Great info on build containerships.
 

http://www.matson.com/bos/index.shtml

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:51:41 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

http://www.matson.com/bos/index.shtml

Very interesting. Thanks.

Later,

Tom

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...
http://www.matson.com/bos/index.shtml


I sailed on the Lurline and Monterey as a passenger back in the late '60's.
We sailed on the Lurline going from LA to Honolulu and then, three years
later, the Monterey from Honolulu to LA. I believe that the Lurline had
been taken out of passenger service and the Monterey was on its last trip
with passengers when we sailed on her.

Nice ships as I remember them.

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:49:42 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
http://www.matson.com/bos/index.shtml


I sailed on the Lurline and Monterey as a passenger back in the late '60's.
We sailed on the Lurline going from LA to Honolulu and then, three years
later, the Monterey from Honolulu to LA. I believe that the Lurline had
been taken out of passenger service and the Monterey was on its last trip
with passengers when we sailed on her.

Nice ships as I remember them.

The wife and I took a trip on the Mt. Vernon Victory in the 80's - one
of the last Onasis tankers in service at the time. A friend of mine
was the Captain.

Thing had a baby grand piano in the owner's lounge.

Taht trip was a lot of fun.

Later,

Tom
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Calif Bill wrote:
http://www.matson.com/bos/index.shtml


Interesting link, thanks.

DSK

The wife and I took a trip on the Mt. Vernon Victory in the 80's - one
of the last Onasis tankers in service at the time. A friend of mine
was the Captain.


As I remember, she was one of the old midship house tankers, built on gov'ment
specs. There were a number of them around, all of which had a good turn of
speed and some better than average accomodations, for US ships (which normally
have worse than average accomodations ..... kinda like living in an
institution).

Shen

"Shen44" wrote in message
...
The wife and I took a trip on the Mt. Vernon Victory in the 80's - one
of the last Onasis tankers in service at the time. A friend of mine
was the Captain.


As I remember, she was one of the old midship house tankers, built on
gov'ment
specs. There were a number of them around, all of which had a good turn of
speed and some better than average accomodations, for US ships (which
normally
have worse than average accomodations ..... kinda like living in an
institution).

Shen

Onassis got big in the shipping business because he bought the left over
Liberty ships from the US government at the end of WW II for less than scrap
value. Probably pennies on the $1000.

On 16 Sep 2004 02:03:44 GMT, (Shen44) wrote:

The wife and I took a trip on the Mt. Vernon Victory in the 80's - one
of the last Onasis tankers in service at the time. A friend of mine
was the Captain.


As I remember, she was one of the old midship house tankers, built on gov'ment
specs. There were a number of them around, all of which had a good turn of
speed and some better than average accomodations, for US ships (which normally
have worse than average accomodations ..... kinda like living in an
institution).

Exactomundo!!!!!!

The trip was a lot of fun - we had a great time.

Later,

Tom

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 05:35:03 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Shen44" wrote in message
...
The wife and I took a trip on the Mt. Vernon Victory in the 80's - one
of the last Onasis tankers in service at the time. A friend of mine
was the Captain.


As I remember, she was one of the old midship house tankers, built on
gov'ment
specs. There were a number of them around, all of which had a good turn of
speed and some better than average accomodations, for US ships (which
normally
have worse than average accomodations ..... kinda like living in an
institution).

Shen

Onassis got big in the shipping business because he bought the left over
Liberty ships from the US government at the end of WW II for less than scrap
value. Probably pennies on the $1000.

I know a guy who is a bizillionaire today because of buying surplus
aircraft from the government after WWII. Actually sold some back
during Korea for a very handsome profit.

He still has some AAF two seat trainers in storage. I've often thought
of pressing him to buy one and restore it.

Later,

Tom

Calif Bill wrote:

Onassis got big in the shipping business because he bought the left over
Liberty ships from the US government at the end of WW II for less than scrap
value. Probably pennies on the $1000.


G Maersk was another of these who made good from WW2.
Story goes, he turned over all his ships to US government at the
outbreak of the war with the stipulation that all those sunk would be
replaced at the end of hostilities.
Most of the ships were junk and all were sunk so that at the end of the
war he ended up with a fleet of "new" ships, courtesy of Uncle Sam.

shen reminisces:

-As I remember, she was one of the old midship house tankers, built on
gov'ment specs. There were a number of them around, all of which had a good
turn of speed -

Bilge- Most likely a T-2 tanker. Steam turbine to dc electric final drive,
IIRC.

They monkeyed with them in every conceivable way...like a jeep abandoned in
Manila.

In fact, I think the SS Marine Electric was a converted T-2...I only bring it
up because I'm docked next to the coal pier she left from on her last voyage.


-for US ships (which normally have worse than average accomodations .....
kinda like living in an institution).-shen

Bilge-Tell me about it, why d'you think I'm on a Danish-built bottom? Earlier
this year I was sailing on the SS Horizon Hawaii, a C-6 class container ship,
(circa 1973), and my cabin was as wide as my bunk was long, add a foot fore 'n
aft....ridiculously bad living conditions on US ships, compared to "quality"
foreign built...the legacy of the SS Morro Castle.

Cheers;


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otnmbrd adds:

-Maersk was another of these who made good from WW2.Story goes, he turned
over all his ships to US government at the outbreak of the war with the
stipulation that all those sunk would be replaced at the end of
hostilities.Most of the ships were junk and all were sunk so that at the end of
the war he ended up with a fleet of "new" ships, courtesy of Uncle Sam.-


Bilge- LOL, that's the outfit I'm working for now, alright! Hey...it's still
going on, check the link:

http://www.maersklinelimited.com/mll/fleet/mps.asp

I'm on the Phillips. After the charter to Sammy expires, Uncle has to refit
the ships to their original form, see: Maersk Constellation, or buy the pooches
with their 30 year old salt-water cooled engine rooms.

In fairness, A.P. Moeller-Maersk's mom was American, so I believe he has dual
citizenship...but Lordy is he cheap bastid!

On my first Maersk ship, I was rootin' around the machine shop and found a
repair kit for a six-inch crescent wrench...the worm gear, the movable jaw, and
the pin, all in a plastic bag.

I wandered around dumbstruck for an hour that they would pay a guy two hours
to repair a tool that they could replace for 5-10 bucks.

These people spend zillions on crap, but whine cry and wail about our wages
and overtime.

And then they go wail and whine to the unions and the Coast Guard and anyone
else who will listen about how hard it is for them to fill the jobs...why won't
anyone take these jobs?

If ya can't figure out what the problem is, then its' highly likely that you
are the problem.


Cheers;


Mutiny is a Management Tool
Select Your Tattoo while Sober

Bilgeman wrote:
shen reminisces:

-As I remember, she was one of the old midship house tankers, built on
gov'ment specs. There were a number of them around, all of which had a good
turn of speed -

Bilge- Most likely a T-2 tanker. Steam turbine to dc electric final drive,
IIRC.

Negative. The Onasis tankers were after the war with pure steam,
reduction gear drives. HP was in the 20,000 range versus 7ish range of
the T2

They monkeyed with them in every conceivable way...like a jeep abandoned in
Manila.

In fact, I think the SS Marine Electric was a converted T-2...I only bring it
up because I'm docked next to the coal pier she left from on her last voyage.

She was. House was moved aft, atop the after house, and I believe a new
forebody. Sailed on a few of those types, plus original configuration
ones. BG Now THAT's dating oneself....

otn

otnmbrd wails:

-She was. House was moved aft, atop the after house, and I believe a new
forebody. Sailed on a few of those types, plus original configuration ones.
BG Now THAT's dating oneself....
-

Bilge- I'm getting there...Have a jpg of CS Long Lines leaving Honolulu on her
final voyage.

Thanks for the correction on Onassis.

Cheers;



Mutiny is a Management Tool
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