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28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Hello,
We're shopping for a 28-32' cruiser and are really attracted to a flybridge style. To our dismay, neither Sea Ray nor Chaparral make cruiser of this type/size. We've seen only one boat with the right design so far - Bayliner 288 (formerly 2858), but average quality of its construction makes us wish to have more than one boat to choose from. Can anyone suggest other flybridge cruisers of this size? Any tips will be greatly appreciated! WC |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
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28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Coff wrote:
(Wannacat) wrote in message . com... Hello, We're shopping for a 28-32' cruiser and are really attracted to a flybridge style. To our dismay, neither Sea Ray nor Chaparral make cruiser of this type/size. We've seen only one boat with the right design so far - Bayliner 288 (formerly 2858), but average quality of its construction makes us wish to have more than one boat to choose from. Can anyone suggest other flybridge cruisers of this size? Any tips will be greatly appreciated! WC If you are looking for a solid flybridge cruiser in that size range, check out: http://www.seasportboats.com SeaSport makes some *very* capable ocean-going cruisers. Much better than "average" quality of construction. I'm not a fan of the I/O power offerings, but there are alternatives. -- Email sent to is never read. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Willing to look at an older boat?
Consider Bertram. Built both 28 and 32 flybridge models. Blackfin builds a new 32' flybridge boat- and it is probably priced around $200k or so with twin diesels. There's a new boat built by Halvorsen that looks promising. Built in Europe to Lloyds standards. 32-feet, single diesel, probably in the 2 to low-2's price bracket for a new 32-footer. Looking for a builder where the 28-32 foot range is the "top of the line" may also pay some dividends. Some builders consider 28-feet an "entry level" boat, and they build the products just well enough to get you by until you can step up to a "real" boat for a few hundred thousand more.... |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Gould 0738 wrote:
Willing to look at an older boat? Consider Bertram. Built both 28 and 32 flybridge models. Blackfin builds a new 32' flybridge boat- and it is probably priced around $200k or so with twin diesels. There's a new boat built by Halvorsen that looks promising. Built in Europe to Lloyds standards. 32-feet, single diesel, probably in the 2 to low-2's price bracket for a new 32-footer. Looking for a builder where the 28-32 foot range is the "top of the line" may also pay some dividends. Some builders consider 28-feet an "entry level" boat, and they build the products just well enough to get you by until you can step up to a "real" boat for a few hundred thousand more.... There's a lovely Bertie 33' sportfish with a flying bridge available for under $100,000 down the road from me apiece. I believe it is a mid or late 1980's model. I've only looked at the exterior, and the hull looks very sound. The downside is that it apparently has a pair of 454 gashogs. If I were looking for a project boat (in terms of a diesel repower), this would be the one. -- Email sent to is never read. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
The Pursuit 3100 Offshore looks like it might go it. They are popular here and
the quality is supposed to be excellent. http://www.pursuitboats.com/ And then there's Luhrs... http://www.luhrs.com Dan Wannacat wrote: Hello, We're shopping for a 28-32' cruiser and are really attracted to a flybridge style. To our dismay, neither Sea Ray nor Chaparral make cruiser of this type/size. We've seen only one boat with the right design so far - Bayliner 288 (formerly 2858), but average quality of its construction makes us wish to have more than one boat to choose from. Can anyone suggest other flybridge cruisers of this size? Any tips will be greatly appreciated! WC |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Gould 0738 wrote:
Willing to look at an older boat? Consider Bertram. Built both 28 and 32 flybridge models. Blackfin builds a new 32' flybridge boat- and it is probably priced around $200k or so with twin diesels. There's a new boat built by Halvorsen that looks promising. Built in Europe to Lloyds standards. 32-feet, single diesel, probably in the 2 to low-2's price bracket for a new 32-footer. Looking for a builder where the 28-32 foot range is the "top of the line" may also pay some dividends. Some builders consider 28-feet an "entry level" boat, and they build the products just well enough to get you by until you can step up to a "real" boat for a few hundred thousand more.... Halvorsen; lovely boats, including mine :-) K |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Hello,
We're shopping for a 28-32' cruiser and are really attracted to a flybridge style. To our dismay, neither Sea Ray nor Chaparral make cruiser of this type/size. We've seen only one boat with the right design so far - Bayliner 288 (formerly 2858), but average quality of its construction makes us wish to have more than one boat to choose from. Can anyone suggest other flybridge cruisers of this size? Any tips will be greatly appreciated! WC I'm not sure who out there other than Bayliner currently makes a 28' to 30' flybridge model cruiser but someone mentioned Carver and in the late 80's thru the early 90's they built some Santego models that were very roomy although IMO styling left something to be desired. They are quite roomy with very adequate storage and seem to be pretty solid. Some close boating friends of mine had an 87 27' Santego and it was a great boat for them. They moved up to a 2000 352 Silverton sedan model that they like very much. I have also seen some 30' Santego's here on the Great Lakes they are built in Wisconsin and are very popular in this area. Good luck. 138 days to go.. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 00:34:00 +0000, Wannacat wrote:
Hello, We're shopping for a 28-32' cruiser and are really attracted to a flybridge style. To our dismay, neither Sea Ray nor Chaparral make cruiser of this type/size. We've seen only one boat with the right design so far - Bayliner 288 (formerly 2858), but average quality of its construction makes us wish to have more than one boat to choose from. Can anyone suggest other flybridge cruisers of this size? Any tips will be greatly appreciated! WC Donno where you are, but here on the Wet Coast there's billions of "flybridge" (we call them Command Bridge) boats. I think it may be because we have a lot of flotsam in the water, and getting up high makes it easier to spot. Bayliner does seem to be the most popular, but others a Bertram, Uniflite, Monaro, Double Eagle, Reinell (wouldn't buy one), Tollycraft (VERY nice!), and the Campion Zeta. Some of these are pretty old and may no longer be in business, but you might pick up a nice used one. Here are some ads: http://www.buysell.com/showad.asp?id=24975914 http://www.buysell.com/showad.asp?id=24975816 http://www.buysell.com/showad.asp?id=25070143 One thing: the smaller CB's (under 28 ft) had some stability issues, which may be why you're having problems finding that style. Good luck! Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Two other names to consider:
Marinette sold 28 and 32' flybridge cruisers, aluminum hulls, pretty well made, almost always twin gas Crusaders or Chrysler. They quit making them in 10990, but there are a fair amount of them around, especially in the Great lakes. Cooper, the Canadian company that is now Queenship, made some nice ones in the 1980's (I have the 8M Prowler). Very well made, nicely appointed, not many around. They also made a 9M. Capt. Jeff |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Messing In Boats wrote: Two other names to consider: Marinette sold 28 and 32' flybridge cruisers, aluminum hulls, pretty well made, almost always twin gas Crusaders or Chrysler. They quit making them in 10990, but there are a fair amount of them around, especially in the Great lakes. I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Trojan F32 yet..the most popular 32' flybridge sedan ever built. Trojan built it from 1973-1991 and never changed a thing except the decor color scheme, so there are a bunch of 'em out there, and many of the older ones have been completely restored and updated...to the extent that there's little left of the original boat except the "shell." Mine was a project boat I bought from an estate and restored. By the time I was finished, I had 1-3 yr old boat (it took me 3 years to do all the work) in a 20 yr old hull, with all the bells and whistles anyone could ask for on a boat. The F32 has a 13' beam, which makes it very comfortable, with loads of storage, and economical to cruise. However, it's not a blue water boat...the design of the hull doesn't like heavy seas at all. But an ideal cruiser for inland waters and protected waters like the Chesapeake Bay. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
A note on the Bayliner 28 & 32 with command bridge. Certain year models,
I am not sure which would "nose dive" during high speed turns and bury the bow. This brought the boat to an abrupt stop and tossed anyone on the bridge into the water. The bow would surface, and the props dig in. Away would go your Bayliner without a coxswain. Bayliner's "fix" for this problem was to put 500 pounds of ballast in the stern. Make sure your boat is retrofitted before purchase. Regards, Capt. Frank Wannacat wrote: Hello, We're shopping for a 28-32' cruiser and are really attracted to a flybridge style. To our dismay, neither Sea Ray nor Chaparral make cruiser of this type/size. We've seen only one boat with the right design so far - Bayliner 288 (formerly 2858), but average quality of its construction makes us wish to have more than one boat to choose from. Can anyone suggest other flybridge cruisers of this size? Any tips will be greatly appreciated! WC |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Capt. Frank Hopkins wrote:
A note on the Bayliner 28 & 32 with command bridge. Certain year models, I am not sure which would "nose dive" during high speed turns and bury the bow. This brought the boat to an abrupt stop and tossed anyone on the bridge into the water. The bow would surface, and the props dig in. Away would go your Bayliner without a coxswain. Bayliner's "fix" for this problem was to put 500 pounds of ballast in the stern. Make sure your boat is retrofitted before purchase. Regards, Capt. Frank A design feature to be envied... -- Email sent to is never read. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:49:52 GMT, "Capt. Frank Hopkins"
wrote: Bayliner's "fix" for this problem was to put 500 pounds of ballast in the stern. Make sure your boat is retrofitted before purchase. ============================================ Yes, true story but that was only half the fix as I recall. The other half was to put a warning plaque on the flybridge about carrying excessive numbers of people on the bridge. With too much weight up high (maybe 4 people) the boat would capsize to the outside of a tight turn. Another nifty design feature from today's volume and pricing leader. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:49:52 GMT, "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote: Bayliner's "fix" for this problem was to put 500 pounds of ballast in the stern. Make sure your boat is retrofitted before purchase. ============================================ Yes, true story but that was only half the fix as I recall. The other half was to put a warning plaque on the flybridge about carrying excessive numbers of people on the bridge. With too much weight up high (maybe 4 people) the boat would capsize to the outside of a tight turn. Another nifty design feature from today's volume and pricing leader. Hehehe. I love it. Bayliner; the Wal-Mart of boats. -- Email sent to is never read. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:49:52 GMT, "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote: Bayliner's "fix" for this problem was to put 500 pounds of ballast in the stern. Make sure your boat is retrofitted before purchase. ============================================ Yes, true story but that was only half the fix as I recall. The other half was to put a warning plaque on the flybridge about carrying excessive numbers of people on the bridge. With too much weight up high (maybe 4 people) the boat would capsize to the outside of a tight turn. Another nifty design feature from today's volume and pricing leader. Hehehe. I love it. Bayliner; the Wal-Mart of boats. Actually, I believe Wal-Mart was selling Gen-Mar products in some test markets. Nevertheless, you're comparing a manufacturer to a retailer. Wal-Mart provides the same things you buy in other stores, but for less money. Hey, if you don't mind purchasing Yo-Zuri's, Penn SS's, and Sabiki's for 50% more elsewhere, then have at it. I spend plenty at my local bait shop. However, if I'm buying in bulk (Sabiki's, etc), I shop WalMart. BTW--Sam's Choice bottled water is not only the cheapest and best-testing, it freezes very well without exploding the bottle...which is very convenient for icing the cooler. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
That is true. The store with its own zip code, Wal-vania's Tampa store
on Dale Mabry Drive is selling smaller Sea Ray and Boston Whaler units. I have taken note they ARE NOT selling Bay liners. Costco is selling several brands of boats too. How many Bayliners does it take to line a bay? Is a Bayliner anything like a swimming pool liner? Will both work underwater? It is a good thing Bayliner doesn't make an inflatable. You would need to buy stock in fix-a-flat. feel free to add to the list! grin CF NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:49:52 GMT, "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote: Bayliner's "fix" for this problem was to put 500 pounds of ballast in the stern. Make sure your boat is retrofitted before purchase. ============================================ Yes, true story but that was only half the fix as I recall. The other half was to put a warning plaque on the flybridge about carrying excessive numbers of people on the bridge. With too much weight up high (maybe 4 people) the boat would capsize to the outside of a tight turn. Another nifty design feature from today's volume and pricing leader. Hehehe. I love it. Bayliner; the Wal-Mart of boats. Actually, I believe Wal-Mart was selling Gen-Mar products in some test markets. Nevertheless, you're comparing a manufacturer to a retailer. Wal-Mart provides the same things you buy in other stores, but for less money. Hey, if you don't mind purchasing Yo-Zuri's, Penn SS's, and Sabiki's for 50% more elsewhere, then have at it. I spend plenty at my local bait shop. However, if I'm buying in bulk (Sabiki's, etc), I shop WalMart. BTW--Sam's Choice bottled water is not only the cheapest and best-testing, it freezes very well without exploding the bottle...which is very convenient for icing the cooler. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
That is true. The store with its own zip code, Wal-vania's Tampa store
on Dale Mabry Drive is selling smaller Sea Ray and Boston Whaler units. I have taken note they ARE NOT selling Bay liners. Costco is selling several brands of boats too. How many Bayliners does it take to line a bay? Is a Bayliner anything like a swimming pool liner? Will both work underwater? It is a good thing Bayliner doesn't make an inflatable. You would need to buy stock in fix-a-flat. feel free to add to the list! grin CF Bayliner: the issue that always evokes the ridiculous comments from people who are supposed to know better. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
We can't help ourselves. EG
Bayliner: The only boat that comes standard with a free ski rope. And printed instructions for attaching it to the bow cleat. -W "Gould 0738" wrote in message Bayliner: the issue that always evokes the ridiculous comments from people who are supposed to know better. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
We can't help ourselves. EG
Bayliner: The only boat that comes standard with a free ski rope. And printed instructions for attaching it to the bow cleat. -W Know any good ****** jokes? They would be just as accurate, and would appeal to the same sensibilities. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
damn, you really take your boats seriously if you take those two things in
the same light. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... We can't help ourselves. EG Bayliner: The only boat that comes standard with a free ski rope. And printed instructions for attaching it to the bow cleat. -W Know any good ****** jokes? They would be just as accurate, and would appeal to the same sensibilities. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
damn, you really take your boats seriously if you take those two things in
the same light. Ignorant prejudice always radiates the same light, regardless of subject matter. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... We can't help ourselves. EG Bayliner: The only boat that comes standard with a free ski rope. And printed instructions for attaching it to the bow cleat. -W Know any good ****** jokes? They would be just as accurate, and would appeal to the same sensibilities. Bayliner...the black person of the waterways. ;-) (j/k--I couldn't resist) |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
I can't dignify any comparison between the two with any comment whatsoever. -W "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... We can't help ourselves. EG Bayliner: The only boat that comes standard with a free ski rope. And printed instructions for attaching it to the bow cleat. -W Know any good ****** jokes? They would be just as accurate, and would appeal to the same sensibilities. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Of course they do Chuck. After all, aren't you supposed to laugh at a
clown ;) F Gould 0738 wrote: That is true. The store with its own zip code, Wal-vania's Tampa store on Dale Mabry Drive is selling smaller Sea Ray and Boston Whaler units. I have taken note they ARE NOT selling Bay liners. Costco is selling several brands of boats too. How many Bayliners does it take to line a bay? Is a Bayliner anything like a swimming pool liner? Will both work underwater? It is a good thing Bayliner doesn't make an inflatable. You would need to buy stock in fix-a-flat. feel free to add to the list! grin CF Bayliner: the issue that always evokes the ridiculous comments from people who are supposed to know better. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
It's not ignorant prejudice. It was a joke based on my opinion that
Bayliners reach POS status sooner than other brands as the years roll by. When my Four Winns was mowed down last summer. The first suitable replacemet hull we came across on Ebay was an 18' 2002 Bayliner. I added the line "Please Lord , let another boat pop up so we don't have to buy that Bayliner." to my bedtime prayers. My Seaswirl appeared and was closed on the morning of my birthday. That night, I thanked God profusely for the Seaswirl and for sparing me the wretched curse of owning a Bayliner. I once owned a Vega wagon...... I *paid* my vehicular dues in life already. -W "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... damn, you really take your boats seriously if you take those two things in the same light. Ignorant prejudice always radiates the same light, regardless of subject matter. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
It's not ignorant prejudice. It was a joke based on my opinion that
Bayliners Just lumping all "Bayliners" into the same statement is a prejudice. Is it accurate to compare a new 16' BMT combo sold for $9995 with a $300,000 cruiser? The disposa-boat shouldn't be confused with a generally average quality offering- and vice versa. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Gould 0738 wrote:
It's not ignorant prejudice. It was a joke based on my opinion that Bayliners Just lumping all "Bayliners" into the same statement is a prejudice. Is it accurate to compare a new 16' BMT combo sold for $9995 with a $300,000 cruiser? The disposa-boat shouldn't be confused with a generally average quality offering- and vice versa. For $300,000, Chuckster, I would want something more in a boat than a "generally average quality offering." And I'd get it. -- Email sent to is never read. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Bayliner doesn't *have* a $300,000 cruiser. Brunswick was smart enough to get that name off them. Thusly we now have Meridian Yachts. And have you noticed that on the Trophy fishing boats the "Bayliner" part is getting smaller and smaller fonts? I think you're gonna see Brunswick reserve the Bayliner branding for "disposa-boats". -W "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... It's not ignorant prejudice. It was a joke based on my opinion that Bayliners Just lumping all "Bayliners" into the same statement is a prejudice. Is it accurate to compare a new 16' BMT combo sold for $9995 with a $300,000 cruiser? The disposa-boat shouldn't be confused with a generally average quality offering- and vice versa. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
For $300,000, Chuckster, I would want something more in a boat than a
"generally average quality offering." And I'd get it. Many of your quality evaluations would be highly subjective. That's OK, same with almost everybody else on most issues. Then the trick becomes getting the "right" answer to the following question. (Personally, I don't know what the right answer is... and right for one person isn't going to be right for the next) "For $300,000, shall I buy a generally average quality, 33' boat at least adequately seaworthy for its intended use and then some- or for the same money shall I instead select an exceptionally high quality 27' boat adequately seaworthy for its intended use and then some? Only people who have never really been around a boat in their whole life would actually suspect that the only thing you get for 30-times the price of the $9995 BMT combo is "bigger." |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Gould 0738 wrote:
For $300,000, Chuckster, I would want something more in a boat than a "generally average quality offering." And I'd get it. Many of your quality evaluations would be highly subjective. That's OK, same with almost everybody else on most issues. Subjective? I don't think so, Chuck. I've been around long enough to tell what makes up "quality" in a $300,000 boat. Then the trick becomes getting the "right" answer to the following question. (Personally, I don't know what the right answer is... and right for one person isn't going to be right for the next) "For $300,000, shall I buy a generally average quality, 33' boat at least adequately seaworthy for its intended use and then some- or for the same money shall I instead select an exceptionally high quality 27' boat adequately seaworthy for its intended use and then some? For around $300,000 you can indeed buy a high-quality boat of more than 30 feet. Isn't the American Tug 34' around $300,000-$325,000? It would be of higher than average quality, and more than adequately seaworthy. I've been aboard Bayliners that sell for far more than $325,000, and have found them cheaply made and with bad handling characteristics. -- Email sent to is never read. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Peggie Hall wrote in message ...
Messing In Boats wrote: Two other names to consider: Marinette sold 28 and 32' flybridge cruisers, aluminum hulls, pretty well made, almost always twin gas Crusaders or Chrysler. They quit making them in 10990, but there are a fair amount of them around, especially in the Great lakes. I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Trojan F32 yet..the most popular 32' flybridge sedan ever built. Trojan built it from 1973-1991 and never changed a thing except the decor color scheme, so there are a bunch of 'em out there, and many of the older ones have been completely restored and updated...to the extent that there's little left of the original boat except the "shell." Mine was a project boat I bought from an estate and restored. By the time I was finished, I had 1-3 yr old boat (it took me 3 years to do all the work) in a 20 yr old hull, with all the bells and whistles anyone could ask for on a boat. The F32 has a 13' beam, which makes it very comfortable, with loads of storage, and economical to cruise. However, it's not a blue water boat...the design of the hull doesn't like heavy seas at all. But an ideal cruiser for inland waters and protected waters like the Chesapeake Bay. I agree with Peggy. I was looking thorugh this thread and was suprised it took so long before someone mentioned the Trojan. Our best friends have one, as do some other friends of ours. Great boats. 32 LOA and very beamy at 13'. As Peggy mentions it is not a boat for rough water as they are too fat for their length. But thats a ride issue - not structural. They are tough, well built hulls, just are comfortable in rough water. |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
On Fri, Wannacat wrote: We're shopping for a 28-32' cruiser and are really attracted to a flybridge Can anyone suggest other flybridge cruisers of this size? Any tips will be greatly appreciated! I'm very pleased with my Luhrs. Late 60s on through late 70s are heavy Fiberglas with traditional hull form. Regards, John Gaquin Brefnie Queen 1974 Luhrs 32 |
28-32' cruiser with flybridge?
Geez everybody, I didn't intend to start a Bayliner flame war. Sorry I
posted. CF Wannacat wrote: Hello, We're shopping for a 28-32' cruiser and are really attracted to a flybridge style. To our dismay, neither Sea Ray nor Chaparral make cruiser of this type/size. We've seen only one boat with the right design so far - Bayliner 288 (formerly 2858), but average quality of its construction makes us wish to have more than one boat to choose from. Can anyone suggest other flybridge cruisers of this size? Any tips will be greatly appreciated! WC |
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