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.... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)? I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it. For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 22:15:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)? I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it. For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California Ah yes. That sure makes a believer out of me. Not. |
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Richard, I did read it when it was first released to the public.
“”Confidential”. Lol! Yeah, Dianne.... |
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On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. |
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On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. *From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth. I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag. Sorry. As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you. She seems credible as to her account of what she said happened. "Credible" doesn't mean true or accurate though. It just means a reasonable person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing. Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and college days. Or maybe he wasn't. None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him though. If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question really is has that behavior continued in his adult life. There is no evidence of that. The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date) that proves her claims. In his case he cannot prove a negative. Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty. The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing that. Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent? Is it right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty? Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing. That's been well hashed out and is not going to happen. Even 'ol Joe Biden said so back in 1991. All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the media. The FBI just gathers info. They don't draw a conclusion as to any of it's truthfulness or credibility. |
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On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. *From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth. I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.* Sorry. As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.* She seems credible as to her account of what she said happened.* "Credible" doesn't mean true or accurate though.* It just means a reasonable person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing. Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and college days.* Or maybe he wasn't. None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him though.* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.* There is no evidence of that. The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date) that proves her claims.* In his case he cannot prove a negative. Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty. The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing that. Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?* Is it right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty? Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.* That's been well hashed out and is not going to happen.* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so back in 1991.* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the media.* The FBI just gathers info.* They don't draw a conclusion as to any of it's truthfulness or credibility. Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding. Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him. |
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On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. *From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth. I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.* Sorry. As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.* She seems credible as to her account of what she said happened.* "Credible" doesn't mean true or accurate though.* It just means a reasonable person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing. Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and college days.* Or maybe he wasn't. None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him though.* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.* There is no evidence of that. The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date) that proves her claims.* In his case he cannot prove a negative. Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty. The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing that. Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?* Is it right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty? Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.* That's been well hashed out and is not going to happen.* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so back in 1991.* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the media.* The FBI just gathers info.* They don't draw a conclusion as to any of it's truthfulness or credibility. Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding. Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him. At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite) everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault, his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook. The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications of lying. That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath, then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned. |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. *From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth. I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.* Sorry. As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.* She seems credible as to her account of what she said happened.* "Credible" doesn't mean true or accurate though.* It just means a reasonable person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing. Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and college days.* Or maybe he wasn't. None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him though.* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.* There is no evidence of that. The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date) that proves her claims.* In his case he cannot prove a negative. Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty. The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing that. Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?* Is it right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty? Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.* That's been well hashed out and is not going to happen.* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so back in 1991.* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the media.* The FBI just gathers info.* They don't draw a conclusion as to any of it's truthfulness or credibility. Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding. Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him. At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite) everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault, his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook. The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications of lying. That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath, then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned. Reasonable. -- Posted with my iPhone 8+. |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:11:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. *From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth. I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.* Sorry. As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.* She seems credible as to her account of what she said happened.* "Credible" doesn't mean true or accurate though.* It just means a reasonable person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing. Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and college days.* Or maybe he wasn't. None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him though.* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.* There is no evidence of that. The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date) that proves her claims.* In his case he cannot prove a negative. Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty. The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing that. Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?* Is it right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty? Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.* That's been well hashed out and is not going to happen.* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so back in 1991.* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the media.* The FBI just gathers info.* They don't draw a conclusion as to any of it's truthfulness or credibility. Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding. Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him. At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite) everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault, his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook. The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications of lying. That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath, then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned. That would imply that Democrats wouldn't lie under oath. Based on the evidence right here, I wouldn't buy that. |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:27:39 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. OK Amy Barrett it is I guess. Be careful what you wish for. |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:14:21 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. *From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth. I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.* Sorry. As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.* She seems credible as to her account of what she said happened.* "Credible" doesn't mean true or accurate though.* It just means a reasonable person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing. Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and college days.* Or maybe he wasn't. None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him though.* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.* There is no evidence of that. The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date) that proves her claims.* In his case he cannot prove a negative. Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty. The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing that. Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?* Is it right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty? Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.* That's been well hashed out and is not going to happen.* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so back in 1991.* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the media.* The FBI just gathers info.* They don't draw a conclusion as to any of it's truthfulness or credibility. Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding. Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him. At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite) everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault, his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook. The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications of lying. That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath, then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned. Reasonable. Remind them a woman just went to jail for lying in a similar accusation. |
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On 9/26/2018 1:28 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:11:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. *From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth. I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.* Sorry. As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.* She seems credible as to her account of what she said happened.* "Credible" doesn't mean true or accurate though.* It just means a reasonable person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing. Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and college days.* Or maybe he wasn't. None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him though.* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.* There is no evidence of that. The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date) that proves her claims.* In his case he cannot prove a negative. Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty. The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing that. Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?* Is it right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty? Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.* That's been well hashed out and is not going to happen.* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so back in 1991.* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the media.* The FBI just gathers info.* They don't draw a conclusion as to any of it's truthfulness or credibility. Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding. Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him. At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite) everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault, his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook. The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications of lying. That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath, then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned. That would imply that Democrats wouldn't lie under oath. Based on the evidence right here, I wouldn't buy that. No way of knowing who of the witnesses testifying under oath are Democrats or Republicans. Besides, I don't think *all* Democrats are liars, especially those who are not politicians. Same with Republicans. Point is, testifying under oath under penalty of perjury is about the best our legal system has to offer without any hard evidence. |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/26/2018 1:28 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:11:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. *From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth. I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.* Sorry. As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.* She seems credible as to her account of what she said happened.* "Credible" doesn't mean true or accurate though.* It just means a reasonable person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing. Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and college days.* Or maybe he wasn't. None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him though.* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.* There is no evidence of that. The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date) that proves her claims.* In his case he cannot prove a negative. Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty. The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing that. Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?* Is it right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty? Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.* That's been well hashed out and is not going to happen.* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so back in 1991.* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the media.* The FBI just gathers info.* They don't draw a conclusion as to any of it's truthfulness or credibility. Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding. Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him. At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite) everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault, his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook. The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications of lying. That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath, then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned. That would imply that Democrats wouldn't lie under oath. Based on the evidence right here, I wouldn't buy that. No way of knowing who of the witnesses testifying under oath are Democrats or Republicans. Besides, I don't think *all* Democrats are liars, especially those who are not politicians. Same with Republicans. Point is, testifying under oath under penalty of perjury is about the best our legal system has to offer without any hard evidence. OK, I'll admit that there are probably *some* Democrats running around who are not liars. |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:13:29 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/26/2018 1:28 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:11:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. *From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth. I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.* Sorry. As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.* She seems credible as to her account of what she said happened.* "Credible" doesn't mean true or accurate though.* It just means a reasonable person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing. Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and college days.* Or maybe he wasn't. None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him though.* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.* There is no evidence of that. The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date) that proves her claims.* In his case he cannot prove a negative. Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty. The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing that. Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?* Is it right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty? Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.* That's been well hashed out and is not going to happen.* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so back in 1991.* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the media.* The FBI just gathers info.* They don't draw a conclusion as to any of it's truthfulness or credibility. Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding. Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him. At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite) everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault, his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook. The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications of lying. That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath, then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned. That would imply that Democrats wouldn't lie under oath. Based on the evidence right here, I wouldn't buy that. No way of knowing who of the witnesses testifying under oath are Democrats or Republicans. Besides, I don't think *all* Democrats are liars, especially those who are not politicians. Same with Republicans. Point is, testifying under oath under penalty of perjury is about the best our legal system has to offer without any hard evidence. OK, I'll admit that there are probably *some* Democrats running around who are not liars. === We used to have a few in this group but they seem to be gone fo the most part. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:13:29 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/26/2018 1:28 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:11:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. *From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth. I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.* Sorry. As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.* She seems credible as to her account of what she said happened.* "Credible" doesn't mean true or accurate though.* It just means a reasonable person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing. Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and college days.* Or maybe he wasn't. None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him though.* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.* There is no evidence of that. The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date) that proves her claims.* In his case he cannot prove a negative. Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty. The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing that. Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?* Is it right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty? Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.* That's been well hashed out and is not going to happen.* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so back in 1991.* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the media.* The FBI just gathers info.* They don't draw a conclusion as to any of it's truthfulness or credibility. Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding. Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him. At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite) everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault, his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook. The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications of lying. That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath, then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned. That would imply that Democrats wouldn't lie under oath. Based on the evidence right here, I wouldn't buy that. No way of knowing who of the witnesses testifying under oath are Democrats or Republicans. Besides, I don't think *all* Democrats are liars, especially those who are not politicians. Same with Republicans. Point is, testifying under oath under penalty of perjury is about the best our legal system has to offer without any hard evidence. OK, I'll admit that there are probably *some* Democrats running around who are not liars. === We used to have a few in this group but they seem to be gone fo the most part. Not easy to tolerate the mindlessness and stench of you right-wingers. -- Posted with my iPhone 8+. |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 17:56:01 -0400, Keyser Sze
wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:13:29 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/26/2018 1:28 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:11:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. *From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth. I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.* Sorry. As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.* She seems credible as to her account of what she said happened.* "Credible" doesn't mean true or accurate though.* It just means a reasonable person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing. Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and college days.* Or maybe he wasn't. None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him though.* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.* There is no evidence of that. The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date) that proves her claims.* In his case he cannot prove a negative. Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty. The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing that. Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?* Is it right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty? Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.* That's been well hashed out and is not going to happen.* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so back in 1991.* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the media.* The FBI just gathers info.* They don't draw a conclusion as to any of it's truthfulness or credibility. Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding. Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him. At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite) everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault, his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook. The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications of lying. That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath, then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned. That would imply that Democrats wouldn't lie under oath. Based on the evidence right here, I wouldn't buy that. No way of knowing who of the witnesses testifying under oath are Democrats or Republicans. Besides, I don't think *all* Democrats are liars, especially those who are not politicians. Same with Republicans. Point is, testifying under oath under penalty of perjury is about the best our legal system has to offer without any hard evidence. OK, I'll admit that there are probably *some* Democrats running around who are not liars. === We used to have a few in this group but they seem to be gone fo the most part. Not easy to tolerate the mindlessness and stench of you right-wingers. === I don't consider myself to be a right winger although I'll concede to being a fiscal conservative and constitutionalist. If that bothers you so much, I'd suggest that you be careful to not let the door hit you on the way out. PS, if you're so concerned about the government, consider clearing up your tax mess and start paying your fair share. |
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Keyser Sze Wrote in message:
Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:13:29 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/26/2018 1:28 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:11:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)? I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it. For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth. I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag. Sorry. As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you. She seems credible as to her account of what she said happened. "Credible" doesn't mean true or accurate though. It just means a reasonable person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing. Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and college days. Or maybe he wasn't. None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him though. If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question really is has that behavior continued in his adult life. There is no evidence of that. The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date) that proves her claims. In his case he cannot prove a negative. Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty. The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing that. Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent? Is it right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty? Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing. That's been well hashed out and is not going to happen. Even 'ol Joe Biden said so back in 1991. All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the media. The FBI just gathers info. They don't draw a conclusion as to any of it's truthfulness or credibility. Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding. Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him. At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite) everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault, his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook. The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications of lying. That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath, then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned. That would imply that Democrats wouldn't lie under oath. Based on the evidence right here, I wouldn't buy that. No way of knowing who of the witnesses testifying under oath are Democrats or Republicans. Besides, I don't think *all* Democrats are liars, especially those who are not politicians. Same with Republicans. Point is, testifying under oath under penalty of perjury is about the best our legal system has to offer without any hard evidence. OK, I'll admit that there are probably *some* Democrats running around who are not liars. === We used to have a few in this group but they seem to be gone fo the most part. Not easy to tolerate the mindlessness and stench of you right-wingers. -- Posted with my iPhone 8+. If I were you I wouldn't tolerate it at all. Do what you need to do. Us tax paying right wingers will do fine when you leave with your tail between your legs. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 9/26/18 6:57 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message: Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:13:29 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/26/2018 1:28 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:11:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)? I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it. For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth. I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag. Sorry. As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you. She seems credible as to her account of what she said happened. "Credible" doesn't mean true or accurate though. It just means a reasonable person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing. Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and college days. Or maybe he wasn't. None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him though. If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question really is has that behavior continued in his adult life. There is no evidence of that. The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date) that proves her claims. In his case he cannot prove a negative. Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty. The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing that. Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent? Is it right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty? Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing. That's been well hashed out and is not going to happen. Even 'ol Joe Biden said so back in 1991. All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the media. The FBI just gathers info. They don't draw a conclusion as to any of it's truthfulness or credibility. Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding. Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him. At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite) everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault, his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook. The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications of lying. That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath, then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned. That would imply that Democrats wouldn't lie under oath. Based on the evidence right here, I wouldn't buy that. No way of knowing who of the witnesses testifying under oath are Democrats or Republicans. Besides, I don't think *all* Democrats are liars, especially those who are not politicians. Same with Republicans. Point is, testifying under oath under penalty of perjury is about the best our legal system has to offer without any hard evidence. OK, I'll admit that there are probably *some* Democrats running around who are not liars. === We used to have a few in this group but they seem to be gone fo the most part. Not easy to tolerate the mindlessness and stench of you right-wingers. -- Posted with my iPhone 8+. If I were you I wouldn't tolerate it at all. Do what you need to do. Us tax paying right wingers will do fine when you leave with your tail between your legs. I was referring to those who left. Your right-wing turds don't bother me. |
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On 9/27/2018 6:43 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 7:21 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/26/18 2:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:27:39 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. * From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. OK Amy Barrett it is I guess. Be careful what you wish for. If the longshot pays off and the Dems retake the Senate, Trump's days of nominating extreme right-wingers to the courts are over. Which, of course, is the whole purpose of the current bull**** campaign going on orchestrated by your party. You think the revelations about Kavsnaugh are B.S.? How very Republican of you. Oh please. You are assuming they are true. Guilty with no proof. Some of the latest "revelations" regarding other women have already been proved to be baseless and made up. It's a game and a sleazy one at that. Not all people follow the details of all these allegations because they are busy working and raising families. The Dems, using the liberal media, are simply swamping the news with stories trying to create the impression that Kavanaugh is a sexual predator and monster. There is no question in my mind that this is a campaign orchestrated by your party, led by people like Chuck Schumer to block Kavanaugh's confirmation using, in his words, "any means possible". You have people like Sen. Mazie Hirono (D) telling men to "shut up" as if men have no say on this subject. And my favorite sleazeball, Richard Blumenthal, guilty of stolen valor, supporting her comments. If it wasn't Kavanaugh they would be doing the same for *anyone* Trump nominated. Your's is currently a party of sleazeballs Harry. And to think I have voted for some in the past. |
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justan Wrote in message:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 7:21 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/26/18 2:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:27:39 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)? I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it. For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. OK Amy Barrett it is I guess. Be careful what you wish for. If the longshot pays off and the Dems retake the Senate, Trump's days of nominating extreme right-wingers to the courts are over. Which, of course, is the whole purpose of the current bull**** campaign going on orchestrated by your party. You think the revelations about Kavsnaugh are B.S.? How very Republican of you. -- Posted with my iPad Pro If you think these women selling their souls for a few bucks is "revolutions" you are dumber than you are obese. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ Revalations. Beat you to it, fatso. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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justan Wrote in message:
justan Wrote in message: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 7:21 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/26/18 2:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:27:39 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)? I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it. For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. OK Amy Barrett it is I guess. Be careful what you wish for. If the longshot pays off and the Dems retake the Senate, Trump's days of nominating extreme right-wingers to the courts are over. Which, of course, is the whole purpose of the current bull**** campaign going on orchestrated by your party. You think the revelations about Kavsnaugh are B.S.? How very Republican of you. -- Posted with my iPad Pro If you think these women selling their souls for a few bucks is "revolutions" you are dumber than you are obese. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ Revalations. Beat you to it, fatso. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ Revelations. I think I got it now. :-) -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 9/27/2018 7:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... Mr. Luddite wrote: Which, of course, is the whole purpose of the current bull**** campaign going on orchestrated by your party. You think the revelations about Kavsnaugh are B.S.? How very Republican of you. Kavanaugh is a deeply flawed man, that much is clear. His part in the Starr investigation is ironic now that the shoe is on the other foot. He is simply reaping what he's sown. Of course to Luddite, it's all "unfair." Snowflakes all. It's a given that they blame the Dems for all their sins. It's all Pelosi's fault! It's Schumer's fault! Crybabies. "Snowflakes" and "Crybabies" are terms that referred to the progressive liberals, mostly in California, and was coined by those on the conservative side of the fence. In true dishonest behavior the left has now stolen those terms to describe their adversaries on the right. Figures. Show me proof that Kavanaugh is "deeply flawed". You can't. You've just joined the liberal bandwagon, repeating the same unified claims. I just mentioned to Harry ... if it were not Kavanaugh and Trump's choice of a nominee was another person of conservative leanings, I suspect we'd be witnessing a similar smear campaign. What *really* would be interesting is if Kavanaugh is rejected and Trump replaces him with a very conservative *woman* as his nominee. What will be the Dem's strategy then? |
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says... On 9/27/2018 7:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Mr. Luddite wrote: Which, of course, is the whole purpose of the current bull**** campaign going on orchestrated by your party. You think the revelations about Kavsnaugh are B.S.? How very Republican of you. Kavanaugh is a deeply flawed man, that much is clear. His part in the Starr investigation is ironic now that the shoe is on the other foot. He is simply reaping what he's sown. Of course to Luddite, it's all "unfair." Snowflakes all. It's a given that they blame the Dems for all their sins. It's all Pelosi's fault! It's Schumer's fault! Crybabies. "Snowflakes" and "Crybabies" are terms that referred to the progressive liberals, mostly in California, and was coined by those on the conservative side of the fence. In true dishonest behavior the left has now stolen those terms to describe their adversaries on the right. Figures. LOL. What goes around comes around. Show me proof that Kavanaugh is "deeply flawed". You can't. You've just joined the liberal bandwagon, repeating the same unified claims. Just plug in "Kavanaugh lies." He's a bull****ter, and his abuse of women says a lot about his character. You do need some integrity to serve on the Supreme Court. I just mentioned to Harry ... if it were not Kavanaugh and Trump's choice of a nominee was another person of conservative leanings, I suspect we'd be witnessing a similar smear campaign. Sure. All those women are lying. They didn't say a peep about Neil Gorsuch, just saved it for Kavanaugh. Grow up. What *really* would be interesting is if Kavanaugh is rejected and Trump replaces him with a very conservative *woman* as his nominee. What will be the Dem's strategy then? Just find somebody with solid character, snowflake. That's all it takes. |
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On 9/27/2018 8:30 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On 9/27/2018 7:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Mr. Luddite wrote: Which, of course, is the whole purpose of the current bull**** campaign going on orchestrated by your party. You think the revelations about Kavsnaugh are B.S.? How very Republican of you. Kavanaugh is a deeply flawed man, that much is clear. His part in the Starr investigation is ironic now that the shoe is on the other foot. He is simply reaping what he's sown. Of course to Luddite, it's all "unfair." Snowflakes all. It's a given that they blame the Dems for all their sins. It's all Pelosi's fault! It's Schumer's fault! Crybabies. "Snowflakes" and "Crybabies" are terms that referred to the progressive liberals, mostly in California, and was coined by those on the conservative side of the fence. In true dishonest behavior the left has now stolen those terms to describe their adversaries on the right. Figures. LOL. What goes around comes around. Show me proof that Kavanaugh is "deeply flawed". You can't. You've just joined the liberal bandwagon, repeating the same unified claims. Just plug in "Kavanaugh lies." He's a bull****ter, and his abuse of women says a lot about his character. You do need some integrity to serve on the Supreme Court. I just mentioned to Harry ... if it were not Kavanaugh and Trump's choice of a nominee was another person of conservative leanings, I suspect we'd be witnessing a similar smear campaign. Sure. All those women are lying. They didn't say a peep about Neil Gorsuch, just saved it for Kavanaugh. Grow up. What *really* would be interesting is if Kavanaugh is rejected and Trump replaces him with a very conservative *woman* as his nominee. What will be the Dem's strategy then? Just find somebody with solid character, snowflake. That's all it takes. A modern day progressive liberal lecturing me to "grow up". Thanks for the chuckle of the day. |
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On 9/27/18 7:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/27/2018 7:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Mr. Luddite wrote: Which, of course, is the whole purpose of the current bull**** campaign going on orchestrated by your party. You think the revelations about Kavsnaugh are B.S.? How very Republican of you. Kavanaugh is a deeply flawed man, that much is clear.* His part in the Starr investigation is ironic now that the shoe is on the other foot.* He is simply reaping what he's sown. Of course to Luddite, it's all "unfair."* Snowflakes all. It's a given that they blame the Dems for all their sins. It's all Pelosi's fault!* It's Schumer's fault! Crybabies. "Snowflakes" and "Crybabies" are terms that referred to the progressive liberals, mostly in California, and was coined by those on the conservative side of the fence. In true dishonest behavior the left has now stolen those terms to describe their adversaries on the right.* Figures. Show me proof that Kavanaugh is "deeply flawed".* You can't. You've just joined the liberal bandwagon, repeating the same unified claims. I just mentioned to Harry ... if it were not Kavanaugh and Trump's choice of a nominee was another person of conservative leanings, I suspect we'd be witnessing a similar smear campaign. What *really* would be interesting is if Kavanaugh is rejected and Trump replaces him with a very conservative *woman* as his nominee. What will be the Dem's strategy then? As I have previously posted, there is no shortage of right-wing trash who appeal to Trump waiting in the wings. |
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On 9/27/2018 8:44 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/27/18 7:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/27/2018 7:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Mr. Luddite wrote: Which, of course, is the whole purpose of the current bull**** campaign going on orchestrated by your party. You think the revelations about Kavsnaugh are B.S.? How very Republican of you. Kavanaugh is a deeply flawed man, that much is clear.* His part in the Starr investigation is ironic now that the shoe is on the other foot.* He is simply reaping what he's sown. Of course to Luddite, it's all "unfair."* Snowflakes all. It's a given that they blame the Dems for all their sins. It's all Pelosi's fault!* It's Schumer's fault! Crybabies. "Snowflakes" and "Crybabies" are terms that referred to the progressive liberals, mostly in California, and was coined by those on the conservative side of the fence. In true dishonest behavior the left has now stolen those terms to describe their adversaries on the right.* Figures. Show me proof that Kavanaugh is "deeply flawed".* You can't. You've just joined the liberal bandwagon, repeating the same unified claims. I just mentioned to Harry ... if it were not Kavanaugh and Trump's choice of a nominee was another person of conservative leanings, I suspect we'd be witnessing a similar smear campaign. What *really* would be interesting is if Kavanaugh is rejected and Trump replaces him with a very conservative *woman* as his nominee. What will be the Dem's strategy then? As I have previously posted, there is no shortage of right-wing trash who appeal to Trump waiting in the wings. You didn't answer my question. What if he replaced Kavanaugh with an equally conservative woman as his nominee? How would your party smear her? |
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On 9/27/2018 8:39 AM, wrote:
On 27 Sep 2018 10:43:13 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/26/2018 7:21 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/26/18 2:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:27:39 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: ... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently. Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below: July 30, 2018 CONFIDENTIAL Senator Dianne Feinstein Dear Senator Feinstein: I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak. Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge. Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me. * From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop." At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home. I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me. I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything. I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be in California after August 10th. In confidence, Christine Blasey Pala Alto, California I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible. I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby. I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from classmates. Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth. Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to question the witnesses themselves. Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so they could be gang-raped. OK Amy Barrett it is I guess. Be careful what you wish for. If the longshot pays off and the Dems retake the Senate, Trump's days of nominating extreme right-wingers to the courts are over. Which, of course, is the whole purpose of the current bull**** campaign going on orchestrated by your party. You think the revelations about Kavsnaugh are B.S.? How very Republican of you. #4 doesn't even seem to pass the laugh test. An anonymous letter about anonymous people. Another one is a nut job who had to have a restraining order against her because she was threatening a former boyfriend and his family. We are going to hear Ford today ... maybe. Don't know if this is true or not but late last night it was revealed that the "agenda" or whatever for today's testimonies may include the results of two interviews the committee has had with a guy who claims that *he* was the person involved in the 1982 incident with Ford, not Kavanaugh. You just can't make this stuff up. |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 08:53:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/27/2018 8:44 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/27/18 7:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/27/2018 7:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Mr. Luddite wrote: Which, of course, is the whole purpose of the current bull**** campaign going on orchestrated by your party. You think the revelations about Kavsnaugh are B.S.? How very Republican of you. Kavanaugh is a deeply flawed man, that much is clear.* His part in the Starr investigation is ironic now that the shoe is on the other foot.* He is simply reaping what he's sown. Of course to Luddite, it's all "unfair."* Snowflakes all. It's a given that they blame the Dems for all their sins. It's all Pelosi's fault!* It's Schumer's fault! Crybabies. "Snowflakes" and "Crybabies" are terms that referred to the progressive liberals, mostly in California, and was coined by those on the conservative side of the fence. In true dishonest behavior the left has now stolen those terms to describe their adversaries on the right.* Figures. Show me proof that Kavanaugh is "deeply flawed".* You can't. You've just joined the liberal bandwagon, repeating the same unified claims. I just mentioned to Harry ... if it were not Kavanaugh and Trump's choice of a nominee was another person of conservative leanings, I suspect we'd be witnessing a similar smear campaign. What *really* would be interesting is if Kavanaugh is rejected and Trump replaces him with a very conservative *woman* as his nominee. What will be the Dem's strategy then? As I have previously posted, there is no shortage of right-wing trash who appeal to Trump waiting in the wings. You didn't answer my question. What if he replaced Kavanaugh with an equally conservative woman as his nominee? How would your party smear her? Get a bunch of guys to claim rape! Easy! They just claim she used a gun in one hand and Viagra in the other. |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 08:53:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 9/27/2018 8:44 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/27/18 7:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/27/2018 7:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... Mr. Luddite wrote: Which, of course, is the whole purpose of the current bull**** campaign going on orchestrated by your party. You think the revelations about Kavsnaugh are B.S.? How very Republican of you. Kavanaugh is a deeply flawed man, that much is clear.* His part in the Starr investigation is ironic now that the shoe is on the other foot.* He is simply reaping what he's sown. Of course to Luddite, it's all "unfair."* Snowflakes all. It's a given that they blame the Dems for all their sins. It's all Pelosi's fault!* It's Schumer's fault! Crybabies. "Snowflakes" and "Crybabies" are terms that referred to the progressive liberals, mostly in California, and was coined by those on the conservative side of the fence. In true dishonest behavior the left has now stolen those terms to describe their adversaries on the right.* Figures. Show me proof that Kavanaugh is "deeply flawed".* You can't. You've just joined the liberal bandwagon, repeating the same unified claims. I just mentioned to Harry ... if it were not Kavanaugh and Trump's choice of a nominee was another person of conservative leanings, I suspect we'd be witnessing a similar smear campaign. What *really* would be interesting is if Kavanaugh is rejected and Trump replaces him with a very conservative *woman* as his nominee. What will be the Dem's strategy then? As I have previously posted, there is no shortage of right-wing trash who appeal to Trump waiting in the wings. You didn't answer my question. What if he replaced Kavanaugh with an equally conservative woman as his nominee? How would your party smear her? I think we are about to find out, after this inquisition is over. I do agree Kavanaugh is probably toast, not because they have proved anything but simply because he was "Borked". It may be a misstep by the left tho because he might have been the least objectionable candidate to them. I doubt they can do this twice in a row. |
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