#77
 

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 03:18:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/20/20 8:30 PM, Bill wrote:
Alex wrote:
Justan O. wrote:
On 10/19/20 8:27 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/19/20 5:57 PM, Alex wrote:
This is a JTS M12AR 12ga semi-auto shotgun.Â* It's an AR-15 style
with two 5 round magazines. Nothing fancy but a nice home protection
firearm that might be useful on pigs.

Even deadbeat Harry can probably afford it - they are under $600.00.

What a wonderful firearm to use inside the house for home
protection...heavy, loud, complicated, not so easy to aim properly
indoors. Ayuup.


Aim properly? Just point it and pull the trigger, dumbass.

Exactly.Â* Shotguns don't require perfect aim and they don't kill people
in the other room with the correct ammo.Â* It's also easier to use than
my Blasers.


They do require aiming. Depending on the choke, in 12’ you may only have a
12� pattern.



Typically, one uses a Mossberg or Remington pump action for home defense
because they are more more reliable, simpler, and easier to handle.


Most people would shoot what they got. Mossberg is a cheapest decent
priced one, so very common. Most people think they are going to,clear a
room with a shotgun blast. Too many bad westerns and shootemups. My Rem
1100 full choke at 20 yards has about a 36� pattern. At 10’, about a 6�
pattern. But the fear induced from he bad shootemups applies to bad guys
also. So rack the shotgun and they most likely give up.

Is that a guess? We pattered a lot of skeet guns when I was in that
league and a skeet choke throws a tighter pattern than that.

#77
 

On 10/21/20 2:23 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 01:55:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

True North wrote:
On Monday, 19 October 2020 at 21:27:04 UTC-3, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/19/20 5:57 PM, Alex wrote:
This is a JTS M12AR 12ga semi-auto shotgun. It's an AR-15 style with
two 5 round magazines. Nothing fancy but a nice home protection firearm
that might be useful on pigs.

Even deadbeat Harry can probably afford it - they are under $600.00.
What a wonderful firearm to use inside the house for home
protection...heavy, loud, complicated, not so easy to aim properly
indoors. Ayuup.


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Trump. :(



Snerk!
That Ditzy Dan, alias Jorge, sure is a sucker for a salesman pitch.


At less than 19�, is pretty compact. Who gives a **** it is loud, when
used in self defense?

Huh? I can't hear you. Somebody answer the damned phone.

A 12 ga in the house is awesome, even with ear valves and muffs.
(I had a range)


Hey, if you don't care if you become permanently deaf, even partially,
go for that shotgun indoors. If you recall, I got rid of my .357 MAG
revolver for home defense because you convinced me and you were correct
that it was just too loud. We have a suppressed .22LR pistol and a
suppressed 9 mm pistol. The former is no louder than an electric staple
gun and sounds like one. The 9mm is louder, but not so loud it is going
to harm your hearing. Both are loaded with subsonic ammo. Both pistols
have red dot sights and the 9mm has a light below the barrel. The secret
for stopping someone with your pistol is to know how to aim and shoot
quickly and where to hit the torso of the perp. Both pistols cycle
quickly without much recoil or muzzle flip.

I've "heard" about a dozen different suppressors at the ranges I
frequent. In calibers .380, 9 mm and .45ACP, the apparent sound is
pretty much the same. For reasons I don't understand, the sound of my 9
mm carbine seems lower than the pistol. The larger/hotter caliber
rifles suppressed are still pretty damned loud. I wouldn't fire one of
those, even suppressed, without ear protection.

--
210,000+ Americans will never recover from the incompetence of Donald
Trump. :(

#77
 

On 10/21/20 2:25 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 10:20:24 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/19/20 9:51 PM, True North wrote:
On Monday, 19 October 2020 at 21:27:04 UTC-3, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/19/20 5:57 PM, Alex wrote:
This is a JTS M12AR 12ga semi-auto shotgun. It's an AR-15 style with
two 5 round magazines. Nothing fancy but a nice home protection firearm
that might be useful on pigs.

Even deadbeat Harry can probably afford it - they are under $600.00.
What a wonderful firearm to use inside the house for home
protection...heavy, loud, complicated, not so easy to aim properly
indoors. Ayuup.


--
210,000+ Americans will never recover from the incompetence of Donald
Trump. :(



Snerk!
That Ditzy Dan, alias Jorge, sure is a sucker for a salesman pitch.


Some of these newer AR-15 style semi-auto shotguns have feeding issues
and jam. If you are going to use a shotgun for home defense, there are
far better, more reliable choices. I used to think a shotgun was
suitable, but they're fairly unwieldy indoors and frippin' loud, loud
enough to cause permanent hearing damage. Nowadays, I use a CZ 9mm
pistol with a suppressor attached. The suppressor and subsonic ammo keep
the sound below the level of hearing destruction.

Also, I thought our little illegal alien gunmonkey was married and
stopped dating pigs. Guess I was wrong.

Shoot that "Honor Student" and not wake up Karen. How considerate ;-)


I could fire the .22LR suppressed without waking anyone but not the 9mm.
The Hollywood version of suppressed pistols going "pfffffft" is a myth.

--
210,000+ Americans will never recover from the incompetence of Donald
Trump. :(

#77
 

On 10/21/20 2:31 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:23:40 -0400, Alex wrote:

Justan O. wrote:
On 10/19/20 8:27 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/19/20 5:57 PM, Alex wrote:
This is a JTS M12AR 12ga semi-auto shotgun.Â* It's an AR-15 style
with two 5 round magazines. Nothing fancy but a nice home protection
firearm that might be useful on pigs.

Even deadbeat Harry can probably afford it - they are under $600.00.

What a wonderful firearm to use inside the house for home
protection...heavy, loud, complicated, not so easy to aim properly
indoors. Ayuup.


Aim properly? Just point it and pull the trigger, dumbass.

Exactly.Â* Shotguns don't require perfect aim and they don't kill people
in the other room with the correct ammo.Â* It's also easier to use than
my Blasers.

What ammo is not going to be deadly through 2 sheets of drywall, At
indoor ranges where the pattern is about the size of a coffee cup? I
wouldn't want to be on the other side of the wall if it was a 2.5dr
equivalent load of #9s. That is a light skeet load.


I think Alex's experience with firearms goes no farther than looking at
youtube videos.

--
210,000+ Americans will never recover from the incompetence of Donald
Trump. :(

#77
 

On 10/21/20 7:42 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/21/20 2:31 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:23:40 -0400, Alex wrote:

Justan O. wrote:
On 10/19/20 8:27 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/19/20 5:57 PM, Alex wrote:
This is a JTS M12AR 12ga semi-auto shotgun.* It's an AR-15 style
with two 5 round magazines. Nothing fancy but a nice home protection
firearm that might be useful on pigs.

Even deadbeat Harry can probably afford it - they are under $600.00.
What a wonderful firearm to use inside the house for home
protection...heavy, loud, complicated, not so easy to aim proper
indoors. Ayuup.


Aim properly? Just point it and pull the trigger, dumbass.

Exactly.* Shotguns don't require perfect aim and they don't kill people
in the other room with the correct ammo.* It's also easier to use than
my Blasers.

What ammo is not going to be deadly through 2 sheets of drywall, At
indoor ranges where the pattern is about the size of a coffee cup? I
wouldn't want to be on the other side of the wall if it was a 2.5dr
equivalent load of #9s. That is a light skeet load.


I think Alex's experience with firearms goes no farther than looking at
youtube videos.

Remember the days when you'd poke holes in a paper target with a pencil and
then show us what a good shot you were? That worked until someone enlarged
the photo and found a pencil mark lading to one of the holes.

#77
 

On 10/21/20 10:57 AM, Justan O. wrote:
On 10/21/20 7:42 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/21/20 2:31 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:23:40 -0400, Alex wrote:

Justan O. wrote:
On 10/19/20 8:27 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/19/20 5:57 PM, Alex wrote:
This is a JTS M12AR 12ga semi-auto shotgun.Â* It's an AR-15 style
with two 5 round magazines. Nothing fancy but a nice home protection
firearm that might be useful on pigs.

Even deadbeat Harry can probably afford it - they are under $600.00.
What a wonderful firearm to use inside the house for home
protection...heavy, loud, complicated, not so easy to aim proper
indoors. Ayuup.


Aim properly? Just point it and pull the trigger, dumbass.

Exactly.Â* Shotguns don't require perfect aim and they don't kill people
in the other room with the correct ammo.Â* It's also easier to use than
my Blasers.

What ammo is not going to be deadly through 2 sheets of drywall, At
indoor ranges where the pattern is about the size of a coffee cup? I
wouldn't want to be on the other side of the wall if it was a 2.5dr
equivalent load of #9s. That is a light skeet load.


I think Alex's experience with firearms goes no farther than looking
at youtube videos.

Remember the days when you'd poke holes in a paper target with a pencil and
then show us what a good shot you were? That worked until someone enlarged
the photo and found a pencil mark lading to one of the holes.


Just more of the right-wing bull**** that oozes around here.

--
210,000+ Americans will never recover from the incompetence of Donald
Trump. :(

#77
 

wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 03:18:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/20/20 8:30 PM, Bill wrote:
Alex wrote:
Justan O. wrote:
On 10/19/20 8:27 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/19/20 5:57 PM, Alex wrote:
This is a JTS M12AR 12ga semi-auto shotgun.Â* It's an AR-15 style
with two 5 round magazines. Nothing fancy but a nice home protection
firearm that might be useful on pigs.

Even deadbeat Harry can probably afford it - they are under $600.00.

What a wonderful firearm to use inside the house for home
protection...heavy, loud, complicated, not so easy to aim properly
indoors. Ayuup.


Aim properly? Just point it and pull the trigger, dumbass.

Exactly.Â* Shotguns don't require perfect aim and they don't kill people
in the other room with the correct ammo.Â* It's also easier to use than
my Blasers.


They do require aiming. Depending on the choke, in 12’ you may only have a
12� pattern.



Typically, one uses a Mossberg or Remington pump action for home defense
because they are more more reliable, simpler, and easier to handle.


Most people would shoot what they got. Mossberg is a cheapest decent
priced one, so very common. Most people think they are going to,clear a
room with a shotgun blast. Too many bad westerns and shootemups. My Rem
1100 full choke at 20 yards has about a 36� pattern. At 10’, about a 6�
pattern. But the fear induced from he bad shootemups applies to bad guys
also. So rack the shotgun and they most likely give up.

Is that a guess? We pattered a lot of skeet guns when I was in that
league and a skeet choke throws a tighter pattern than that.



Mine was a duck gun, and the 10’ range is pretty close to what we saw when
we shot a board at about 10’. Might be 25 yards on the 36� pattern.

#77
 

Bill wrote:
Alex wrote:
Justan O. wrote:
On 10/19/20 8:27 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/19/20 5:57 PM, Alex wrote:
This is a JTS M12AR 12ga semi-auto shotgun.Â* It's an AR-15 style
with two 5 round magazines. Nothing fancy but a nice home protection
firearm that might be useful on pigs.

Even deadbeat Harry can probably afford it - they are under $600.00.
What a wonderful firearm to use inside the house for home
protection...heavy, loud, complicated, not so easy to aim properly
indoors. Ayuup.

Aim properly? Just point it and pull the trigger, dumbass.
Exactly.Â* Shotguns don't require perfect aim and they don't kill people
in the other room with the correct ammo.Â* It's also easier to use than
my Blasers.

They do require aiming. Depending on the choke, in 12’ you may only have a
12� pattern.


That would be a tight choke.

#77
 

#77
 

Alex wrote:
Bill wrote:
Alex wrote:
Justan O. wrote:
On 10/19/20 8:27 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/19/20 5:57 PM, Alex wrote:
This is a JTS M12AR 12ga semi-auto shotgun.Â* It's an AR-15 style
with two 5 round magazines. Nothing fancy but a nice home protection
firearm that might be useful on pigs.

Even deadbeat Harry can probably afford it - they are under $600.00.
What a wonderful firearm to use inside the house for home
protection...heavy, loud, complicated, not so easy to aim properly
indoors. Ayuup.

Aim properly? Just point it and pull the trigger, dumbass.
Exactly.Â* Shotguns don't require perfect aim and they don't kill people
in the other room with the correct ammo.Â* It's also easier to use than
my Blasers.

They do require aiming. Depending on the choke, in 12’ you may only have a
12� pattern.


That would be a tight choke.


They shooting newspaper sheet at 10-12’