Kinda proud ....
 

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

Yup us too although there was a precedent for using the leggings too.
It was just more than they wanted to do for a 2 hour fire watch.
If you were on Shore Patrol, later in my career you were wearing white
leggings and a white web belt with a white night stick and the SP arm
band.
On a payroll run you swapped out the night stick for a sidearm.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 16:26:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.

This was a 2 hour fire watch in the barracks. There was a water
fountain in the hall and if we were going to carry anything it
probably should have been a fire extinguisher. ;-)

Kinda proud ....
 

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 20:22:48 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 16:26:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.

This was a 2 hour fire watch in the barracks. There was a water
fountain in the hall and if we were going to carry anything it
probably should have been a fire extinguisher. ;-)

I was walking around a PX.

Kinda proud ....
 

wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 16:26:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.

This was a 2 hour fire watch in the barracks. There was a water
fountain in the hall and if we were going to carry anything it
probably should have been a fire extinguisher. ;-)



We had too walk around outside for a couple hours watching for fire. They
had lots of fire drills at Lackland, but were told if there was a real fire
to exit fast, very fast, forget boots, etc. The barracks were built in
1921and could burn to the ground in a few minutes.

Kinda proud ....
 

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 20:41:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 20:22:48 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 16:26:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.

This was a 2 hour fire watch in the barracks. There was a water
fountain in the hall and if we were going to carry anything it
probably should have been a fire extinguisher. ;-)

I was walking around a PX.

We never did that sort of thing. It must an Army thing.
I would think a .45 or a M9 would be a better choice inside a PX.
I guess if you didn't have any ammo the M-14 is a better club. ;-)

Kinda proud ....
 

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

Our basic had "range week" in week 12. It was M-1 and if you qualified
fast enough, you got .45. I did both. It did not seem that hard
because it was huge targets at 200 yards for the rifle and the
standard GI bullseye at 25 (maybe less) yards for the .45.
I think if you got them all on the paper you qualified. I don't
remember a score. The whole thing seemed to be more about firearm
handling and range safety than marksmanship. I don't think we ever
fired a round until the 3d day. Most of the M-1 stuff was inside with
our non-functional drill rifles. They went through the loading
process, safety, basic marksmanship principles (sighting, positions
etc), safety, cleaning, safety, range rules and then a little more
safety ;-)
It wasn't until I got on my ship that my chief actually taught me how
to shoot a 1911 well. That was his favorite gun and I came out of
there knowing more than I needed to about the 1911. I can still field
strip and reassemble one blind folded in about a minute or two and to
a detail strip (looking) in 3 or 4.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 16:26:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.

This was a 2 hour fire watch in the barracks. There was a water
fountain in the hall and if we were going to carry anything it
probably should have been a fire extinguisher. ;-)



We had too walk around outside for a couple hours watching for fire. They
had lots of fire drills at Lackland, but were told if there was a real fire
to exit fast, very fast, forget boots, etc. The barracks were built in
1921and could burn to the ground in a few minutes.

That sounds like the ones we had in Bainbridge FT school. They were
WWII tho. It was all wood construction with asbestos siding, similar
to the smaller "temporary" buildings on the DC mall, that were there
until the 60s (Lady Bird had them destroyed). Those are not to be
confused with the larger "tempo" buildings up around 18th street.
In Cape May we had new concrete block barracks that were pretty
fireproof except for contents.
The funny thing was you could smoke inside at Bainbridge but you had
to go outside to smoke in Cape May.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 22:34:14 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 20:41:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 20:22:48 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 16:26:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.

This was a 2 hour fire watch in the barracks. There was a water
fountain in the hall and if we were going to carry anything it
probably should have been a fire extinguisher. ;-)

I was walking around a PX.

We never did that sort of thing. It must an Army thing.
I would think a .45 or a M9 would be a better choice inside a PX.
I guess if you didn't have any ammo the M-14 is a better club. ;-)

This was 'around' the exterior of the PX, not inside. When it was open there was no guard there.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly, disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

Kinda proud ....
 

wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

Our basic had "range week" in week 12. It was M-1 and if you qualified
fast enough, you got .45. I did both. It did not seem that hard
because it was huge targets at 200 yards for the rifle and the
standard GI bullseye at 25 (maybe less) yards for the .45.
I think if you got them all on the paper you qualified. I don't
remember a score. The whole thing seemed to be more about firearm
handling and range safety than marksmanship. I don't think we ever
fired a round until the 3d day. Most of the M-1 stuff was inside with
our non-functional drill rifles. They went through the loading
process, safety, basic marksmanship principles (sighting, positions
etc), safety, cleaning, safety, range rules and then a little more
safety ;-)
It wasn't until I got on my ship that my chief actually taught me how
to shoot a 1911 well. That was his favorite gun and I came out of
there knowing more than I needed to about the 1911. I can still field
strip and reassemble one blind folded in about a minute or two and to
a detail strip (looking) in 3 or 4.


We used M1 carbines. We marched and marched, but no weapons required.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:42:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

Our basic had "range week" in week 12. It was M-1 and if you qualified
fast enough, you got .45. I did both. It did not seem that hard
because it was huge targets at 200 yards for the rifle and the
standard GI bullseye at 25 (maybe less) yards for the .45.
I think if you got them all on the paper you qualified. I don't
remember a score. The whole thing seemed to be more about firearm
handling and range safety than marksmanship. I don't think we ever
fired a round until the 3d day. Most of the M-1 stuff was inside with
our non-functional drill rifles. They went through the loading
process, safety, basic marksmanship principles (sighting, positions
etc), safety, cleaning, safety, range rules and then a little more
safety ;-)
It wasn't until I got on my ship that my chief actually taught me how
to shoot a 1911 well. That was his favorite gun and I came out of
there knowing more than I needed to about the 1911. I can still field
strip and reassemble one blind folded in about a minute or two and to
a detail strip (looking) in 3 or 4.


We used M1 carbines. We marched and marched, but no weapons required.

We had regular M-1s and it seemed we were carrying them any time we
were not going to chow or to a class. All of the close order drill was
under arms along with a particularly odious form of PT.
Situps are particularly tough when you are holding a 9+ pound rifle at
arms length over your head.
Then there was also "double time at high port", Basically running with
the rifle held high over your head. You were ready to stop that pretty
quickly.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly, disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Kinda proud ....
 

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly, disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Well, we damn sure did a bunch of yelling during bayonet drill. We started with pugil sticks and
worked our way up to straw-filled dummies mounted on poles. They didn't have bayonets!

Kinda proud ....
 

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly, disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Kinda proud ....
 

wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)


We were more inclined to bomb them from 50,000’ or be a taxi service for
army and marine foot soldiers.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly, disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 02:32:26 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)


We were more inclined to bomb them from 50,000’ or be a taxi service for
army and marine foot soldiers.

And we loved you for it. Vietnam was a long swim.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly, disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.

Kinda proud ....
 

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

After OCS I invested in Corfam low-quarters. Couldn't wear them before that. Always wore the
Corcoran jump boots. They were easier to spit shine than the Army issue boots.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:20:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

After OCS I invested in Corfam low-quarters. Couldn't wear them before that. Always wore the
Corcoran jump boots. They were easier to spit shine than the Army issue boots.

I was really happy when I got away from boot camp. That was the last
place where spit shined shoes were expected of us. They just needed to
be "business" shiny.
My go to for that was always the bottle after I learned how to
"paint".
On the ship, if your boots were too shiny they asked you where you
were sleeping all day. You did need a reasonable shine on your shoes
to get past the quarterdeck for liberty but they didn't go nuts about
it. Like I said a "business" shine, what a boss would expect in a
customer contact job.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:51:11 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:20:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

After OCS I invested in Corfam low-quarters. Couldn't wear them before that. Always wore the
Corcoran jump boots. They were easier to spit shine than the Army issue boots.

I was really happy when I got away from boot camp. That was the last
place where spit shined shoes were expected of us. They just needed to
be "business" shiny.
My go to for that was always the bottle after I learned how to
"paint".
On the ship, if your boots were too shiny they asked you where you
were sleeping all day. You did need a reasonable shine on your shoes
to get past the quarterdeck for liberty but they didn't go nuts about
it. Like I said a "business" shine, what a boss would expect in a
customer contact job.

Yeah but, I was the one doing the asking, so I had to keep 'em looking halfway good.

Kinda proud ....
 

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:51:11 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:20:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

After OCS I invested in Corfam low-quarters. Couldn't wear them before
that. Always wore the
Corcoran jump boots. They were easier to spit shine than the Army issue boots.

I was really happy when I got away from boot camp. That was the last
place where spit shined shoes were expected of us. They just needed to
be "business" shiny.
My go to for that was always the bottle after I learned how to
"paint".
On the ship, if your boots were too shiny they asked you where you
were sleeping all day. You did need a reasonable shine on your shoes
to get past the quarterdeck for liberty but they didn't go nuts about
it. Like I said a "business" shine, what a boss would expect in a
customer contact job.

Yeah but, I was the one doing the asking, so I had to keep 'em looking halfway good.


I was told pretty much for 29 weeks to work on my boots.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:20:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:51:11 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:20:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

After OCS I invested in Corfam low-quarters. Couldn't wear them before
that. Always wore the
Corcoran jump boots. They were easier to spit shine than the Army issue boots.

I was really happy when I got away from boot camp. That was the last
place where spit shined shoes were expected of us. They just needed to
be "business" shiny.
My go to for that was always the bottle after I learned how to
"paint".
On the ship, if your boots were too shiny they asked you where you
were sleeping all day. You did need a reasonable shine on your shoes
to get past the quarterdeck for liberty but they didn't go nuts about
it. Like I said a "business" shine, what a boss would expect in a
customer contact job.

Yeah but, I was the one doing the asking, so I had to keep 'em looking halfway good.


I was told pretty much for 29 weeks to work on my boots.

LOL!

Kinda proud ....
 

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:51:11 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:20:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

After OCS I invested in Corfam low-quarters. Couldn't wear them before that. Always wore the
Corcoran jump boots. They were easier to spit shine than the Army issue boots.

I was really happy when I got away from boot camp. That was the last
place where spit shined shoes were expected of us. They just needed to
be "business" shiny.
My go to for that was always the bottle after I learned how to
"paint".
On the ship, if your boots were too shiny they asked you where you
were sleeping all day. You did need a reasonable shine on your shoes
to get past the quarterdeck for liberty but they didn't go nuts about
it. Like I said a "business" shine, what a boss would expect in a
customer contact job.

===

Oh, you mean IBM wing tips. :-)

Kinda proud ....
 

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:20:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:51:11 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:20:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

After OCS I invested in Corfam low-quarters. Couldn't wear them before
that. Always wore the
Corcoran jump boots. They were easier to spit shine than the Army issue boots.

I was really happy when I got away from boot camp. That was the last
place where spit shined shoes were expected of us. They just needed to
be "business" shiny.
My go to for that was always the bottle after I learned how to
"paint".
On the ship, if your boots were too shiny they asked you where you
were sleeping all day. You did need a reasonable shine on your shoes
to get past the quarterdeck for liberty but they didn't go nuts about
it. Like I said a "business" shine, what a boss would expect in a
customer contact job.

Yeah but, I was the one doing the asking, so I had to keep 'em looking halfway good.


I was told pretty much for 29 weeks to work on my boots.

===

I learned early on in boot camp that there were two ways to avoid
being picked for a work detail: 1) Be spit shining your boots; or
2) Be writing a letter home.

Kinda proud ....
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:20:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:51:11 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:20:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

After OCS I invested in Corfam low-quarters. Couldn't wear them before
that. Always wore the
Corcoran jump boots. They were easier to spit shine than the Army issue boots.

I was really happy when I got away from boot camp. That was the last
place where spit shined shoes were expected of us. They just needed to
be "business" shiny.
My go to for that was always the bottle after I learned how to
"paint".
On the ship, if your boots were too shiny they asked you where you
were sleeping all day. You did need a reasonable shine on your shoes
to get past the quarterdeck for liberty but they didn't go nuts about
it. Like I said a "business" shine, what a boss would expect in a
customer contact job.

Yeah but, I was the one doing the asking, so I had to keep 'em looking halfway good.


I was told pretty much for 29 weeks to work on my boots.

===

I learned early on in boot camp that there were two ways to avoid
being picked for a work detail: 1) Be spit shining your boots; or
2) Be writing a letter home.


The 29 weeks was Keesler tech school

Kinda proud ....
 

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 19:38:32 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:51:11 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:20:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

After OCS I invested in Corfam low-quarters. Couldn't wear them before that. Always wore the
Corcoran jump boots. They were easier to spit shine than the Army issue boots.

I was really happy when I got away from boot camp. That was the last
place where spit shined shoes were expected of us. They just needed to
be "business" shiny.
My go to for that was always the bottle after I learned how to
"paint".
On the ship, if your boots were too shiny they asked you where you
were sleeping all day. You did need a reasonable shine on your shoes
to get past the quarterdeck for liberty but they didn't go nuts about
it. Like I said a "business" shine, what a boss would expect in a
customer contact job.

===

Oh, you mean IBM wing tips. :-)

Well that kind of thing although I am not sure I ever saw a CE in "14
pound wing tips". I started out in my Hush Puppies and I was OK in
Bethesda but I had to buy shoes my first day in Endicott.
The instructor said "no bedroom slippers here". He was still unhappy
that I bought a slip on shoe but at least it was shiny black leather
so he couldn't really gripe much.
About a year in I started wearing side zipper boots and I retired in
them.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Retirement%...%20charlie.jpg

Kinda proud ....
 

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 19:42:12 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:20:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:51:11 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:20:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

After OCS I invested in Corfam low-quarters. Couldn't wear them before
that. Always wore the
Corcoran jump boots. They were easier to spit shine than the Army issue boots.

I was really happy when I got away from boot camp. That was the last
place where spit shined shoes were expected of us. They just needed to
be "business" shiny.
My go to for that was always the bottle after I learned how to
"paint".
On the ship, if your boots were too shiny they asked you where you
were sleeping all day. You did need a reasonable shine on your shoes
to get past the quarterdeck for liberty but they didn't go nuts about
it. Like I said a "business" shine, what a boss would expect in a
customer contact job.

Yeah but, I was the one doing the asking, so I had to keep 'em looking halfway good.


I was told pretty much for 29 weeks to work on my boots.

===

I learned early on in boot camp that there were two ways to avoid
being picked for a work detail: 1) Be spit shining your boots; or
2) Be writing a letter home.

I usually "looked busy" by picking up whatever we were studying that
week and practicing with it, whenever anyone who could tell me to do
something was coming. Since I was "aceing" all the tests, it usually
got a "you should be doing what he is doing" out of the asst CC.
The rest of the time I was screwing off.
After a while the other guys who bunked around me caught on and we
would have a study circle going by the time he got there ;-)
Most of the ****ty details were recruited from the other wing of the
barracks. I am not sure they ever figured it out.
We were also the "inspection" half of the company and the other wing
did the little marching show every Friday.
I was willing to keep my shoes shined, my rack made and have my ditty
bag tied correctly if it meant I didn't have to march. Our side all
felt that way.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:24:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 19:38:32 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:51:11 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:20:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

After OCS I invested in Corfam low-quarters. Couldn't wear them before that. Always wore the
Corcoran jump boots. They were easier to spit shine than the Army issue boots.

I was really happy when I got away from boot camp. That was the last
place where spit shined shoes were expected of us. They just needed to
be "business" shiny.
My go to for that was always the bottle after I learned how to
"paint".
On the ship, if your boots were too shiny they asked you where you
were sleeping all day. You did need a reasonable shine on your shoes
to get past the quarterdeck for liberty but they didn't go nuts about
it. Like I said a "business" shine, what a boss would expect in a
customer contact job.

===

Oh, you mean IBM wing tips. :-)

Well that kind of thing although I am not sure I ever saw a CE in "14
pound wing tips". I started out in my Hush Puppies and I was OK in
Bethesda but I had to buy shoes my first day in Endicott.
The instructor said "no bedroom slippers here". He was still unhappy
that I bought a slip on shoe but at least it was shiny black leather
so he couldn't really gripe much.
About a year in I started wearing side zipper boots and I retired in
them.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Retirement%...%20charlie.jpg

Is that you in the middle?

"The water is gone and the land is dry. So why are you wearing your pants so high?"

:)

Kinda proud ....
 

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 17:54:16 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:24:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 19:38:32 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:51:11 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:20:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

After OCS I invested in Corfam low-quarters. Couldn't wear them before that. Always wore the
Corcoran jump boots. They were easier to spit shine than the Army issue boots.

I was really happy when I got away from boot camp. That was the last
place where spit shined shoes were expected of us. They just needed to
be "business" shiny.
My go to for that was always the bottle after I learned how to
"paint".
On the ship, if your boots were too shiny they asked you where you
were sleeping all day. You did need a reasonable shine on your shoes
to get past the quarterdeck for liberty but they didn't go nuts about
it. Like I said a "business" shine, what a boss would expect in a
customer contact job.

===

Oh, you mean IBM wing tips. :-)

Well that kind of thing although I am not sure I ever saw a CE in "14
pound wing tips". I started out in my Hush Puppies and I was OK in
Bethesda but I had to buy shoes my first day in Endicott.
The instructor said "no bedroom slippers here". He was still unhappy
that I bought a slip on shoe but at least it was shiny black leather
so he couldn't really gripe much.
About a year in I started wearing side zipper boots and I retired in
them.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Retirement%...%20charlie.jpg

Is that you in the middle?

"The water is gone and the land is dry. So why are you wearing your pants so high?"

:)

So you can see my boots ;-)

Kinda proud ....
 

On 10/1/18 8:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:20:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:51:11 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:20:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

After OCS I invested in Corfam low-quarters. Couldn't wear them before
that. Always wore the
Corcoran jump boots. They were easier to spit shine than the Army issue boots.

I was really happy when I got away from boot camp. That was the last
place where spit shined shoes were expected of us. They just needed to
be "business" shiny.
My go to for that was always the bottle after I learned how to
"paint".
On the ship, if your boots were too shiny they asked you where you
were sleeping all day. You did need a reasonable shine on your shoes
to get past the quarterdeck for liberty but they didn't go nuts about
it. Like I said a "business" shine, what a boss would expect in a
customer contact job.

Yeah but, I was the one doing the asking, so I had to keep 'em looking halfway good.


I was told pretty much for 29 weeks to work on my boots.

===

I learned early on in boot camp that there were two ways to avoid
being picked for a work detail: 1) Be spit shining your boots; or
2) Be writing a letter home.


The 29 weeks was Keesler tech school



Gosh, I guess The Band Played Waltzing Matilda a lot for you brave boys...

https://is.gd/KKCoD6

Kinda proud ....
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/1/18 8:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:20:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:51:11 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:20:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

After OCS I invested in Corfam low-quarters. Couldn't wear them before
that. Always wore the
Corcoran jump boots. They were easier to spit shine than the Army issue boots.

I was really happy when I got away from boot camp. That was the last
place where spit shined shoes were expected of us. They just needed to
be "business" shiny.
My go to for that was always the bottle after I learned how to
"paint".
On the ship, if your boots were too shiny they asked you where you
were sleeping all day. You did need a reasonable shine on your shoes
to get past the quarterdeck for liberty but they didn't go nuts about
it. Like I said a "business" shine, what a boss would expect in a
customer contact job.

Yeah but, I was the one doing the asking, so I had to keep 'em looking halfway good.


I was told pretty much for 29 weeks to work on my boots.

===

I learned early on in boot camp that there were two ways to avoid
being picked for a work detail: 1) Be spit shining your boots; or
2) Be writing a letter home.


The 29 weeks was Keesler tech school



Gosh, I guess The Band Played Waltzing Matilda a lot for you brave boys...

https://is.gd/KKCoD6


Nope, our theme song was:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wJVpihgwE18

But LBJ kept sending young kids.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 16:50:36 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/1/18 8:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:20:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:51:11 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:20:16 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 18:19:05 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 05:45:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:09:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:55:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:55:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:32:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:39:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:


We didn't really have guard duty, we had fire watch.
I remember my first night there I saw a guy wearing a cartridge belt
walking around and thinking he was a guard. My first thought was "I
could take that guy".
A couple nights later I was wearing the cartridge belt and walking
around ;-)


Same thick with air force. They explained making you wear the cartridge
belt made you under arms and more liable if you screw up.

There were not any live rounds on our side of the base and our drill
rifles did not have firing pins in them. I am not quite sure what arms
we were under. ;-)


We had the belt. That was all.

We wore the belt, canteen, ammo pouches and toted a real M-14...but no ammo.


Air Force basic we only handled firearms on two days of 6 weeks. One day
of inside, raining, safety and dry fire. Next day at range. In pouring
rain.

I'm thinking we spent about 3 weeks on weapons training - assembly,
disassembly, and cleaning; the
manual of arms; actual firing and qualifying with the weapon, bayonet drill...

===

So what's the spirit of the bayonet?

Even Google knows the answer to that one. :-)

Let me guess ... "Stab him, Stab him NOW!"

We never had bayonets. Our plan was to start shooting at them about
12,000 yards out with the 5", then open up with the M2s if they got
inside 500-1000 yards and prepare to ram. ;-)

Lucky you. I'll bet you didn't have to clean the mud off your boots and
then spit shine them for the
next morning's inspection either.

I love these new Army boots - no shining. Brush the mud off and good to go.

We had our own fun. The "boondockers" we had were not just hugh top
shoes like the Navy used. They gave us steel toed engineer boots that
came with some kind of oiled finish that we had to get off before we
started the spit shine process. They still wanted the spit shined tho.
Once I got to the Navy school I found out those guys were OK with a
shoe shine out of a bottle if you were careful laying it on. There was
a little bit of a trick getting it on without streaks but it was still
far faster than spit shining. I had 2 pairs of shoes. One was Kiwi,
stored stuffed into white cotton boot socks, one was bottle shine,
just in case someone changed their mind.


At tech school, some bought the Corfam Boots. Come shining. Just do not
scratch the finish. Did not come in my size, 14.

After OCS I invested in Corfam low-quarters. Couldn't wear them before
that. Always wore the
Corcoran jump boots. They were easier to spit shine than the Army issue boots.

I was really happy when I got away from boot camp. That was the last
place where spit shined shoes were expected of us. They just needed to
be "business" shiny.
My go to for that was always the bottle after I learned how to
"paint".
On the ship, if your boots were too shiny they asked you where you
were sleeping all day. You did need a reasonable shine on your shoes
to get past the quarterdeck for liberty but they didn't go nuts about
it. Like I said a "business" shine, what a boss would expect in a
customer contact job.

Yeah but, I was the one doing the asking, so I had to keep 'em looking halfway good.


I was told pretty much for 29 weeks to work on my boots.

===

I learned early on in boot camp that there were two ways to avoid
being picked for a work detail: 1) Be spit shining your boots; or
2) Be writing a letter home.


The 29 weeks was Keesler tech school



Gosh, I guess The Band Played Waltzing Matilda a lot for you brave boys...

https://is.gd/KKCoD6


Nope, our theme song was:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wJVpihgwE18

But LBJ kept sending young kids.

As they say "Old soldiers never die" ... Young ones do.

Kinda proud ....
 

9:58 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Gosh, I guess The Band Played Waltzing Matilda a lot for you brave boys...

https://is.gd/KKCoD6
.....
Only for the ANZACs and maybe a few Canadians...

Kinda proud ....
 

On 10/2/18 1:46 PM, Tim wrote:

9:58 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Gosh, I guess The Band Played Waltzing Matilda a lot for you brave boys...

https://is.gd/KKCoD6
....
Only for the ANZACs and maybe a few Canadians...



Whoosh...as usual.

Kinda proud ....
 

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:50:03 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/18 1:46 PM, Tim wrote:

9:58 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Gosh, I guess The Band Played Waltzing Matilda a lot for you brave boys...

https://is.gd/KKCoD6
....
Only for the ANZACs and maybe a few Canadians...



Whoosh...as usual.

Maybe your comments are only witty and clever in your mind.

Kinda proud ....
 

Keyser Soze
- hide quoted text -
On 10/2/18 1:46 PM, Tim wrote:

9:58 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Gosh, I guess The Band Played Waltzing Matilda a lot for you brave boys....

https://is.gd/KKCoD6
....
Only for the ANZACs and maybe a few Canadians...



Whoosh...as usual.


............

Your “woosh� made no sense, Harry. As usual.