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For those who think flying sucks.
On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 11:39:18 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:19:33 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/12/21 6:05 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:38:19 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:59:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/12/21 10:50 AM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 09:41:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://ibb.co/nLVG10W With trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.. As long as you don't mind a 20 hour ride plus the trip to and from the station. The train makes sense if you can take the Metroliner to NY from DC but I am not taking the milk train from Florida to DC and I would have to drive to Sanford to get it (4 hours or more each way).. Where do you catch the train south? Union Station? Somewhere in Virginia? RSW is 15 minutes from here. You are also one bomb threat away from full TSA screening on the train. There are no long lines in 1st class. They have an express line through TSA, the ticket counter/baggage check and you board first. I would drive before I took a train. It is faster. The "photo" compared the time it takes to go similar distances on China's modern passenger rail system and our ****ty, outmoded, ancient passenger rail system. The last time we took the train to Jax, we boarded at Union Station in DC, but it does make a brief stop in Alexandria, Virginia. We did that once. Parking there was free...within sight of the Masonic tower. We usually take the train to NYC, New Haven, and even Boston. Took it to Providence about a decade ago. I said the train makes sense in the Acela corridor but once you get out of that cluster ****, not so much. There is no way a high speed rail link to Florida would ever come close to paying for itself. I also doubt you would ever get all the people along the way to go for it. Trains are dangerous enough at 45-50. Going 100+ in populated areas is a death trap. They are trying a faster train (still not anything like high speed) in South Florida and the death toll is striking. I heard a stat a little while ago that less than 100 miles of track on the gold coast generates more deaths than all the other track in the US. The problem is about 100 grade crossings. Imagine what that would mean in the 900 miles through the rest of the Atlantic states. I suppose if cost was no object, you had the land and you could get a hundred local governments to sign off, it could be elevated but it would end up cheaper if they just put all the passengers in stretch limos and drove them down, feeding them champagne and caviar the whole way. === I wonder what it would take to make the grade level crossings safer? Are the fatalities mostly vehicles or pedestrians? I don't have much sympathy for people who try to beat the gates but there is probably some way to make it more difficult. There are a lot of lift bridges on the east coast of Florida but you don't see a lot of people trying to beat the gates on them. My late father-in-law worked for the railroad and used to tell us tales of the morons who tried to beat trains across unprotected crossings and even drove around or between lowered crossing gates. There were lots of such incidents, he said, and also incidents involving morons who walked on or over the tracks. Evolution in action. The rail crossings I recall in Europe are much better guarded than in the United States. In some places there are crossing guards, though I have no idea how these are scheduled. Sure, lets hire 900,000 crossing guards, four for each grade crossing. (24/7/365 plus covering vacations and weekends takes 4 people minimum). Sounds like something one of those bankrupt European governments might do. FRA says they actually have more fatalities along the rails away from the crossings so that may not help much. The reality is these rails are usually in minority neighborhoods and I am surprised you call them morons for trying to live their lives with a death train coming by dozens of times a day.. Racist! ;-) Rich people don't usually live near the railroad tracks and if they do move there by mistake, they seem to be able to stop the trains like they did here. I like trains, at least the freight variety. They move freight much more efficiently than trucks do, making better use of diesel fuel. Besides, 18 wheelers clog up the roadways and tear up the roads. It's even worse now that the majority of them are running speed governors that limit them to 70 mph. Get one that able to run 70.5 passing another that's able to squeak out 70.1, and you've got a moving roadblock for several miles. Besides, the railroads are heavily unionized. All those new crossing guards will be making 6 figures. Who's gonna pay for that? |
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For those who think flying sucks.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/stud...2019/2073897On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:54:21 -0800 (PST), " wrote:
On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 11:39:18 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:19:33 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/12/21 6:05 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:38:19 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:59:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/12/21 10:50 AM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 09:41:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://ibb.co/nLVG10W With trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop. As long as you don't mind a 20 hour ride plus the trip to and from the station. The train makes sense if you can take the Metroliner to NY from DC but I am not taking the milk train from Florida to DC and I would have to drive to Sanford to get it (4 hours or more each way). Where do you catch the train south? Union Station? Somewhere in Virginia? RSW is 15 minutes from here. You are also one bomb threat away from full TSA screening on the train. There are no long lines in 1st class. They have an express line through TSA, the ticket counter/baggage check and you board first. I would drive before I took a train. It is faster. The "photo" compared the time it takes to go similar distances on China's modern passenger rail system and our ****ty, outmoded, ancient passenger rail system. The last time we took the train to Jax, we boarded at Union Station in DC, but it does make a brief stop in Alexandria, Virginia. We did that once. Parking there was free...within sight of the Masonic tower. We usually take the train to NYC, New Haven, and even Boston. Took it to Providence about a decade ago. I said the train makes sense in the Acela corridor but once you get out of that cluster ****, not so much. There is no way a high speed rail link to Florida would ever come close to paying for itself. I also doubt you would ever get all the people along the way to go for it. Trains are dangerous enough at 45-50. Going 100+ in populated areas is a death trap. They are trying a faster train (still not anything like high speed) in South Florida and the death toll is striking. I heard a stat a little while ago that less than 100 miles of track on the gold coast generates more deaths than all the other track in the US. The problem is about 100 grade crossings. Imagine what that would mean in the 900 miles through the rest of the Atlantic states. I suppose if cost was no object, you had the land and you could get a hundred local governments to sign off, it could be elevated but it would end up cheaper if they just put all the passengers in stretch limos and drove them down, feeding them champagne and caviar the whole way. === I wonder what it would take to make the grade level crossings safer? Are the fatalities mostly vehicles or pedestrians? I don't have much sympathy for people who try to beat the gates but there is probably some way to make it more difficult. There are a lot of lift bridges on the east coast of Florida but you don't see a lot of people trying to beat the gates on them. My late father-in-law worked for the railroad and used to tell us tales of the morons who tried to beat trains across unprotected crossings and even drove around or between lowered crossing gates. There were lots of such incidents, he said, and also incidents involving morons who walked on or over the tracks. Evolution in action. The rail crossings I recall in Europe are much better guarded than in the United States. In some places there are crossing guards, though I have no idea how these are scheduled. Sure, lets hire 900,000 crossing guards, four for each grade crossing. (24/7/365 plus covering vacations and weekends takes 4 people minimum). Sounds like something one of those bankrupt European governments might do. FRA says they actually have more fatalities along the rails away from the crossings so that may not help much. The reality is these rails are usually in minority neighborhoods and I am surprised you call them morons for trying to live their lives with a death train coming by dozens of times a day.. Racist! ;-) Rich people don't usually live near the railroad tracks and if they do move there by mistake, they seem to be able to stop the trains like they did here. I like trains, at least the freight variety. They move freight much more efficiently than trucks do, making better use of diesel fuel. Besides, 18 wheelers clog up the roadways and tear up the roads. It's even worse now that the majority of them are running speed governors that limit them to 70 mph. Get one that able to run 70.5 passing another that's able to squeak out 70.1, and you've got a moving roadblock for several miles. Besides, the railroads are heavily unionized. All those new crossing guards will be making 6 figures. Who's gonna pay for that? If what is happening here is happening in other places the rails may be doomed. They are gentrifying some of those old neighborhoods and the people moving in bitch about the trains. They can have the clout to shut them down if it is an unprofitable route and the railroad wants out anyway. I know the freight traffic is way down here. The places that used to brag about being on the rail line don't anymore. One of their regular customers was the 3 newspapers that used to get a freight car full of paper every week. Now that whole operation moved to Sarasota. |
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