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Vaccine ?
A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages. Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. -- MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes |
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On 5/18/2020 12:54 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. The article on Moderna's work suggested that approval by the FDA might be accelerated under an emergency approval assuming the second phase of testing is as successful as the first phase. Approval *could* be as early as this fall. The challenge then will be to manufacture and distribute enough to vaccinate most or all of the US population. It *could* turn out that those who have had covid-19 and recovered will not require the vaccine. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. |
Vaccine ?
On Mon, 18 May 2020 13:47:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 5/18/2020 12:54 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. The article on Moderna's work suggested that approval by the FDA might be accelerated under an emergency approval assuming the second phase of testing is as successful as the first phase. Approval *could* be as early as this fall. The challenge then will be to manufacture and distribute enough to vaccinate most or all of the US population. It *could* turn out that those who have had covid-19 and recovered will not require the vaccine. I would probably get the vaccine because I think any antibodies are better than none but I will wait to see if the vaccine works on next year's virus. This may just end up being one more thing in that annual flu shot cocktail. I am on the fence about how I feel about skipping the normal 16-18 month approval process but the Libertarian in me says give it a chance as long as the people taking it understand this is uncharted water. Don't come crying to the FDA if you get a 4 hour erection that won't go away ;-) I want this panic to be over, whatever it takes. |
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On 5/18/2020 3:07 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. I learned a bit more about it. The vaccine Moderna is developing has *no* covid-19 virus in it .... dead or alive. Instead, it is a man-made molecule that mimics the "spikes" on the covid-19 (and other) virus and fools the immune system into developing antibodies. This could be a game changer ... not only for covid-19 but for many other viruses. First time this approach has been taken. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 5/18/2020 5:06 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020 13:47:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/18/2020 12:54 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. The article on Moderna's work suggested that approval by the FDA might be accelerated under an emergency approval assuming the second phase of testing is as successful as the first phase. Approval *could* be as early as this fall. The challenge then will be to manufacture and distribute enough to vaccinate most or all of the US population. It *could* turn out that those who have had covid-19 and recovered will not require the vaccine. I would probably get the vaccine because I think any antibodies are better than none but I will wait to see if the vaccine works on next year's virus. This may just end up being one more thing in that annual flu shot cocktail. I am on the fence about how I feel about skipping the normal 16-18 month approval process but the Libertarian in me says give it a chance as long as the people taking it understand this is uncharted water. Don't come crying to the FDA if you get a 4 hour erection that won't go away ;-) I want this panic to be over, whatever it takes. I may be overly optimistic but the approach Moderna has taken is a first. There's no virus in the vaccine. It's basically harmless (according to Moderna) other than a sore arm at high doses. It's a man-made molecule with spikes that fools the human immune system into making antibodies against it as if it were a virus. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
Vaccine ?
On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400,
wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. |
Vaccine ?
On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. |
Vaccine ?
On Mon, 18 May 2020 18:16:55 -0400,
wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask If I ever do a mask this is the look I am going for. A few more weeks without a haircut and I will be close https://tinyurl.com/y79w6dl8 |
Vaccine ?
On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. |
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On Mon, 18 May 2020 20:33:13 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020 18:16:55 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask If I ever do a mask this is the look I am going for. A few more weeks without a haircut and I will be close https://tinyurl.com/y79w6dl8 === You forgot the note for the teller. :-) -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. Not the sunburn, the UV effects on the stuff. Is a chemical treatment for skin keratosis. |
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On 5/18/2020 8:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. Obviously, you still don't understand the purpose of wearing a mask. It is *not* to filter a 0.15 micron virus. A standard HEPA filter won't even do that. The purpose of wearing a mask is to reduce the "spread" of droplets from a cough or sneeze to reduce the chances of others becoming infected. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Tue, 19 May 2020 05:16:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 5/18/2020 8:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. Obviously, you still don't understand the purpose of wearing a mask. It is *not* to filter a 0.15 micron virus. A standard HEPA filter won't even do that. The purpose of wearing a mask is to reduce the "spread" of droplets from a cough or sneeze to reduce the chances of others becoming infected. I gave it up! -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
Vaccine ?
On Tue, 19 May 2020 05:16:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 5/18/2020 8:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. Obviously, you still don't understand the purpose of wearing a mask. It is *not* to filter a 0.15 micron virus. A standard HEPA filter won't even do that. The purpose of wearing a mask is to reduce the "spread" of droplets from a cough or sneeze to reduce the chances of others becoming infected. The flaw is the "droplets" are very small too or they would not hang in the air. There is no reason to believe a bandanna would stop them. In fact it could actually collect them while you are breathing and be the chamber of the gun when you sneeze. I have an experiment I am thinking of doing. Take a couple layers of T shirt. Mist some red food coloring on one side enough to simulate breathing through it during an hour of shopping. Then pop a balloon held against that side, simulating a sneeze and see how far the red spray goes through the other side. Anyone have a prediction? |
Vaccine ?
On 5/19/2020 2:17 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2020 05:16:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/18/2020 8:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. Obviously, you still don't understand the purpose of wearing a mask. It is *not* to filter a 0.15 micron virus. A standard HEPA filter won't even do that. The purpose of wearing a mask is to reduce the "spread" of droplets from a cough or sneeze to reduce the chances of others becoming infected. The flaw is the "droplets" are very small too or they would not hang in the air. There is no reason to believe a bandanna would stop them. In fact it could actually collect them while you are breathing and be the chamber of the gun when you sneeze. I have an experiment I am thinking of doing. Take a couple layers of T shirt. Mist some red food coloring on one side enough to simulate breathing through it during an hour of shopping. Then pop a balloon held against that side, simulating a sneeze and see how far the red spray goes through the other side. Anyone have a prediction? I'll be content with believing the two university studies I sent you links to that used complex computer modeling to demonstrates that a mask reduces how far those droplets go and spread. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
Vaccine ?
On Tue, 19 May 2020 08:06:10 -0400, John wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2020 05:16:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/18/2020 8:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. Obviously, you still don't understand the purpose of wearing a mask. It is *not* to filter a 0.15 micron virus. A standard HEPA filter won't even do that. The purpose of wearing a mask is to reduce the "spread" of droplets from a cough or sneeze to reduce the chances of others becoming infected. I gave it up! That is what they want you to do. There was an interesting question asked on Facebook. "If masks work why did all the businesses have to close and if they don't why do we have to wear them"? |
Vaccine ?
On 5/19/2020 3:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/19/2020 2:17 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 05:16:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/18/2020 8:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth?Â* I have't but I'm thinking about it.Â* They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today.Â*Â* Mostly to keep the sun off my face.Â*Â* Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment.Â* Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose.Â*Â* May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. Obviously, you still don't understand the purpose of wearing a mask. It is *not* to filter a 0.15 micron virus.Â* A standard HEPA filter won't even do that. The purpose of wearing a mask is to reduce the "spread" of droplets from a cough or sneeze to reduce the chances of others becoming infected. The flaw is the "droplets" are very small too or they would not hang in the air. There is no reason to believe a bandanna would stop them. In fact it could actually collect them while you are breathing and be the chamber of the gun when you sneeze. I have an experiment I am thinking of doing. Take a couple layers of T shirt. Mist some red food coloring on one side enough to simulate breathing through it during an hour of shopping. Then pop a balloon held against that side, simulating a sneeze and see how far the red spray goes through the other side. Anyone have a prediction? I'll be content with believing the two university studies I sent you links to that used complex computer modeling to demonstrates that a mask reduces how far those droplets go and spread. BTW Greg .... After reading your "experiment", I realized that again you don't seem to grasp the function or purpose of a mask. Of course some of your red food coloring is going to go through to the outside of the layers of shirt. A fabric mask isn't going to prevent a covid-19 molecule from going through the mask either. The purpose .... again and again .... of a mask is to reduce how FAR those moisture droplets, possibly containing the covid-19 virus TRAVEL or from SPREADING to others around you. It was (and is still recommended) that six feet was enough to prevent the droplets from affecting anyone however the computer models I linked to proved otherwise. Your test is isn't valid anyway. A valid test would compare how far the red food coloring goes with and then without a mask. To test without a mask, you'd have to take a mouthful of red food coloring then have someone tickle your nose until you sneezed and then see who gets wet. :-) -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
Vaccine ?
On Tue, 19 May 2020 15:46:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 5/19/2020 2:17 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 05:16:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/18/2020 8:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. Obviously, you still don't understand the purpose of wearing a mask. It is *not* to filter a 0.15 micron virus. A standard HEPA filter won't even do that. The purpose of wearing a mask is to reduce the "spread" of droplets from a cough or sneeze to reduce the chances of others becoming infected. The flaw is the "droplets" are very small too or they would not hang in the air. There is no reason to believe a bandanna would stop them. In fact it could actually collect them while you are breathing and be the chamber of the gun when you sneeze. I have an experiment I am thinking of doing. Take a couple layers of T shirt. Mist some red food coloring on one side enough to simulate breathing through it during an hour of shopping. Then pop a balloon held against that side, simulating a sneeze and see how far the red spray goes through the other side. Anyone have a prediction? I'll be content with believing the two university studies I sent you links to that used complex computer modeling to demonstrates that a mask reduces how far those droplets go and spread. The question is not how far, it is how many. If you are coughing on the apples or the counter top, you have spread the infection. It is really the very tiny ones that can hang in the air and I doubt your bandanna is stopping many of them. You probably know more about aerosols than I do. How big is a droplet that can ride on air? (I suppose I could google it). My guess is we are talking about microns tho. |
Vaccine ?
On 5/19/2020 4:36 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2020 15:46:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/19/2020 2:17 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 05:16:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/18/2020 8:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. Obviously, you still don't understand the purpose of wearing a mask. It is *not* to filter a 0.15 micron virus. A standard HEPA filter won't even do that. The purpose of wearing a mask is to reduce the "spread" of droplets from a cough or sneeze to reduce the chances of others becoming infected. The flaw is the "droplets" are very small too or they would not hang in the air. There is no reason to believe a bandanna would stop them. In fact it could actually collect them while you are breathing and be the chamber of the gun when you sneeze. I have an experiment I am thinking of doing. Take a couple layers of T shirt. Mist some red food coloring on one side enough to simulate breathing through it during an hour of shopping. Then pop a balloon held against that side, simulating a sneeze and see how far the red spray goes through the other side. Anyone have a prediction? I'll be content with believing the two university studies I sent you links to that used complex computer modeling to demonstrates that a mask reduces how far those droplets go and spread. The question is not how far, it is how many. If you are coughing on the apples or the counter top, you have spread the infection. It is really the very tiny ones that can hang in the air and I doubt your bandanna is stopping many of them. You probably know more about aerosols than I do. How big is a droplet that can ride on air? (I suppose I could google it). My guess is we are talking about microns tho. Some are lighter than air and can rise which further complicates the spread. I guess we have kicked the crap out of this horse. You think a mask is worthless. Most of the rest of the world including docs and infectious disease experts think otherwise. So, don't wear a mask. Don't complain about your $300 fine though if caught in MA not wearing one in close proximity to other people. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
Vaccine ?
On Tue, 19 May 2020 14:17:39 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2020 05:16:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/18/2020 8:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. Obviously, you still don't understand the purpose of wearing a mask. It is *not* to filter a 0.15 micron virus. A standard HEPA filter won't even do that. The purpose of wearing a mask is to reduce the "spread" of droplets from a cough or sneeze to reduce the chances of others becoming infected. The flaw is the "droplets" are very small too or they would not hang in the air. There is no reason to believe a bandanna would stop them. In fact it could actually collect them while you are breathing and be the chamber of the gun when you sneeze. I have an experiment I am thinking of doing. Take a couple layers of T shirt. Mist some red food coloring on one side enough to simulate breathing through it during an hour of shopping. Then pop a balloon held against that side, simulating a sneeze and see how far the red spray goes through the other side. Anyone have a prediction? Go back to your mouthfull of food coloring. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
Vaccine ?
On Tue, 19 May 2020 17:54:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 5/19/2020 4:36 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 15:46:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/19/2020 2:17 PM, wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 05:16:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/18/2020 8:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. Obviously, you still don't understand the purpose of wearing a mask. It is *not* to filter a 0.15 micron virus. A standard HEPA filter won't even do that. The purpose of wearing a mask is to reduce the "spread" of droplets from a cough or sneeze to reduce the chances of others becoming infected. The flaw is the "droplets" are very small too or they would not hang in the air. There is no reason to believe a bandanna would stop them. In fact it could actually collect them while you are breathing and be the chamber of the gun when you sneeze. I have an experiment I am thinking of doing. Take a couple layers of T shirt. Mist some red food coloring on one side enough to simulate breathing through it during an hour of shopping. Then pop a balloon held against that side, simulating a sneeze and see how far the red spray goes through the other side. Anyone have a prediction? I'll be content with believing the two university studies I sent you links to that used complex computer modeling to demonstrates that a mask reduces how far those droplets go and spread. The question is not how far, it is how many. If you are coughing on the apples or the counter top, you have spread the infection. It is really the very tiny ones that can hang in the air and I doubt your bandanna is stopping many of them. You probably know more about aerosols than I do. How big is a droplet that can ride on air? (I suppose I could google it). My guess is we are talking about microns tho. Some are lighter than air and can rise which further complicates the spread. I guess we have kicked the crap out of this horse. You think a mask is worthless. Most of the rest of the world including docs and infectious disease experts think otherwise. So, don't wear a mask. Don't complain about your $300 fine though if caught in MA not wearing one in close proximity to other people. I don't plan on being in Massachusetts but I still think the charge would be tossed if I got a lawyer. |
Vaccine ?
On Tue, 19 May 2020 18:14:02 -0400, John wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2020 14:17:39 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 05:16:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/18/2020 8:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. Obviously, you still don't understand the purpose of wearing a mask. It is *not* to filter a 0.15 micron virus. A standard HEPA filter won't even do that. The purpose of wearing a mask is to reduce the "spread" of droplets from a cough or sneeze to reduce the chances of others becoming infected. The flaw is the "droplets" are very small too or they would not hang in the air. There is no reason to believe a bandanna would stop them. In fact it could actually collect them while you are breathing and be the chamber of the gun when you sneeze. I have an experiment I am thinking of doing. Take a couple layers of T shirt. Mist some red food coloring on one side enough to simulate breathing through it during an hour of shopping. Then pop a balloon held against that side, simulating a sneeze and see how far the red spray goes through the other side. Anyone have a prediction? Go back to your mouthfull of food coloring. I was trying to give a better real world test. |
Vaccine ?
On Tue, 19 May 2020 21:31:02 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2020 18:14:02 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 14:17:39 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 05:16:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/18/2020 8:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. Obviously, you still don't understand the purpose of wearing a mask. It is *not* to filter a 0.15 micron virus. A standard HEPA filter won't even do that. The purpose of wearing a mask is to reduce the "spread" of droplets from a cough or sneeze to reduce the chances of others becoming infected. The flaw is the "droplets" are very small too or they would not hang in the air. There is no reason to believe a bandanna would stop them. In fact it could actually collect them while you are breathing and be the chamber of the gun when you sneeze. I have an experiment I am thinking of doing. Take a couple layers of T shirt. Mist some red food coloring on one side enough to simulate breathing through it during an hour of shopping. Then pop a balloon held against that side, simulating a sneeze and see how far the red spray goes through the other side. Anyone have a prediction? Go back to your mouthfull of food coloring. I was trying to give a better real world test. Food coloring in the mouth would be 'real world' enough. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
Vaccine ?
On Wed, 20 May 2020 07:48:18 -0400, John wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2020 21:31:02 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 18:14:02 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 14:17:39 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 05:16:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/18/2020 8:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.Â* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. Obviously, you still don't understand the purpose of wearing a mask. It is *not* to filter a 0.15 micron virus. A standard HEPA filter won't even do that. The purpose of wearing a mask is to reduce the "spread" of droplets from a cough or sneeze to reduce the chances of others becoming infected. The flaw is the "droplets" are very small too or they would not hang in the air. There is no reason to believe a bandanna would stop them. In fact it could actually collect them while you are breathing and be the chamber of the gun when you sneeze. I have an experiment I am thinking of doing. Take a couple layers of T shirt. Mist some red food coloring on one side enough to simulate breathing through it during an hour of shopping. Then pop a balloon held against that side, simulating a sneeze and see how far the red spray goes through the other side. Anyone have a prediction? Go back to your mouthfull of food coloring. I was trying to give a better real world test. Food coloring in the mouth would be 'real world' enough. Maybe it is just the Barbarosa aspect of it that bothers me. I am scary enough these days without "blood" dripping down my chin. |
Vaccine ?
On Wed, 20 May 2020 16:55:45 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 20 May 2020 07:48:18 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 21:31:02 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 18:14:02 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 14:17:39 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 05:16:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/18/2020 8:37 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 23:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 17:51:44 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:54:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:07:47 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2020 12:54:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/18/20 10:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: A Cambridge, MA company "Moderna" has released the results of their Phase 1 tests of a covid-19 vaccine and has been given the go-ahead to proceed to phase II testing. If the results of Phase II are successful, an emergency go-ahead to start full scale immunizations may be forthcoming as early as this fall. The vaccine was tested in three dosages.* Even the lowest dosage resulted in antibodies to fight the virus at a level similar to those people who contacted covid-19 and survived. Details he https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/18/early-data-show-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-response/ It'll be nice when and if there are effective vaccines. I still think we are a long way away from that, assuming the usual sort of testing once some real possibilities are found. They are thinking the actual trials will be in the general population. It is all part of that "Do Something Now" mantra you have been chanting. === Much as I'd like to see those vaccine trials be successful, I'm not sure I'd want any friends or family members in the first round of testing. I wonder if you get a T shirt that says "I'm OK" so nobody hassles me about that stupid mask. If so I would give it a try. === Have you tried one of those fishing hoods that covers your nose and mouth? I have't but I'm thinking about it. They've got to be more comfortable than an N95 mask. https://www.amazon.com/Retail-Sign-Systems-Hunting%EF%BC%88Solid-Camouflage%EF%BC%89/dp/B085WRVQNX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z5PP8RYMK4X9&dchild=1&keywords=fis hing+face+mask I wore one today. Mostly to keep the sun off my face. Just finishing flourouracil skin treatment. Mine does not fit sung over the mouth and nose. May just be old. This really does show the insanity of the whole thing. I doubt any of these things would even filter out sawdust and we are expecting it to stop a virus that is 0.15 microns. If you are worried about sunburn on your nose it might be a thing but otherwise, it is only handy for criminals. Obviously, you still don't understand the purpose of wearing a mask. It is *not* to filter a 0.15 micron virus. A standard HEPA filter won't even do that. The purpose of wearing a mask is to reduce the "spread" of droplets from a cough or sneeze to reduce the chances of others becoming infected. The flaw is the "droplets" are very small too or they would not hang in the air. There is no reason to believe a bandanna would stop them. In fact it could actually collect them while you are breathing and be the chamber of the gun when you sneeze. I have an experiment I am thinking of doing. Take a couple layers of T shirt. Mist some red food coloring on one side enough to simulate breathing through it during an hour of shopping. Then pop a balloon held against that side, simulating a sneeze and see how far the red spray goes through the other side. Anyone have a prediction? Go back to your mouthfull of food coloring. I was trying to give a better real world test. Food coloring in the mouth would be 'real world' enough. Maybe it is just the Barbarosa aspect of it that bothers me. I am scary enough these days without "blood" dripping down my chin. So mix a drop of red with a few drops of yellow. That'd be liveable. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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