons on the west coast, after Pearl Harbor for fear that it
could be used by the enemy. It remained dark for years and was
eventually turned back on. But then it was soon turned off again for
lack of funding to maintain it (it wasn't really needed with arrival
of radar and radio navigation) and keep it running all the time.

I think some local organization(s) fund it now. But it is only
lighted on December 7th, for one night.

It was cold and windy at the summit last night. In the 30s and the
wind was blowing the fog at about 20 mph. But a lot of people came up
anyway to be a part of it... Seniors, veterans of other wars, kids...
my pregnant wife :)

We took a couple of pictures with the digital camera while we were
there. It got so foggy that the flash made a mess of things. There
are a couple of web sites around with daytime photos of the beacon -
you can google on something like "mount diablo beacon" to see them.
This is photo my wife took of the light running in the fog... best we
could get for the cold, wet conditions.

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I understand that you can see more square miles of land from Diablo than
from any other point on earth except for Kilimanjaro. Nothing taller to the
West.
Bill

"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
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I had heard the light was originally a beacon for guiding ships into the
bay. They could see it out many miles. 300 or so sticks in my mind.
Looked out, but with the weather, did not see it from my house in
Pleasanton.
Bill

It was one of hundreds of beacons all over the country used by
aircraft. I think there were 20 or more just in CA. This one was
installed by Standard Oil in 1928. I don't think they were importing
oil into the bay by ship in 1928, but they were using airplanes. If I
recall some of what I have read correctly, Charles Lindburgh threw the
switch to turn it on when it was first commissioned.

While some of the 'histories' of the one on Mt. Diablo mention that
it was for aircraft and ships, I don't think it was a primary nav aid
for ships. At least that isn't why it was put there. Ships could
probably use it make sure that were headed in the right general
direction. But it's what 30+ miles inland from the Golden Gate, and
several miles from any navigable water?

When we got home Sunday, we couldn't see it from our house in Concord
either. The overcast was still shrouding the summit. A couple of
years ago the overcast was just barely above the summit, and the
bright beam lit up the bottom of the cloud cover for probably a half
mile or so. The beam moving around along the bottom of clouds looked
really cool.

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My wife and I attended a Pearl Harbor cermony last night at the
summit
of Mt. Diablo (Northern CA). There were 100 or so people there.
One
of the speakers mentioned that the membership in the local chapter
of
the Pearl Harbor Survivors Association (I don't recall if that is
the
actual name of the organization) was less than half what it was when
they started holding the cermony about 40 years ago. And judging by
the appearance of the survivors that were introduced, I'd say that
we
are very close to losing all the living links we have to that event.
(These are military people... I am sure there are those among us
that
were even younger civilians that witnessed the attack).

The ceremony was for the annual beacon lighting.

The bright white, rotating beacon was placed on Mt. Diablo in 1928
as
an aid to naviagtion for aircraft. It was turned off, with numerous
other beacons on the west coast, after Pearl Harbor for fear that it
could be used by the enemy. It remained dark for years and was
eventually turned back on. But then it was soon turned off again
for
lack of funding to maintain it (it wasn't really needed with arrival
of radar and radio navigation) and keep it running all the time.

I think some local organization(s) fund it now. But it is only
lighted on December 7th, for one night.

It was cold and windy at the summit last night. In the 30s and the
wind was blowing the fog at about 20 mph. But a lot of people came
up
anyway to be a part of it... Seniors, veterans of other wars,
kids...
my pregnant wife :)

We took a couple of pictures with the digital camera while we were
there. It got so foggy that the flash made a mess of things. There
are a couple of web sites around with daytime photos of the beacon -
you can google on something like "mount diablo beacon" to see them.
This is photo my wife took of the light running in the fog... best we
could get for the cold, wet conditions.

Pearl Harbor Day

"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net...
I understand that you can see more square miles of land from Diablo than
from any other point on earth except for Kilimanjaro. Nothing taller to the
West.
Bill

There are LOTS of mountains taller than Diablo to the west. It just
depends on how far you go. If you are talking about the mainland U.S.,
then that is true, seeing how it's only 30 or so miles to the coast. I
have done a lot of hiking on Mt. Diablo, and it IS a very nice place.
One of the few places in the bay area you can go to get to hell away
from all of the people. You could see Diablo from our townhouse deck
in Martinez, even saw snow about half way up once.

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IT is not just the height. It is location. Mt. Everest is only a few feet
higher than the next mountain, so the distance view is impeded. Diablo is
pretty much stand alone in height.

"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
link.net...
I understand that you can see more square miles of land from Diablo than
from any other point on earth except for Kilimanjaro. Nothing taller to
the
West.
Bill

There are LOTS of mountains taller than Diablo to the west. It just
depends on how far you go. If you are talking about the mainland U.S.,
then that is true, seeing how it's only 30 or so miles to the coast. I
have done a lot of hiking on Mt. Diablo, and it IS a very nice place.
One of the few places in the bay area you can go to get to hell away
from all of the people. You could see Diablo from our townhouse deck
in Martinez, even saw snow about half way up once.

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I wonder how many of us in the group can recall exactly where they were,
what they were doing, whom they were with and who told them about the
bombing of Hawaii??? I can, like it was yesterday...

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