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basskisser September 15th 04 03:58 PM

OT Bush still afraid to publicly debate Kerry?
 
I wonder why BushCo is so afraid to debate Kerry?
Also:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...otes091504.DTL

Gould 0738 September 15th 04 04:12 PM

I wonder why BushCo is so afraid to debate Kerry?
Also:


Bad strategic move.

The Repubs have spent most of their campaign money and energy smearing Kerry,
and with no small amount of success. Most of the people in the country
have a badly distorted image of Bush's opponent.

A debate would undo a lot of what the right wing has "accomplished" so far. If
Kerry loses this deal, it will be because the right wing spent more money and
energy telling the American public who John Satan Kerry is than Kerry was able
to. Kerry has been defined by the opposition- often a losing position in any
game.

Bush is not a good speaker, (to put it kindly). He would look like the daily
dufous
trying to find and correctly pronounce the words he would need to answer
questions from a panel.

If you were Bush, why would you submit to a direct, head to head comparison to
Kerry? Kerry would have nothing to lose, Bush would have nothing to gain.

As long as hate, fear, distrust, and stupidity are more common human currencies
than enlightened discourse and issues oriented discussions, Bush and his ilk
will continue to communicate through propaganda- not a civil debate.



jim-- September 15th 04 04:14 PM


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I wonder why BushCo is so afraid to debate Kerry?
Also:


Bad strategic move.

The Repubs have spent most of their campaign money and energy smearing
Kerry,


snip

OMG, I have never read anything funnier.



P.Fritz September 15th 04 04:17 PM


" jim--" wrote in message
...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I wonder why BushCo is so afraid to debate Kerry?
Also:


Bad strategic move.

The Repubs have spent most of their campaign money and energy smearing
Kerry,


snip

OMG, I have never read anything funnier.


Once again, the socialist liebrals whine about others doing the very thing
they are guilty of.






Harry Krause September 15th 04 04:19 PM

Gould 0738 wrote:

As long as hate, fear, distrust, and stupidity are more common human currencies
than enlightened discourse and issues oriented discussions, Bush and his ilk
will continue to communicate through propaganda- not a civil debate.


I have yet to figure out why the American public has given Bush a pass
for the last four years. He has utterly failed as President. In almost
every way that matters, the country is worse off than it was four years
ago. Yet the smirking idiot gets up there in his controlled appearances,
says nothing, mangles the language, and half of America loves him.

Perhaps half the country is as stupid as he is...and therefore they
identify with the simple-minded Bush puppet.


--
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to!

Calif Bill September 15th 04 04:40 PM


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I wonder why BushCo is so afraid to debate Kerry?
Also:


Bad strategic move.

The Repubs have spent most of their campaign money and energy smearing

Kerry,
and with no small amount of success. Most of the people in the country
have a badly distorted image of Bush's opponent.

A debate would undo a lot of what the right wing has "accomplished" so

far. If
Kerry loses this deal, it will be because the right wing spent more money

and
energy telling the American public who John Satan Kerry is than Kerry was

able
to. Kerry has been defined by the opposition- often a losing position in

any
game.

Bush is not a good speaker, (to put it kindly). He would look like the

daily
dufous
trying to find and correctly pronounce the words he would need to answer
questions from a panel.

If you were Bush, why would you submit to a direct, head to head

comparison to
Kerry? Kerry would have nothing to lose, Bush would have nothing to gain.

As long as hate, fear, distrust, and stupidity are more common human

currencies
than enlightened discourse and issues oriented discussions, Bush and his

ilk
will continue to communicate through propaganda- not a civil debate.




I agree, except the Dem's have spent most of their money smearing Bush. We
still do not have Kerry saying I was a great Senator for 20 years, showing
leadership, etc. We are screwed by the Dem's running idiot, incompetents
also.



NOYB September 15th 04 05:13 PM


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I wonder why BushCo is so afraid to debate Kerry?
Also:


Bad strategic move.

The Repubs have spent most of their campaign money and energy smearing

Kerry,
and with no small amount of success. Most of the people in the country
have a badly distorted image of Bush's opponent.

A debate would undo a lot of what the right wing has "accomplished" so

far. If
Kerry loses this deal, it will be because the right wing spent more money

and
energy telling the American public who John Satan Kerry is than Kerry was

able
to. Kerry has been defined by the opposition- often a losing position in

any
game.

Bush is not a good speaker, (to put it kindly). He would look like the

daily
dufous
trying to find and correctly pronounce the words he would need to answer
questions from a panel.


Contrary to low expectations going in, Bush out-debated Ann Richards, and he
out-debated Al Gore. He'll beat Kerry because Kerry will come across as a
high-brow elitest and alienate the common man swing voter. In today's day
and age, you try to appeal to the middle 20%...and that's the group that
votes by the seat of their pants...many times voting simply for the
candidate that is "more likeable". More people like Bush. Kerry has
virtually no appeal to people who don't identify themselves as staunch
Democrats.

The irony is that the subject matter and each candidates answers probably
won't matter. Kerry's better grasp of the English language may actually
work against him by alienating the average joe that makes up the middle 20%.





Harry Krause September 15th 04 05:15 PM

NOYB wrote:
In today's day
and age, you try to appeal to the middle 20%...and that's the group that
votes by the seat of their pants...many times voting simply for the
candidate that is "more likeable".


Republicans appeal to the lowest common denominator. Bush is about as
low as you can go, in terms of ability, intellect, and getting along
with others.

He's a scumball. But America seems to be heading towards the gutter, so
perhaps it is fitting, eh?

A hundred years from now, or even 50, Arabic will be the native language
here, and its rise will be traced to the failures of George W. Bush.


--
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to!

NOYB September 15th 04 05:21 PM


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gould 0738 wrote:

As long as hate, fear, distrust, and stupidity are more common human

currencies
than enlightened discourse and issues oriented discussions, Bush and his

ilk
will continue to communicate through propaganda- not a civil debate.


I have yet to figure out why the American public has given Bush a pass
for the last four years.



It's because your party just doesn't get it. Kerry's campaign has decided
to ignore each candidate's record while in public office, and make this
election about each candidate's life from 30 years ago. Whoever made that
decision is a blooming idiot. But I guess that's what you do when you know
that you can't run on a 20 year voting record in the Senate that establishes
you as the most left-wing elected official in the country. No matter how
bad you paint Bush's 4 years as President, people like the decisions he's
made...and don't like the way Kerry voted in opposition to those decisions.
Kerry doesn't have a prayer in November.






I gu




P.Fritz September 15th 04 05:34 PM


"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gould 0738 wrote:

As long as hate, fear, distrust, and stupidity are more common human

currencies
than enlightened discourse and issues oriented discussions, Bush and

his
ilk
will continue to communicate through propaganda- not a civil debate.


I have yet to figure out why the American public has given Bush a pass
for the last four years.



It's because your party just doesn't get it. Kerry's campaign has decided
to ignore each candidate's record while in public office, and make this
election about each candidate's life from 30 years ago. Whoever made that
decision is a blooming idiot. But I guess that's what you do when you

know
that you can't run on a 20 year voting record in the Senate that

establishes
you as the most left-wing elected official in the country. No matter how
bad you paint Bush's 4 years as President, people like the decisions he's
made...and don't like the way Kerry voted in opposition to those

decisions.
Kerry doesn't have a prayer in November.


Lets just hope the socilaist liebral continue their arrogant attitude that
they know better than everyone else.....it will result in conservatives
being elected more and more.






I gu






NOYB September 15th 04 06:32 PM


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
In today's day
and age, you try to appeal to the middle 20%...and that's the group that
votes by the seat of their pants...many times voting simply for the
candidate that is "more likeable".


Republicans appeal to the lowest common denominator.


Both sides appeal to the lowest common denominator. We target the religious
zealots and bigots...and you guys target the social deviants and immoral
hedonists.







Doug Kanter September 15th 04 07:49 PM


"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

" jim--" wrote in message
...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I wonder why BushCo is so afraid to debate Kerry?
Also:

Bad strategic move.

The Repubs have spent most of their campaign money and energy smearing
Kerry,


snip

OMG, I have never read anything funnier.


Once again, the socialist liebrals whine about others doing the very thing
they are guilty of.


Here we go again! What's a socialist? If you're going to use the word
constantly (and, I might add, erroneously), you may as well tell us what you
think it means.



Taco Heaven September 15th 04 07:56 PM


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
A hundred years from now, or even 50, Arabic will be the native language
here, and its rise will be traced to the failures of George W. Bush.


What in the world are you talking about? Are you suggesting that the Muslim
world will overthrow our government? Are you suggesting that so many Arabs
speaking individuals will move to the US that they will be able to vote for
a new official language?

Or are you just making a joke?





P.Fritz September 15th 04 09:01 PM


"Taco Heaven" wrote in message
news:kf02d.196792$mD.57069@attbi_s02...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
A hundred years from now, or even 50, Arabic will be the native language
here, and its rise will be traced to the failures of George W. Bush.


What in the world are you talking about? Are you suggesting that the

Muslim
world will overthrow our government? Are you suggesting that so many

Arabs
speaking individuals will move to the US that they will be able to vote

for
a new official language?

Or are you just making a joke?


harry is just a simple union hack, with little understanding of the real
world. He lives in a fantasy world where he owns a 36 ft lobsta boat and his
social worker wife is a doctor doctor.









thunder September 15th 04 09:30 PM

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:13:55 +0000, NOYB wrote:


The irony is that the subject matter and each candidates answers probably
won't matter. Kerry's better grasp of the English language may actually
work against him by alienating the average joe that makes up the middle
20%.


Sad, isn't it? If being a likable lug is all it takes to be POTUS, this
democracy isn't working. Hell, if this Presidential race has turned into
a popularity contest, I'm going to vote for Michelle Pfeiffer. At least
I'll pay attention during any news conferences.

thunder September 15th 04 09:36 PM

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:32:11 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Both sides appeal to the lowest common denominator. We target the
religious zealots and bigots...and you guys target the social deviants and
immoral hedonists.


Begs the question. which are you? A religious zealot, or a bigot? ;-)

thunder September 15th 04 09:38 PM

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:34:52 -0400, P.Fritz wrote:


Lets just hope the socilaist liebral continue their arrogant attitude that
they know better than everyone else.....it will result in conservatives
being elected more and more.


Bush is a conservative? Dream on.

NOYB September 15th 04 10:05 PM


"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:32:11 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Both sides appeal to the lowest common denominator. We target the
religious zealots and bigots...and you guys target the social deviants

and
immoral hedonists.


Begs the question. which are you? A religious zealot, or a bigot? ;-)


I'm the "we"...as in "we target..."



NOYB September 15th 04 10:07 PM


"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:13:55 +0000, NOYB wrote:


The irony is that the subject matter and each candidates answers

probably
won't matter. Kerry's better grasp of the English language may actually
work against him by alienating the average joe that makes up the middle
20%.


Sad, isn't it? If being a likable lug is all it takes to be POTUS, this
democracy isn't working. Hell, if this Presidential race has turned into
a popularity contest, I'm going to vote for Michelle Pfeiffer. At least
I'll pay attention during any news conferences.


Is Pfeiffer a Republican or a Democrat?



DSK September 15th 04 10:34 PM

NOBBY wrote:
Both sides appeal to the lowest common denominator. We target the
religious zealots and bigots...and you guys target the social deviants and
immoral hedonists.



thunder wrote:
Begs the question. which are you? A religious zealot, or a bigot? ;-)


Why can't he be both?

Actually, if you pay a little attention, NOBBY has unmasked himself a
couple of times as a Communist agitator.

DSK


NOYB September 15th 04 10:37 PM


"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
NOBBY wrote:
Both sides appeal to the lowest common denominator. We target the
religious zealots and bigots...and you guys target the social deviants

and
immoral hedonists.



thunder wrote:
Begs the question. which are you? A religious zealot, or a bigot? ;-)


Why can't he be both?

Actually, if you pay a little attention, NOBBY has unmasked himself a
couple of times as a Communist agitator.


Which would make me a socially immoral hedonistic deviant...like many of the
left-wing mutants here on rec.boats.




Short Wave Sportfishing September 15th 04 11:04 PM

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:07:00 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:13:55 +0000, NOYB wrote:


The irony is that the subject matter and each candidates answers

probably
won't matter. Kerry's better grasp of the English language may actually
work against him by alienating the average joe that makes up the middle
20%.


Sad, isn't it? If being a likable lug is all it takes to be POTUS, this
democracy isn't working. Hell, if this Presidential race has turned into
a popularity contest, I'm going to vote for Michelle Pfeiffer. At least
I'll pay attention during any news conferences.


Is Pfeiffer a Republican or a Democrat?


She is the Walrus.

Koo Koo Ka Choo...

Later,

Tom



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