Interesting Boating Rules
 

Was in BoatUS the other day and picked up a free copy
of "Federal Requirements and Safety Tips for Recrecational
Boaters". Nearest I can tell the publishing date was 7/2001.

Anyway, two notes:


It says all vessels (even recreational vessels) that
have "propulsion machinery" (en engine) must have "a capacity
to retain oily mixtures on board and be equipped with a fixed
or portable means to discharge these. On recreational vessels,
a bucket, oil absorbant pads and heavy duty plastic bag, bailer
or portable pump are some suitable means that meet the
resuirement..." ~ I'd never known of this regulation before.
Guess I'll throw a large "contractor" bag with some oil
absorbant pads into some unused corner.

It says impropper use of the (VHF) radio "is punishable by
a $10,000 fine, imprisonment for two years or both." It says
about negligent operation such as having "bowriding" that
you "mayb be fined up to $5,000, imprisioned for one year
or both." But about Boating Under the Influence it says,
"...violators are subject to a civil penalty of $1,000, or a
criminal penalty not to exced $5,000, one year
inprisonment or both. ~ Hmmmm.....so swearing
over the radio is worse than being negligent or drunk ???

Anyway.

Interesting Boating Rules
 

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:47:40 -0400, "Gary Warner"
wrote:


Was in BoatUS the other day and picked up a free copy
of "Federal Requirements and Safety Tips for Recrecational
Boaters". Nearest I can tell the publishing date was 7/2001.

Anyway, two notes:


It says all vessels (even recreational vessels) that
have "propulsion machinery" (en engine) must have "a capacity
to retain oily mixtures on board and be equipped with a fixed
or portable means to discharge these. On recreational vessels,
a bucket, oil absorbant pads and heavy duty plastic bag, bailer
or portable pump are some suitable means that meet the
resuirement..." ~ I'd never known of this regulation before.
Guess I'll throw a large "contractor" bag with some oil
absorbant pads into some unused corner.

It says impropper use of the (VHF) radio "is punishable by
a $10,000 fine, imprisonment for two years or both." It says
about negligent operation such as having "bowriding" that
you "mayb be fined up to $5,000, imprisioned for one year
or both." But about Boating Under the Influence it says,
"...violators are subject to a civil penalty of $1,000, or a
criminal penalty not to exced $5,000, one year
inprisonment or both. ~ Hmmmm.....so swearing
over the radio is worse than being negligent or drunk ???

Anyway.

Odd eh what? :)

I still say Prohibition is the only answer to the drinking and boating
problem. :)

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
-----------
"Angling may be said to be so
like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

Interesting Boating Rules
 

"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

Was in BoatUS the other day and picked up a free copy
of "Federal Requirements and Safety Tips for Recrecational
Boaters". Nearest I can tell the publishing date was 7/2001.

Anyway, two notes:


It says all vessels (even recreational vessels) that
have "propulsion machinery" (en engine) must have "a capacity
to retain oily mixtures on board and be equipped with a fixed
or portable means to discharge these. On recreational vessels,
a bucket, oil absorbant pads and heavy duty plastic bag, bailer
or portable pump are some suitable means that meet the
resuirement..." ~ I'd never known of this regulation before.
Guess I'll throw a large "contractor" bag with some oil
absorbant pads into some unused corner.

This makes perfect sense.


It says impropper use of the (VHF) radio "is punishable by
a $10,000 fine, imprisonment for two years or both." It says
about negligent operation such as having "bowriding" that
you "mayb be fined up to $5,000, imprisioned for one year
or both." But about Boating Under the Influence it says,
"...violators are subject to a civil penalty of $1,000, or a
criminal penalty not to exced $5,000, one year
inprisonment or both. ~ Hmmmm.....so swearing
over the radio is worse than being negligent or drunk ???

Anyway.

The "improper use" clause makes sense, but the relative fines are a bit odd.
But, maybe they want to leave the major DWI penalties up to the local
authorities. If a township or county is too stupid to apply the same
penalties as automotive DWI offenses, they deserve what they get.

Interesting Boating Rules
 

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:44:22 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

Was in BoatUS the other day and picked up a free copy
of "Federal Requirements and Safety Tips for Recrecational
Boaters". Nearest I can tell the publishing date was 7/2001.

Anyway, two notes:


It says all vessels (even recreational vessels) that
have "propulsion machinery" (en engine) must have "a capacity
to retain oily mixtures on board and be equipped with a fixed
or portable means to discharge these. On recreational vessels,
a bucket, oil absorbant pads and heavy duty plastic bag, bailer
or portable pump are some suitable means that meet the
resuirement..." ~ I'd never known of this regulation before.
Guess I'll throw a large "contractor" bag with some oil
absorbant pads into some unused corner.

This makes perfect sense.


It says impropper use of the (VHF) radio "is punishable by
a $10,000 fine, imprisonment for two years or both." It says
about negligent operation such as having "bowriding" that
you "mayb be fined up to $5,000, imprisioned for one year
or both." But about Boating Under the Influence it says,
"...violators are subject to a civil penalty of $1,000, or a
criminal penalty not to exced $5,000, one year
inprisonment or both. ~ Hmmmm.....so swearing
over the radio is worse than being negligent or drunk ???

Anyway.

The "improper use" clause makes sense, but the relative fines are a bit odd.
But, maybe they want to leave the major DWI penalties up to the local
authorities. If a township or county is too stupid to apply the same
penalties as automotive DWI offenses, they deserve what they get.

Got a better one for you. In CT, the DUI limit is .08 for cars,
trucks, boats, etc. They finally got that all straightened out last
year.

However, the fines are different for boaters than drivers.

Gotta wonder, huh? :)

Later,

Tom

Interesting Boating Rules
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:44:22 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

Was in BoatUS the other day and picked up a free copy
of "Federal Requirements and Safety Tips for Recrecational
Boaters". Nearest I can tell the publishing date was 7/2001.

Anyway, two notes:


It says all vessels (even recreational vessels) that
have "propulsion machinery" (en engine) must have "a capacity
to retain oily mixtures on board and be equipped with a fixed
or portable means to discharge these. On recreational vessels,
a bucket, oil absorbant pads and heavy duty plastic bag, bailer
or portable pump are some suitable means that meet the
resuirement..." ~ I'd never known of this regulation before.
Guess I'll throw a large "contractor" bag with some oil
absorbant pads into some unused corner.

This makes perfect sense.


It says impropper use of the (VHF) radio "is punishable by
a $10,000 fine, imprisonment for two years or both." It says
about negligent operation such as having "bowriding" that
you "mayb be fined up to $5,000, imprisioned for one year
or both." But about Boating Under the Influence it says,
"...violators are subject to a civil penalty of $1,000, or a
criminal penalty not to exced $5,000, one year
inprisonment or both. ~ Hmmmm.....so swearing
over the radio is worse than being negligent or drunk ???

Anyway.

The "improper use" clause makes sense, but the relative fines are a bit
odd.
But, maybe they want to leave the major DWI penalties up to the local
authorities. If a township or county is too stupid to apply the same
penalties as automotive DWI offenses, they deserve what they get.

Got a better one for you. In CT, the DUI limit is .08 for cars,
trucks, boats, etc. They finally got that all straightened out last
year.

However, the fines are different for boaters than drivers.

Gotta wonder, huh? :)

Later,

Tom


Let's see: If you're DWI in your car, drive too fast past a parked car, and
don't hit it, nothing happens to the occupants. If you boat too fast past a
stationary boat, but don't hit it, you might capsize that boat and
kill/injure people. I'm assuming the fine's LOWER for the boating DWI,
right? :-)

After visiting museums as a child, including Mystic Seaport, I'm reminded of
a colonial-era tradition that should be reinstated for use on stupid
lawmakers: the pillory.

Interesting Boating Rules
 

"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

Was in BoatUS the other day and picked up a free copy
of "Federal Requirements and Safety Tips for Recrecational
Boaters". Nearest I can tell the publishing date was 7/2001.

Anyway, two notes:


It says all vessels (even recreational vessels) that
have "propulsion machinery" (en engine) must have "a capacity
to retain oily mixtures on board and be equipped with a fixed
or portable means to discharge these. On recreational vessels,
a bucket, oil absorbant pads and heavy duty plastic bag, bailer
or portable pump are some suitable means that meet the
resuirement..." ~ I'd never known of this regulation before.
Guess I'll throw a large "contractor" bag with some oil
absorbant pads into some unused corner.

It says impropper use of the (VHF) radio "is punishable by
a $10,000 fine, imprisonment for two years or both." It says
about negligent operation such as having "bowriding" that
you "mayb be fined up to $5,000, imprisioned for one year
or both." But about Boating Under the Influence it says,
"...violators are subject to a civil penalty of $1,000, or a
criminal penalty not to exced $5,000, one year
inprisonment or both. ~ Hmmmm.....so swearing
over the radio is worse than being negligent or drunk ???

Anyway.



Improper use may be more likely a false Mayday. We had one of those
locally last year, but he kept up the transmission long enough to be found.
Bill

Interesting Boating Rules
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

Was in BoatUS the other day and picked up a free copy
of "Federal Requirements and Safety Tips for Recrecational
Boaters". Nearest I can tell the publishing date was 7/2001.

Anyway, two notes:


It says all vessels (even recreational vessels) that
have "propulsion machinery" (en engine) must have "a capacity
to retain oily mixtures on board and be equipped with a fixed
or portable means to discharge these. On recreational vessels,
a bucket, oil absorbant pads and heavy duty plastic bag, bailer
or portable pump are some suitable means that meet the
resuirement..." ~ I'd never known of this regulation before.
Guess I'll throw a large "contractor" bag with some oil
absorbant pads into some unused corner.

It says impropper use of the (VHF) radio "is punishable by
a $10,000 fine, imprisonment for two years or both." It says
about negligent operation such as having "bowriding" that
you "mayb be fined up to $5,000, imprisioned for one year
or both." But about Boating Under the Influence it says,
"...violators are subject to a civil penalty of $1,000, or a
criminal penalty not to exced $5,000, one year
inprisonment or both. ~ Hmmmm.....so swearing
over the radio is worse than being negligent or drunk ???

Anyway.



Improper use may be more likely a false Mayday. We had one of those
locally last year, but he kept up the transmission long enough to be
found.
Bill



Around here, we get groups of idiots who get into long discussions of "where
the fish am at", on channel 16. But, I understand how hard it can be to
change channels without poking one's eye out.

I'm sure if I made ten improper transmissions on marine VHF radio let's
say on ch.16 I could guarantee I would get the $10,000 fine, and
imprisonment for two years!" this I can count on.
BUT big Telemarketers can break the FCC laws 2000 times a day and nothing
comes of it for them.
Who is big brother watching out for? I'd go for a simple multiple guess quiz
you must pass before Marine VHF Radio purchase. Self education just doesn't
seem to work.

thanks for allowing me to bilge vent!

Regards,
Ron




"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Gary Warner" wrote in message
...

Was in BoatUS the other day and picked up a free copy
of "Federal Requirements and Safety Tips for Recrecational
Boaters". Nearest I can tell the publishing date was 7/2001.

Anyway, two notes:


It says all vessels (even recreational vessels) that
have "propulsion machinery" (en engine) must have "a capacity
to retain oily mixtures on board and be equipped with a fixed
or portable means to discharge these. On recreational vessels,
a bucket, oil absorbant pads and heavy duty plastic bag, bailer
or portable pump are some suitable means that meet the
resuirement..." ~ I'd never known of this regulation before.
Guess I'll throw a large "contractor" bag with some oil
absorbant pads into some unused corner.

This makes perfect sense.


It says impropper use of the (VHF) radio "is punishable by
a $10,000 fine, imprisonment for two years or both." It says
about negligent operation such as having "bowriding" that
you "mayb be fined up to $5,000, imprisioned for one year
or both." But about Boating Under the Influence it says,
"...violators are subject to a civil penalty of $1,000, or a
criminal penalty not to exced $5,000, one year
inprisonment or both. ~ Hmmmm.....so swearing
over the radio is worse than being negligent or drunk ???

Anyway.

The "improper use" clause makes sense, but the relative fines are a bit
odd.
But, maybe they want to leave the major DWI penalties up to the local
authorities. If a township or county is too stupid to apply the same
penalties as automotive DWI offenses, they deserve what they get.

I'm sure if I made ten improper transmissions on marine VHF radio let's
say on ch.16 I could guarantee I would get the $10,000 fine, and
imprisonment for two years!" this I can count on.

Not.

The CG seems to be "relaxing" the enforcement. And that's a shame.

We took a cruise to the south sound last weekend, and when returning on Sunday
we listened to some woman call the CG on 16, to report a lost dinghy. Without
switching to 22 or some appropriate channel, and without being requested to do
so by the CG, the conversation went like this:

Hello, CG? We can't find our dinghy this morning, and I want to know which way
the wind was blowing last night.

Where were you anchored?

Off Raft Island.

Let me check. (pause for 15 seconds). M'am, there was a south wind.

Does that mean the wind was blowing from
north to south?

(another pause for 15 seconds) M'am the wind was blowing out of the south,
toward the north.

Well, we've lost out dinghy, and it looks like this........ (on and on and on.
An actual emergency would have been SOL on 16)

(sheesh)

If they fined everybody who used 16 cluelessly or flagrantly abused the rules
$10,000 an incident, we'd no longer have a national debt.

Gould 0738 wrote:
I'm sure if I made ten improper transmissions on marine VHF radio let's
say on ch.16 I could guarantee I would get the $10,000 fine, and
imprisonment for two years!" this I can count on.

Not.

The CG seems to be "relaxing" the enforcement. And that's a shame.

We took a cruise to the south sound last weekend, and when returning on Sunday
we listened to some woman call the CG on 16, to report a lost dinghy. Without
switching to 22 or some appropriate channel, and without being requested to do
so by the CG, the conversation went like this:

Hello, CG? We can't find our dinghy this morning, and I want to know which way
the wind was blowing last night.

Where were you anchored?

Off Raft Island.

Let me check. (pause for 15 seconds). M'am, there was a south wind.

Does that mean the wind was blowing from
north to south?

(another pause for 15 seconds) M'am the wind was blowing out of the south,
toward the north.

Well, we've lost out dinghy, and it looks like this........ (on and on and on.
An actual emergency would have been SOL on 16)

(sheesh)

If they fined everybody who used 16 cluelessly or flagrantly abused the rules
$10,000 an incident, we'd no longer have a national debt.

I usually listen to 16 on the Bay. The Coasties are on the channel
frequently with reports of missing boats, or boats in trouble, et
cetera. Every so often, a boater will ask for a "radio check" while on
16, and usually the Coasties tell the boater to use another channel for
that. Perfectly appropriate for the Coasties to do that.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Marine VHF has become the CB of the 21st century

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:21:30 GMT, "NetWorkin"
wrote:

I'm sure if I made ten improper transmissions on marine VHF radio let's
say on ch.16 I could guarantee I would get the $10,000 fine, and
imprisonment for two years!" this I can count on.
BUT big Telemarketers can break the FCC laws 2000 times a day and nothing
comes of it for them.
Who is big brother watching out for? I'd go for a simple multiple guess quiz
you must pass before Marine VHF Radio purchase. Self education just doesn't
seem to work.

Actually two-way radio enforcement is not nearly as strict as you've
implied. If you transmit a deliberate false "mayday" you could get
into serious trouble (Assuming they were able to track you down). On
the other hand, simple protocol infractions are not treated with the
same earnest.

Being a ham radio operator, I see all sorts of rule infractions go by
on a daily basis. The basic fact of the matter is that the FCC is up
to their ears in issues to deal with, and they tend to prioritize
them. A few goofs on VHF marine are not enough to get the attention of
the FCC in most cases.

Dave

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:01:22 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


I usually listen to 16 on the Bay.

16 what...16 candles on your 17 year old portable cassette player,
while sitting on a dirty pickle bucket on shore, drinking a forty?

The Coasties are on the channel
frequently with reports of missing boats, or boats in trouble, et
cetera. Every so often, a boater will ask for a "radio check" while on
16, and usually the Coasties tell the boater to use another channel for
that. Perfectly appropriate for the Coasties to do that.

Not true. More proof you know nothing, and fabricate your boating
experience.

Many older radios are "rock bound", meaning they are crystal contolled
on 16. It is, and always has been, very common to get radio checks on
16.

Caught in another fabrication, you boatles twit...care to comment?

I thought not... [huge grin]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:02:36 GMT, Cleesturtle wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:01:22 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


I usually listen to 16 on the Bay.

16 what...16 candles on your 17 year old portable cassette player,
while sitting on a dirty pickle bucket on shore, drinking a forty?

The Coasties are on the channel
frequently with reports of missing boats, or boats in trouble, et
cetera. Every so often, a boater will ask for a "radio check" while on
16, and usually the Coasties tell the boater to use another channel for
that. Perfectly appropriate for the Coasties to do that.

Not true. More proof you know nothing, and fabricate your boating
experience.

Many older radios are "rock bound", meaning they are crystal contolled
on 16. It is, and always has been, very common to get radio checks on
16.

Caught in another fabrication, you boatles twit...care to comment?

I thought not... [huge grin]

I don't know about Harry, but I will. :)

Just out curiosity, because I haven't seen or worked on a marine vhf
radio in, hell, twenty years or so, I looked on the web for VHF
crystals. What do you know - they still make 'em!!!!

I didn't have the same luck looking for the radios, however.

I'd be curious how many of thie crystal controlled radios are still in
service....

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
-----------
"Angling may be said to be so
like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653