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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Over 70 former Republican national security officials including ex-CIA and FBI chiefs will endorse Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Friday while launching a scathing indictment of President Donald Trump, calling him corrupt and unfit to serve. The group, called Former Republican National Security Officials for Biden, includes some of the most senior Republican members of the U.S. defense and intelligence establishment to have served in the administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Trump. The 73-strong group includes retired General Michael Hayden, who served as national security director and head of the CIA; William Webster, the only man to serve as both head of the CIA and FBI; John Negroponte, the first director of National Intelligence; Michael Leiter, former director of the National Counterterrorism Center; and Mike Donley, former Air Force secretary. Their full-throated condemnation of Trump and backing of Biden will come three days before Trump’s nominating convention opens on Monday and underscores how the Republican president has alienated some members of his own party, especially among intelligence and foreign policy veterans. “Trump has demonstrated that he lacks the character and competence to lead this nation and has engaged in corrupt behavior that renders him unfit to serve as president,” the group plans to declare in a full-page ad in The Wall Street Journal on Friday. “We have concluded that Donald Trump has failed our country and that Vice President Joe Biden should be elected the next President of the United States,” it adds. The group is one of a number of Republican organizations opposing Trump’s re-election in the Nov. 3 election. Collectively, they object to his alienation of U.S. allies abroad and his leadership at home, most recently his response to the coronavirus pandemic, which has killed more than 170,000 Americans and triggered a severe economic downturn, as well as his reaction to nationwide protests over racial injustice and police brutality against Black Americans. The Trump campaign has described Republican-led groups campaigning for Biden, such as Republican Voters Against Trump and 43 Alumni for Biden - hundreds of officials who worked for George W. Bush - as “the swamp,” disaffected former officials “trying to take down the duly elected President of the United States.” Trump himself has expressed contempt, saying on Twitter last year that such “Never Trump Republicans” are “human scum.” Bob Tuttle, who was director of personnel under Reagan and ambassador to the UK under George W. Bush, is a member of the national security group and said Trump’s handling of the coronavirus crisis had been “abominable.” “He’s a malignant narcissist. He’s a liar. He’s a despicable human being and the worst president in American history - it’s not even close,” Tuttle told Reuters. Another group member, James Glassman, an undersecretary of state in the George W. Bush administration, said Trump had created “global chaos.” “Lack of leadership has led to the deaths of 170,000 Americans,” Glassman said. “There’s no excuse in the country with the best health scientists in the world.” The group lays out a detailed charge sheet against Trump, including accusations that he is unfit to lead in a national crisis, undermined confidence in U.S. elections, aligned himself with dictators, preached a “dark and pessimistic view of America” and attacked and vilified immigrants. The national security group will launch a website on Friday and come under the umbrella of another anti-Trump organization run by Republicans, Defending Democracy Together. The former national security officials raised $140,000 among themselves to launch their effort. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 3:49:33 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:20:19 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote: On 8/22/20 11:36 AM, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Over 70 former Republican national security officials including ex-CIA and FBI chiefs will endorse Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Friday while launching a scathing indictment of President Donald Trump, calling him corrupt and unfit to serve. The group, called Former Republican National Security Officials for Biden, includes some of the most senior Republican members of the U.S. defense and intelligence establishment to have served in the administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Trump. The 73-strong group includes retired General Michael Hayden, who served as national security director and head of the CIA; William Webster, the only man to serve as both head of the CIA and FBI; John Negroponte, the first director of National Intelligence; Michael Leiter, former director of the National Counterterrorism Center; and Mike Donley, former Air Force secretary. Their full-throated condemnation of Trump and backing of Biden will come three days before Trump’s nominating convention opens on Monday and underscores how the Republican president has alienated some members of his own party, especially among intelligence and foreign policy veterans. “Trump has demonstrated that he lacks the character and competence to lead this nation and has engaged in corrupt behavior that renders him unfit to serve as president,” the group plans to declare in a full-page ad in The Wall Street Journal on Friday. “We have concluded that Donald Trump has failed our country and that Vice President Joe Biden should be elected the next President of the United States,” it adds. The group is one of a number of Republican organizations opposing Trump’s re-election in the Nov. 3 election. Collectively, they object to his alienation of U.S. allies abroad and his leadership at home, most recently his response to the coronavirus pandemic, which has killed more than 170,000 Americans and triggered a severe economic downturn, as well as his reaction to nationwide protests over racial injustice and police brutality against Black Americans. The Trump campaign has described Republican-led groups campaigning for Biden, such as Republican Voters Against Trump and 43 Alumni for Biden - hundreds of officials who worked for George W. Bush - as “the swamp,” disaffected former officials “trying to take down the duly elected President of the United States.” Trump himself has expressed contempt, saying on Twitter last year that such “Never Trump Republicans” are “human scum.” Bob Tuttle, who was director of personnel under Reagan and ambassador to the UK under George W. Bush, is a member of the national security group and said Trump’s handling of the coronavirus crisis had been “abominable.” “He’s a malignant narcissist. He’s a liar. He’s a despicable human being and the worst president in American history - it’s not even close,” Tuttle told Reuters. Another group member, James Glassman, an undersecretary of state in the George W. Bush administration, said Trump had created “global chaos.” “Lack of leadership has led to the deaths of 170,000 Americans,” Glassman said. “There’s no excuse in the country with the best health scientists in the world.” The group lays out a detailed charge sheet against Trump, including accusations that he is unfit to lead in a national crisis, undermined confidence in U.S. elections, aligned himself with dictators, preached a “dark and pessimistic view of America” and attacked and vilified immigrants. The national security group will launch a website on Friday and come under the umbrella of another anti-Trump organization run by Republicans, Defending Democracy Together. The former national security officials raised $140,000 among themselves to launch their effort. Yawn. The fact that they could support Biden says much about them. Swampites all. Trump will have to work extra hard to cover those 70 votes. Cmon Wayne. You are too smart to fall for that bull****. It's OK that you don't like Trump but he's still the best choice for president. === You're entitled to your opinion of course and I will not respond with insults the way your fearlss leader would. I'd point out however that everyone of these 73 guys is arguably smarter than I am, and probably smarter than anyone in this group. Their opinions were not offered lightly and are worth considering. Here's one that bears repeating: --- Bob Tuttle, who was director of personnel under Reagan and ambassador to the UK under George W. Bush, is a member of the national security group and said Trump’s handling of the coronavirus crisis had been “abominable.” “He’s a malignant narcissist. He’s a liar. He’s a despicable human being and the worst president in American history - it’s not even close,” Tuttle told Reuters. --- Tuttle forgot to mention that he's also a threat to democracy and the constitution but I guess that's a given. Respectfully Wayne, your assertions don't fly. Specifically, how is he "a threat to democracy and the constitution"? Hell, he can't even get his wall built! And the whole threat to democracy phrase is pretty tired. The US isn't even a true democracy. Besides, here's who Tuttle really is: "A California native, he was nominated to be ambassador by U.S. President George W. Bush. He had raised more than $200,000 for Bush's 2004 re-election campaign and inauguration ceremony.[3] Both Tuttle and his predecessor William Farish were both wealthy private citizens with personal and financial ties to the Bush family.[4] Tuttle is the son of Holmes Tuttle, founder of the Southern California chain of auto dealerships and, in the 1960s and 1970s, a prominent force behind the political rise of actor Ronald Reagan. Tuttle previously worked in the White House during the Reagan administration as an assistant to the President in 1982, and director of presidential personnel in 1985. An avid tennis player, he enjoyed occasional games of tennis at the White House tennis court. Tuttle was also on the board of directors of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars.[citation needed] He is a graduate of Stanford University, and earned his Master of Business Administration degree at the University of Southern California. Tuttle is a partner in the Tuttle-Click Automotive Group based in Irvine, California, and the Jim Click Automotive Group based out of Tucson, Arizona." So he's a privileged rich kid with ties to other wealthy political families who earned a position by his fundraising. He has an MBA, and is in the "clique". He was smart to use his daddy's money and connections to elevate himself. I'm not so sure he's really smarter than anyone in this NG, maybe just better born and more cunning. :) |
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 15:49:27 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:20:19 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote: On 8/22/20 11:36 AM, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Over 70 former Republican national security officials including ex-CIA and FBI chiefs will endorse Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Friday while launching a scathing indictment of President Donald Trump, calling him corrupt and unfit to serve. The group, called Former Republican National Security Officials for Biden, includes some of the most senior Republican members of the U.S. defense and intelligence establishment to have served in the administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Trump. The 73-strong group includes retired General Michael Hayden, who served as national security director and head of the CIA; William Webster, the only man to serve as both head of the CIA and FBI; John Negroponte, the first director of National Intelligence; Michael Leiter, former director of the National Counterterrorism Center; and Mike Donley, former Air Force secretary. Their full-throated condemnation of Trump and backing of Biden will come three days before Trump’s nominating convention opens on Monday and underscores how the Republican president has alienated some members of his own party, especially among intelligence and foreign policy veterans. “Trump has demonstrated that he lacks the character and competence to lead this nation and has engaged in corrupt behavior that renders him unfit to serve as president,” the group plans to declare in a full-page ad in The Wall Street Journal on Friday. “We have concluded that Donald Trump has failed our country and that Vice President Joe Biden should be elected the next President of the United States,” it adds. The group is one of a number of Republican organizations opposing Trump’s re-election in the Nov. 3 election. Collectively, they object to his alienation of U.S. allies abroad and his leadership at home, most recently his response to the coronavirus pandemic, which has killed more than 170,000 Americans and triggered a severe economic downturn, as well as his reaction to nationwide protests over racial injustice and police brutality against Black Americans. The Trump campaign has described Republican-led groups campaigning for Biden, such as Republican Voters Against Trump and 43 Alumni for Biden - hundreds of officials who worked for George W. Bush - as “the swamp,” disaffected former officials “trying to take down the duly elected President of the United States.” Trump himself has expressed contempt, saying on Twitter last year that such “Never Trump Republicans” are “human scum.” Bob Tuttle, who was director of personnel under Reagan and ambassador to the UK under George W. Bush, is a member of the national security group and said Trump’s handling of the coronavirus crisis had been “abominable.” “He’s a malignant narcissist. He’s a liar. He’s a despicable human being and the worst president in American history - it’s not even close,” Tuttle told Reuters. Another group member, James Glassman, an undersecretary of state in the George W. Bush administration, said Trump had created “global chaos.” “Lack of leadership has led to the deaths of 170,000 Americans,” Glassman said. “There’s no excuse in the country with the best health scientists in the world.” The group lays out a detailed charge sheet against Trump, including accusations that he is unfit to lead in a national crisis, undermined confidence in U.S. elections, aligned himself with dictators, preached a “dark and pessimistic view of America” and attacked and vilified immigrants. The national security group will launch a website on Friday and come under the umbrella of another anti-Trump organization run by Republicans, Defending Democracy Together. The former national security officials raised $140,000 among themselves to launch their effort. Yawn. The fact that they could support Biden says much about them. Swampites all. Trump will have to work extra hard to cover those 70 votes. Cmon Wayne. You are too smart to fall for that bull****. It's OK that you don't like Trump but he's still the best choice for president. === You're entitled to your opinion of course and I will not respond with insults the way your fearlss leader would. I'd point out however that everyone of these 73 guys is arguably smarter than I am, and probably smarter than anyone in this group. Their opinions were not offered lightly and are worth considering. Here's one that bears repeating: --- Bob Tuttle, who was director of personnel under Reagan and ambassador to the UK under George W. Bush, is a member of the national security group and said Trump’s handling of the coronavirus crisis had been “abominable.” “He’s a malignant narcissist. He’s a liar. He’s a despicable human being and the worst president in American history - it’s not even close,” Tuttle told Reuters. --- Tuttle forgot to mention that he's also a threat to democracy and the constitution but I guess that's a given. I'd like to know what Tuttle would have done differently. Biden, et al, say the same thing, but never say what they'd have done differently. Dr. Fauci, under oath, stated his approval for Trump's actions. Of course, Trump could have kept his mouth shut a bit more. Fauci said the big difference between us and other countries was the shut down. Whereas the successful countries in Europe shut down 95%, we shut down only 50%. Big difference - the leaders of the countries in Europe can order the country to be shut down. Here our President doesn't have that power over the states. Yes, Trump is a narcissistic asshole, as I've stated repeatedly. He's no worse a liar than the Clintons, that's for damn sure. As for the Constitution, there are many who believe the Democrats would come much closer to doing away with it. https://www.wsj.com/articles/democra...ion-1539645364 -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:50:29 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:36:24 -0400, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden I am getting resigned to the idea that we will get Biden and I just say the same thing I usually do when people do something dumb "Sometimes you need to let the baby touch the stove". The republic will survive as long as the dollar does. The only question is how long that will be. My predictions have a scary habit of being right. I just think things will happen sooner than they do (like the housing crash) I just hope my prediction of the debt bubble crash outlives me. If Biden wins and the Senate goes Democrat, I believe we'll see some drastic changes to this country. By opening the borders, making citizens of the illegals already here, buying more votes with welfare, we'll not see Republicans in charge for a long time. Look at the cities and states with the big problems now. They're not, for the most part, run by Republicans. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:12:30 -0400, John wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:50:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:36:24 -0400, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden I am getting resigned to the idea that we will get Biden and I just say the same thing I usually do when people do something dumb "Sometimes you need to let the baby touch the stove". The republic will survive as long as the dollar does. The only question is how long that will be. My predictions have a scary habit of being right. I just think things will happen sooner than they do (like the housing crash) I just hope my prediction of the debt bubble crash outlives me. If Biden wins and the Senate goes Democrat, I believe we'll see some drastic changes to this country. By opening the borders, making citizens of the illegals already here, buying more votes with welfare, we'll not see Republicans in charge for a long time. Look at the cities and states with the big problems now. They're not, for the most part, run by Republicans. I am far more concerned with the Senate and the house than the president but my real interest is the local elections where hundreds of votes can carry the day and my personal interests are more at stake. I have gone out of my way to be sure the Council has heard me speak and the town manager knows me. That is how I got our road fixed in a day. |
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 03:32:22 -0500, Boating All Out
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 03:32:22 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Probably best if you stick to talking about boats in this NG. :-) === True but as a former New Yorker I know what a scumbag DJT is and am constantly amazed at how many people ignore his ignorant assertions. We understand that. The problem is he Democrat’s are putting up bigger crap. Just look at what Nancy and Chuck have done with the virus. |
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wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 03:32:22 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Probably best if you stick to talking about boats in this NG. :-) === True but as a former New Yorker I know what a scumbag DJT is and am constantly amazed at how many people ignore his ignorant assertions. We understand that. The problem is he Democrat’s are putting up bigger crap. Just look at what Nancy and Chuck have done with the virus. And I also think Trump has done a better job as POTUS than the previous 5. |
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:33:07 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:12:30 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:50:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:36:24 -0400, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden I am getting resigned to the idea that we will get Biden and I just say the same thing I usually do when people do something dumb "Sometimes you need to let the baby touch the stove". The republic will survive as long as the dollar does. The only question is how long that will be. My predictions have a scary habit of being right. I just think things will happen sooner than they do (like the housing crash) I just hope my prediction of the debt bubble crash outlives me. If Biden wins and the Senate goes Democrat, I believe we'll see some drastic changes to this country. By opening the borders, making citizens of the illegals already here, buying more votes with welfare, we'll not see Republicans in charge for a long time. Look at the cities and states with the big problems now. They're not, for the most part, run by Republicans. I am far more concerned with the Senate and the house than the president but my real interest is the local elections where hundreds of votes can carry the day and my personal interests are more at stake. I have gone out of my way to be sure the Council has heard me speak and the town manager knows me. That is how I got our road fixed in a day. Of course. That would explain your non-voting for a potential president. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 00:12:48 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 10:22:36 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 03:32:22 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Probably best if you stick to talking about boats in this NG. :-) === True but as a former New Yorker I know what a scumbag DJT is and am constantly amazed at how many people ignore his ignorant assertions. See the advantage of voting for Gary. I don't have to admit I voted for Trump or Hillary. The copout! You could have written in your own name and had something to be proud of! -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On 8/24/20 1:41 PM, John wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:33:07 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:12:30 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:50:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:36:24 -0400, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden I am getting resigned to the idea that we will get Biden and I just say the same thing I usually do when people do something dumb "Sometimes you need to let the baby touch the stove". The republic will survive as long as the dollar does. The only question is how long that will be. My predictions have a scary habit of being right. I just think things will happen sooner than they do (like the housing crash) I just hope my prediction of the debt bubble crash outlives me. If Biden wins and the Senate goes Democrat, I believe we'll see some drastic changes to this country. By opening the borders, making citizens of the illegals already here, buying more votes with welfare, we'll not see Republicans in charge for a long time. Look at the cities and states with the big problems now. They're not, for the most part, run by Republicans. I am far more concerned with the Senate and the house than the president but my real interest is the local elections where hundreds of votes can carry the day and my personal interests are more at stake. I have gone out of my way to be sure the Council has heard me speak and the town manager knows me. That is how I got our road fixed in a day. Of course. That would explain your non-voting for a potential president. -- Freedom Isn't Free! No matter who wins, Gregory can say "I didn't vote for him". I guess he hates trump and Biden equally. There's no other explanation for why he won't do his patriotic duty. |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:48:41 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote:
On 8/24/20 1:41 PM, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:33:07 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:12:30 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:50:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:36:24 -0400, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden I am getting resigned to the idea that we will get Biden and I just say the same thing I usually do when people do something dumb "Sometimes you need to let the baby touch the stove". The republic will survive as long as the dollar does. The only question is how long that will be. My predictions have a scary habit of being right. I just think things will happen sooner than they do (like the housing crash) I just hope my prediction of the debt bubble crash outlives me. If Biden wins and the Senate goes Democrat, I believe we'll see some drastic changes to this country. By opening the borders, making citizens of the illegals already here, buying more votes with welfare, we'll not see Republicans in charge for a long time. Look at the cities and states with the big problems now. They're not, for the most part, run by Republicans. I am far more concerned with the Senate and the house than the president but my real interest is the local elections where hundreds of votes can carry the day and my personal interests are more at stake. I have gone out of my way to be sure the Council has heard me speak and the town manager knows me. That is how I got our road fixed in a day. Of course. That would explain your non-voting for a potential president. -- Freedom Isn't Free! No matter who wins, Gregory can say "I didn't vote for him". I guess he hates trump and Biden equally. There's no other explanation for why he won't do his patriotic duty. My patriotic duty is to vote for the candidate that best represents my views, not to hold my nose and vote for someone I do not agree with. |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:48:41 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote:
On 8/24/20 1:41 PM, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:33:07 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:12:30 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:50:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:36:24 -0400, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden I am getting resigned to the idea that we will get Biden and I just say the same thing I usually do when people do something dumb "Sometimes you need to let the baby touch the stove". The republic will survive as long as the dollar does. The only question is how long that will be. My predictions have a scary habit of being right. I just think things will happen sooner than they do (like the housing crash) I just hope my prediction of the debt bubble crash outlives me. If Biden wins and the Senate goes Democrat, I believe we'll see some drastic changes to this country. By opening the borders, making citizens of the illegals already here, buying more votes with welfare, we'll not see Republicans in charge for a long time. Look at the cities and states with the big problems now. They're not, for the most part, run by Republicans. I am far more concerned with the Senate and the house than the president but my real interest is the local elections where hundreds of votes can carry the day and my personal interests are more at stake. I have gone out of my way to be sure the Council has heard me speak and the town manager knows me. That is how I got our road fixed in a day. Of course. That would explain your non-voting for a potential president. -- Freedom Isn't Free! No matter who wins, Gregory can say "I didn't vote for him". I guess he hates trump and Biden equally. There's no other explanation for why he won't do his patriotic duty. === That's a bit harsh. His patriotic duty is to vote, not to vote for someone you approve of. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:48:06 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:48:41 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote: On 8/24/20 1:41 PM, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:33:07 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:12:30 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:50:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:36:24 -0400, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden I am getting resigned to the idea that we will get Biden and I just say the same thing I usually do when people do something dumb "Sometimes you need to let the baby touch the stove". The republic will survive as long as the dollar does. The only question is how long that will be. My predictions have a scary habit of being right. I just think things will happen sooner than they do (like the housing crash) I just hope my prediction of the debt bubble crash outlives me. If Biden wins and the Senate goes Democrat, I believe we'll see some drastic changes to this country. By opening the borders, making citizens of the illegals already here, buying more votes with welfare, we'll not see Republicans in charge for a long time. Look at the cities and states with the big problems now. They're not, for the most part, run by Republicans. I am far more concerned with the Senate and the house than the president but my real interest is the local elections where hundreds of votes can carry the day and my personal interests are more at stake. I have gone out of my way to be sure the Council has heard me speak and the town manager knows me. That is how I got our road fixed in a day. Of course. That would explain your non-voting for a potential president. -- Freedom Isn't Free! No matter who wins, Gregory can say "I didn't vote for him". I guess he hates trump and Biden equally. There's no other explanation for why he won't do his patriotic duty. === That's a bit harsh. His patriotic duty is to vote, not to vote for someone you approve of. I saw nothing in that comment suggesting Greg vote for someone Justan approved of, only that he vote. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On 8/24/20 9:48 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:48:41 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote: On 8/24/20 1:41 PM, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:33:07 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:12:30 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:50:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:36:24 -0400, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden I am getting resigned to the idea that we will get Biden and I just say the same thing I usually do when people do something dumb "Sometimes you need to let the baby touch the stove". The republic will survive as long as the dollar does. The only question is how long that will be. My predictions have a scary habit of being right. I just think things will happen sooner than they do (like the housing crash) I just hope my prediction of the debt bubble crash outlives me. If Biden wins and the Senate goes Democrat, I believe we'll see some drastic changes to this country. By opening the borders, making citizens of the illegals already here, buying more votes with welfare, we'll not see Republicans in charge for a long time. Look at the cities and states with the big problems now. They're not, for the most part, run by Republicans. I am far more concerned with the Senate and the house than the president but my real interest is the local elections where hundreds of votes can carry the day and my personal interests are more at stake. I have gone out of my way to be sure the Council has heard me speak and the town manager knows me. That is how I got our road fixed in a day. Of course. That would explain your non-voting for a potential president. -- Freedom Isn't Free! No matter who wins, Gregory can say "I didn't vote for him". I guess he hates trump and Biden equally. There's no other explanation for why he won't do his patriotic duty. === That's a bit harsh. His patriotic duty is to vote, not to vote for someone you approve of. You're reading in to it something that wasn't said. A Fat Harryism, as it were. ;-) The way I see it, he's throwing his vote away. Like it or not one of the two will be the next president. He should choose which he thinks will better represent the country. |
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On 8/25/20 6:04 AM, John wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:48:06 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:48:41 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote: On 8/24/20 1:41 PM, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:33:07 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:12:30 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:50:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:36:24 -0400, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden I am getting resigned to the idea that we will get Biden and I just say the same thing I usually do when people do something dumb "Sometimes you need to let the baby touch the stove". The republic will survive as long as the dollar does. The only question is how long that will be. My predictions have a scary habit of being right. I just think things will happen sooner than they do (like the housing crash) I just hope my prediction of the debt bubble crash outlives me. If Biden wins and the Senate goes Democrat, I believe we'll see some drastic changes to this country. By opening the borders, making citizens of the illegals already here, buying more votes with welfare, we'll not see Republicans in charge for a long time. Look at the cities and states with the big problems now. They're not, for the most part, run by Republicans. I am far more concerned with the Senate and the house than the president but my real interest is the local elections where hundreds of votes can carry the day and my personal interests are more at stake. I have gone out of my way to be sure the Council has heard me speak and the town manager knows me. That is how I got our road fixed in a day. Of course. That would explain your non-voting for a potential president. -- Freedom Isn't Free! No matter who wins, Gregory can say "I didn't vote for him". I guess he hates trump and Biden equally. There's no other explanation for why he won't do his patriotic duty. === That's a bit harsh. His patriotic duty is to vote, not to vote for someone you approve of. I saw nothing in that comment suggesting Greg vote for someone Justan approved of, only that he vote. -- Freedom Isn't Free! Thank you! |
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:04:19 -0400, John wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:48:06 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:48:41 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote: On 8/24/20 1:41 PM, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:33:07 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:12:30 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:50:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:36:24 -0400, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden I am getting resigned to the idea that we will get Biden and I just say the same thing I usually do when people do something dumb "Sometimes you need to let the baby touch the stove". The republic will survive as long as the dollar does. The only question is how long that will be. My predictions have a scary habit of being right. I just think things will happen sooner than they do (like the housing crash) I just hope my prediction of the debt bubble crash outlives me. If Biden wins and the Senate goes Democrat, I believe we'll see some drastic changes to this country. By opening the borders, making citizens of the illegals already here, buying more votes with welfare, we'll not see Republicans in charge for a long time. Look at the cities and states with the big problems now. They're not, for the most part, run by Republicans. I am far more concerned with the Senate and the house than the president but my real interest is the local elections where hundreds of votes can carry the day and my personal interests are more at stake. I have gone out of my way to be sure the Council has heard me speak and the town manager knows me. That is how I got our road fixed in a day. Of course. That would explain your non-voting for a potential president. -- Freedom Isn't Free! No matter who wins, Gregory can say "I didn't vote for him". I guess he hates trump and Biden equally. There's no other explanation for why he won't do his patriotic duty. === That's a bit harsh. His patriotic duty is to vote, not to vote for someone you approve of. I saw nothing in that comment suggesting Greg vote for someone Justan approved of, only that he vote. No, you both insist that I vote for "someone who can win" and at this point that is Trump or Biden and if I really felt obligated to vote for the winner, Biden is looking more likely every day. As I said, I really tried to give Trump a chance but he is not maturing. I also can't vote for Biden, so what am I supposed to do? I will pick someone I like, vote for her (if nothing changes Jo Jorgensen) and be resigned I am going to lose. |
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:29:01 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote:
On 8/24/20 9:48 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:48:41 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote: On 8/24/20 1:41 PM, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:33:07 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:12:30 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:50:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:36:24 -0400, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden I am getting resigned to the idea that we will get Biden and I just say the same thing I usually do when people do something dumb "Sometimes you need to let the baby touch the stove". The republic will survive as long as the dollar does. The only question is how long that will be. My predictions have a scary habit of being right. I just think things will happen sooner than they do (like the housing crash) I just hope my prediction of the debt bubble crash outlives me. If Biden wins and the Senate goes Democrat, I believe we'll see some drastic changes to this country. By opening the borders, making citizens of the illegals already here, buying more votes with welfare, we'll not see Republicans in charge for a long time. Look at the cities and states with the big problems now. They're not, for the most part, run by Republicans. I am far more concerned with the Senate and the house than the president but my real interest is the local elections where hundreds of votes can carry the day and my personal interests are more at stake. I have gone out of my way to be sure the Council has heard me speak and the town manager knows me. That is how I got our road fixed in a day. Of course. That would explain your non-voting for a potential president. -- Freedom Isn't Free! No matter who wins, Gregory can say "I didn't vote for him". I guess he hates trump and Biden equally. There's no other explanation for why he won't do his patriotic duty. === That's a bit harsh. His patriotic duty is to vote, not to vote for someone you approve of. You're reading in to it something that wasn't said. A Fat Harryism, as it were. ;-) The way I see it, he's throwing his vote away. Like it or not one of the two will be the next president. He should choose which he thinks will better represent the country. Roughly half the population throws their vote away in every election. Hillary would point out it was far more than half in 2016. |
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On 8/25/20 10:49 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:04:19 -0400, John wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:48:06 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:48:41 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote: On 8/24/20 1:41 PM, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:33:07 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:12:30 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:50:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:36:24 -0400, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden I am getting resigned to the idea that we will get Biden and I just say the same thing I usually do when people do something dumb "Sometimes you need to let the baby touch the stove". The republic will survive as long as the dollar does. The only question is how long that will be. My predictions have a scary habit of being right. I just think things will happen sooner than they do (like the housing crash) I just hope my prediction of the debt bubble crash outlives me. If Biden wins and the Senate goes Democrat, I believe we'll see some drastic changes to this country. By opening the borders, making citizens of the illegals already here, buying more votes with welfare, we'll not see Republicans in charge for a long time. Look at the cities and states with the big problems now. They're not, for the most part, run by Republicans. I am far more concerned with the Senate and the house than the president but my real interest is the local elections where hundreds of votes can carry the day and my personal interests are more at stake. I have gone out of my way to be sure the Council has heard me speak and the town manager knows me. That is how I got our road fixed in a day. Of course. That would explain your non-voting for a potential president. -- Freedom Isn't Free! No matter who wins, Gregory can say "I didn't vote for him". I guess he hates trump and Biden equally. There's no other explanation for why he won't do his patriotic duty. === That's a bit harsh. His patriotic duty is to vote, not to vote for someone you approve of. I saw nothing in that comment suggesting Greg vote for someone Justan approved of, only that he vote. No, you both insist that I vote for "someone who can win" and at this point that is Trump or Biden and if I really felt obligated to vote for the winner, Biden is looking more likely every day. As I said, I really tried to give Trump a chance but he is not maturing. I also can't vote for Biden, so what am I supposed to do? I will pick someone I like, vote for her (if nothing changes Jo Jorgensen) and be resigned I am going to lose. For me the choice is easy. I am going to vote for the one who will act for the country, not his party. Besides all the swamp dwellas smell pretty bad to me. |
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On 8/25/20 10:54 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:29:01 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote: On 8/24/20 9:48 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:48:41 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote: On 8/24/20 1:41 PM, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:33:07 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:12:30 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:50:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:36:24 -0400, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden I am getting resigned to the idea that we will get Biden and I just say the same thing I usually do when people do something dumb "Sometimes you need to let the baby touch the stove". The republic will survive as long as the dollar does. The only question is how long that will be. My predictions have a scary habit of being right. I just think things will happen sooner than they do (like the housing crash) I just hope my prediction of the debt bubble crash outlives me. If Biden wins and the Senate goes Democrat, I believe we'll see some drastic changes to this country. By opening the borders, making citizens of the illegals already here, buying more votes with welfare, we'll not see Republicans in charge for a long time. Look at the cities and states with the big problems now. They're not, for the most part, run by Republicans. I am far more concerned with the Senate and the house than the president but my real interest is the local elections where hundreds of votes can carry the day and my personal interests are more at stake. I have gone out of my way to be sure the Council has heard me speak and the town manager knows me. That is how I got our road fixed in a day. Of course. That would explain your non-voting for a potential president. -- Freedom Isn't Free! No matter who wins, Gregory can say "I didn't vote for him". I guess he hates trump and Biden equally. There's no other explanation for why he won't do his patriotic duty. === That's a bit harsh. His patriotic duty is to vote, not to vote for someone you approve of. You're reading in to it something that wasn't said. A Fat Harryism, as it were. ;-) The way I see it, he's throwing his vote away. Like it or not one of the two will be the next president. He should choose which he thinks will better represent the country. Roughly half the population throws their vote away in every election. Hillary would point out it was far more than half in 2016. Thats Fat Harry speak. This isnt a horse race. Bet on the one you want to win not the one you think will win. |
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 12:49:43 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:04:19 -0400, John wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:48:06 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:48:41 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote: On 8/24/20 1:41 PM, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:33:07 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:12:30 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:50:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:36:24 -0400, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden I am getting resigned to the idea that we will get Biden and I just say the same thing I usually do when people do something dumb "Sometimes you need to let the baby touch the stove". The republic will survive as long as the dollar does. The only question is how long that will be. My predictions have a scary habit of being right. I just think things will happen sooner than they do (like the housing crash) I just hope my prediction of the debt bubble crash outlives me. If Biden wins and the Senate goes Democrat, I believe we'll see some drastic changes to this country. By opening the borders, making citizens of the illegals already here, buying more votes with welfare, we'll not see Republicans in charge for a long time. Look at the cities and states with the big problems now. They're not, for the most part, run by Republicans. I am far more concerned with the Senate and the house than the president but my real interest is the local elections where hundreds of votes can carry the day and my personal interests are more at stake. I have gone out of my way to be sure the Council has heard me speak and the town manager knows me. That is how I got our road fixed in a day. Of course. That would explain your non-voting for a potential president. -- Freedom Isn't Free! No matter who wins, Gregory can say "I didn't vote for him". I guess he hates trump and Biden equally. There's no other explanation for why he won't do his patriotic duty. === That's a bit harsh. His patriotic duty is to vote, not to vote for someone you approve of. I saw nothing in that comment suggesting Greg vote for someone Justan approved of, only that he vote. No, you both insist that I vote for "someone who can win" and at this point that is Trump or Biden and if I really felt obligated to vote for the winner, Biden is looking more likely every day. As I said, I really tried to give Trump a chance but he is not maturing. I also can't vote for Biden, so what am I supposed to do? I will pick someone I like, vote for her (if nothing changes Jo Jorgensen) and be resigned I am going to lose. Bull****. Vote for the one with the least faults. Or just cop out. It's your choice. The pros and cons of Biden and Trump are not identical. Your vote for Jo, knowing she (he?) can't win is just another cop out. Do your thing, but please don't try to justify a copout as something more than what it is. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 12:54:34 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:29:01 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote: On 8/24/20 9:48 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:48:41 -0000 (UTC), Justan wrote: On 8/24/20 1:41 PM, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 22:33:07 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:12:30 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:50:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:36:24 -0400, wrote: from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans/former-republican-cia-fbi-heads-and-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN25G2C5 ============ Former Republican CIA, FBI heads and national security officials to back Biden I am getting resigned to the idea that we will get Biden and I just say the same thing I usually do when people do something dumb "Sometimes you need to let the baby touch the stove". The republic will survive as long as the dollar does. The only question is how long that will be. My predictions have a scary habit of being right. I just think things will happen sooner than they do (like the housing crash) I just hope my prediction of the debt bubble crash outlives me. If Biden wins and the Senate goes Democrat, I believe we'll see some drastic changes to this country. By opening the borders, making citizens of the illegals already here, buying more votes with welfare, we'll not see Republicans in charge for a long time. Look at the cities and states with the big problems now. They're not, for the most part, run by Republicans. I am far more concerned with the Senate and the house than the president but my real interest is the local elections where hundreds of votes can carry the day and my personal interests are more at stake. I have gone out of my way to be sure the Council has heard me speak and the town manager knows me. That is how I got our road fixed in a day. Of course. That would explain your non-voting for a potential president. -- Freedom Isn't Free! No matter who wins, Gregory can say "I didn't vote for him". I guess he hates trump and Biden equally. There's no other explanation for why he won't do his patriotic duty. === That's a bit harsh. His patriotic duty is to vote, not to vote for someone you approve of. You're reading in to it something that wasn't said. A Fat Harryism, as it were. ;-) The way I see it, he's throwing his vote away. Like it or not one of the two will be the next president. He should choose which he thinks will better represent the country. Roughly half the population throws their vote away in every election. Hillary would point out it was far more than half in 2016. Well, that's a great reason to cop out! -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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