Removing battery
 

Hi,

I would like to remove the battery of our new 18' Sea Ray and store it
inside the house for awhile. The boat is now store inside the garage and
only has 15 hours in it. I am in Las Vegas and I know the temperature of
the garage shoots up to at least 130 to 140 during noon time. Its a wet
cell battery, I am worry that the battery is draining itself due to hot and
stuffy condition. The problem is I have never removed a car/marine battery
before and don't know the steps. I don't want to get shocked or damage the
engine of the boat. All I know is when I helped to jump start a dead
battery of a car one time, there were sparks on the booster cable clamps
when they touched each other. Would someome tell me the steps please. Also
for putting the battery back inside the boat.

Thanks
David
Las Vegas

Removing battery
 

"David" wrote in message
news:IAtOc.3059$8k.2586@fed1read03...
Hi,

I would like to remove the battery of our new 18' Sea Ray and store it
inside the house for awhile. The boat is now store inside the garage and
only has 15 hours in it. I am in Las Vegas and I know the temperature of
the garage shoots up to at least 130 to 140 during noon time. Its a wet
cell battery, I am worry that the battery is draining itself due to hot
and
stuffy condition. The problem is I have never removed a car/marine
battery
before and don't know the steps. I don't want to get shocked or damage the
engine of the boat. All I know is when I helped to jump start a dead
battery of a car one time, there were sparks on the booster cable clamps
when they touched each other. Would someome tell me the steps please.
Also
for putting the battery back inside the boat.

Thanks
David
Las Vegas

Removing battery
 

Turn everything off.

Consider gloves and goggles, (but most people don't screw around with 'em)

Remove the negative cable first, then the positive.

If you have a top post battery, there are some handy "straps" that hook onto
the posts and allow you to carry the battery.

When putting the battery back in, put the positive on first, and then the
negative.

Removing battery
 

What is the length of garage storage time at the 130f temps? Consider fuel
system gumming up as well.

"David" wrote in message
news:IAtOc.3059$8k.2586@fed1read03...
Hi,

I would like to remove the battery of our new 18' Sea Ray and store it
inside the house for awhile. The boat is now store inside the garage and
only has 15 hours in it. I am in Las Vegas and I know the temperature of
the garage shoots up to at least 130 to 140 during noon time. Its a wet
cell battery, I am worry that the battery is draining itself due to hot
and
stuffy condition. The problem is I have never removed a car/marine
battery
before and don't know the steps. I don't want to get shocked or damage the
engine of the boat. All I know is when I helped to jump start a dead
battery of a car one time, there were sparks on the booster cable clamps
when they touched each other. Would someome tell me the steps please.
Also
for putting the battery back inside the boat.

Thanks
David
Las Vegas

Removing battery
 

In article , gould0738
@aol.com says...

Remove the negative cable first, then the positive.

Chuck, can you explain why? I'd think it'd be safer to remove the
positive first...

jps

Removing battery
 

Hi,

Last time I took it to the lake was 06/26, it has been 1 month now, planning
not to use it in August as well. So altogether, it will be about 2 and 1/2
months. What is "fuel system gumming"?

David
Las Vegas

"Networkin" wrote in message
m...
What is the length of garage storage time at the 130f temps? Consider
fuel
system gumming up as well.

"David" wrote in message
news:IAtOc.3059$8k.2586@fed1read03...
Hi,

I would like to remove the battery of our new 18' Sea Ray and store it
inside the house for awhile. The boat is now store inside the garage
and
only has 15 hours in it. I am in Las Vegas and I know the temperature
of
the garage shoots up to at least 130 to 140 during noon time. Its a wet
cell battery, I am worry that the battery is draining itself due to hot
and
stuffy condition. The problem is I have never removed a car/marine
battery
before and don't know the steps. I don't want to get shocked or damage
the
engine of the boat. All I know is when I helped to jump start a dead
battery of a car one time, there were sparks on the booster cable clamps
when they touched each other. Would someome tell me the steps please.
Also
for putting the battery back inside the boat.

Thanks
David
Las Vegas

Removing battery
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article , gould0738
@aol.com says...

Remove the negative cable first, then the positive.

Chuck, can you explain why? I'd think it'd be safer to remove the
positive first...


On a boat it isn't as critical as on a car, but it still applies.

In a car, all the metal surrounding the battery will be at the "negative"
potential. If you put a wrench on the positive terminal, then rotate the
wrench as at it will go it will very often hit something metal. You have
now created a short from the positive terminal, through the wrench to the
frame of the car. Very, very bad things occur when this happens.

If you start by removing the negative terminal, then touching the wrench to
the frame is harmless because they are already at the same potential. Once
you have the negative terminal off the frame is no longer at any potential
with respect to the battery so the positive terminal is now safe.

Rod

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"David" wrote in message
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Hi,

The problem is I have never removed a car/marine battery
before and don't know the steps. I don't want to get shocked or damage the
engine of the boat.

You won't get shocked, at least not bad enough to really bother you. If you
are hot and sweaty and manage to get your forearm across the battery you
might feel a little tingle but it won't be dangerous. The battery is only
at 12 volts and it is generally accepted that voltages lower then 40 volts
are considered "safe".

The only thing that would hurt the engine is if you connected the battery
back up backwards, or if you disconnected the battery while the engine was
running. Make sure you identify the "positive" terminal on the battery (it
should have a big + next to it) and the positve battery cable (it should
be red).


All I know is when I helped to jump start a dead
battery of a car one time, there were sparks on the booster cable clamps
when they touched each other.

Letting the cables touch each other can be really bad! Don't do that!

Would someome tell me the steps please. Also
for putting the battery back inside the boat.

The battery is probably in a plastic box held down with a nylon web strap.

1)Unfasten the strap, lift the lid off the box.

2) There are three possible ways the battery is connected. The common
"marine" battery has large wing nuts that hold ring terminals down.
Standard, old fashion automotive type tapered post terminals are also
common. I have been seeing boats recently that use the new side terminals.

If you have wing nuts then you may need a pair of pliers to turn the nuts.
If you have the old style battery post terminals then you will need a 1/2"
wrench. I am not sure what the proper tool is for side terminals.

If you have a battery switch, turn it off. Start by removing the negative
cable from the battery (it should be black). Then remove the positive wire.

3) Once you have the battery disconnected it is a simple matter of lifting
it out and carrying it home. If it is a marine battery then it probably has
a carrying strap built in. If it doesn't have a strap, and it is in the
standard plastic battery box, just lift the entire box out and carry it
around in that.

What ever you do, DO NOT tip the battery on its side, it will leak acid!

I recommend carrying the battery on a piece of old carpet or similar
sacrificial pad. It is common for batteries to end up with trace amounts of
acid outside the case and this can do really bad things to your auto
seats/carpet. It can also do very bad things to your clothes so don't be
wearing expensive slacks.

Installation is the reverse of the above.

Rod

Removing battery
 

More info would be needed about your motor type Outboard?-- 2 cycle? --4
cycle? or Inboard? I'll try to give some sort of picture about gumming
fuel system..

Have you ever left a small amount of Soda Pop in the bottom of your glass
for a week? Great Glue!
It's sorta the same with the fuel supply line and inside the carburetor.
Tiny needle valves that may clog up with remaining fuel when you last shut
down the motor. Over period of time the fuel will dry leaving hard residue
and by adding the extreme garage temp does not help.

Suggestion, Start motor bi-weekly to avoid costly repairs. DO NOT RUN DRY.
water muffs you can purchase to fake the lake.

OH by the way,...battery is much cheaper than the marine mechanic.
try venting your garage with attic vents this could help with the 130 F
temp.

Regards,

----- Original Message -----
From: "David"
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:07 PM
Subject: Removing battery


| Hi,
|
| Last time I took it to the lake was 06/26, it has been 1 month now,
planning
| not to use it in August as well. So altogether, it will be about 2 and
1/2
| months. What is "fuel system gumming"?
|
| David
| Las Vegas
|
| "Networkin" wrote in message
| m...
| What is the length of garage storage time at the 130f temps? Consider
| fuel
| system gumming up as well.
|
| "David" wrote in message
| news:IAtOc.3059$8k.2586@fed1read03...
| Hi,
|
| I would like to remove the battery of our new 18' Sea Ray and store it
| inside the house for awhile. The boat is now store inside the garage
| and
| only has 15 hours in it. I am in Las Vegas and I know the temperature
| of
| the garage shoots up to at least 130 to 140 during noon time. Its a
wet
| cell battery, I am worry that the battery is draining itself due to
hot
| and
| stuffy condition. The problem is I have never removed a car/marine
| battery
| before and don't know the steps. I don't want to get shocked or damage
| the
| engine of the boat. All I know is when I helped to jump start a dead
| battery of a car one time, there were sparks on the booster cable
clamps
| when they touched each other. Would someome tell me the steps please.
| Also
| for putting the battery back inside the boat.
|
| Thanks
| David
| Las Vegas
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
"David" wrote in message
news:UUwOc.3164$8k.1765@fed1read03...
Hi,

Last time I took it to the lake was 06/26, it has been 1 month now,
planning
not to use it in August as well. So altogether, it will be about 2 and
1/2
months. What is "fuel system gumming"?

David
Las Vegas

"Networkin" wrote in message
m...
What is the length of garage storage time at the 130f temps? Consider
fuel
system gumming up as well.

"David" wrote in message
news:IAtOc.3059$8k.2586@fed1read03...
Hi,

I would like to remove the battery of our new 18' Sea Ray and store it
inside the house for awhile. The boat is now store inside the garage
and
only has 15 hours in it. I am in Las Vegas and I know the temperature
of
the garage shoots up to at least 130 to 140 during noon time. Its a
wet
cell battery, I am worry that the battery is draining itself due to
hot
and
stuffy condition. The problem is I have never removed a car/marine
battery
before and don't know the steps. I don't want to get shocked or damage
the
engine of the boat. All I know is when I helped to jump start a dead
battery of a car one time, there were sparks on the booster cable
clamps
when they touched each other. Would someome tell me the steps please.
Also
for putting the battery back inside the boat.

Thanks
David
Las Vegas

Removing battery
 

Why? Do you remove your battery from your car or truck and it's just a few
inches away from a 200* engine.

"David" wrote in message
news:IAtOc.3059$8k.2586@fed1read03...
Hi,

I would like to remove the battery of our new 18' Sea Ray and store it
inside the house for awhile. The boat is now store inside the garage and
only has 15 hours in it. I am in Las Vegas and I know the temperature of
the garage shoots up to at least 130 to 140 during noon time. Its a wet
cell battery, I am worry that the battery is draining itself due to hot
and
stuffy condition. The problem is I have never removed a car/marine
battery
before and don't know the steps. I don't want to get shocked or damage the
engine of the boat. All I know is when I helped to jump start a dead
battery of a car one time, there were sparks on the booster cable clamps
when they touched each other. Would someome tell me the steps please.
Also
for putting the battery back inside the boat.

Thanks
David
Las Vegas

Removing battery
 

In article ,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article , gould0738
@aol.com says...

Remove the negative cable first, then the positive.

Chuck, can you explain why? I'd think it'd be safer to remove the
positive first...


On a boat it isn't as critical as on a car, but it still applies.

In a car, all the metal surrounding the battery will be at the "negative"
potential. If you put a wrench on the positive terminal, then rotate the
wrench as at it will go it will very often hit something metal. You have
now created a short from the positive terminal, through the wrench to the
frame of the car. Very, very bad things occur when this happens.

If you start by removing the negative terminal, then touching the wrench to
the frame is harmless because they are already at the same potential. Once
you have the negative terminal off the frame is no longer at any potential
with respect to the battery so the positive terminal is now safe.

Rod

Makes perfect sense. Thanks.

Removing battery
 

Pretty much all the below advice for removing is good. Follow any one of
these. However, I haven't yet seen anyone mention storage of the battery
once it is out. Do not store it on the floor, especially a ground floor.
Store it on a wooden shelf or at least put a piece of plywood under it
wherever you store it. Over time a battery can discharge itself (albeit
slowly) through the floor, especially on ground floors and even more
especially on ground floors wth a base of cement. A piece of wood (or any
insulating material) will prevent this. In any case before reconnecting it,
it is wise to check the charge and/or recharge the battery if necessary. And
in any case common sense is the key here.

The advice about the fuel system gumming up is good to follow as well.

Chris K.

"David" wrote in message
news:IAtOc.3059$8k.2586@fed1read03...
Hi,

I would like to remove the battery of our new 18' Sea Ray and store it
inside the house for awhile. The boat is now store inside the garage and
only has 15 hours in it. I am in Las Vegas and I know the temperature of
the garage shoots up to at least 130 to 140 during noon time. Its a wet
cell battery, I am worry that the battery is draining itself due to hot
and
stuffy condition. The problem is I have never removed a car/marine
battery
before and don't know the steps. I don't want to get shocked or damage the
engine of the boat. All I know is when I helped to jump start a dead
battery of a car one time, there were sparks on the booster cable clamps
when they touched each other. Would someome tell me the steps please.
Also
for putting the battery back inside the boat.

Thanks
David
Las Vegas

Removing battery
 

Hi,

I have a 3.0L Mercruiser Alpha 1 I/O engine.

Thanks,
David

"Networkin" wrote in message
...
More info would be needed about your motor type Outboard?-- 2 cycle? --4
cycle? or Inboard? I'll try to give some sort of picture about gumming
fuel system..

Have you ever left a small amount of Soda Pop in the bottom of your glass
for a week? Great Glue!
It's sorta the same with the fuel supply line and inside the carburetor.
Tiny needle valves that may clog up with remaining fuel when you last shut
down the motor. Over period of time the fuel will dry leaving hard residue
and by adding the extreme garage temp does not help.

Suggestion, Start motor bi-weekly to avoid costly repairs. DO NOT RUN DRY.
water muffs you can purchase to fake the lake.

OH by the way,...battery is much cheaper than the marine mechanic.
try venting your garage with attic vents this could help with the 130 F
temp.

Regards,

----- Original Message -----
From: "David"
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:07 PM
Subject: Removing battery


| Hi,
|
| Last time I took it to the lake was 06/26, it has been 1 month now,
planning
| not to use it in August as well. So altogether, it will be about 2 and
1/2
| months. What is "fuel system gumming"?
|
| David
| Las Vegas
|
| "Networkin" wrote in message
| m...
| What is the length of garage storage time at the 130f temps? Consider
| fuel
| system gumming up as well.
|
| "David" wrote in message
| news:IAtOc.3059$8k.2586@fed1read03...
| Hi,
|
| I would like to remove the battery of our new 18' Sea Ray and store
it
| inside the house for awhile. The boat is now store inside the
garage
| and
| only has 15 hours in it. I am in Las Vegas and I know the
temperature
| of
| the garage shoots up to at least 130 to 140 during noon time. Its a
wet
| cell battery, I am worry that the battery is draining itself due to
hot
| and
| stuffy condition. The problem is I have never removed a car/marine
| battery
| before and don't know the steps. I don't want to get shocked or
damage
| the
| engine of the boat. All I know is when I helped to jump start a
dead
| battery of a car one time, there were sparks on the booster cable
clamps
| when they touched each other. Would someome tell me the steps
please.
| Also
| for putting the battery back inside the boat.
|
| Thanks
| David
| Las Vegas
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
"David" wrote in message
news:UUwOc.3164$8k.1765@fed1read03...
Hi,

Last time I took it to the lake was 06/26, it has been 1 month now,
planning
not to use it in August as well. So altogether, it will be about 2 and
1/2
months. What is "fuel system gumming"?

David
Las Vegas

"Networkin" wrote in message
m...
What is the length of garage storage time at the 130f temps? Consider
fuel
system gumming up as well.

"David" wrote in message
news:IAtOc.3059$8k.2586@fed1read03...
Hi,

I would like to remove the battery of our new 18' Sea Ray and store
it
inside the house for awhile. The boat is now store inside the
garage
and
only has 15 hours in it. I am in Las Vegas and I know the
temperature
of
the garage shoots up to at least 130 to 140 during noon time. Its a
wet
cell battery, I am worry that the battery is draining itself due to
hot
and
stuffy condition. The problem is I have never removed a car/marine
battery
before and don't know the steps. I don't want to get shocked or
damage
the
engine of the boat. All I know is when I helped to jump start a
dead
battery of a car one time, there were sparks on the booster cable
clamps
when they touched each other. Would someome tell me the steps
please.
Also
for putting the battery back inside the boat.

Thanks
David
Las Vegas

Removing battery
 

Hi,

I think it is different kind of batteries here. Batteries for auto are
mostly gel cell type. They are maintenance free and the electricity doesn't
discharge fast during hot weather. Most RV/Marine batteries are wet cells
type with water inside. If under constant hot weather, the water inside
each cell will evaporate faster and this means the electricity will be
discharged faster. This is all I know why you don't remove the battery from
your auto which is only a few inches from the hot engine. And also the
front of the automobile has a big grill but not a boat. For the boat, the
battery is always hide under the deck of a seat and has limited ventilation.

David

"Woodchuck" wrote in message
...
Why? Do you remove your battery from your car or truck and it's just a few
inches away from a 200* engine.

"David" wrote in message
news:IAtOc.3059$8k.2586@fed1read03...
Hi,

I would like to remove the battery of our new 18' Sea Ray and store it
inside the house for awhile. The boat is now store inside the garage
and
only has 15 hours in it. I am in Las Vegas and I know the temperature
of
the garage shoots up to at least 130 to 140 during noon time. Its a wet
cell battery, I am worry that the battery is draining itself due to hot
and
stuffy condition. The problem is I have never removed a car/marine
battery
before and don't know the steps. I don't want to get shocked or damage
the
engine of the boat. All I know is when I helped to jump start a dead
battery of a car one time, there were sparks on the booster cable clamps
when they touched each other. Would someome tell me the steps please.
Also
for putting the battery back inside the boat.

Thanks
David
Las Vegas

Removing battery
 

Hi,

Last time I took it to the lake was 06/26, it has been 1 month now, planning
not to use it in August as well. So altogether, it will be about 2 and 1/2
months. What is "fuel system gumming"? Is it necessary for the hot temp.
inside the garage. I have 3.0L Mercruiser Alpha 1 I/O engine. Thanks

David
Las Vegas

"Networkin" wrote in message
m...
What is the length of garage storage time at the 130f temps? Consider
fuel
system gumming up as well.

"David" wrote in message
news:IAtOc.3059$8k.2586@fed1read03...
Hi,

I would like to remove the battery of our new 18' Sea Ray and store it
inside the house for awhile. The boat is now store inside the garage
and
only has 15 hours in it. I am in Las Vegas and I know the temperature
of
the garage shoots up to at least 130 to 140 during noon time. Its a wet
cell battery, I am worry that the battery is draining itself due to hot
and
stuffy condition. The problem is I have never removed a car/marine
battery
before and don't know the steps. I don't want to get shocked or damage
the
engine of the boat. All I know is when I helped to jump start a dead
battery of a car one time, there were sparks on the booster cable clamps
when they touched each other. Would someome tell me the steps please.
Also
for putting the battery back inside the boat.

Thanks
David
Las Vegas

Removing battery
 

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:21:49 -0700, "David" wrote:
Last time I took it to the lake was 06/26, it has been 1 month now, planning
not to use it in August as well. So altogether, it will be about 2 and 1/2
months. What is "fuel system gumming"? Is it necessary for the hot temp.
inside the garage. I have 3.0L Mercruiser Alpha 1 I/O engine. Thanks

================================================== ======

You should have no issues with either fuel or batteries over a 2 or 3
month idle interval, regardless of garage temperature. For over 6
months, I would add some fuel stabilizer to the tank prior to your
last run. That will ensure that the stabilizer reaches the engine(s).

Removing battery
 

"christopher krigbaum" wrote in message
.com...
Do not store it on the floor, especially a ground floor.
Store it on a wooden shelf or at least put a piece of plywood under it
wherever you store it.


This is an old urban myth!

What is inside the battery is acid and water, so if the case of the battery
can withstand that harsh stuff a little moisture from the ground is not
going to hurt it at all. In your car the battery usually sits on a metal
plate and is held down by a metal strap. If there was any "leakage" across
the battery case it would happen much faster in your car then if the battery
was sitting on the ground.

Keep it from freezing, keep it charged, and don't let it tip over and it
will be fine.

Rod

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Rod is correct!
http://www.ibsa.com/www_2001/content...ce/storing.htm

--
Bill
Chesapeake, Va


"Rod McInnis" wrote in message
...

"christopher krigbaum" wrote in message
.com...
Do not store it on the floor, especially a ground floor.
Store it on a wooden shelf or at least put a piece of plywood under it
wherever you store it.


This is an old urban myth!

What is inside the battery is acid and water, so if the case of the
battery
can withstand that harsh stuff a little moisture from the ground is not
going to hurt it at all. In your car the battery usually sits on a metal
plate and is held down by a metal strap. If there was any "leakage"
across
the battery case it would happen much faster in your car then if the
battery
was sitting on the ground.

Keep it from freezing, keep it charged, and don't let it tip over and it
will be fine.

Rod