Finally got my appointment...
On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 8:03:14 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message:r On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:28:11 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:47:31 -0400, John wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:23:40 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:01:38 -0400, John wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:30:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:19:44 -0400, John wrote: Trump ought to end up in prison for the various horrors he perpetrated on this country.Wayne probably agrees wholeheartedly with that, even though it's bull****.===That will eventually be decided by the justice system, not by internetdiscussion groups. I've always considered you to be a "law and order"type of guy so I find it interesting that you're so quick to dismissTrump's questionable behavior just because you support his policygoals.Trump perpetrated no 'horrors' upon this country.===That will eventually be determined by the justice system. It seemslikely that neither your opinion, Harry's, or mine will have mucheffect on the outcome.You think the justice system may find him guilty of 'perpetuating horrors onthis country'? You must have a broad definition of 'horror'. A lot of propertyowners and folks experienced *real* horror during the riots this past summer. Ofcourse, those were just 'peaceful protests'. Bull****.And, FWIW, I dismiss none of Trump's illegal activities (once adjudicated assuch) regardless of my support for his policy goals.===I think that if you look back at the origin of this thread you'll findthat "horror" was Harry's choice of words, not mine. That said, Iregard any attempt to subvert a free and valid election, which thecourts have ruled, to be very serious. Hopefully you do also.The riots of last summer, and the resulting damage, are a totallyseparate issue. It could be argued however that Trump's inflammatoryrhetoric was at least partially responsible. Loose cannons rollingaround on deck can do a lot of damage. (please note clever boatingreference)If this was the first time cities burned, I might agree with you. Letssee if you blame Biden in a week when Minneapolis goes up in flames. I'm sure that the Floyd family will donate a substantial amount of the 27 million to rebuilding the destruction that will be done in Floyds behalf. I bet Crump took $13.5 million of it already. Just for fun, let's take a perfectly healthy white cop who has never had a drink or taken opioids or had a tough life and have a big guy step on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds and see what happens... Why a big guy? Floyd outweighed the cop by at least 75 lbs and several inches of muscle. Look at the video again... the cop has some skinny arms. Floyd was bulked up. He must have been working out between hits on the crack pipe. His size was referenced as one of the reasons the cops had to subdue him. Besides, the medical examiner has already said that he didn't die from asphyxiation. His heart gave out from an overdose and years of abuse. In your fantasy situation said cop would walk away. So would have Floyd if he'd laid of the drugs and had just gotten into the car. Did anyone notice that Floyd said he didn't want to be in the cop car because he was claustrophobic? Did everyone forget the fact that the police got him out of a car to begin with? One he was passed out in and was with his drug dealer? And then there's this: "A key witness in the trial of Derek Chauvin is threatening to invoke his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination because his lawyer contends anything he says about his alleged drug activity with George Floyd could leave him vulnerable to being charged with third-degree murder in the death of the 46-year-old Black man. Morries Hall, currently in jail, appeared via Zoom at a court hearing on Tuesday morning in which his attorney argued he has no immunity from prosecution that stems from testimony about his and Floyd's behavior while seated in a Mercedes Benz SUV shortly before police arrived on May 25 and arrested Floyd. In his opening statement last week, Chauvin's attorney, Eric Nelson, told the jury they would hear from Hall, who has been identified during trial testimony as an alleged drug dealer from whom Floyd obtained narcotics. "This will include evidence that while they were in the car, Mr. Floyd consumed what were thought to be two Percoset [painkiller] pills," Nelson said during his opening statement, naming Hall and Shawanda Hill, Floyd's former girlfriend, as passengers in the SUV with Floyd outside the Cup Foods prior to police arriving on scene. Police were called to the store after Floyd allegedly used a phony $20 bill to purchase a pack of cigarettes. "Mr. Floyd's friends will explain that Mr. Floyd fell asleep in the car and that they couldn't wake him up to get going, that they thought the police might be coming because now the store [employees] were coming out," Nelson said. Nelson has been attempting to undermine the prosecution's primary allegation that Chauvin killed Floyd by burying his knee in the man's neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds, cutting off blood to his brain. Nelson has countered that a combination of the powerful drugs fentanyl and methamphetamine, both found in Floyd's system during an autopsy, and undetected heart disease is what killed the man, making Hall a valuable witness to Chauvin's defense.." Fentanyl, methamphetamine and Percoset. Yeah, it was a knee on his shoulder blade that killed him. Uh-huh. |
Finally got my appointment...
On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:56:32 AM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:24:53 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:20:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:01:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:03:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message:r On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:28:11 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:47:31 -0400, John wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:23:40 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:01:38 -0400, John wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:30:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:19:44 -0400, John wrote: Trump ought to end up in prison for the various horrors he perpetrated on this country.Wayne probably agrees wholeheartedly with that, even though it's bull****.===That will eventually be decided by the justice system, not by internetdiscussion groups. I've always considered you to be a "law and order"type of guy so I find it interesting that you're so quick to dismissTrump's questionable behavior just because you support his policygoals.Trump perpetrated no 'horrors' upon this country.===That will eventually be determined by the justice system. It seemslikely that neither your opinion, Harry's, or mine will have mucheffect on the outcome.You think the justice system may find him guilty of 'perpetuating horrors onthis country'? You must have a broad definition of 'horror'. A lot of propertyowners and folks experienced *real* horror during the riots this past summer. Ofcourse, those were just 'peaceful protests'. Bull****.And, FWIW, I dismiss none of Trump's illegal activities (once adjudicated assuch) regardless of my support for his policy goals.===I think that if you look back at the origin of this thread you'll findthat "horror" was Harry's choice of words, not mine. That said, Iregard any attempt to subvert a free and valid election, which thecourts have ruled, to be very serious. Hopefully you do also.The riots of last summer, and the resulting damage, are a totallyseparate issue. It could be argued however that Trump's inflammatoryrhetoric was at least partially responsible. Loose cannons rollingaround on deck can do a lot of damage. (please note clever boatingreference)If this was the first time cities burned, I might agree with you. Letssee if you blame Biden in a week when Minneapolis goes up in flames. I'm sure that the Floyd family will donate a substantial amount of the 27 million to rebuilding the destruction that will be done in Floyds behalf. I bet Crump took $13.5 million of it already. Just for fun, let's take a perfectly healthy white cop who has never had a drink or taken opioids or had a tough life and have a big guy step on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds and see what happens... Since there was no sign of trauma and asphyxiation in the original autopsy report, nothing. He was just restrained. I also pointed out, if he had at any time said "I give up, I will get in the car" the whole thing would have been over. If you fight with the cops or refuse to obey a lawful order from them bad **** happens. It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. |
Finally got my appointment...
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 06:42:32 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:56:32 AM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:24:53 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:20:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:01:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:03:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message:r On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:28:11 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:47:31 -0400, John wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:23:40 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:01:38 -0400, John wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:30:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:19:44 -0400, John wrote: Trump ought to end up in prison for the various horrors he perpetrated on this country.Wayne probably agrees wholeheartedly with that, even though it's bull****.===That will eventually be decided by the justice system, not by internetdiscussion groups. I've always considered you to be a "law and order"type of guy so I find it interesting that you're so quick to dismissTrump's questionable behavior just because you support his policygoals.Trump perpetrated no 'horrors' upon this country.===That will eventually be determined by the justice system. It seemslikely that neither your opinion, Harry's, or mine will have mucheffect on the outcome.You think the justice system may find him guilty of 'perpetuating horrors onthis country'? You must have a broad definition of 'horror'. A lot of propertyowners and folks experienced *real* horror during the riots this past summer. Ofcourse, those were just 'peaceful protests'. Bull****.And, FWIW, I dismiss none of Trump's illegal activities (once adjudicated assuch) regardless of my support for his policy goals.===I think that if you look back at the origin of this thread you'll findthat "horror" was Harry's choice of words, not mine. That said, Iregard any attempt to subvert a free and valid election, which thecourts have ruled, to be very serious. Hopefully you do also.The riots of last summer, and the resulting damage, are a totallyseparate issue. It could be argued however that Trump's inflammatoryrhetoric was at least partially responsible. Loose cannons rollingaround on deck can do a lot of damage. (please note clever boatingreference)If this was the first time cities burned, I might agree with you. Letssee if you blame Biden in a week when Minneapolis goes up in flames. I'm sure that the Floyd family will donate a substantial amount of the 27 million to rebuilding the destruction that will be done in Floyds behalf. I bet Crump took $13.5 million of it already. Just for fun, let's take a perfectly healthy white cop who has never had a drink or taken opioids or had a tough life and have a big guy step on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds and see what happens... Since there was no sign of trauma and asphyxiation in the original autopsy report, nothing. He was just restrained. I also pointed out, if he had at any time said "I give up, I will get in the car" the whole thing would have been over. If you fight with the cops or refuse to obey a lawful order from them bad **** happens. It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? |
Finally got my appointment...
Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:24:53 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:20:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:01:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:03:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message:r On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:28:11 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:47:31 -0400, John wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:23:40 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:01:38 -0400, John wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:30:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:19:44 -0400, John wrote: Trump ought to end up in prison for the various horrors he perpetrated on this country.Wayne probably agrees wholeheartedly with that, even though it's bull****.===That will eventually be decided by the justice system, not by internetdiscussion groups. I've always considered you to be a "law and order"type of guy so I find it interesting that you're so quick to dismissTrump's questionable behavior just because you support his policygoals.Trump perpetrated no 'horrors' upon this country.===That will eventually be determined by the justice system. It seemslikely that neither your opinion, Harry's, or mine will have mucheffect on the outcome.You think the justice system may find him guilty of 'perpetuating horrors this country'? You must have a broad definition of 'horror'. A lot of propertyowners and folks experienced *real* horror during the riots this past summer. Ofcourse, those were just 'peaceful protests'. Bull****.And, FWIW, I dismiss none of Trump's illegal activities (once adjudicated assuch) regardless of my support for his policy goals.===I think that if you look back at the origin of this thread you'll findthat "horror" was Harry's choice of words, not mine. That said, Iregard any attempt to subvert a free and valid election, which thecourts have ruled, to be very serious. Hopefully you do also.The riots of last summer, and the resulting damage, are a totallyseparate issue. It could be argued however that Trump's inflammatoryrhetoric was at least partially responsible. Loose cannons rollingaround on deck can do a lot of damage. (please note clever boatingreference)If this was the first time cities burned, I might agree with you. Letssee if you blame Biden in a week when Minneapolis goes up in flames. I'm sure that the Floyd family will donate a substantial amount of the 27 million to rebuilding the destruction that will be done in Floyds behalf. I bet Crump took $13.5 million of it already. Just for fun, let's take a perfectly healthy white cop who has never had a drink or taken opioids or had a tough life and have a big guy step on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds and see what happens... Since there was no sign of trauma and asphyxiation in the original autopsy report, nothing. He was just restrained. I also pointed out, if he had at any time said "I give up, I will get in the car" the whole thing would have been over. If you fight with the cops or refuse to obey a lawful order from them bad **** happens. It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. When did trespassing become a capital offense? |
Finally got my appointment...
On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 10:18:59 AM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 06:42:32 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:56:32 AM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:24:53 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:20:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:01:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:03:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message:r On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:28:11 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:47:31 -0400, John wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:23:40 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:01:38 -0400, John wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:30:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:19:44 -0400, John wrote: Trump ought to end up in prison for the various horrors he perpetrated on this country.Wayne probably agrees wholeheartedly with that, even though it's bull****.===That will eventually be decided by the justice system, not by internetdiscussion groups.. I've always considered you to be a "law and order"type of guy so I find it interesting that you're so quick to dismissTrump's questionable behavior just because you support his policygoals.Trump perpetrated no 'horrors' upon this country.===That will eventually be determined by the justice system. It seemslikely that neither your opinion, Harry's, or mine will have mucheffect on the outcome.You think the justice system may find him guilty of 'perpetuating horrors onthis country'? You must have a broad definition of 'horror'. A lot of propertyowners and folks experienced *real* horror during the riots this past summer. Ofcourse, those were just 'peaceful protests'. Bull****.And, FWIW, I dismiss none of Trump's illegal activities (once adjudicated assuch) regardless of my support for his policy goals.===I think that if you look back at the origin of this thread you'll findthat "horror" was Harry's choice of words, not mine. That said, Iregard any attempt to subvert a free and valid election, which thecourts have ruled, to be very serious. Hopefully you do also.The riots of last summer, and the resulting damage, are a totallyseparate issue. It could be argued however that Trump's inflammatoryrhetoric was at least partially responsible. Loose cannons rollingaround on deck can do a lot of damage. (please note clever boatingreference)If this was the first time cities burned, I might agree with you. Letssee if you blame Biden in a week when Minneapolis goes up in flames. I'm sure that the Floyd family will donate a substantial amount of the 27 million to rebuilding the destruction that will be done in Floyds behalf. I bet Crump took $13.5 million of it already. Just for fun, let's take a perfectly healthy white cop who has never had a drink or taken opioids or had a tough life and have a big guy step on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds and see what happens... Since there was no sign of trauma and asphyxiation in the original autopsy report, nothing. He was just restrained. I also pointed out, if he had at any time said "I give up, I will get in the car" the whole thing would have been over. If you fight with the cops or refuse to obey a lawful order from them bad **** happens. It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. |
Finally got my appointment...
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? The Capital is "our" house, and is open to the public except for Sundays and certain holidays. As Justan points out, since when is attempted trespassing a capital offence? You're starting to sound like what you accuse Trump of being. === Breaking and entering is regarded as much more serious than simple trespass. And the mob, which she was a part of, was demonstrating violent behavior and had already broken through other barriers. The armed guards had locked the doors and were attempting to provide safety for members of congress. Try forcing yourself onto a nuclear submarine sometime, claiming that as a citizen, it is your boat. Send us a postcard and let us know how it went. |
Finally got my appointment...
On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:22:04 PM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? The Capital is "our" house, and is open to the public except for Sundays and certain holidays. As Justan points out, since when is attempted trespassing a capital offence? You're starting to sound like what you accuse Trump of being. === Breaking and entering is regarded as much more serious than simple trespass. And the mob, which she was a part of, was demonstrating violent behavior and had already broken through other barriers. The armed guards had locked the doors and were attempting to provide safety for members of congress. Try forcing yourself onto a nuclear submarine sometime, claiming that as a citizen, it is your boat. Send us a postcard and let us know how it went. Shoot and kill an unarmed person breaking and entering you home in many states, and you'll go to jail. Oh, and she hadn't even entered. She was looking through a broken window that she didn't break. The fact that no other protesters were shot and killed is very telling. The cop screwed up, big time. A nuclear sub has no public touring hours, and is hardly the same. Nice try, though. Look, I don't agree with the actions the protesters took. But the cop shot an unarmed person with no evidence that she intended to inflict anyone any harm. The only reason DC didn't burn is because her skin is white. That's a fact. |
Finally got my appointment...
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:22:04 PM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? The Capital is "our" house, and is open to the public except for Sundays and certain holidays. As Justan points out, since when is attempted trespassing a capital offence? You're starting to sound like what you accuse Trump of being. === Breaking and entering is regarded as much more serious than simple trespass. And the mob, which she was a part of, was demonstrating violent behavior and had already broken through other barriers. The armed guards had locked the doors and were attempting to provide safety for members of congress. Try forcing yourself onto a nuclear submarine sometime, claiming that as a citizen, it is your boat. Send us a postcard and let us know how it went. Shoot and kill an unarmed person breaking and entering you home in many states, and you'll go to jail. Oh, and she hadn't even entered. She was looking through a broken window that she didn't break. The fact that no other protesters were shot and killed is very telling. The cop screwed up, big time. A nuclear sub has no public touring hours, and is hardly the same. Nice try, though. Look, I don't agree with the actions the protesters took. But the cop shot an unarmed person with no evidence that she intended to inflict anyone any harm. The only reason DC didn't burn is because her skin is white. That's a fact. === Mobs take on a life of their own and bad things result. My maternal grandmother, born in 1890, always had a simple explanation: If she hadn't been there it wouldn't have happened. |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 08:56:26 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:24:53 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:20:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:01:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:03:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message:r On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:28:11 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:47:31 -0400, John wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:23:40 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:01:38 -0400, John wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:30:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:19:44 -0400, John wrote: Trump ought to end up in prison for the various horrors he perpetrated on this country.Wayne probably agrees wholeheartedly with that, even though it's bull****.===That will eventually be decided by the justice system, not by internetdiscussion groups. I've always considered you to be a "law and order"type of guy so I find it interesting that you're so quick to dismissTrump's questionable behavior just because you support his policygoals.Trump perpetrated no 'horrors' upon this country.===That will eventually be determined by the justice system. It seemslikely that neither your opinion, Harry's, or mine will have mucheffect on the outcome.You think the justice system may find him guilty of 'perpetuating horrors onthis country'? You must have a broad definition of 'horror'. A lot of propertyowners and folks experienced *real* horror during the riots this past summer. Ofcourse, those were just 'peaceful protests'. Bull****.And, FWIW, I dismiss none of Trump's illegal activities (once adjudicated assuch) regardless of my support for his policy goals.===I think that if you look back at the origin of this thread you'll findthat "horror" was Harry's choice of words, not mine. That said, Iregard any attempt to subvert a free and valid election, which thecourts have ruled, to be very serious. Hopefully you do also.The riots of last summer, and the resulting damage, are a totallyseparate issue. It could be argued however that Trump's inflammatoryrhetoric was at least partially responsible. Loose cannons rollingaround on deck can do a lot of damage. (please note clever boatingreference)If this was the first time cities burned, I might agree with you. Letssee if you blame Biden in a week when Minneapolis goes up in flames. I'm sure that the Floyd family will donate a substantial amount of the 27 million to rebuilding the destruction that will be done in Floyds behalf. I bet Crump took $13.5 million of it already. Just for fun, let's take a perfectly healthy white cop who has never had a drink or taken opioids or had a tough life and have a big guy step on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds and see what happens... Since there was no sign of trauma and asphyxiation in the original autopsy report, nothing. He was just restrained. I also pointed out, if he had at any time said "I give up, I will get in the car" the whole thing would have been over. If you fight with the cops or refuse to obey a lawful order from them bad **** happens. It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. Not defending her behavior at all. It was wrong and she should have been justly punished for it - not killed. What I'm defending is the truth. You and others here insist on spreading bull****. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 10:18:54 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 06:42:32 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:56:32 AM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:24:53 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:20:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:01:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:03:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message:r On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:28:11 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:47:31 -0400, John wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:23:40 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:01:38 -0400, John wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:30:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:19:44 -0400, John wrote: Trump ought to end up in prison for the various horrors he perpetrated on this country.Wayne probably agrees wholeheartedly with that, even though it's bull****.===That will eventually be decided by the justice system, not by internetdiscussion groups. I've always considered you to be a "law and order"type of guy so I find it interesting that you're so quick to dismissTrump's questionable behavior just because you support his policygoals.Trump perpetrated no 'horrors' upon this country.===That will eventually be determined by the justice system. It seemslikely that neither your opinion, Harry's, or mine will have mucheffect on the outcome.You think the justice system may find him guilty of 'perpetuating horrors onthis country'? You must have a broad definition of 'horror'. A lot of propertyowners and folks experienced *real* horror during the riots this past summer. Ofcourse, those were just 'peaceful protests'. Bull****.And, FWIW, I dismiss none of Trump's illegal activities (once adjudicated assuch) regardless of my support for his policy goals.===I think that if you look back at the origin of this thread you'll findthat "horror" was Harry's choice of words, not mine. That said, Iregard any attempt to subvert a free and valid election, which thecourts have ruled, to be very serious. Hopefully you do also.The riots of last summer, and the resulting damage, are a totallyseparate issue. It could be argued however that Trump's inflammatoryrhetoric was at least partially responsible. Loose cannons rollingaround on deck can do a lot of damage. (please note clever boatingreference)If this was the first time cities burned, I might agree with you. Letssee if you blame Biden in a week when Minneapolis goes up in flames. I'm sure that the Floyd family will donate a substantial amount of the 27 million to rebuilding the destruction that will be done in Floyds behalf. I bet Crump took $13.5 million of it already. Just for fun, let's take a perfectly healthy white cop who has never had a drink or taken opioids or had a tough life and have a big guy step on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds and see what happens... Since there was no sign of trauma and asphyxiation in the original autopsy report, nothing. He was just restrained. I also pointed out, if he had at any time said "I give up, I will get in the car" the whole thing would have been over. If you fight with the cops or refuse to obey a lawful order from them bad **** happens. It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? Both guilty of the attempt. Neither would deserve killing. Your attitude is remarkable. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 17:54:14 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:22:04 PM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? The Capital is "our" house, and is open to the public except for Sundays and certain holidays. As Justan points out, since when is attempted trespassing a capital offence? You're starting to sound like what you accuse Trump of being. === Breaking and entering is regarded as much more serious than simple trespass. And the mob, which she was a part of, was demonstrating violent behavior and had already broken through other barriers. The armed guards had locked the doors and were attempting to provide safety for members of congress. Try forcing yourself onto a nuclear submarine sometime, claiming that as a citizen, it is your boat. Send us a postcard and let us know how it went. Shoot and kill an unarmed person breaking and entering you home in many states, and you'll go to jail. Oh, and she hadn't even entered. She was looking through a broken window that she didn't break. The fact that no other protesters were shot and killed is very telling. The cop screwed up, big time. A nuclear sub has no public touring hours, and is hardly the same. Nice try, though. Look, I don't agree with the actions the protesters took. But the cop shot an unarmed person with no evidence that she intended to inflict anyone any harm. The only reason DC didn't burn is because her skin is white. That's a fact. === Mobs take on a life of their own and bad things result. My maternal grandmother, born in 1890, always had a simple explanation: If she hadn't been there it wouldn't have happened. Same with George Floyd. You're ridiculous, Wayne. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 17:54:14 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:22:04 PM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? The Capital is "our" house, and is open to the public except for Sundays and certain holidays. As Justan points out, since when is attempted trespassing a capital offence? You're starting to sound like what you accuse Trump of being. === Breaking and entering is regarded as much more serious than simple trespass. And the mob, which she was a part of, was demonstrating violent behavior and had already broken through other barriers. The armed guards had locked the doors and were attempting to provide safety for members of congress. Try forcing yourself onto a nuclear submarine sometime, claiming that as a citizen, it is your boat. Send us a postcard and let us know how it went. Shoot and kill an unarmed person breaking and entering you home in many states, and you'll go to jail. Oh, and she hadn't even entered. She was looking through a broken window that she didn't break. The fact that no other protesters were shot and killed is very telling. The cop screwed up, big time. A nuclear sub has no public touring hours, and is hardly the same. Nice try, though. Look, I don't agree with the actions the protesters took. But the cop shot an unarmed person with no evidence that she intended to inflict anyone any harm. The only reason DC didn't burn is because her skin is white. That's a fact. === Mobs take on a life of their own and bad things result. My maternal grandmother, born in 1890, always had a simple explanation: If she hadn't been there it wouldn't have happened. Same with George Floyd. You're ridiculous, Wayne. Ding, ding. We have a winner. If George had been home taking care of his family and himself, being clean and trying to better his life, it wouldn't have happened. Instead he was doing drugs, passing fake $20 bills and hanging out with his pusher passed out and near death. Bad things happen to bad people. One life was already ruined by his own doing. Now folks want to ruin a second. It won't bring him back. Neither will the 27 million bucks. |
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On 4/7/21 3:21 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? The Capital is "our" house, and is open to the public except for Sundays and certain holidays. As Justan points out, since when is attempted trespassing a capital offence? You're starting to sound like what you accuse Trump of being. === Breaking and entering is regarded as much more serious than simple trespass. And the mob, which she was a part of, was demonstrating violent behavior and had already broken through other barriers. The armed guards had locked the doors and were attempting to provide safety for members of congress. Try forcing yourself onto a nuclear submarine sometime, claiming that as a citizen, it is your boat. Send us a postcard and let us know how it went. I agree with your feeling that all looters, rioters, and mayhem makers should be mowed down on the spot. That would instantly bring order to cities which gave up their expectations for peaceful and tranquil existance. I knew there was a silver lining behind your recent liberal transformation. :-) -- No more bull**** |
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On 4/7/21 5:54 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:22:04 PM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? The Capital is "our" house, and is open to the public except for Sundays and certain holidays. As Justan points out, since when is attempted trespassing a capital offence? You're starting to sound like what you accuse Trump of being. === Breaking and entering is regarded as much more serious than simple trespass. And the mob, which she was a part of, was demonstrating violent behavior and had already broken through other barriers. The armed guards had locked the doors and were attempting to provide safety for members of congress. Try forcing yourself onto a nuclear submarine sometime, claiming that as a citizen, it is your boat. Send us a postcard and let us know how it went. Shoot and kill an unarmed person breaking and entering you home in many states, and you'll go to jail. Oh, and she hadn't even entered. She was looking through a broken window that she didn't break. The fact that no other protesters were shot and killed is very telling. The cop screwed up, big time. A nuclear sub has no public touring hours, and is hardly the same. Nice try, though. Look, I don't agree with the actions the protesters took. But the cop shot an unarmed person with no evidence that she intended to inflict anyone any harm. The only reason DC didn't burn is because her skin is white. That's a fact. === Mobs take on a life of their own and bad things result. My maternal grandmother, born in 1890, always had a simple explanation: If she hadn't been there it wouldn't have happened. I hope the defence in the Floyd case can sneak in a similar sage remark. -- No more bull**** |
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On 4/7/21 9:21 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 17:54:14 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:22:04 PM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? The Capital is "our" house, and is open to the public except for Sundays and certain holidays. As Justan points out, since when is attempted trespassing a capital offence? You're starting to sound like what you accuse Trump of being. === Breaking and entering is regarded as much more serious than simple trespass. And the mob, which she was a part of, was demonstrating violent behavior and had already broken through other barriers. The armed guards had locked the doors and were attempting to provide safety for members of congress. Try forcing yourself onto a nuclear submarine sometime, claiming that as a citizen, it is your boat. Send us a postcard and let us know how it went. Shoot and kill an unarmed person breaking and entering you home in many states, and you'll go to jail. Oh, and she hadn't even entered. She was looking through a broken window that she didn't break. The fact that no other protesters were shot and killed is very telling. The cop screwed up, big time. A nuclear sub has no public touring hours, and is hardly the same. Nice try, though. Look, I don't agree with the actions the protesters took. But the cop shot an unarmed person with no evidence that she intended to inflict anyone any harm. The only reason DC didn't burn is because her skin is white. That's a fact. === Mobs take on a life of their own and bad things result. My maternal grandmother, born in 1890, always had a simple explanation: If she hadn't been there it wouldn't have happened. Same with George Floyd. You're ridiculous, Wayne. Ding, ding. We have a winner. If George had been home taking care of his family and himself, being clean and trying to better his life, it wouldn't have happened. Instead he was doing drugs, passing fake $20 bills and hanging out with his pusher passed out and near death. Bad things happen to bad people. One life was already ruined by his own doing. Now folks want to ruin a second. It won't bring him back. Neither will the 27 million bucks. Wayne scored big with that one. I wonder if this was the reaction he was expecting? -- No more bull**** |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 10:18:54 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 06:42:32 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:56:32 AM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:24:53 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:20:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:01:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:03:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message:r On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:28:11 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:47:31 -0400, John wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:23:40 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:01:38 -0400, John wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:30:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:19:44 -0400, John wrote: Trump ought to end up in prison for the various horrors he perpetrated on this country.Wayne probably agrees wholeheartedly with that, even though it's bull****.===That will eventually be decided by the justice system, not by internetdiscussion groups. I've always considered you to be a "law and order"type of guy so I find it interesting that you're so quick to dismissTrump's questionable behavior just because you support his policygoals.Trump perpetrated no 'horrors' upon this country.===That will eventually be determined by the justice system. It seemslikely that neither your opinion, Harry's, or mine will have mucheffect on the outcome.You think the justice system may find him guilty of 'perpetuating horrors onthis country'? You must have a broad definition of 'horror'. A lot of propertyowners and folks experienced *real* horror during the riots this past summer. Ofcourse, those were just 'peaceful protests'. Bull****.And, FWIW, I dismiss none of Trump's illegal activities (once adjudicated assuch) regardless of my support for his policy goals.===I think that if you look back at the origin of this thread you'll findthat "horror" was Harry's choice of words, not mine. That said, Iregard any attempt to subvert a free and valid election, which thecourts have ruled, to be very serious. Hopefully you do also.The riots of last summer, and the resulting damage, are a totallyseparate issue. It could be argued however that Trump's inflammatoryrhetoric was at least partially responsible. Loose cannons rollingaround on deck can do a lot of damage. (please note clever boatingreference)If this was the first time cities burned, I might agree with you. Letssee if you blame Biden in a week when Minneapolis goes up in flames. I'm sure that the Floyd family will donate a substantial amount of the 27 million to rebuilding the destruction that will be done in Floyds behalf. I bet Crump took $13.5 million of it already. Just for fun, let's take a perfectly healthy white cop who has never had a drink or taken opioids or had a tough life and have a big guy step on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds and see what happens... Since there was no sign of trauma and asphyxiation in the original autopsy report, nothing. He was just restrained. I also pointed out, if he had at any time said "I give up, I will get in the car" the whole thing would have been over. If you fight with the cops or refuse to obey a lawful order from them bad **** happens. It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? Use of deadly force has nothing to do with guilt. It has to do with the imminent threat to the officer and in this case being an unarmed woman is significant. |
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 15:45:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:24:53 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:20:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:01:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:03:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message:r On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:28:11 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:47:31 -0400, John wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:23:40 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:01:38 -0400, John wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:30:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:19:44 -0400, John wrote: Trump ought to end up in prison for the various horrors he perpetrated on this country.Wayne probably agrees wholeheartedly with that, even though it's bull****.===That will eventually be decided by the justice system, not by internetdiscussion groups. I've always considered you to be a "law and order"type of guy so I find it interesting that you're so quick to dismissTrump's questionable behavior just because you support his policygoals.Trump perpetrated no 'horrors' upon this country.===That will eventually be determined by the justice system. It seemslikely that neither your opinion, Harry's, or mine will have mucheffect on the outcome.You think the justice system may find him guilty of 'perpetuating horrors this country'? You must have a broad definition of 'horror'. A lot of propertyowners and folks experienced *real* horror during the riots this past summer. Ofcourse, those were just 'peaceful protests'. Bull****.And, FWIW, I dismiss none of Trump's illegal activities (once adjudicated assuch) regardless of my support for his policy goals.===I think that if you look back at the origin of this thread you'll findthat "horror" was Harry's choice of words, not mine. That said, Iregard any attempt to subvert a free and valid election, which thecourts have ruled, to be very serious. Hopefully you do also.The riots of last summer, and the resulting damage, are a totallyseparate issue. It could be argued however that Trump's inflammatoryrhetoric was at least partially responsible. Loose cannons rollingaround on deck can do a lot of damage. (please note clever boatingreference)If this was the first time cities burned, I might agree with you. Letssee if you blame Biden in a week when Minneapolis goes up in flames. I'm sure that the Floyd family will donate a substantial amount of the 27 million to rebuilding the destruction that will be done in Floyds behalf. I bet Crump took $13.5 million of it already. Just for fun, let's take a perfectly healthy white cop who has never had a drink or taken opioids or had a tough life and have a big guy step on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds and see what happens... Since there was no sign of trauma and asphyxiation in the original autopsy report, nothing. He was just restrained. I also pointed out, if he had at any time said "I give up, I will get in the car" the whole thing would have been over. If you fight with the cops or refuse to obey a lawful order from them bad **** happens. It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. When did trespassing become a capital offense? It isn't. They are making it a "Capitol" offense, like the Capitol is much more important than a federal court house. (or even your house if you live in DC) |
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:22:04 PM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? The Capital is "our" house, and is open to the public except for Sundays and certain holidays. As Justan points out, since when is attempted trespassing a capital offence? You're starting to sound like what you accuse Trump of being. === Breaking and entering is regarded as much more serious than simple trespass. And the mob, which she was a part of, was demonstrating violent behavior and had already broken through other barriers. The armed guards had locked the doors and were attempting to provide safety for members of congress. Try forcing yourself onto a nuclear submarine sometime, claiming that as a citizen, it is your boat. Send us a postcard and let us know how it went. Shoot and kill an unarmed person breaking and entering you home in many states, and you'll go to jail. DC is one of those places. In fact you are not even able to have a loaded gun in your house. It needs to be disassembled and stored away from the ammunition. "Heller" (SCOTUS decision) overturned that law but in contempt of the Supreme Court, DC still enforces it. It is also an "Obligation of retreat" place. You need to demonstrate that there was no possible way you could have escaped before you are allowed to use ANY force to defend yourself. |
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 18:21:00 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 17:54:14 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:22:04 PM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? The Capital is "our" house, and is open to the public except for Sundays and certain holidays. As Justan points out, since when is attempted trespassing a capital offence? You're starting to sound like what you accuse Trump of being. === Breaking and entering is regarded as much more serious than simple trespass. And the mob, which she was a part of, was demonstrating violent behavior and had already broken through other barriers. The armed guards had locked the doors and were attempting to provide safety for members of congress. Try forcing yourself onto a nuclear submarine sometime, claiming that as a citizen, it is your boat. Send us a postcard and let us know how it went. Shoot and kill an unarmed person breaking and entering you home in many states, and you'll go to jail. Oh, and she hadn't even entered. She was looking through a broken window that she didn't break. The fact that no other protesters were shot and killed is very telling. The cop screwed up, big time. A nuclear sub has no public touring hours, and is hardly the same. Nice try, though. Look, I don't agree with the actions the protesters took. But the cop shot an unarmed person with no evidence that she intended to inflict anyone any harm. The only reason DC didn't burn is because her skin is white. That's a fact. === Mobs take on a life of their own and bad things result. My maternal grandmother, born in 1890, always had a simple explanation: If she hadn't been there it wouldn't have happened. Same with George Floyd. You're ridiculous, Wayne. Ding, ding. We have a winner. If George had been home taking care of his family and himself, being clean and trying to better his life, it wouldn't have happened. Instead he was doing drugs, passing fake $20 bills and hanging out with his pusher passed out and near death. Bad things happen to bad people. One life was already ruined by his own doing. Now folks want to ruin a second. It won't bring him back. Neither will the 27 million bucks. George Floyd could have ended that encounter at any time by saying he would get in the car. |
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Finally got my appointment...
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Finally got my appointment...
On Fri, 09 Apr 2021 00:37:38 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 22:46:52 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 10:18:54 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 06:42:32 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:56:32 AM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:24:53 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:20:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:01:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:03:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message:r On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:28:11 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:47:31 -0400, John wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:23:40 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:01:38 -0400, John wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:30:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:19:44 -0400, John wrote: Trump ought to end up in prison for the various horrors he perpetrated on this country.Wayne probably agrees wholeheartedly with that, even though it's bull****.===That will eventually be decided by the justice system, not by internetdiscussion groups. I've always considered you to be a "law and order"type of guy so I find it interesting that you're so quick to dismissTrump's questionable behavior just because you support his policygoals.Trump perpetrated no 'horrors' upon this country.===That will eventually be determined by the justice system. It seemslikely that neither your opinion, Harry's, or mine will have mucheffect on the outcome.You think the justice system may find him guilty of 'perpetuating horrors onthis country'? You must have a broad definition of 'horror'. A lot of propertyowners and folks experienced *real* horror during the riots this past summer. Ofcourse, those were just 'peaceful protests'. Bull****.And, FWIW, I dismiss none of Trump's illegal activities (once adjudicated assuch) regardless of my support for his policy goals.===I think that if you look back at the origin of this thread you'll findthat "horror" was Harry's choice of words, not mine. That said, Iregard any attempt to subvert a free and valid election, which thecourts have ruled, to be very serious. Hopefully you do also.The riots of last summer, and the resulting damage, are a totallyseparate issue. It could be argued however that Trump's inflammatoryrhetoric was at least partially responsible. Loose cannons rollingaround on deck can do a lot of damage. (please note clever boatingreference)If this was the first time cities burned, I might agree with you. Letssee if you blame Biden in a week when Minneapolis goes up in flames. I'm sure that the Floyd family will donate a substantial amount of the 27 million to rebuilding the destruction that will be done in Floyds behalf. I bet Crump took $13.5 million of it already. Just for fun, let's take a perfectly healthy white cop who has never had a drink or taken opioids or had a tough life and have a big guy step on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds and see what happens... Since there was no sign of trauma and asphyxiation in the original autopsy report, nothing. He was just restrained. I also pointed out, if he had at any time said "I give up, I will get in the car" the whole thing would have been over. If you fight with the cops or refuse to obey a lawful order from them bad **** happens. It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? Use of deadly force has nothing to do with guilt. It has to do with the imminent threat to the officer and in this case being an unarmed woman is significant. === Doesn't an angry mob trying to break down your secured door constitute an imminent threat? It does in my mind. And was she truly unarmed? Didn't she break the window with some sort of club? If not her, it was someone else in the vicinity. There were all sorts of improvised weapons being used. A couple hundred people in the Capitol and a ****load of armed cops (The CapPo has over 1700 sworn) and this is the ONE who needed to be shot. If this was a black woman DC would have been in flames. |
Finally got my appointment...
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Apr 2021 00:37:38 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 22:46:52 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 10:18:54 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 06:42:32 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:56:32 AM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:24:53 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:20:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:01:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:03:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message:r On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:28:11 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:47:31 -0400, John wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:23:40 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:01:38 -0400, John wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:30:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:19:44 -0400, John wrote: Trump ought to end up in prison for the various horrors he perpetrated on this country.Wayne probably agrees wholeheartedly with that, even though it's bull****.===That will eventually be decided by the justice system, not by internetdiscussion groups. I've always considered you to be a "law and order"type of guy so I find it interesting that you're so quick to dismissTrump's questionable behavior just because you support his policygoals.Trump perpetrated no 'horrors' upon this country.===That will eventually be determined by the justice system. It seemslikely that neither your opinion, Harry's, or mine will have mucheffect on the outcome.You think the justice system may find him guilty of 'perpetuating horrors this country'? You must have a broad definition of 'horror'. A lot of propertyowners and folks experienced *real* horror during the riots this past summer. Ofcourse, those were just 'peaceful protests'. Bull****.And, FWIW, I dismiss none of Trump's illegal activities (once adjudicated assuch) regardless of my support for his policy goals.===I think that if you look back at the origin of this thread you'll findthat "horror" was Harry's choice of words, not mine. That said, Iregard any attempt to subvert a free and valid election, which thecourts have ruled, to be very serious. Hopefully you do also.The riots of last summer, and the resulting damage, are a totallyseparate issue. It could be argued however that Trump's inflammatoryrhetoric was at least partially responsible. Loose cannons rollingaround on deck can do a lot of damage. (please note clever boatingreference)If this was the first time cities burned, I might agree with you. Letssee if you blame Biden in a week when Minneapolis goes up in flames. I'm sure that the Floyd family will donate a substantial amount of the 27 million to rebuilding the destruction that will be done in Floyds behalf. I bet Crump took $13.5 million of it already. Just for fun, let's take a perfectly healthy white cop who has never had a drink or taken opioids or had a tough life and have a big guy step on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds and see what happens... Since there was no sign of trauma and asphyxiation in the original autopsy report, nothing. He was just restrained. I also pointed out, if he had at any time said "I give up, I will get in the car" the whole thing would have been over. If you fight with the cops or refuse to obey a lawful order from them bad **** happens. It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? Use of deadly force has nothing to do with guilt. It has to do with the imminent threat to the officer and in this case being an unarmed woman is significant. === Doesn't an angry mob trying to break down your secured door constitute an imminent threat? It does in my mind. And was she truly unarmed? Didn't she break the window with some sort of club? If not her, it was someone else in the vicinity. There were all sorts of improvised weapons being used. A couple hundred people in the Capitol and a ****load of armed cops (The CapPo has over 1700 sworn) and this is the ONE who needed to be shot. If this was a black woman DC would have been in flames. Nothing quite like your racist speculations. Maybe you can rev up Herring, Just an Asshole, Bilious, or the others. -- Lock Trump Up! |
Finally got my appointment...
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 13:17:55 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
wrote: wrote: On Fri, 09 Apr 2021 00:37:38 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 22:46:52 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 10:18:54 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 06:42:32 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:56:32 AM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:24:53 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:20:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:01:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:03:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message:r On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:28:11 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:47:31 -0400, John wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:23:40 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:01:38 -0400, John wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:30:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:19:44 -0400, John wrote: Trump ought to end up in prison for the various horrors he perpetrated on this country.Wayne probably agrees wholeheartedly with that, even though it's bull****.===That will eventually be decided by the justice system, not by internetdiscussion groups. I've always considered you to be a "law and order"type of guy so I find it interesting that you're so quick to dismissTrump's questionable behavior just because you support his policygoals.Trump perpetrated no 'horrors' upon this country.===That will eventually be determined by the justice system. It seemslikely that neither your opinion, Harry's, or mine will have mucheffect on the outcome.You think the justice system may find him guilty of 'perpetuating horrors this country'? You must have a broad definition of 'horror'. A lot of propertyowners and folks experienced *real* horror during the riots this past summer. Ofcourse, those were just 'peaceful protests'. Bull****.And, FWIW, I dismiss none of Trump's illegal activities (once adjudicated assuch) regardless of my support for his policy goals.===I think that if you look back at the origin of this thread you'll findthat "horror" was Harry's choice of words, not mine. That said, Iregard any attempt to subvert a free and valid election, which thecourts have ruled, to be very serious. Hopefully you do also.The riots of last summer, and the resulting damage, are a totallyseparate issue. It could be argued however that Trump's inflammatoryrhetoric was at least partially responsible. Loose cannons rollingaround on deck can do a lot of damage. (please note clever boatingreference)If this was the first time cities burned, I might agree with you. Letssee if you blame Biden in a week when Minneapolis goes up in flames. I'm sure that the Floyd family will donate a substantial amount of the 27 million to rebuilding the destruction that will be done in Floyds behalf. I bet Crump took $13.5 million of it already. Just for fun, let's take a perfectly healthy white cop who has never had a drink or taken opioids or had a tough life and have a big guy step on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds and see what happens... Since there was no sign of trauma and asphyxiation in the original autopsy report, nothing. He was just restrained. I also pointed out, if he had at any time said "I give up, I will get in the car" the whole thing would have been over. If you fight with the cops or refuse to obey a lawful order from them bad **** happens. It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? Use of deadly force has nothing to do with guilt. It has to do with the imminent threat to the officer and in this case being an unarmed woman is significant. === Doesn't an angry mob trying to break down your secured door constitute an imminent threat? It does in my mind. And was she truly unarmed? Didn't she break the window with some sort of club? If not her, it was someone else in the vicinity. There were all sorts of improvised weapons being used. A couple hundred people in the Capitol and a ****load of armed cops (The CapPo has over 1700 sworn) and this is the ONE who needed to be shot. If this was a black woman DC would have been in flames. Nothing quite like your racist speculations. Maybe you can rev up Herring, Just an Asshole, Bilious, or the others. What was racist in Greg's comment? You're getting as bad as Wayne. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
Finally got my appointment...
Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote: On Fri, 09 Apr 2021 00:37:38 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 22:46:52 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 10:18:54 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 06:42:32 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:56:32 AM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:24:53 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:20:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:01:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:03:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message:r On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:28:11 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:47:31 -0400, John wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:23:40 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:01:38 -0400, John wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:30:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:19:44 -0400, John wrote: Trump ought to end up in prison for the various horrors he perpetrated on this country.Wayne probably agrees wholeheartedly with that, even though it's bull****.===That will eventually be decided by the justice system, not by internetdiscussion groups. I've always considered you to be a "law and order"type of guy so I find it interesting that you're so quick to dismissTrump's questionable behavior just because you support his policygoals.Trump perpetrated no 'horrors' upon this country.===That will eventually be determined by the justice system. It seemslikely that neither your opinion, Harry's, or mine will have mucheffect on the outcome.You think the justice system may find him guilty of 'perpetuating horrors this country'? You must have a broad definition of 'horror'. A lot of propertyowners and folks experienced *real* horror during the riots this past summer. Ofcourse, those were just 'peaceful protests'. Bull****.And, FWIW, I dismiss none of Trump's illegal activities (once adjudicated assuch) regardless of my support for his policy goals.===I think that if you look back at the origin of this thread you'll findthat "horror" was Harry's choice of words, not mine. That said, Iregard any attempt to subvert a free and valid election, which thecourts have ruled, to be very serious. Hopefully you do also.The riots of last summer, and the resulting damage, are a totallyseparate issue. It could be argued however that Trump's inflammatoryrhetoric was at least partially responsible. Loose cannons rollingaround on deck can do a lot of damage. (please note clever boatingreference)If this was the first time cities burned, I might agree with you. Letssee if you blame Biden in a week when Minneapolis goes up in flames. I'm sure that the Floyd family will donate a substantial amount of the 27 million to rebuilding the destruction that will be done in Floyds behalf. I bet Crump took $13.5 million of it already. Just for fun, let's take a perfectly healthy white cop who has never had a drink or taken opioids or had a tough life and have a big guy step on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds and see what happens... Since there was no sign of trauma and asphyxiation in the original autopsy report, nothing. He was just restrained. I also pointed out, if he had at any time said "I give up, I will get in the car" the whole thing would have been over. If you fight with the cops or refuse to obey a lawful order from them bad **** happens. It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? Use of deadly force has nothing to do with guilt. It has to do with the imminent threat to the officer and in this case being an unarmed woman is significant. === Doesn't an angry mob trying to break down your secured door constitute an imminent threat? It does in my mind. And was she truly unarmed? Didn't she break the window with some sort of club? If not her, it was someone else in the vicinity. There were all sorts of improvised weapons being used. A couple hundred people in the Capitol and a ****load of armed cops (The CapPo has over 1700 sworn) and this is the ONE who needed to be shot. If this was a black woman DC would have been in flames. Nothing quite like your racist speculations. Maybe you can rev up Herring, Just an Asshole, Bilious, or the others. Racism is rampant these days. Mostly against whites and Asians. You realize Asians and Indians don’t count in minority hiring quotas? My granddaughter’s school has a Black Support Night. No White support Night. Most of the bullying and harassment is by the Black Kids. Nothing is done about that. My very white 6 grade granddaughter has been shoved, pushed, and physically assaulted. Nothing is done. I bet if you made a nasty reply to the Black Kid doing the assault, she would be suspended. |
Finally got my appointment...
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 13:17:55 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
wrote: wrote: On Fri, 09 Apr 2021 00:37:38 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 22:46:52 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 10:18:54 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 06:42:32 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:56:32 AM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:24:53 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:20:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:01:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:03:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message:r On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:28:11 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:47:31 -0400, John wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:23:40 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:01:38 -0400, John wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:30:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:19:44 -0400, John wrote: Trump ought to end up in prison for the various horrors he perpetrated on this country.Wayne probably agrees wholeheartedly with that, even though it's bull****.===That will eventually be decided by the justice system, not by internetdiscussion groups. I've always considered you to be a "law and order"type of guy so I find it interesting that you're so quick to dismissTrump's questionable behavior just because you support his policygoals.Trump perpetrated no 'horrors' upon this country.===That will eventually be determined by the justice system. It seemslikely that neither your opinion, Harry's, or mine will have mucheffect on the outcome.You think the justice system may find him guilty of 'perpetuating horrors this country'? You must have a broad definition of 'horror'. A lot of propertyowners and folks experienced *real* horror during the riots this past summer. Ofcourse, those were just 'peaceful protests'. Bull****.And, FWIW, I dismiss none of Trump's illegal activities (once adjudicated assuch) regardless of my support for his policy goals.===I think that if you look back at the origin of this thread you'll findthat "horror" was Harry's choice of words, not mine. That said, Iregard any attempt to subvert a free and valid election, which thecourts have ruled, to be very serious. Hopefully you do also.The riots of last summer, and the resulting damage, are a totallyseparate issue. It could be argued however that Trump's inflammatoryrhetoric was at least partially responsible. Loose cannons rollingaround on deck can do a lot of damage. (please note clever boatingreference)If this was the first time cities burned, I might agree with you. Letssee if you blame Biden in a week when Minneapolis goes up in flames. I'm sure that the Floyd family will donate a substantial amount of the 27 million to rebuilding the destruction that will be done in Floyds behalf. I bet Crump took $13.5 million of it already. Just for fun, let's take a perfectly healthy white cop who has never had a drink or taken opioids or had a tough life and have a big guy step on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds and see what happens... Since there was no sign of trauma and asphyxiation in the original autopsy report, nothing. He was just restrained. I also pointed out, if he had at any time said "I give up, I will get in the car" the whole thing would have been over. If you fight with the cops or refuse to obey a lawful order from them bad **** happens. It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? Use of deadly force has nothing to do with guilt. It has to do with the imminent threat to the officer and in this case being an unarmed woman is significant. === Doesn't an angry mob trying to break down your secured door constitute an imminent threat? It does in my mind. And was she truly unarmed? Didn't she break the window with some sort of club? If not her, it was someone else in the vicinity. There were all sorts of improvised weapons being used. A couple hundred people in the Capitol and a ****load of armed cops (The CapPo has over 1700 sworn) and this is the ONE who needed to be shot. If this was a black woman DC would have been in flames. Nothing quite like your racist speculations. Maybe you can rev up Herring, Just an Asshole, Bilious, or the others. When has Ben Crump ever brought a suit about a white person killed by the cops? When was it even on the news? According to the WaPo 424 white people were killed by the police 252 black people were killed by the police Who made the news? Who is the racist, me or the editor of the WaPo who decides which deaths are important? I say again if that was Tanesha Jackson coming through that window and getting shot, a lot more would have been made about why the cop needed to shoot her. The protests would involve burning police cars, tear gas and looting. At least that is how most BLM protests end. |
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On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 13:17:55 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
wrote: wrote: On Fri, 09 Apr 2021 00:37:38 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 22:46:52 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 10:18:54 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 06:42:32 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:56:32 AM UTC-4, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:24:53 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:20:39 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:01:36 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:03:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:43:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message:r On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 18:28:11 -0400, Wayne wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:47:31 -0400, John wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:23:40 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:01:38 -0400, John wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 11:30:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote:On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 07:19:44 -0400, John wrote: Trump ought to end up in prison for the various horrors he perpetrated on this country.Wayne probably agrees wholeheartedly with that, even though it's bull****.===That will eventually be decided by the justice system, not by internetdiscussion groups. I've always considered you to be a "law and order"type of guy so I find it interesting that you're so quick to dismissTrump's questionable behavior just because you support his policygoals.Trump perpetrated no 'horrors' upon this country.===That will eventually be determined by the justice system. It seemslikely that neither your opinion, Harry's, or mine will have mucheffect on the outcome.You think the justice system may find him guilty of 'perpetuating horrors this country'? You must have a broad definition of 'horror'. A lot of propertyowners and folks experienced *real* horror during the riots this past summer. Ofcourse, those were just 'peaceful protests'. Bull****.And, FWIW, I dismiss none of Trump's illegal activities (once adjudicated assuch) regardless of my support for his policy goals.===I think that if you look back at the origin of this thread you'll findthat "horror" was Harry's choice of words, not mine. That said, Iregard any attempt to subvert a free and valid election, which thecourts have ruled, to be very serious. Hopefully you do also.The riots of last summer, and the resulting damage, are a totallyseparate issue. It could be argued however that Trump's inflammatoryrhetoric was at least partially responsible. Loose cannons rollingaround on deck can do a lot of damage. (please note clever boatingreference)If this was the first time cities burned, I might agree with you. Letssee if you blame Biden in a week when Minneapolis goes up in flames. I'm sure that the Floyd family will donate a substantial amount of the 27 million to rebuilding the destruction that will be done in Floyds behalf. I bet Crump took $13.5 million of it already. Just for fun, let's take a perfectly healthy white cop who has never had a drink or taken opioids or had a tough life and have a big guy step on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds and see what happens... Since there was no sign of trauma and asphyxiation in the original autopsy report, nothing. He was just restrained. I also pointed out, if he had at any time said "I give up, I will get in the car" the whole thing would have been over. If you fight with the cops or refuse to obey a lawful order from them bad **** happens. It is interesting that you and Wayne don't seem to have any trouble at all with the cops shooting an unarmed white woman for trespassing tho. === It was much more than trespassing - more like breaking and entering combined with assault or attempted assault. I firmly believe the cop thought that he and/or members of congress were in danger, and they probably were. Bull****. She assaulted no one, and didn't get through the window. === I'm surprised that you are so quick to defend lawless behavior like that. I'm surprised you're OK with police killing an unarmed, defenseless woman. === Is a woman who is attempting to break into a secured area less guilty than a guy? Use of deadly force has nothing to do with guilt. It has to do with the imminent threat to the officer and in this case being an unarmed woman is significant. === Doesn't an angry mob trying to break down your secured door constitute an imminent threat? It does in my mind. And was she truly unarmed? Didn't she break the window with some sort of club? If not her, it was someone else in the vicinity. There were all sorts of improvised weapons being used. A couple hundred people in the Capitol and a ****load of armed cops (The CapPo has over 1700 sworn) and this is the ONE who needed to be shot. If this was a black woman DC would have been in flames. Nothing quite like your racist speculations. Maybe you can rev up Herring, Just an Asshole, Bilious, or the others. Forgot the link. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...hootings-2019/ |
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