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Florence!
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:42:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 9/14/2018 2:27 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/14/18 2:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/14/2018 12:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:28:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote: On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1, but is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain.Â* We're on a hill so no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a well. Should have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly lost power twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen, kitchen and showers so really no big deal.Â* Plus I have about 5 ways to cook without electricity, so we are OK. Hope anyone in the path fairs well.Â* I'll probably just spend my time painting the newly remodeled parts.Â* All new appliances next Tuesday!Â* Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3 months.Â* Whew! I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd. https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the Predator. Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump. I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever gives up the ghost I'll shop for one. Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and gave it three pulls.Â* Fired right up.Â* Last time it was used was last winter when we lost power for a couple of days.Â* Still has the same gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it.Â* I have it running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas if and when I need it again.Â* It's just purring away on the old gas. So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two.Â* It may lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating but I see no evidence of that.Â* I put a 1500 watt space heater on it as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine. That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My generator will run both. I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal propane underground tank.Â* It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house generator he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping for a longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment he made. I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not counting the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing the pool. Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just fine with it. I don't look down my nose at gasoline powered generators. I don't know if a gasoline-powered generator is available in the size we have that would be adequate to run one of our furnace/heat pumps, the well pump, and some appliances and lights. The well pump and heat pump require a substantial generator to start up and run. In the winter, if you don't have some heat available, the water pipes in the walls can freeze. Fixing that would cost a lot more than a generator. Oh, it's a 500-gallon buried tank. We did have one four-to-five day power outage in which the genny served us well. I ran the furnace and circulating pump (7 zones) in an eight thousand square foot house using the 2000 watt Honda. It also ran a refrigerator at the same time although it grunted a bit when the compressor first started. I agree though, it would never be adequate for heat pumps/ central air conditioners, well pumps or anything that requires 240 volts or current draws of more than 13 amps or so. I just have never had requirements to do that (other than once in Florida). Our power outages up here are rare and typically occur in the winter. They also don't last long. As previously mentioned, I can only recall two in the past 13 years and combined they lasted a total of 3 and a half days. I have been here 34 years. I only remember one outage here that lasted a whole day (Irma). Charley was about 20 hours and we have had a few that were more than 8 but most of the time we are only out an hour or so, still pretty rare. Occasionally we have had short outages that were so short that the UPS kept the TV and my PC going and we didn't even notice until we saw the kitchen light was out. The dog usually alerts tho when the inverters in the USP's kick on. |
Florence!
True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever gives up the ghost I'll shop for one. Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and gave it three pulls. Fired right up. Last time it was used was last winter when we lost power for a couple of days. Still has the same gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it. I have it running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas if and when I need it again. It's just purring away on the old gas. So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two. It may lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating but I see no evidence of that. I put a 1500 watt space heater on it as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine." What the 'ell! My new Honda 2000 took 7 or eight pulls to get it going in July on fresh gas with Seafoam additive. I take it out of the basement four times a year, pour the 3 month old gas into my Highlander and get about 8 liters of fresh high test in the can. Mix the Seafoam in and pour close to half a liter of the new stuff into the generator and start it up to run till it's dry. Then generator goes back into the basement and the fresh gas sits in my shed until needed or the 3 month mark...which ever comes first. Probably too much Seafoam. Find some TruFuel 4 stroke fuel and it will last up to 7 years. I already told you that. Maybe you'll listen/read this time. |
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justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever gives up the ghost I'll shop for one. Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and gave it three pulls. Fired right up. Last time it was used was last winter when we lost power for a couple of days. Still has the same gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it. I have it running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas if and when I need it again. It's just purring away on the old gas. So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two. It may lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating but I see no evidence of that. I put a 1500 watt space heater on it as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine." What the 'ell! My new Honda 2000 took 7 or eight pulls to get it going in July on fresh gas with Seafoam additive. I take it out of the basement four times a year, pour the 3 month old gas into my Highlander and get about 8 liters of fresh high test in the can. Mix the Seafoam in and pour close to half a liter of the new stuff into the generator and start it up to run till it's dry. Then generator goes back into the basement and the fresh gas sits in my shed until needed or the 3 month mark...which ever comes first. Pull a little harder if you can. You might be able to get it started in 3 pulls. I was thinking the same thing. Maybe his wife can start in on 2-3 pulls. |
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On Friday, 14 September 2018 22:40:47 UTC-3, Alex wrote:
True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever gives up the ghost I'll shop for one. Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and gave it three pulls. Fired right up. Last time it was used was last winter when we lost power for a couple of days. Still has the same gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it. I have it running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas if and when I need it again. It's just purring away on the old gas. So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two. It may lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating but I see no evidence of that. I put a 1500 watt space heater on it as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine." What the 'ell! My new Honda 2000 took 7 or eight pulls to get it going in July on fresh gas with Seafoam additive. I take it out of the basement four times a year, pour the 3 month old gas into my Highlander and get about 8 liters of fresh high test in the can. Mix the Seafoam in and pour close to half a liter of the new stuff into the generator and start it up to run till it's dry. Then generator goes back into the basement and the fresh gas sits in my shed until needed or the 3 month mark...which ever comes first. Probably too much Seafoam. Find some TruFuel 4 stroke fuel and it will last up to 7 years. I already told you that. Maybe you'll listen/read this time. mmmm let's see...your advice vs a Honda dealership... what to do? |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 2:32 PM, wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:04:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/14/2018 12:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/14/18 11:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/14/2018 11:43 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/14/18 11:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote: On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1, but is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain. We're on a hill so no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a well. Should have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly lost power twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen, kitchen and showers so really no big deal. Plus I have about 5 ways to cook without electricity, so we are OK. Hope anyone in the path fairs well. I'll probably just spend my time painting the newly remodeled parts. All new appliances next Tuesday! Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3 months. Whew! I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd. https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the Predator. Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump. I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever gives up the ghost I'll shop for one. Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and gave it three pulls. Fired right up. Last time it was used was last winter when we lost power for a couple of days. Still has the same gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it. I have it running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas if and when I need it again. It's just purring away on the old gas. So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two. It may lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating but I see no evidence of that. I put a 1500 watt space heater on it as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine. Ahh, you put Stabil in your generator's tank and the gas was good enough to start up and run your generator and therefore "So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two." Gotta love that scientific methodology. http://funkyimg.com/i/2Le5c.jpg Universal truth from a single observation? Just an additional data point from the time the generator sat for five years unused with gas in it. (again, used some Stabil). After all that time it ran, although it took extra pulls for it to fire up. Once running, it burned up the five year old gas with no problems. I am in the habit of adding Stabil to the gas storage jug immediately after I fill it with fresh gas. In that way the generator always has treated gas and it has always fired up and run fine after long periods of sitting (i.e. 5 years). Just my experience and only with the little Honda generator. Works for me. Doing the same now with the gas I use in the little scooter, based on the luck I've had with the generator. The only difference is that the scooter uses high test (93 octane) gas. When it's time to put the motorcycle away for the winter, I'll do the same for it. In fact, the owner's manual for the Suzuki specifically says to fill the tank with fresh gas, add an appropriate amount of fuel stabilizer (the manual recommends Stabil), run the motorcycle for a while to distribute the treated gas throughout the fuel system including the fuel injectors before permanently storing the motorcycle. That is the good thing about being a regular boater. I always have fresh gas around. My problem now is the cars. We don't drive enough these days to keep the battery up on all 3 of them. I am not sure my wife has been behind the wheel for a year. I should sell one I guess. My wife's 2017 Toyota has about 5000 miles on it, and that includes two 1600-mile round trips to the Jax area. Did you run down there to pay off debts? You don't like to drive long distances, right? |
Florence!
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:45:15 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 9/14/18 4:29 PM, Tim wrote: John H On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:27:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/14/18 2:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/14/2018 12:14 PM, wrote: - show quoted text - That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My generator will run both. I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal propane underground tank. It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house generator he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping for a longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment he made. I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not counting the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing the pool. Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just fine with it. I don't look down my nose at gasoline powered generators. I don't know if a gasoline-powered generator is available in the size we have that would be adequate to run one of our furnace/heat pumps, the well pump, and some appliances and lights. The well pump and heat pump require a substantial generator to start up and run. In the winter, if you don't have some heat available, the water pipes in the walls can freeze. Fixing that would cost a lot more than a generator. Oh, it's a 500-gallon buried tank. We did have one four-to-five day power outage in which the genny served us well. Do you honestly think you need all that when there's a power outage? Most of us could live with a couple space heaters, refrigerator, and some lights. Worried about water in pipes? Drain 'em. Buy some bottled water. Fill the bathtubs for the toilet. You're a mess. If you just have to have running water, leave the faucet trickling. I doesn't get into the negative numbers around here very much, especially in racist southern MD where you live. ........ John, some people don’t have a survivalists sense. Bad when their total life is dependent on others taking care of them.... Why should I want to be a right-wing survivalist when our generator keeps us comfortable, winter or summer, if there is a power outage? Doesn't your idiot buddy Johnny**** carry or use a generator in his motel room on wheels? Can't he put his dog or wife on a treadmill to generate whatever electricity he needs, and can't he poop in the woods? Leaving the water trickling isn't much of a solution when the water in the pipes comes from a well that has a 220 volt pump motor 225 feet underground. When we build our next house, we'll have a propane-fueled permanent generator there, too. My ex has a 5.5KW similar to mine and it pretty much runs the whole house in the winter (no A/C) because they have natural gas appliances. Richard's 2kw would probably get the job done. |
Florence!
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 2:38 PM, wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:27:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/14/18 2:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/14/2018 12:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:28:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote: On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1, but is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain. We're on a hill so no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a well. Should have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly lost power twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen, kitchen and showers so really no big deal. Plus I have about 5 ways to cook without electricity, so we are OK. Hope anyone in the path fairs well. I'll probably just spend my time painting the newly remodeled parts. All new appliances next Tuesday! Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3 months. Whew! I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd. https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the Predator. Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump. I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever gives up the ghost I'll shop for one. Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and gave it three pulls. Fired right up. Last time it was used was last winter when we lost power for a couple of days. Still has the same gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it. I have it running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas if and when I need it again. It's just purring away on the old gas. So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two. It may lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating but I see no evidence of that. I put a 1500 watt space heater on it as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine. That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My generator will run both. I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal propane underground tank. It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house generator he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping for a longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment he made. I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not counting the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing the pool. Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just fine with it. I don't look down my nose at gasoline powered generators. I don't know if a gasoline-powered generator is available in the size we have that would be adequate to run one of our furnace/heat pumps, the well pump, and some appliances and lights. The well pump and heat pump require a substantial generator to start up and run. In the winter, if you don't have some heat available, the water pipes in the walls can freeze. Fixing that would cost a lot more than a generator. Oh, it's a 500-gallon buried tank. We did have one four-to-five day power outage in which the genny served us well. Diesel is a good option for a big generator like that but diesel gets stale too. Natural gas is best but that is far from universally available as soon as you get very far out of town We use propane for heating in the downstairs heat pump (electric backup), hot water heaters, stovetop, two fireplaces *and* the generator. Hot water heater? Why would you heat hot water? I guess that's why they don't make them. |
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:02:10 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote: John H On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:50:06 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:Â* On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:Â* On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:Â* Â* Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1, but is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain. Â*We're on a hill so no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a well. Should have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly lost power twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen, kitchen and showers so really no big deal. Â*Plus I have about 5 ways to cook without electricity, so we are OK.Â* Â* Hope anyone in the path fairs well. Â*I'll probably just spend my time painting the newly remodeled parts. Â*All new appliances next Tuesday! Â*Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3 months. Â*Whew!Â* Â* I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd.Â* Â* Â*https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...r-63584.htmlÂ* Â* As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the Predator.Â* Â* Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.Â* "Sold the Honda today. But, Harbor Freight is out of the generator I want. Actually, they're out ofÂ* all generators. Hope we don't lose power for too long. I think our longest outage, in 27 years withÂ* this company, has been for about four hours."Â* Duh! Considering we're in the middle of hurricane season, it might gave been prudent to get the new generator and test drive it before selling the Honda. Up where John lives, winter probably has more outages than hurricanes bring. I am not sure I ever had a hurricane related outage near DC. |
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 19:15:45 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 9/14/18 6:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/14/2018 4:22 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:27:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/14/18 2:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/14/2018 12:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:28:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote: On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1, but is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain.Â* We're on a hill so no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a well. Should have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly lost power twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of the list. Work is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen, kitchen and showers so really no big deal.Â* Plus I have about 5 ways to cook without electricity, so we are OK. Hope anyone in the path fairs well.Â* I'll probably just spend my time painting the newly remodeled parts.Â* All new appliances next Tuesday!Â* Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3 months.Â* Whew! I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV crowd. https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the Predator. Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump. I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever gives up the ghost I'll shop for one. Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage shed and gave it three pulls.Â* Fired right up.Â* Last time it was used was last winter when we lost power for a couple of days.Â* Still has the same gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it.Â* I have it running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh gas if and when I need it again.Â* It's just purring away on the old gas. So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two.Â* It may lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP rating but I see no evidence of that.Â* I put a 1500 watt space heater on it as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine. That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My generator will run both. I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal propane underground tank.Â* It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house generator he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping for a longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment he made. I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not counting the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing the pool. Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just fine with it. I don't look down my nose at gasoline powered generators. I don't know if a gasoline-powered generator is available in the size we have that would be adequate to run one of our furnace/heat pumps, the well pump, and some appliances and lights. The well pump and heat pump require a substantial generator to start up and run. In the winter, if you don't have some heat available, the water pipes in the walls can freeze. Fixing that would cost a lot more than a generator. Oh, it's a 500-gallon buried tank. We did have one four-to-five day power outage in which the genny served us well. Do you honestly think you need all that when there's a power outage? Most of us could live with a couple space heaters, refrigerator, and some lights. Worried about water in pipes? Drain 'em. Buy some bottled water. Fill the bathtubs for the toilet. You're a mess. If you just have to have running water, leave the faucet trickling. I doesn't get into the negative numbers around here very much, especially in racist southern MD where you live. In an insulated house up my way it takes far more than a day or two of temps near zero or below to start being concerned with frozen pipes. Don't think it gets that cold in Harry's neck of the woods. How long does it take? Do you know? We've had winters in which the temps were in the single digits for a few days and only up in the teens later in that week. Would that be enough to freeze the pipes in an unheated house? Where are your "wet walls'. If they were toward the center of the house and not going up the outside walls I doubt you could freeze a pipe for a week or more. We had a very hard freeze up there my last winter in DC (83) and I froze the pipes in the garage but it was an unheated garage. It was the only time that ever happened tho, |
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