Justan Ohlphart wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/29/2019 11:09 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:07:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/29/2019 11:02 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 16:41:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 4:18 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:50:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 3:36 PM, John H. wrote:
Here's a picture of my old one alongside a new one:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QHdU.jpg

Luddite - the new ones have joints so they can bend to go in. The
old one probably won't have a
clearance problem!

Thanks, Don, for mentioning that!


I'd say the old one did it's job.


Yeah, after about 26 years there's still no leak!


This is the first electric water heater for us in a while.
Last one was heated as a zone running from the oil burner.
It worked well but it always bugged me when the oil burner
ran all summer.



Those electrics have anodes also. Took an impact wrench to get my old one out.


To the best of my knowledge the only water heaters with anodes *are*
electric.



The picture above is the one from my gas water heater.



Son of a gun. Yep, gas ones have an anode also.
I read that some of the newer tanks have plastic
liners in them and don't require an anode.

If anyone else is interested in this fascinating
subject, here's an image of both an electric
type and a gas type with all their parts identified:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QJVQ.jpg




Mine is a little different at the top...

https://flic.kr/p/QHJgQk


Why is it different?

Only exhaust stack on a gas heater that I ever saw with a plastic vent
line. Why the need for a blower?

On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 1:30:14 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Justan Ohlphart wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/29/2019 11:09 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:07:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/29/2019 11:02 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 16:41:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 4:18 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:50:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 3:36 PM, John H. wrote:
Here's a picture of my old one alongside a new one:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QHdU.jpg

Luddite - the new ones have joints so they can bend to go in. The
old one probably won't have a
clearance problem!

Thanks, Don, for mentioning that!


I'd say the old one did it's job.


Yeah, after about 26 years there's still no leak!


This is the first electric water heater for us in a while.
Last one was heated as a zone running from the oil burner.
It worked well but it always bugged me when the oil burner
ran all summer.



Those electrics have anodes also. Took an impact wrench to get my old one out.


To the best of my knowledge the only water heaters with anodes *are*
electric.



The picture above is the one from my gas water heater.



Son of a gun. Yep, gas ones have an anode also.
I read that some of the newer tanks have plastic
liners in them and don't require an anode.

If anyone else is interested in this fascinating
subject, here's an image of both an electric
type and a gas type with all their parts identified:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QJVQ.jpg




Mine is a little different at the top...

https://flic.kr/p/QHJgQk


Why is it different?

Only exhaust stack on a gas heater that I ever saw with a plastic vent
line. Why the need for a blower?

The blower is because it is in a location where the exhaust flue is too long to vent naturally. Must be a cold weather thing, they aren't common in the south. Good thing, they are reportedly fairly noisy. The plastic vent is weird.

I was surprised at the PVC water pipes. That's some bad stuff, especially as it ages.

On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 12:28:58 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:18:09 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:14:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/29/2019 11:09 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:07:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/29/2019 11:02 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 16:41:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 4:18 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:50:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 3:36 PM, John H. wrote:
Here's a picture of my old one alongside a new one:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QHdU.jpg

Luddite - the new ones have joints so they can bend to go in. The old one probably won't have a
clearance problem!

Thanks, Don, for mentioning that!


I'd say the old one did it's job.


Yeah, after about 26 years there's still no leak!


This is the first electric water heater for us in a while.
Last one was heated as a zone running from the oil burner.
It worked well but it always bugged me when the oil burner
ran all summer.



Those electrics have anodes also. Took an impact wrench to get my old one out.


To the best of my knowledge the only water heaters with anodes *are*
electric.



The picture above is the one from my gas water heater.



Ha. Now I am going to have to go learn why gas fired
heaters need an anode.

There's still electricity going to the heater. The exhaust fan needs it if nothing else, although I
think mine also needs it for the pilot light.

There was no electricity at all going to the one I had in Maryland.
The flue was convection driven and it had a pilot light.

My exhaust exits through the side of the basement about a foot above ground. Goes through a 3" PVC
pipe all the way from the heater (about 25 feet). Mine has a pilot light also, with a piezo-electric
(sp?) igniter.

On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 13:02:09 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/29/2019 11:09 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:07:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/29/2019 11:02 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 16:41:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 4:18 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:50:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 3:36 PM, John H. wrote:
Here's a picture of my old one alongside a new one:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QHdU.jpg

Luddite - the new ones have joints so they can bend to go in. The
old one probably won't have a
clearance problem!

Thanks, Don, for mentioning that!


I'd say the old one did it's job.


Yeah, after about 26 years there's still no leak!


This is the first electric water heater for us in a while.
Last one was heated as a zone running from the oil burner.
It worked well but it always bugged me when the oil burner
ran all summer.



Those electrics have anodes also. Took an impact wrench to get my old one out.


To the best of my knowledge the only water heaters with anodes *are*
electric.



The picture above is the one from my gas water heater.



Son of a gun. Yep, gas ones have an anode also.
I read that some of the newer tanks have plastic
liners in them and don't require an anode.

If anyone else is interested in this fascinating
subject, here's an image of both an electric
type and a gas type with all their parts identified:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QJVQ.jpg




Mine is a little different at the top...

https://flic.kr/p/QHJgQk

Almost identical to mine.

On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 10:40:29 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 1:30:14 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Justan Ohlphart wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/29/2019 11:09 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:07:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/29/2019 11:02 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 16:41:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 4:18 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:50:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 3:36 PM, John H. wrote:
Here's a picture of my old one alongside a new one:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QHdU.jpg

Luddite - the new ones have joints so they can bend to go in. The
old one probably won't have a
clearance problem!

Thanks, Don, for mentioning that!


I'd say the old one did it's job.


Yeah, after about 26 years there's still no leak!


This is the first electric water heater for us in a while.
Last one was heated as a zone running from the oil burner.
It worked well but it always bugged me when the oil burner
ran all summer.



Those electrics have anodes also. Took an impact wrench to get my old one out.


To the best of my knowledge the only water heaters with anodes *are*
electric.



The picture above is the one from my gas water heater.



Son of a gun. Yep, gas ones have an anode also.
I read that some of the newer tanks have plastic
liners in them and don't require an anode.

If anyone else is interested in this fascinating
subject, here's an image of both an electric
type and a gas type with all their parts identified:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QJVQ.jpg




Mine is a little different at the top...

https://flic.kr/p/QHJgQk


Why is it different?

Only exhaust stack on a gas heater that I ever saw with a plastic vent
line. Why the need for a blower?

The blower is because it is in a location where the exhaust flue is too long to vent naturally. Must be a cold weather thing, they aren't common in the south. Good thing, they are reportedly fairly noisy. The plastic vent is weird.

I was surprised at the PVC water pipes. That's some bad stuff, especially as it ages.

Mine PVC exhaust has been on at least 25 years with nary a problem, but the piping in the house is
copper.

On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 13:02:09 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/29/2019 11:09 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:07:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/29/2019 11:02 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 16:41:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 4:18 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:50:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 3:36 PM, John H. wrote:
Here's a picture of my old one alongside a new one:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QHdU.jpg

Luddite - the new ones have joints so they can bend to go in. The
old one probably won't have a
clearance problem!

Thanks, Don, for mentioning that!


I'd say the old one did it's job.


Yeah, after about 26 years there's still no leak!


This is the first electric water heater for us in a while.
Last one was heated as a zone running from the oil burner.
It worked well but it always bugged me when the oil burner
ran all summer.



Those electrics have anodes also. Took an impact wrench to get my old one out.


To the best of my knowledge the only water heaters with anodes *are*
electric.



The picture above is the one from my gas water heater.



Son of a gun. Yep, gas ones have an anode also.
I read that some of the newer tanks have plastic
liners in them and don't require an anode.

If anyone else is interested in this fascinating
subject, here's an image of both an electric
type and a gas type with all their parts identified:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QJVQ.jpg




Mine is a little different at the top...

https://flic.kr/p/QHJgQk

Why all of that steam punk piping if the house is CPVC?

On 1/29/19 10:47 PM, wrote:

On 30 Jan 2019 02:39:44 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 13:02:09 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/29/2019 11:09 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:07:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/29/2019 11:02 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 16:41:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 4:18 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:50:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 3:36 PM, John H. wrote:
Here's a picture of my old one alongside a new one:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QHdU.jpg

Luddite - the new ones have joints so they can bend to go in. The
old one probably won't have a
clearance problem!

Thanks, Don, for mentioning that!


I'd say the old one did it's job.


Yeah, after about 26 years there's still no leak!


This is the first electric water heater for us in a while.
Last one was heated as a zone running from the oil burner.
It worked well but it always bugged me when the oil burner
ran all summer.



Those electrics have anodes also. Took an impact wrench to get my old one out.


To the best of my knowledge the only water heaters with anodes *are*
electric.



The picture above is the one from my gas water heater.



Son of a gun. Yep, gas ones have an anode also.
I read that some of the newer tanks have plastic
liners in them and don't require an anode.

If anyone else is interested in this fascinating
subject, here's an image of both an electric
type and a gas type with all their parts identified:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QJVQ.jpg




Mine is a little different at the top...

https://flic.kr/p/QHJgQk

Why all of that steam punk piping if the house is CPVC?


Dunno...the previous heater was copper to plastique, too. I didn’t ask.

Union job. Unnecessary expense, parts and labor, for no particular
reason. I suppose the cosmetics appeal to you and that is all that
matters.
I suppose you don't want to hear about the NEC 300.4(A)(1) violation.


(SNERK) Stick to your area of expertise, whatever that might be. I
wouldn't have hired you to help carry the new water heater into the
basement utility room. The contractor we used is experienced, licensed,
insured, has a fixed address, a long history, and guarantees its work.
We weren't installed a tiki bar.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 08:10:56 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/29/19 10:47 PM, wrote:

On 30 Jan 2019 02:39:44 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 13:02:09 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/29/2019 11:09 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:07:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/29/2019 11:02 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 16:41:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 4:18 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:50:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 3:36 PM, John H. wrote:
Here's a picture of my old one alongside a new one:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QHdU.jpg

Luddite - the new ones have joints so they can bend to go in. The
old one probably won't have a
clearance problem!

Thanks, Don, for mentioning that!


I'd say the old one did it's job.


Yeah, after about 26 years there's still no leak!


This is the first electric water heater for us in a while.
Last one was heated as a zone running from the oil burner.
It worked well but it always bugged me when the oil burner
ran all summer.



Those electrics have anodes also. Took an impact wrench to get my old one out.


To the best of my knowledge the only water heaters with anodes *are*
electric.



The picture above is the one from my gas water heater.



Son of a gun. Yep, gas ones have an anode also.
I read that some of the newer tanks have plastic
liners in them and don't require an anode.

If anyone else is interested in this fascinating
subject, here's an image of both an electric
type and a gas type with all their parts identified:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QJVQ.jpg




Mine is a little different at the top...

https://flic.kr/p/QHJgQk

Why all of that steam punk piping if the house is CPVC?


Dunno...the previous heater was copper to plastique, too. I didn’t ask.

Union job. Unnecessary expense, parts and labor, for no particular
reason. I suppose the cosmetics appeal to you and that is all that
matters.
I suppose you don't want to hear about the NEC 300.4(A)(1) violation.


(SNERK) Stick to your area of expertise, whatever that might be. I
wouldn't have hired you to help carry the new water heater into the
basement utility room. The contractor we used is experienced, licensed,
insured, has a fixed address, a long history, and guarantees its work.
We weren't installed a tiki bar.

So, you weren't installed a tiki bar, eh?

Sounds about right.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 08:10:56 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 1/29/19 10:47 PM, wrote:

On 30 Jan 2019 02:39:44 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 13:02:09 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/29/2019 11:09 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:07:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/29/2019 11:02 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 16:41:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 4:18 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:50:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 3:36 PM, John H. wrote:
Here's a picture of my old one alongside a new one:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QHdU.jpg

Luddite - the new ones have joints so they can bend to go in. The
old one probably won't have a
clearance problem!

Thanks, Don, for mentioning that!


I'd say the old one did it's job.


Yeah, after about 26 years there's still no leak!


This is the first electric water heater for us in a while.
Last one was heated as a zone running from the oil burner.
It worked well but it always bugged me when the oil burner
ran all summer.



Those electrics have anodes also. Took an impact wrench to get my old one out.


To the best of my knowledge the only water heaters with anodes *are*
electric.



The picture above is the one from my gas water heater.



Son of a gun. Yep, gas ones have an anode also.
I read that some of the newer tanks have plastic
liners in them and don't require an anode.

If anyone else is interested in this fascinating
subject, here's an image of both an electric
type and a gas type with all their parts identified:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QJVQ.jpg




Mine is a little different at the top...

https://flic.kr/p/QHJgQk

Why all of that steam punk piping if the house is CPVC?


Dunno...the previous heater was copper to plastique, too. I didn’t ask.

Union job. Unnecessary expense, parts and labor, for no particular
reason. I suppose the cosmetics appeal to you and that is all that
matters.
I suppose you don't want to hear about the NEC 300.4(A)(1) violation.


(SNERK) Stick to your area of expertise, whatever that might be. I
wouldn't have hired you to help carry the new water heater into the
basement utility room. The contractor we used is experienced, licensed,
insured, has a fixed address, a long history, and guarantees its work.
We weren't installed a tiki bar.

Yeah, those highly skilled plumbers used push in fittings so they
didn't even need the skill of brazing.
The gas line looks like CSST, again a dumbed down way of doing things.
(not even legal in some places)
Tell me again where all the skill was. Carrying the tank in might be
the hardest part.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/29/19 10:47 PM, wrote:

On 30 Jan 2019 02:39:44 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 13:02:09 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/29/2019 11:09 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:07:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/29/2019 11:02 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 16:41:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 4:18 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:50:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/28/2019 3:36 PM, John H. wrote:
Here's a picture of my old one alongside a new one:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QHdU.jpg

Luddite - the new ones have joints so they can bend to go in. The
old one probably won't have a
clearance problem!

Thanks, Don, for mentioning that!


I'd say the old one did it's job.


Yeah, after about 26 years there's still no leak!


This is the first electric water heater for us in a while.
Last one was heated as a zone running from the oil burner.
It worked well but it always bugged me when the oil burner
ran all summer.



Those electrics have anodes also. Took an impact wrench to get my old one out.


To the best of my knowledge the only water heaters with anodes *are*
electric.



The picture above is the one from my gas water heater.



Son of a gun. Yep, gas ones have an anode also.
I read that some of the newer tanks have plastic
liners in them and don't require an anode.

If anyone else is interested in this fascinating
subject, here's an image of both an electric
type and a gas type with all their parts identified:

http://funkyimg.com/i/2QJVQ.jpg




Mine is a little different at the top...

https://flic.kr/p/QHJgQk

Why all of that steam punk piping if the house is CPVC?


Dunno...the previous heater was copper to plastique, too. I didn’t ask.

Union job. Unnecessary expense, parts and labor, for no particular
reason. I suppose the cosmetics appeal to you and that is all that
matters.
I suppose you don't want to hear about the NEC 300.4(A)(1) violation.


(SNERK) Stick to your area of expertise, whatever that might be. I
wouldn't have hired you to help carry the new water heater into the
basement utility room. The contractor we used is experienced, licensed,
insured, has a fixed address, a long history, and guarantees its work.
We weren't installed a tiki bar.


Yup, like my neighbor years ago. Got a lifetime warranty, licensed
contractor installed water heater. Warranty was good for a couple years
until they supposedly sold the company. Same name, no guarantee honored.
And used asbestos tape on the vent connector. And 3 times the price I paid
to install my own.