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Donald Trump began Thursday under siege, listening to howls of indignation from conservatives over his border wall and thrusting the government toward a shutdown. He ended it by announcing the exit of the man U.S. allies see as the last guardrail against the president’s erratic behavior: Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, whose resignation letter was a scathing rebuke of Trump’s worldview. At perhaps the most fragile moment of his presidency — and vulnerable to convulsions on the political right — Trump single-handedly propelled the U.S. government into crisis and sent markets tumbling with his gambits this week to salvage signature campaign promises. After Trump declared on Dec. 20 that he wouldn't sign a funding bill without more border wall money, the House passed a bill that has slim chances of Senate approval. The president’s decisions and conduct have led to a fracturing of Trump’s coalition. Hawks condemned his sudden decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria. Conservatives called him a “gutless president” and questioned whether he would ever build a wall. Political friends began privately questioning whether Trump needed to be reined in. From WashPost -- Posted with my iPhone 8+. |
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On 12/21/2018 6:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Donald Trump began Thursday under siege, listening to howls of indignation from conservatives over his border wall and thrusting the government toward a shutdown. He ended it by announcing the exit of the man U.S. allies see as the last guardrail against the president’s erratic behavior: Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, whose resignation letter was a scathing rebuke of Trump’s worldview. At perhaps the most fragile moment of his presidency — and vulnerable to convulsions on the political right — Trump single-handedly propelled the U.S. government into crisis and sent markets tumbling with his gambits this week to salvage signature campaign promises. After Trump declared on Dec. 20 that he wouldn't sign a funding bill without more border wall money, the House passed a bill that has slim chances of Senate approval. The president’s decisions and conduct have led to a fracturing of Trump’s coalition. Hawks condemned his sudden decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria. Conservatives called him a “gutless president” and questioned whether he would ever build a wall. Political friends began privately questioning whether Trump needed to be reined in. From WashPost A "a scathing rebuke"? Hardly. Mattis is far too professional for that. Heh. The liberal press at work again. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
Donald Trump began Thursday under siege, listening to howls of indignation from conservatives over his border wall and thrusting the government toward a shutdown. He ended it by announcing the exit of the man U.S. allies see as the last guardrail against the president’s erratic behavior: Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, whose resignation letter was a scathing rebuke of Trump’s worldview. At perhaps the most fragile moment of his presidency — and vulnerable to convulsions on the political right — Trump single-handedly propelled the U.S. government into crisis and sent markets tumbling with his gambits this week to salvage signature campaign promises. After Trump declared on Dec. 20 that he wouldn't sign a funding bill without more border wall money, the House passed a bill that has slim chances of Senate approval. The president’s decisions and conduct have led to a fracturing of Trump’s coalition. Hawks condemned his sudden decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria. Conservatives called him a “gutless president” and questioned whether he would ever build a wall. Political friends began privately questioning whether Trump needed to be reined in. From WashPost The WaPo? Unbiased? |
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On 12/21/18 8:09 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: Donald Trump began Thursday under siege, listening to howls of indignation from conservatives over his border wall and thrusting the government toward a shutdown. He ended it by announcing the exit of the man U.S. allies see as the last guardrail against the president’s erratic behavior: Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, whose resignation letter was a scathing rebuke of Trump’s worldview. At perhaps the most fragile moment of his presidency — and vulnerable to convulsions on the political right — Trump single-handedly propelled the U.S. government into crisis and sent markets tumbling with his gambits this week to salvage signature campaign promises. After Trump declared on Dec. 20 that he wouldn't sign a funding bill without more border wall money, the House passed a bill that has slim chances of Senate approval. The president’s decisions and conduct have led to a fracturing of Trump’s coalition. Hawks condemned his sudden decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria. Conservatives called him a “gutless president” and questioned whether he would ever build a wall. Political friends began privately questioning whether Trump needed to be reined in. From WashPost The WaPo? Unbiased? Trump is getting the "attention" he deserves from just about every legit news source and lots of Republicans. Even Fox News ain't happy with him. Of course, trash like Coulter, Limbaugh, and other assorted right-wing dirtbags still like him. |
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On 12/21/18 6:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/21/2018 6:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: Donald Trump began Thursday under siege, listening to howls of indignation from conservatives over his border wall and thrusting the government toward a shutdown. He ended it by announcing the exit of the man U.S. allies see as the last guardrail against the president’s erratic behavior: Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, whose resignation letter was a scathing rebuke of Trump’s worldview. At perhaps the most fragile moment of his presidency — and vulnerable to convulsions on the political right — Trump single-handedly propelled the U.S. government into crisis and sent markets tumbling with his gambits this week to salvage signature campaign promises. After Trump declared on Dec. 20 that he wouldn't sign a funding bill without more border wall money, the House passed a bill that has slim chances of Senate approval. The president’s decisions and conduct have led to a fracturing of Trump’s coalition. Hawks condemned his sudden decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria. Conservatives called him a “gutless president” and questioned whether he would ever build a wall. Political friends began privately questioning whether Trump needed to be reined in. *From WashPost A "a scathing rebuke"?* Hardly.* Mattis is far too professional for that. Heh.* The liberal press at work again. You didn't read/understand the letter. |
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On 12/21/2018 8:22 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/21/18 6:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/21/2018 6:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: Donald Trump began Thursday under siege, listening to howls of indignation from conservatives over his border wall and thrusting the government toward a shutdown. He ended it by announcing the exit of the man U.S. allies see as the last guardrail against the president’s erratic behavior: Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, whose resignation letter was a scathing rebuke of Trump’s worldview. At perhaps the most fragile moment of his presidency — and vulnerable to convulsions on the political right — Trump single-handedly propelled the U.S. government into crisis and sent markets tumbling with his gambits this week to salvage signature campaign promises. After Trump declared on Dec. 20 that he wouldn't sign a funding bill without more border wall money, the House passed a bill that has slim chances of Senate approval. The president’s decisions and conduct have led to a fracturing of Trump’s coalition. Hawks condemned his sudden decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria. Conservatives called him a “gutless president” and questioned whether he would ever build a wall. Political friends began privately questioning whether Trump needed to be reined in. *From WashPost A "a scathing rebuke"?* Hardly.* Mattis is far too professional for that. Heh.* The liberal press at work again. You didn't read/understand the letter. I read it. I understand it. I agree with it. But it was far from "scathing". |
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 20:22:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 12/21/18 8:09 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: Donald Trump began Thursday under siege, listening to howls of indignation from conservatives over his border wall and thrusting the government toward a shutdown. He ended it by announcing the exit of the man U.S. allies see as the last guardrail against the president’s erratic behavior: Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, whose resignation letter was a scathing rebuke of Trump’s worldview. ?At perhaps the most fragile moment of his presidency — and vulnerable to convulsions on the political right — Trump single-handedly propelled the U.S. government into crisis and sent markets tumbling with his gambits this week to salvage signature campaign promises.??After Trump declared on Dec. 20 that he wouldn't sign a funding bill without more border wall money, the House passed a bill that has slim chances of Senate approval. ?The president’s decisions and conduct have led to a fracturing of Trump’s coalition. Hawks condemned his sudden decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria. Conservatives called him a “gutless president” and questioned whether he would ever build a wall. Political friends began privately questioning whether Trump needed to be reined in.? From WashPost The WaPo? Unbiased? Trump is getting the "attention" he deserves from just about every legit news source and lots of Republicans. Even Fox News ain't happy with him. Of course, trash like Coulter, Limbaugh, and other assorted right-wing dirtbags still like him. He has lost the Neo Cons who never saw a war they didn't like, if that is what you mean |
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On 12/21/18 8:09 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: Donald Trump began Thursday under siege, listening to howls of indignation from conservatives over his border wall and thrusting the government toward a shutdown. He ended it by announcing the exit of the man U.S. allies see as the last guardrail against the president’s erratic behavior: Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, whose resignation letter was a scathing rebuke of Trump’s worldview. At perhaps the most fragile moment of his presidency — and vulnerable to convulsions on the political right — Trump single-handedly propelled the U.S. government into crisis and sent markets tumbling with his gambits this week to salvage signature campaign promises. After Trump declared on Dec. 20 that he wouldn't sign a funding bill without more border wall money, the House passed a bill that has slim chances of Senate approval. The president’s decisions and conduct have led to a fracturing of Trump’s coalition. Hawks condemned his sudden decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria. Conservatives called him a “gutless president” and questioned whether he would ever build a wall. Political friends began privately questioning whether Trump needed to be reined in. From WashPost The WaPo? Unbiased? Trump is getting the "attention" he deserves from just about every legit news source and lots of Republicans. Even Fox News ain't happy with him. Of course, trash like Coulter, Limbaugh, and other assorted right-wing dirtbags still like him. Now you are saying Fox News is legit. Make up your mind. And WaPo is as biased as it can get in regards Trump. You wanted the war stopped, now you want it expanded. Make up what little mind you possess. Forget about waiting for DNC talking points. |
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On 12/22/18 12:04 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/21/18 8:09 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: Donald Trump began Thursday under siege, listening to howls of indignation from conservatives over his border wall and thrusting the government toward a shutdown. He ended it by announcing the exit of the man U.S. allies see as the last guardrail against the president’s erratic behavior: Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, whose resignation letter was a scathing rebuke of Trump’s worldview. At perhaps the most fragile moment of his presidency — and vulnerable to convulsions on the political right — Trump single-handedly propelled the U.S. government into crisis and sent markets tumbling with his gambits this week to salvage signature campaign promises. After Trump declared on Dec. 20 that he wouldn't sign a funding bill without more border wall money, the House passed a bill that has slim chances of Senate approval. The president’s decisions and conduct have led to a fracturing of Trump’s coalition. Hawks condemned his sudden decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria. Conservatives called him a “gutless president” and questioned whether he would ever build a wall. Political friends began privately questioning whether Trump needed to be reined in. From WashPost The WaPo? Unbiased? Trump is getting the "attention" he deserves from just about every legit news source and lots of Republicans. Even Fox News ain't happy with him. Of course, trash like Coulter, Limbaugh, and other assorted right-wing dirtbags still like him. Now you are saying Fox News is legit. Make up your mind. And WaPo is as biased as it can get in regards Trump. You wanted the war stopped, now you want it expanded. Make up what little mind you possess. Forget about waiting for DNC talking points. No, ****-for-brains, I did not say Fox News was "legit." I mentioned "every legit news source..." Then I said "Even Fox News ain't happy..." No wonder you love Trump...you're a moron. |
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 20:40:51 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/21/2018 8:22 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/21/18 6:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/21/2018 6:17 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: Donald Trump began Thursday under siege, listening to howls of indignation from conservatives over his border wall and thrusting the government toward a shutdown. He ended it by announcing the exit of the man U.S. allies see as the last guardrail against the presidents erratic behavior: Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, whose resignation letter was a scathing rebuke of Trumps worldview. ?At perhaps the most fragile moment of his presidency and vulnerable to convulsions on the political right Trump single-handedly propelled the U.S. government into crisis and sent markets tumbling with his gambits this week to salvage signature campaign promises.??After Trump declared on Dec. 20 that he wouldn't sign a funding bill without more border wall money, the House passed a bill that has slim chances of Senate approval. ?The presidents decisions and conduct have led to a fracturing of Trumps coalition. Hawks condemned his sudden decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria. Conservatives called him a gutless president and questioned whether he would ever build a wall. Political friends began privately questioning whether Trump needed to be reined in.? *From WashPost A "a scathing rebuke"?* Hardly.* Mattis is far too professional for that. Heh.* The liberal press at work again. You didn't read/understand the letter. I read it. I understand it. I agree with it. But it was far from "scathing". I agree, the letter was not 'scathing', but only because Secretary Mattis is too professional for that. But, I'll bet it doesn't portray his real feelings. He's too professional to air his grievances on TV, but I'll bet he'd like to. |
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On 12/22/2018 8:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 20:40:51 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/21/2018 8:22 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/21/18 6:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/21/2018 6:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: Donald Trump began Thursday under siege, listening to howls of indignation from conservatives over his border wall and thrusting the government toward a shutdown. He ended it by announcing the exit of the man U.S. allies see as the last guardrail against the president’s erratic behavior: Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, whose resignation letter was a scathing rebuke of Trump’s worldview. ?At perhaps the most fragile moment of his presidency — and vulnerable to convulsions on the political right — Trump single-handedly propelled the U.S. government into crisis and sent markets tumbling with his gambits this week to salvage signature campaign promises.??After Trump declared on Dec. 20 that he wouldn't sign a funding bill without more border wall money, the House passed a bill that has slim chances of Senate approval. ?The president’s decisions and conduct have led to a fracturing of Trump’s coalition. Hawks condemned his sudden decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria. Conservatives called him a “gutless president” and questioned whether he would ever build a wall. Political friends began privately questioning whether Trump needed to be reined in.? *From WashPost A "a scathing rebuke"?* Hardly.* Mattis is far too professional for that. Heh.* The liberal press at work again. You didn't read/understand the letter. I read it. I understand it. I agree with it. But it was far from "scathing". I agree, the letter was not 'scathing', but only because Secretary Mattis is too professional for that. But, I'll bet it doesn't portray his real feelings. He's too professional to air his grievances on TV, but I'll bet he'd like to. Mattis is a class act and smart as a whip. It's too bad he's leaving but it's understandable. This is a demonstration of the worst of Trump's personality. Although I think he has done some good things his ego makes him assume he knows and is an expert in everything. He's also become as political as the rest of the loonies in Congress and is only focused on shoring up his base for 2020. Oh well. |
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On 12/22/18 8:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
This is a demonstration of the worst of Trump's personality. What are the examples of the best of Trump's personality? |
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On 12/22/2018 8:49 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/22/18 8:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: This is a demonstration of the worst of Trump's personality. What are the examples of the best of Trump's personality? He does what he says he will do ... or at least tries. |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/22/18 12:04 AM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/21/18 8:09 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: Donald Trump began Thursday under siege, listening to howls of indignation from conservatives over his border wall and thrusting the government toward a shutdown. He ended it by announcing the exit of the man U.S. allies see as the last guardrail against the president’s erratic behavior: Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, whose resignation letter was a scathing rebuke of Trump’s worldview. At perhaps the most fragile moment of his presidency — and vulnerable to convulsions on the political right — Trump single-handedly propelled the U.S. government into crisis and sent markets tumbling with his gambits this week to salvage signature campaign promises. After Trump declared on Dec. 20 that he wouldn't sign a funding bill without more border wall money, the House passed a bill that has slim chances of Senate approval. The president’s decisions and conduct have led to a fracturing of Trump’s coalition. Hawks condemned his sudden decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria. Conservatives called him a “gutless president” and questioned whether he would ever build a wall. Political friends began privately questioning whether Trump needed to be reined in. From WashPost The WaPo? Unbiased? Trump is getting the "attention" he deserves from just about every legit news source and lots of Republicans. Even Fox News ain't happy with him. Of course, trash like Coulter, Limbaugh, and other assorted right-wing dirtbags still like him. Now you are saying Fox News is legit. Make up your mind. And WaPo is as biased as it can get in regards Trump. You wanted the war stopped, now you want it expanded. Make up what little mind you possess. Forget about waiting for DNC talking points. No, ****-for-brains, I did not say Fox News was "legit." I mentioned "every legit news source..." Then I said "Even Fox News ain't happy..." No wonder you love Trump...you're a moron. For a person who claims advanced English degrees, and to be a professional writer, no wonder you had to declare bankruptcy with your writing skills. |
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- show quoted text - He long ago lost the brighter neocons. Trump's support now is among the dregs, the dumber and more gullible brothers and sisters of the deplorables. ...... Harry, you’ve said that since before the elections... |
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 08:44:43 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/22/2018 8:36 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 20:40:51 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/21/2018 8:22 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/21/18 6:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/21/2018 6:17 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: Donald Trump began Thursday under siege, listening to howls of indignation from conservatives over his border wall and thrusting the government toward a shutdown. He ended it by announcing the exit of the man U.S. allies see as the last guardrail against the presidents erratic behavior: Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, whose resignation letter was a scathing rebuke of Trumps worldview. ?At perhaps the most fragile moment of his presidency and vulnerable to convulsions on the political right Trump single-handedly propelled the U.S. government into crisis and sent markets tumbling with his gambits this week to salvage signature campaign promises.??After Trump declared on Dec. 20 that he wouldn't sign a funding bill without more border wall money, the House passed a bill that has slim chances of Senate approval. ?The presidents decisions and conduct have led to a fracturing of Trumps coalition. Hawks condemned his sudden decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria. Conservatives called him a gutless president and questioned whether he would ever build a wall. Political friends began privately questioning whether Trump needed to be reined in.? *From WashPost A "a scathing rebuke"?* Hardly.* Mattis is far too professional for that. Heh.* The liberal press at work again. You didn't read/understand the letter. I read it. I understand it. I agree with it. But it was far from "scathing". I agree, the letter was not 'scathing', but only because Secretary Mattis is too professional for that. But, I'll bet it doesn't portray his real feelings. He's too professional to air his grievances on TV, but I'll bet he'd like to. Mattis is a class act and smart as a whip. It's too bad he's leaving but it's understandable. This is a demonstration of the worst of Trump's personality. Although I think he has done some good things his ego makes him assume he knows and is an expert in everything. He's also become as political as the rest of the loonies in Congress and is only focused on shoring up his base for 2020. Oh well. I'm ready to lose Trump. |
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 18:22:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: He lost over half the neo cons simply because he was not Hillary. Then he lost the rest because he was actually trying to stop these two un winnable wars. Uh-huh... We MAGA yet? We were far "great" before the last 4 presidents mired us in unwinnable wars against Islam. |
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On 12/23/18 2:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/22/2018 8:20 PM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 18:22:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: He lost over half the neo cons simply because he was not Hillary. Then he lost the rest because he was actually trying to stop these two un winnable wars. Uh-huh...* We MAGA yet? We were far "great" before the last 4 presidents mired us in unwinnable wars against Islam. You think it was a mistake to go after al-Qaeda, ISIS and other terrorist organizations? I don't recall any past president waging a war against Islam. For whatever reasons you may wish to cite, this country has not won a war against a large, seriously militarized opponent since WWII. We have, of course, won against dip**** countries like Panama, Iraq, Grenada. If we get into a war with the Russians or the PRC, and neither side unleashes nukes, I'm not sure we'd win against them, either. And if nukes are unleashed, no one wins. Which leads to the question of why do we waste so much $$$ on a military that likely will not be used in any large-scale war. If we had used half or more of the money wasted on the military the last 40 years on infrastructure instead, we'd have a first-class country with a good electrical grid, railroads, roads, dams, sewage, energy usage, and environment. |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 02:44:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/22/2018 8:20 PM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 18:22:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: He lost over half the neo cons simply because he was not Hillary. Then he lost the rest because he was actually trying to stop these two un winnable wars. Uh-huh... We MAGA yet? We were far "great" before the last 4 presidents mired us in unwinnable wars against Islam. You think it was a mistake to go after al-Qaeda, ISIS and other terrorist organizations? I don't recall any past president waging a war against Islam. ISIS and Al-Qaeda were products of wars in the middle east although Al Qaeda really came up in response to the Soviets invading Afghanistan. They really don't see any difference. If the Saudis were so concerned about Saddam taking their neighbor, they should have led the fight to kick him out with the US only providing limited logistic support, basically just selling them the arms. Was it really that important to us which dictators we bought oil from? It turns out the Saudis are not as harmless as we thought either. |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 09:11:07 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 12/23/18 2:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/22/2018 8:20 PM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 18:22:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: He lost over half the neo cons simply because he was not Hillary. Then he lost the rest because he was actually trying to stop these two un winnable wars. Uh-huh...* We MAGA yet? We were far "great" before the last 4 presidents mired us in unwinnable wars against Islam. You think it was a mistake to go after al-Qaeda, ISIS and other terrorist organizations? I don't recall any past president waging a war against Islam. For whatever reasons you may wish to cite, this country has not won a war against a large, seriously militarized opponent since WWII. We have, of course, won against dip**** countries like Panama, Iraq, Grenada. If we get into a war with the Russians or the PRC, and neither side unleashes nukes, I'm not sure we'd win against them, either. And if nukes are unleashed, no one wins. Which leads to the question of why do we waste so much $$$ on a military that likely will not be used in any large-scale war. If we had used half or more of the money wasted on the military the last 40 years on infrastructure instead, we'd have a first-class country with a good electrical grid, railroads, roads, dams, sewage, energy usage, and environment. People will pay any amount for a perceived defense. If Trump really wanted his wall, he should have had the Pentagon build it. $5Billion would disappear in the couch cushions of the DoD budget. |
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On 12/23/2018 9:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/23/18 2:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/22/2018 8:20 PM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 18:22:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: He lost over half the neo cons simply because he was not Hillary. Then he lost the rest because he was actually trying to stop these two un winnable wars. Uh-huh...* We MAGA yet? We were far "great" before the last 4 presidents mired us in unwinnable wars against Islam. You think it was a mistake to go after al-Qaeda, ISIS and other terrorist organizations? I don't recall any past president waging a war against Islam. For whatever reasons you may wish to cite, this country has not won a war against a large, seriously militarized opponent since WWII. We have, of course, won against dip**** countries like Panama, Iraq, Grenada. If we get into a war with the Russians or the PRC, and neither side unleashes nukes, I'm not sure we'd win against them, either. And if nukes are unleashed, no one wins. Which leads to the question of why do we waste so much $$$ on a military that likely will not be used in any large-scale war. If we had used half or more of the money wasted on the military the last 40 years on infrastructure instead, we'd have a first-class country with a good electrical grid, railroads, roads, dams, sewage, energy usage, and environment. The reasons are obviously beyond your comprehension so therefore are not worth trying to explain them to you again and again and again. |
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On 12/23/2018 10:18 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 02:44:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/22/2018 8:20 PM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 18:22:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: He lost over half the neo cons simply because he was not Hillary. Then he lost the rest because he was actually trying to stop these two un winnable wars. Uh-huh... We MAGA yet? We were far "great" before the last 4 presidents mired us in unwinnable wars against Islam. You think it was a mistake to go after al-Qaeda, ISIS and other terrorist organizations? I don't recall any past president waging a war against Islam. ISIS and Al-Qaeda were products of wars in the middle east although Al Qaeda really came up in response to the Soviets invading Afghanistan. They really don't see any difference. If the Saudis were so concerned about Saddam taking their neighbor, they should have led the fight to kick him out with the US only providing limited logistic support, basically just selling them the arms. Was it really that important to us which dictators we bought oil from? It turns out the Saudis are not as harmless as we thought either. My question was not on policies and alliances that can be debated forever. My question was, which of the 4 past presidents (plus the current one) waged wars against Islam? |
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On 12/23/2018 10:21 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 09:11:07 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/23/18 2:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/22/2018 8:20 PM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 18:22:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: He lost over half the neo cons simply because he was not Hillary. Then he lost the rest because he was actually trying to stop these two un winnable wars. Uh-huh...* We MAGA yet? We were far "great" before the last 4 presidents mired us in unwinnable wars against Islam. You think it was a mistake to go after al-Qaeda, ISIS and other terrorist organizations? I don't recall any past president waging a war against Islam. For whatever reasons you may wish to cite, this country has not won a war against a large, seriously militarized opponent since WWII. We have, of course, won against dip**** countries like Panama, Iraq, Grenada. If we get into a war with the Russians or the PRC, and neither side unleashes nukes, I'm not sure we'd win against them, either. And if nukes are unleashed, no one wins. Which leads to the question of why do we waste so much $$$ on a military that likely will not be used in any large-scale war. If we had used half or more of the money wasted on the military the last 40 years on infrastructure instead, we'd have a first-class country with a good electrical grid, railroads, roads, dams, sewage, energy usage, and environment. People will pay any amount for a perceived defense. If Trump really wanted his wall, he should have had the Pentagon build it. $5Billion would disappear in the couch cushions of the DoD budget. He floated that idea but was convinced that the Democrats would make it political suicide. Funny thing is ... I don't think he cares about political suicide and may still find a way to pull that off. I think he's trying to get as much $$ as he can from Congress and will then supplement additional programs costs from the DOD. It's getting almost sickening to watch the "debates". It is obvious to the most oblivious observer that the Dem's only reason for not voting to fund any part of a wall/fence/slat/barrier is because they want to deny Trump the ability to claim another campaign pledge met. |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 10:25:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/23/2018 10:18 AM, wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 02:44:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/22/2018 8:20 PM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 18:22:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: He lost over half the neo cons simply because he was not Hillary. Then he lost the rest because he was actually trying to stop these two un winnable wars. Uh-huh... We MAGA yet? We were far "great" before the last 4 presidents mired us in unwinnable wars against Islam. You think it was a mistake to go after al-Qaeda, ISIS and other terrorist organizations? I don't recall any past president waging a war against Islam. ISIS and Al-Qaeda were products of wars in the middle east although Al Qaeda really came up in response to the Soviets invading Afghanistan. They really don't see any difference. If the Saudis were so concerned about Saddam taking their neighbor, they should have led the fight to kick him out with the US only providing limited logistic support, basically just selling them the arms. Was it really that important to us which dictators we bought oil from? It turns out the Saudis are not as harmless as we thought either. My question was not on policies and alliances that can be debated forever. My question was, which of the 4 past presidents (plus the current one) waged wars against Islam? Bush daddy and his 3 sons (including the "4th brother" and the tan one) |
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On 12/23/2018 11:29 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 10:25:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/23/2018 10:18 AM, wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 02:44:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/22/2018 8:20 PM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 18:22:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: He lost over half the neo cons simply because he was not Hillary. Then he lost the rest because he was actually trying to stop these two un winnable wars. Uh-huh... We MAGA yet? We were far "great" before the last 4 presidents mired us in unwinnable wars against Islam. You think it was a mistake to go after al-Qaeda, ISIS and other terrorist organizations? I don't recall any past president waging a war against Islam. ISIS and Al-Qaeda were products of wars in the middle east although Al Qaeda really came up in response to the Soviets invading Afghanistan. They really don't see any difference. If the Saudis were so concerned about Saddam taking their neighbor, they should have led the fight to kick him out with the US only providing limited logistic support, basically just selling them the arms. Was it really that important to us which dictators we bought oil from? It turns out the Saudis are not as harmless as we thought either. My question was not on policies and alliances that can be debated forever. My question was, which of the 4 past presidents (plus the current one) waged wars against Islam? Bush daddy and his 3 sons (including the "4th brother" and the tan one) News to me. |
Tailspin...
On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 11:33:54 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/23/2018 11:29 AM, wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 10:25:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/23/2018 10:18 AM, wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 02:44:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/22/2018 8:20 PM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 18:22:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: He lost over half the neo cons simply because he was not Hillary. Then he lost the rest because he was actually trying to stop these two un winnable wars. Uh-huh... We MAGA yet? We were far "great" before the last 4 presidents mired us in unwinnable wars against Islam. You think it was a mistake to go after al-Qaeda, ISIS and other terrorist organizations? I don't recall any past president waging a war against Islam. ISIS and Al-Qaeda were products of wars in the middle east although Al Qaeda really came up in response to the Soviets invading Afghanistan. They really don't see any difference. If the Saudis were so concerned about Saddam taking their neighbor, they should have led the fight to kick him out with the US only providing limited logistic support, basically just selling them the arms. Was it really that important to us which dictators we bought oil from? It turns out the Saudis are not as harmless as we thought either. My question was not on policies and alliances that can be debated forever. My question was, which of the 4 past presidents (plus the current one) waged wars against Islam? Bush daddy and his 3 sons (including the "4th brother" and the tan one) News to me. There are the families of 7000+ Americans who know about it |
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