On 6/21/2018 8:35 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 05:06:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/21/2018 12:54 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 05:28:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:24:50 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:36:32 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 22:09:37 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
No big deal. I did throw a belt at it. It was a tad over $100 in
parts, I did the water pump kit on the 1400 hour. That adds another
$50 or so.
It took about 4 hours, not much compared to the $700 in labor the
Yamaha dealer charges, plus full retail on the parts instead of the
~30% off you get on the internet.
Nothing exciting turned up (no water in the oil etc) and the computer
says I still have never thrown a code for anything.
So far so good on my 2012 F70. I still have a few little things to do
on the boat but we will splash for our regular boat ride tomorrow.
I might go ahead and work on the trailer before I put it away (wheel
bearing clean and pack mostly)


My 2003 Yamaha T-8 has only had two problems in all those years. Piece of
dirt or something on the idle jet. And the shifter cam in the handle
broke. They make good engines and assemblies.

Well, don't break anything. I busted the plastic case for the starter solenoid. Yamaha wanted well
over $500 for a new solenoid. Tim got me one that worked for about $26.75!

If I ever lose that $500 "all in one" starter, tilt, trim solenoid, I
will get a couple "ice cube" relays and a good old starter solenoid.

I'm talking about the 'starter' solenoid. The one mounted on the 'starter'. Don't know about the one
to which you refer. Not all 'good old starter solenoids' fit that Yamaha starter.

I looked and you are right. It is the old GM style starter solenoid
right on the motor on my F70. The guys must be talking about an old
design.
I guess that is how it is with a motor that doesn't break. You never
really get a good look at it. I doubt the motor cover has been off my
F70 more than 25-30 times in 6 years. I know it sometimes goes the
whole 100 hours between service intervals without coming off.


Seems I have a recollection of a automobile at one time that the
starter motor also served as the generator once the engine was
running.


===

Our first cruising sailboat had a small Volvo diesel with something
like that. It was called a Dynastart, worked OK as a starter but left
a lot to be desired as a generator. I think it was only rated at 10
amps charging, and like all Volvo parts, was incredibly overpriced..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wfTJWI__i8



I think I am recalling the early 60's Renault Dauphine. It's starter
was also the generator.

Apparently this system is still used in gas powered golf carts.

On 6/21/18 8:43 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/21/2018 8:35 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 05:06:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/21/2018 12:54 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 05:28:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:24:50 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:36:32 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 22:09:37 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
No big deal. I did throw a belt at it. It was a tad over $100 in
parts, I did the water pump kit on the 1400 hour. That adds
another
$50 or so.
It took about 4 hours, not much compared to the $700 in labor the
Yamaha dealer charges, plus full retail on the parts instead of
the
~30% off you get on the internet.
Nothing exciting turned up (no water in the oil etc) and the
computer
says I still have never thrown a code for anything.
So far so good on my 2012 F70. I still have a few little things
to do
on the boat but we will splash for our regular boat ride tomorrow.
I might go ahead and work on the trailer before I put it away
(wheel
bearing clean and pack mostly)


My 2003 Yamaha T-8 has only had two problems in all those
years.Â*Â* Piece of
dirt or something on the idle jet.Â* And the shifter cam in the
handle
broke.Â*Â* They make good engines and assemblies.

Well, don't break anything. I busted the plastic case for the
starter solenoid. Yamaha wanted well
over $500 for a new solenoid. Tim got me one that worked for
about $26.75!

If I ever lose that $500 "all in one" starter, tilt, trim solenoid, I
will get a couple "ice cube" relays and a good old starter solenoid.

I'm talking about the 'starter' solenoid. The one mounted on the
'starter'. Don't know about the one
to which you refer. Not all 'good old starter solenoids' fit that
Yamaha starter.

I looked and you are right. It is the old GM style starter solenoid
right on the motor on my F70. The guys must be talking about an old
design.
I guess that is how it is with a motor that doesn't break. You never
really get a good look at it. I doubt the motor cover has been off my
F70 more than 25-30 times in 6 years. I know it sometimes goes the
whole 100 hours between service intervals without coming off.


Seems I have a recollection of a automobile at one time that the
starter motor also served as the generator once the engine was
running.


===

Our first cruising sailboat had a small Volvo diesel with something
like that.Â* It was called a Dynastart, worked OK as a starter but left
a lot to be desired as a generator.Â* I think it was only rated at 10
amps charging, and like all Volvo parts, was incredibly overpriced..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wfTJWI__i8



I think I am recalling the early 60's Renault Dauphine.Â* It's starter
was also the generator.

Apparently this system is still used in gas powered golf carts.



I remember those, and some really ugly Citroens, DKWs (two cycle) and
other somewhat strange European cars of that era.