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Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
A good video of the problems faced by Scituate, MA, from the nor'easters this past spring.
https://features.weather.com/exodus/...me-every-year/ Much of the problem is blamed on climate change, but the sea level has risen by only 8 inches on average since 1900. A good article on the problem: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1...shment-project "This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes. Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently relinquishing control of their property. Seems like some folks bring on the problems themselves, but like to blame climate change. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:40:44 -0400, John H.
wrote: A good video of the problems faced by Scituate, MA, from the nor'easters this past spring. https://features.weather.com/exodus/...me-every-year/ Much of the problem is blamed on climate change, but the sea level has risen by only 8 inches on average since 1900. A good article on the problem: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1...shment-project "This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes. Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently relinquishing control of their property. Seems like some folks bring on the problems themselves, but like to blame climate change. === Scituate has been hammered more times than my great grand uncle's blacksmithing anvil. I'm fine with people living on that beach if that's what they want, but I'm not fine with repeated tax payer bail outs. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:54:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:40:44 -0400, John H. wrote: A good video of the problems faced by Scituate, MA, from the nor'easters this past spring. https://features.weather.com/exodus/...me-every-year/ Much of the problem is blamed on climate change, but the sea level has risen by only 8 inches on average since 1900. A good article on the problem: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1...shment-project "This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes. Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently relinquishing control of their property. Seems like some folks bring on the problems themselves, but like to blame climate change. === Scituate has been hammered more times than my great grand uncle's blacksmithing anvil. I'm fine with people living on that beach if that's what they want, but I'm not fine with repeated tax payer bail outs. Can't disagree with that! When seen in an overhead view, it appears they're just trying hard to tempt mother nature. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:54:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:40:44 -0400, John H. wrote: A good video of the problems faced by Scituate, MA, from the nor'easters this past spring. https://features.weather.com/exodus/...me-every-year/ Much of the problem is blamed on climate change, but the sea level has risen by only 8 inches on average since 1900. A good article on the problem: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1...shment-project "This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes. Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently relinquishing control of their property. Seems like some folks bring on the problems themselves, but like to blame climate change. === Scituate has been hammered more times than my great grand uncle's blacksmithing anvil. I'm fine with people living on that beach if that's what they want, but I'm not fine with repeated tax payer bail outs. Can't disagree with that! When seen in an overhead view, it appears they're just trying hard to tempt mother nature. Don't go pick'in on one of my favorite towns up here (Scituate) :-) Go back to your insideclimatenews.org link and scroll down a bit until you come upon an interactive map. Check that out. You'll find that Massachusetts has invested a mere pittance to coastal erosion compared to all the other states on the east coast, especially Florida. Since 1990 Florida has had major projects on both coasts, from Jacksonville to Miami and from Cape Coral to Tampa. Most of the money spent has been from New Jersey and southward and includes every state from there to Florida. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 18:44:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:54:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:40:44 -0400, John H. wrote: A good video of the problems faced by Scituate, MA, from the nor'easters this past spring. https://features.weather.com/exodus/...me-every-year/ Much of the problem is blamed on climate change, but the sea level has risen by only 8 inches on average since 1900. A good article on the problem: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1...shment-project "This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes. Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently relinquishing control of their property. Seems like some folks bring on the problems themselves, but like to blame climate change. === Scituate has been hammered more times than my great grand uncle's blacksmithing anvil. I'm fine with people living on that beach if that's what they want, but I'm not fine with repeated tax payer bail outs. Can't disagree with that! When seen in an overhead view, it appears they're just trying hard to tempt mother nature. Don't go pick'in on one of my favorite towns up here (Scituate) :-) Go back to your insideclimatenews.org link and scroll down a bit until you come upon an interactive map. Check that out. You'll find that Massachusetts has invested a mere pittance to coastal erosion compared to all the other states on the east coast, especially Florida. Since 1990 Florida has had major projects on both coasts, from Jacksonville to Miami and from Cape Coral to Tampa. Most of the money spent has been from New Jersey and southward and includes every state from there to Florida. That's what I mean. They blame 'climate change' but don't want to do the things necessary to protect themselves. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On 8/6/2018 7:16 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 18:44:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:54:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:40:44 -0400, John H. wrote: A good video of the problems faced by Scituate, MA, from the nor'easters this past spring. https://features.weather.com/exodus/...me-every-year/ Much of the problem is blamed on climate change, but the sea level has risen by only 8 inches on average since 1900. A good article on the problem: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1...shment-project "This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes. Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently relinquishing control of their property. Seems like some folks bring on the problems themselves, but like to blame climate change. === Scituate has been hammered more times than my great grand uncle's blacksmithing anvil. I'm fine with people living on that beach if that's what they want, but I'm not fine with repeated tax payer bail outs. Can't disagree with that! When seen in an overhead view, it appears they're just trying hard to tempt mother nature. Don't go pick'in on one of my favorite towns up here (Scituate) :-) Go back to your insideclimatenews.org link and scroll down a bit until you come upon an interactive map. Check that out. You'll find that Massachusetts has invested a mere pittance to coastal erosion compared to all the other states on the east coast, especially Florida. Since 1990 Florida has had major projects on both coasts, from Jacksonville to Miami and from Cape Coral to Tampa. Most of the money spent has been from New Jersey and southward and includes every state from there to Florida. That's what I mean. They blame 'climate change' but don't want to do the things necessary to protect themselves. You mean depend on federal bail out funds? |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 19:25:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 8/6/2018 7:16 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 18:44:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:54:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:40:44 -0400, John H. wrote: A good video of the problems faced by Scituate, MA, from the nor'easters this past spring. https://features.weather.com/exodus/...me-every-year/ Much of the problem is blamed on climate change, but the sea level has risen by only 8 inches on average since 1900. A good article on the problem: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1...shment-project "This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes. Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently relinquishing control of their property. Seems like some folks bring on the problems themselves, but like to blame climate change. === Scituate has been hammered more times than my great grand uncle's blacksmithing anvil. I'm fine with people living on that beach if that's what they want, but I'm not fine with repeated tax payer bail outs. Can't disagree with that! When seen in an overhead view, it appears they're just trying hard to tempt mother nature. Don't go pick'in on one of my favorite towns up here (Scituate) :-) Go back to your insideclimatenews.org link and scroll down a bit until you come upon an interactive map. Check that out. You'll find that Massachusetts has invested a mere pittance to coastal erosion compared to all the other states on the east coast, especially Florida. Since 1990 Florida has had major projects on both coasts, from Jacksonville to Miami and from Cape Coral to Tampa. Most of the money spent has been from New Jersey and southward and includes every state from there to Florida. That's what I mean. They blame 'climate change' but don't want to do the things necessary to protect themselves. You mean depend on federal bail out funds? I was thinking more of these folks who don't want to sign away some property rights so the town can try to fix the problem. "This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes. Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently relinquishing control of their property." |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 6:11:03 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 19:25:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/6/2018 7:16 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 18:44:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:54:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:40:44 -0400, John H. wrote: A good video of the problems faced by Scituate, MA, from the nor'easters this past spring. https://features.weather.com/exodus/...me-every-year/ Much of the problem is blamed on climate change, but the sea level has risen by only 8 inches on average since 1900. A good article on the problem: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1...shment-project "This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes. Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently relinquishing control of their property. Seems like some folks bring on the problems themselves, but like to blame climate change. === Scituate has been hammered more times than my great grand uncle's blacksmithing anvil. I'm fine with people living on that beach if that's what they want, but I'm not fine with repeated tax payer bail outs. Can't disagree with that! When seen in an overhead view, it appears they're just trying hard to tempt mother nature. Don't go pick'in on one of my favorite towns up here (Scituate) :-) Go back to your insideclimatenews.org link and scroll down a bit until you come upon an interactive map. Check that out. You'll find that Massachusetts has invested a mere pittance to coastal erosion compared to all the other states on the east coast, especially Florida. Since 1990 Florida has had major projects on both coasts, from Jacksonville to Miami and from Cape Coral to Tampa. Most of the money spent has been from New Jersey and southward and includes every state from there to Florida. That's what I mean. They blame 'climate change' but don't want to do the things necessary to protect themselves. You mean depend on federal bail out funds? I was thinking more of these folks who don't want to sign away some property rights so the town can try to fix the problem. "This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes. Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently relinquishing control of their property." Well, we can't have the poor, unwashed masses on our private beaches now, can we? If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 6:11:03 AM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 19:25:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/6/2018 7:16 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 18:44:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:54:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:40:44 -0400, John H. wrote: A good video of the problems faced by Scituate, MA, from the nor'easters this past spring. https://features.weather.com/exodus/...me-every-year/ Much of the problem is blamed on climate change, but the sea level has risen by only 8 inches on average since 1900. A good article on the problem: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1...shment-project "This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes. Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently relinquishing control of their property. Seems like some folks bring on the problems themselves, but like to blame climate change. === Scituate has been hammered more times than my great grand uncle's blacksmithing anvil. I'm fine with people living on that beach if that's what they want, but I'm not fine with repeated tax payer bail outs. Can't disagree with that! When seen in an overhead view, it appears they're just trying hard to tempt mother nature. Don't go pick'in on one of my favorite towns up here (Scituate) :-) Go back to your insideclimatenews.org link and scroll down a bit until you come upon an interactive map. Check that out. You'll find that Massachusetts has invested a mere pittance to coastal erosion compared to all the other states on the east coast, especially Florida. Since 1990 Florida has had major projects on both coasts, from Jacksonville to Miami and from Cape Coral to Tampa. Most of the money spent has been from New Jersey and southward and includes every state from there to Florida. That's what I mean. They blame 'climate change' but don't want to do the things necessary to protect themselves. You mean depend on federal bail out funds? I was thinking more of these folks who don't want to sign away some property rights so the town can try to fix the problem. "This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes. Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently relinquishing control of their property." Well, we can't have the poor, unwashed masses on our private beaches now, can we? If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. Yeah, you're right. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
Wayne.B Wrote in message:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. Somehow the houses lost get replaced with bigger fancier ones. The shoreline residents who "lost everything" seem to come back better off than before. Maintaining the shoreline is an expensive proposition. Taxpayers pay for all of it. Like New Orleans, why keep pouring money into it. Mother nature is going to win this war eventually. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) We've taken a trip to Maine with our little trailer and are thinking of another one through Maine to Nova Scotia. But, we're also kicking around Yellowstone, Glacier, and Grand Teton NPs. I've done them by motorcycle (not Glacier) but my wife's not seen any of them. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 06:11:02 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 19:25:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/6/2018 7:16 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 18:44:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:54:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:40:44 -0400, John H. wrote: A good video of the problems faced by Scituate, MA, from the nor'easters this past spring. https://features.weather.com/exodus/...me-every-year/ Much of the problem is blamed on climate change, but the sea level has risen by only 8 inches on average since 1900. A good article on the problem: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1...shment-project "This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes. Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently relinquishing control of their property. Seems like some folks bring on the problems themselves, but like to blame climate change. === Scituate has been hammered more times than my great grand uncle's blacksmithing anvil. I'm fine with people living on that beach if that's what they want, but I'm not fine with repeated tax payer bail outs. Can't disagree with that! When seen in an overhead view, it appears they're just trying hard to tempt mother nature. Don't go pick'in on one of my favorite towns up here (Scituate) :-) Go back to your insideclimatenews.org link and scroll down a bit until you come upon an interactive map. Check that out. You'll find that Massachusetts has invested a mere pittance to coastal erosion compared to all the other states on the east coast, especially Florida. Since 1990 Florida has had major projects on both coasts, from Jacksonville to Miami and from Cape Coral to Tampa. Most of the money spent has been from New Jersey and southward and includes every state from there to Florida. That's what I mean. They blame 'climate change' but don't want to do the things necessary to protect themselves. You mean depend on federal bail out funds? I was thinking more of these folks who don't want to sign away some property rights so the town can try to fix the problem. "This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes. Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently relinquishing control of their property." We have the same fight going on here. The Florida constitution already says the state owns all of the wet sand, usually defined as anything seaward of the grass line that forms at high tide. (with very few exceptions). People have taken that to also include the sand up to the vegetation line on beach front properties and most of the beaches on the west coast have public access points. It is really only over on the east coast where people want walls and fences to keep the public out. There are a couple of neighborhoods in Naples that are that way too but they are geographically isolated. Those areas also tends to be the same Massholes we are talking about here. (along with other I-95 people) My take on the whole thing is, I am OK if you want to own the beach in front of your house but when it washes away, you pay to fix it ... and you fight for the permits yourself. Explain to your neighbors why the government is not going to help them either. When the city of Ft Myers Beach re nourished their beach, there were a few hold outs who refused to sign the public access deal. The city just skipped their property and they had lagoons coming right up to their yards. That just made the erosion worse for them and it also brought beach walkers onto their grass. They caved. I am not really a fan of any beach re nourishment because it is always going to be a temporary fix at a huge public expense but the only way I will hold my nose and accept it is if this is a public beach. Otherwise I don't care if your house floats away and I don't want FEMA to fix it. I didn't see any government people here at my house cleaning up after any of the hurricanes and they are not doing **** to repair the HOA property erosion, nor mine. In fact the government just makes it harder for us to do anything about it. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 08:17:03 -0600 (MDT), justan wrote:
Wayne.B Wrote in message: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. Somehow the houses lost get replaced with bigger fancier ones. The shoreline residents who "lost everything" seem to come back better off than before. Maintaining the shoreline is an expensive proposition. Taxpayers pay for all of it. Like New Orleans, why keep pouring money into it. Mother nature is going to win this war eventually. I still think my idea was right after Katrina. They should have condemned every flooded property, like they would just about any other place in the US and if they wanted to rebuild, they have to rebuild using the same FEMA rules we use. The place we are building on Ft Myers Beach is 16' ASL to the first floor. In the case of New Orleans they could have put all of those out of work people in the rust belt to work loading dirt on barges and raise the flooded areas of NOLA by 10 or 12 feet. It would be far cheaper than the money FEMA will spend on the next flood. That may sound ridiculous but compared to the amount of dirt they have hauled west to raise Lee County Florida it is a sand box exercise. The little 150 acre community my wife brought out of the ground hauled in about 1.5 million yards of dirt, one truck load at a time. The whole development was lifted over 3 feet, then each house was raised another ~3 feet above that. That was duplicated hundreds of times across the county. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! === Mt Desert Island, Bar Harbor and Acadia Park are the crown jewel of the US east coast. We've spent a lot of time there over the years. September and early October are great times to go. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1025&bih=473&e i=7F5qW5quMNHn5gKz-qhI&q=acadia+national+park One of the cool things to do at Boothbay Harbor is to take a day trip out to Monhegan Island. It's a very scenic place with great hiking trails, very low key, and not at all touristy. When we went I spent a lot of time on the boat peering into the pilot house window. I was so impressed with their Furuno radar that I got one just like it for our trawler. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 23:19:25 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! === Mt Desert Island, Bar Harbor and Acadia Park are the crown jewel of the US east coast. We've spent a lot of time there over the years. September and early October are great times to go. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1025&bih=473&e i=7F5qW5quMNHn5gKz-qhI&q=acadia+national+park One of the cool things to do at Boothbay Harbor is to take a day trip out to Monhegan Island. It's a very scenic place with great hiking trails, very low key, and not at all touristy. When we went I spent a lot of time on the boat peering into the pilot house window. I was so impressed with their Furuno radar that I got one just like it for our trawler. We had a great whale-watching trip out of Bar Harbor. Saw many whales and had fun identifying them with the books provided. Love that whole area. Took a motorcycle trip up there with a friend. Tried to go up Cadillac Mountain, but the rain and the wind forced us to turn around about half way up. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:23:38 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 23:19:25 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! === Mt Desert Island, Bar Harbor and Acadia Park are the crown jewel of the US east coast. We've spent a lot of time there over the years. September and early October are great times to go. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1025&bih=473&e i=7F5qW5quMNHn5gKz-qhI&q=acadia+national+park One of the cool things to do at Boothbay Harbor is to take a day trip out to Monhegan Island. It's a very scenic place with great hiking trails, very low key, and not at all touristy. When we went I spent a lot of time on the boat peering into the pilot house window. I was so impressed with their Furuno radar that I got one just like it for our trawler. We had a great whale-watching trip out of Bar Harbor. Saw many whales and had fun identifying them with the books provided. Love that whole area. Took a motorcycle trip up there with a friend. Tried to go up Cadillac Mountain, but the rain and the wind forced us to turn around about half way up. === Too bad, the view from the top of Cadillac Mountain is spectacular. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:23:38 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 23:19:25 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! === Mt Desert Island, Bar Harbor and Acadia Park are the crown jewel of the US east coast. We've spent a lot of time there over the years. September and early October are great times to go. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1025&bih=473&e i=7F5qW5quMNHn5gKz-qhI&q=acadia+national+park One of the cool things to do at Boothbay Harbor is to take a day trip out to Monhegan Island. It's a very scenic place with great hiking trails, very low key, and not at all touristy. When we went I spent a lot of time on the boat peering into the pilot house window. I was so impressed with their Furuno radar that I got one just like it for our trawler. We had a great whale-watching trip out of Bar Harbor. Saw many whales and had fun identifying them with the books provided. Love that whole area. Took a motorcycle trip up there with a friend. Tried to go up Cadillac Mountain, but the rain and the wind forced us to turn around about half way up. === Too bad, the view from the top of Cadillac Mountain is spectacular. We are thinking of a trip to Maine and PEI. When is a good time to go. Thinking color change time, but are there better times? |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:48:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:23:38 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 23:19:25 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! === Mt Desert Island, Bar Harbor and Acadia Park are the crown jewel of the US east coast. We've spent a lot of time there over the years. September and early October are great times to go. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1025&bih=473&e i=7F5qW5quMNHn5gKz-qhI&q=acadia+national+park One of the cool things to do at Boothbay Harbor is to take a day trip out to Monhegan Island. It's a very scenic place with great hiking trails, very low key, and not at all touristy. When we went I spent a lot of time on the boat peering into the pilot house window. I was so impressed with their Furuno radar that I got one just like it for our trawler. We had a great whale-watching trip out of Bar Harbor. Saw many whales and had fun identifying them with the books provided. Love that whole area. Took a motorcycle trip up there with a friend. Tried to go up Cadillac Mountain, but the rain and the wind forced us to turn around about half way up. === Too bad, the view from the top of Cadillac Mountain is spectacular. We saw it when we went back with the RV. Beautiful. We plan on going back and hitting Nova Scotia also. Gotta get my wife off the Bluegrass kick for a while! |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 16:38:37 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:23:38 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 23:19:25 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! === Mt Desert Island, Bar Harbor and Acadia Park are the crown jewel of the US east coast. We've spent a lot of time there over the years. September and early October are great times to go. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1025&bih=473&e i=7F5qW5quMNHn5gKz-qhI&q=acadia+national+park One of the cool things to do at Boothbay Harbor is to take a day trip out to Monhegan Island. It's a very scenic place with great hiking trails, very low key, and not at all touristy. When we went I spent a lot of time on the boat peering into the pilot house window. I was so impressed with their Furuno radar that I got one just like it for our trawler. We had a great whale-watching trip out of Bar Harbor. Saw many whales and had fun identifying them with the books provided. Love that whole area. Took a motorcycle trip up there with a friend. Tried to go up Cadillac Mountain, but the rain and the wind forced us to turn around about half way up. === Too bad, the view from the top of Cadillac Mountain is spectacular. We are thinking of a trip to Maine and PEI. When is a good time to go. Thinking color change time, but are there better times? We went in June, and luckily missed a whole lot of rain. The weather was perfect, but the mosquitos were horrid. Given where you live, leaves would be nice to see. But, I see enough of the damn things every year! |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 16:38:37 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:23:38 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 23:19:25 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! === Mt Desert Island, Bar Harbor and Acadia Park are the crown jewel of the US east coast. We've spent a lot of time there over the years. September and early October are great times to go. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1025&bih=473&e i=7F5qW5quMNHn5gKz-qhI&q=acadia+national+park One of the cool things to do at Boothbay Harbor is to take a day trip out to Monhegan Island. It's a very scenic place with great hiking trails, very low key, and not at all touristy. When we went I spent a lot of time on the boat peering into the pilot house window. I was so impressed with their Furuno radar that I got one just like it for our trawler. We had a great whale-watching trip out of Bar Harbor. Saw many whales and had fun identifying them with the books provided. Love that whole area. Took a motorcycle trip up there with a friend. Tried to go up Cadillac Mountain, but the rain and the wind forced us to turn around about half way up. === Too bad, the view from the top of Cadillac Mountain is spectacular. We are thinking of a trip to Maine and PEI. When is a good time to go. Thinking color change time, but are there better times? We went in June, and luckily missed a whole lot of rain. The weather was perfect, but the mosquitos were horrid. Given where you live, leaves would be nice to see. But, I see enough of the damn things every year! We see a lot of color leaves also. In the mountains we have aspens and locally we have a lot of Blue Gum or Liquid Amber trees. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 16:38:37 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:23:38 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 23:19:25 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! === Mt Desert Island, Bar Harbor and Acadia Park are the crown jewel of the US east coast. We've spent a lot of time there over the years. September and early October are great times to go. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1025&bih=473&e i=7F5qW5quMNHn5gKz-qhI&q=acadia+national+park One of the cool things to do at Boothbay Harbor is to take a day trip out to Monhegan Island. It's a very scenic place with great hiking trails, very low key, and not at all touristy. When we went I spent a lot of time on the boat peering into the pilot house window. I was so impressed with their Furuno radar that I got one just like it for our trawler. We had a great whale-watching trip out of Bar Harbor. Saw many whales and had fun identifying them with the books provided. Love that whole area. Took a motorcycle trip up there with a friend. Tried to go up Cadillac Mountain, but the rain and the wind forced us to turn around about half way up. === Too bad, the view from the top of Cadillac Mountain is spectacular. We are thinking of a trip to Maine and PEI. When is a good time to go. Thinking color change time, but are there better times? === It depends on your priorities. Warmest weather is typically mid-August. Mid to late September offers cooler, crisper and leaves turning. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Wednesday, 8 August 2018 13:53:50 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:48:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:23:38 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 23:19:25 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there.. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! === Mt Desert Island, Bar Harbor and Acadia Park are the crown jewel of the US east coast. We've spent a lot of time there over the years. September and early October are great times to go. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1025&bih=473&e i=7F5qW5quMNHn5gKz-qhI&q=acadia+national+park One of the cool things to do at Boothbay Harbor is to take a day trip out to Monhegan Island. It's a very scenic place with great hiking trails, very low key, and not at all touristy. When we went I spent a lot of time on the boat peering into the pilot house window. I was so impressed with their Furuno radar that I got one just like it for our trawler. We had a great whale-watching trip out of Bar Harbor. Saw many whales and had fun identifying them with the books provided. Love that whole area. Took a motorcycle trip up there with a friend. Tried to go up Cadillac Mountain, but the rain and the wind forced us to turn around about half way up. === Too bad, the view from the top of Cadillac Mountain is spectacular. We saw it when we went back with the RV. Beautiful. We plan on going back and hitting Nova Scotia also. Gotta get my wife off the Bluegrass kick for a while! Perfect cure for anyone stuck on Bluegrass..... https://celtic-colours.com/ |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 11:31:46 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 August 2018 13:53:50 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:48:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:23:38 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 23:19:25 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! === Mt Desert Island, Bar Harbor and Acadia Park are the crown jewel of the US east coast. We've spent a lot of time there over the years. September and early October are great times to go. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1025&bih=473&e i=7F5qW5quMNHn5gKz-qhI&q=acadia+national+park One of the cool things to do at Boothbay Harbor is to take a day trip out to Monhegan Island. It's a very scenic place with great hiking trails, very low key, and not at all touristy. When we went I spent a lot of time on the boat peering into the pilot house window. I was so impressed with their Furuno radar that I got one just like it for our trawler. We had a great whale-watching trip out of Bar Harbor. Saw many whales and had fun identifying them with the books provided. Love that whole area. Took a motorcycle trip up there with a friend. Tried to go up Cadillac Mountain, but the rain and the wind forced us to turn around about half way up. === Too bad, the view from the top of Cadillac Mountain is spectacular. We saw it when we went back with the RV. Beautiful. We plan on going back and hitting Nova Scotia also. Gotta get my wife off the Bluegrass kick for a while! Perfect cure for anyone stuck on Bluegrass..... https://celtic-colours.com/ If enjoy them, you'd love Bluegrass. Much of Bluegrass originated with the Irish way back when. Here's an example with same instruments and very similar method of playing them. They'd fit in at Gettysburg, that's for sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBF9nuzryPw They're missing the upright bass, and I don't know where the rhythm beat is coming from, but it's damn close to Bluegrass. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 15:05:36 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 11:31:46 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Wednesday, 8 August 2018 13:53:50 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:48:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:23:38 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 23:19:25 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! === Mt Desert Island, Bar Harbor and Acadia Park are the crown jewel of the US east coast. We've spent a lot of time there over the years. September and early October are great times to go. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1025&bih=473&e i=7F5qW5quMNHn5gKz-qhI&q=acadia+national+park One of the cool things to do at Boothbay Harbor is to take a day trip out to Monhegan Island. It's a very scenic place with great hiking trails, very low key, and not at all touristy. When we went I spent a lot of time on the boat peering into the pilot house window. I was so impressed with their Furuno radar that I got one just like it for our trawler. We had a great whale-watching trip out of Bar Harbor. Saw many whales and had fun identifying them with the books provided. Love that whole area. Took a motorcycle trip up there with a friend. Tried to go up Cadillac Mountain, but the rain and the wind forced us to turn around about half way up. === Too bad, the view from the top of Cadillac Mountain is spectacular. We saw it when we went back with the RV. Beautiful. We plan on going back and hitting Nova Scotia also. Gotta get my wife off the Bluegrass kick for a while! Perfect cure for anyone stuck on Bluegrass..... https://celtic-colours.com/ If enjoy them, you'd love Bluegrass. Much of Bluegrass originated with the Irish way back when. Here's an example with same instruments and very similar method of playing them. They'd fit in at Gettysburg, that's for sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBF9nuzryPw They're missing the upright bass, and I don't know where the rhythm beat is coming from, but it's damn close to Bluegrass. === The rhythm beat in a lot of Celtic music comes from a small hand held drum called a Bodhran. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMI4X8OOMOg |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 22:23:01 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 15:05:36 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 11:31:46 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Wednesday, 8 August 2018 13:53:50 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:48:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:23:38 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 23:19:25 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! === Mt Desert Island, Bar Harbor and Acadia Park are the crown jewel of the US east coast. We've spent a lot of time there over the years. September and early October are great times to go. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1025&bih=473&e i=7F5qW5quMNHn5gKz-qhI&q=acadia+national+park One of the cool things to do at Boothbay Harbor is to take a day trip out to Monhegan Island. It's a very scenic place with great hiking trails, very low key, and not at all touristy. When we went I spent a lot of time on the boat peering into the pilot house window. I was so impressed with their Furuno radar that I got one just like it for our trawler. We had a great whale-watching trip out of Bar Harbor. Saw many whales and had fun identifying them with the books provided. Love that whole area. Took a motorcycle trip up there with a friend. Tried to go up Cadillac Mountain, but the rain and the wind forced us to turn around about half way up. === Too bad, the view from the top of Cadillac Mountain is spectacular. We saw it when we went back with the RV. Beautiful. We plan on going back and hitting Nova Scotia also. Gotta get my wife off the Bluegrass kick for a while! Perfect cure for anyone stuck on Bluegrass..... https://celtic-colours.com/ If enjoy them, you'd love Bluegrass. Much of Bluegrass originated with the Irish way back when. Here's an example with same instruments and very similar method of playing them. They'd fit in at Gettysburg, that's for sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBF9nuzryPw They're missing the upright bass, and I don't know where the rhythm beat is coming from, but it's damn close to Bluegrass. === The rhythm beat in a lot of Celtic music comes from a small hand held drum called a Bodhran. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMI4X8OOMOg I believe you're right. Thanks. Those things are probably a lot cheaper than an upright bass also! |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 22:23:01 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 15:05:36 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 11:31:46 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Wednesday, 8 August 2018 13:53:50 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:48:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:23:38 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 23:19:25 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! === Mt Desert Island, Bar Harbor and Acadia Park are the crown jewel of the US east coast. We've spent a lot of time there over the years. September and early October are great times to go. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1025&bih=473&e i=7F5qW5quMNHn5gKz-qhI&q=acadia+national+park One of the cool things to do at Boothbay Harbor is to take a day trip out to Monhegan Island. It's a very scenic place with great hiking trails, very low key, and not at all touristy. When we went I spent a lot of time on the boat peering into the pilot house window. I was so impressed with their Furuno radar that I got one just like it for our trawler. We had a great whale-watching trip out of Bar Harbor. Saw many whales and had fun identifying them with the books provided. Love that whole area. Took a motorcycle trip up there with a friend. Tried to go up Cadillac Mountain, but the rain and the wind forced us to turn around about half way up. === Too bad, the view from the top of Cadillac Mountain is spectacular. We saw it when we went back with the RV. Beautiful. We plan on going back and hitting Nova Scotia also. Gotta get my wife off the Bluegrass kick for a while! Perfect cure for anyone stuck on Bluegrass..... https://celtic-colours.com/ If enjoy them, you'd love Bluegrass. Much of Bluegrass originated with the Irish way back when. Here's an example with same instruments and very similar method of playing them. They'd fit in at Gettysburg, that's for sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBF9nuzryPw They're missing the upright bass, and I don't know where the rhythm beat is coming from, but it's damn close to Bluegrass. === The rhythm beat in a lot of Celtic music comes from a small hand held drum called a Bodhran. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMI4X8OOMOg I believe you're right. Thanks. Those things are probably a lot cheaper than an upright bass also! I saw more Cajon box drums used in Ireland than Bodhran drums. Both the ones they sat on and the thinner ones that hang from a strap. |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
Bill wrote:
John H. wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 22:23:01 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 15:05:36 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 11:31:46 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Wednesday, 8 August 2018 13:53:50 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:48:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:23:38 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 23:19:25 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! === Mt Desert Island, Bar Harbor and Acadia Park are the crown jewel of the US east coast. We've spent a lot of time there over the years. September and early October are great times to go. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1025&bih=473&e i=7F5qW5quMNHn5gKz-qhI&q=acadia+national+park One of the cool things to do at Boothbay Harbor is to take a day trip out to Monhegan Island. It's a very scenic place with great hiking trails, very low key, and not at all touristy. When we went I spent a lot of time on the boat peering into the pilot house window. I was so impressed with their Furuno radar that I got one just like it for our trawler. We had a great whale-watching trip out of Bar Harbor. Saw many whales and had fun identifying them with the books provided. Love that whole area. Took a motorcycle trip up there with a friend. Tried to go up Cadillac Mountain, but the rain and the wind forced us to turn around about half way up. === Too bad, the view from the top of Cadillac Mountain is spectacular. We saw it when we went back with the RV. Beautiful. We plan on going back and hitting Nova Scotia also. Gotta get my wife off the Bluegrass kick for a while! Perfect cure for anyone stuck on Bluegrass..... https://celtic-colours.com/ If enjoy them, you'd love Bluegrass. Much of Bluegrass originated with the Irish way back when. Here's an example with same instruments and very similar method of playing them. They'd fit in at Gettysburg, that's for sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBF9nuzryPw They're missing the upright bass, and I don't know where the rhythm beat is coming from, but it's damn close to Bluegrass. === The rhythm beat in a lot of Celtic music comes from a small hand held drum called a Bodhran. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMI4X8OOMOg I believe you're right. Thanks. Those things are probably a lot cheaper than an upright bass also! I saw more Cajon box drums used in Ireland than Bodhran drums. Both the ones they sat on and the thinner ones that hang from a strap. http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/to...rk-Red-Bus.htm |
Scituate, MA - Climate Migration
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 16:35:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:
John H. wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 22:23:01 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 15:05:36 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 11:31:46 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Wednesday, 8 August 2018 13:53:50 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:48:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 06:23:38 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 23:19:25 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/7/2018 9:30 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: If it's privately owned, then no public money should be used to prop it up. Why should state and federal tax money be used to "save" a bunch of rich people? Some might argue that it's a national treasure, but it's one I can't set foot on. === Exactly. It's too bad for the people who live there but it should come as no surprise to them. Like many other beaches it has probably been eroding for years. Beaches do that, and the sand that goes missing ends up somewhere else to build a new beach. In some ways it's like the people who build or buy a house near an airport and are then surprised that planes are making noise. We almost bought a house south of Plymouth (near the Cape) that was built high up on a cliff overlooking the southern part of Cape Cod Bay. I loved the house, the view and the fact that we would be able to have a mooring block for the Navigator, although the climb down the stairs to the the water wasn't something you'd want to do five times a day. Anyway, the house sat 60 feet from the edge of the cliff. We started the paperwork and at one point the realtor handed me a disclosure to sign. The disclosure (required by law) was related to the erosion history of the cliffs and indicated that they lost approximately 8 inches a year over the last 40 or 50 years. I divided the 60 feet by 8 inches and determined we'd have 90 years before the house fell in the ocean. Then I found out that the 8 inches/year was just an average .... some years there was no erosion but some years with big storms caused over 20 feet of the cliff to fall away. Decided my luck wasn't that good and we passed on the house. The insurance on a house like that has to be staggering. We have some friends that have an ocean-front house here in SC. It was initially an investment that they figured they could pass on to their three kids. While they raised some great kids, none went into a field as lucrative as their father (cardio-vascular surgeon), so they realized the kids just wouldn't be able to afford to keep it. The taxes and insurance bills are just too much. We just got back from our Maine trip, and one of the stops we made was Kennebunkport. There are some really cool houses there. Rode by the Bush compound both on land and by water (lobsta boat tour). Waved at the Secret Service boat that was out patrolling. Nice guys... they knew we were Republicans. :) === Nice. So where else did you get to in Maine, and how did you like it? It's always been one of our favorite places by both car and boat. It was a short visit, but I had to use some Delta eCredits or lose them. We used Portland as a home base, and did three days of driving tours. Went to Boothbay Harbor on our first short day. We both had a Lobster Roll for lunch. It was a good one with lots of meat, but it was our last. The flavor of the lobster is kind of covered up. I want my lobster with drawn butter, nothing more. Second day was Kennebunkport. Cool place, we both said we could go back and spend a few days there. Third day we went to the White Mountain National Forest. Took the scenic drive into Lincoln, NH. Nice day, nice drive. One day we did swing by Portland Head Light and Ft. Williams Park. Portland is a pretty cool city. We had a couple of great meals there. The waterfront district strikes me as similar to Charleston, SC. No parking and crowded. I want to go back to Bar Harbor and Arcadia. Maybe first week of September next year, after school starts back and tourist season is over. We're finishing a complete remodel of our kitchen right now. This will be our last trip until February and destination somewhere warm! === Mt Desert Island, Bar Harbor and Acadia Park are the crown jewel of the US east coast. We've spent a lot of time there over the years. September and early October are great times to go. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1025&bih=473&e i=7F5qW5quMNHn5gKz-qhI&q=acadia+national+park One of the cool things to do at Boothbay Harbor is to take a day trip out to Monhegan Island. It's a very scenic place with great hiking trails, very low key, and not at all touristy. When we went I spent a lot of time on the boat peering into the pilot house window. I was so impressed with their Furuno radar that I got one just like it for our trawler. We had a great whale-watching trip out of Bar Harbor. Saw many whales and had fun identifying them with the books provided. Love that whole area. Took a motorcycle trip up there with a friend. Tried to go up Cadillac Mountain, but the rain and the wind forced us to turn around about half way up. === Too bad, the view from the top of Cadillac Mountain is spectacular. We saw it when we went back with the RV. Beautiful. We plan on going back and hitting Nova Scotia also. Gotta get my wife off the Bluegrass kick for a while! Perfect cure for anyone stuck on Bluegrass..... https://celtic-colours.com/ If enjoy them, you'd love Bluegrass. Much of Bluegrass originated with the Irish way back when. Here's an example with same instruments and very similar method of playing them. They'd fit in at Gettysburg, that's for sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBF9nuzryPw They're missing the upright bass, and I don't know where the rhythm beat is coming from, but it's damn close to Bluegrass. === The rhythm beat in a lot of Celtic music comes from a small hand held drum called a Bodhran. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMI4X8OOMOg I believe you're right. Thanks. Those things are probably a lot cheaper than an upright bass also! I saw more Cajon box drums used in Ireland than Bodhran drums. Both the ones they sat on and the thinner ones that hang from a strap. The Bluegrass band 'Seldom Scene' had a box drum player for a year or two. He played at Gettysburg a while back, but haven't seen him in the group for the past year or so. |
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