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New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/24/2018 10:29 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:43:19 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 5:16 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million. Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did not believe in. https://is.gd/5bHfjG Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that? VIETNAM WAR STATISTICS IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY... Vietnam Vets: 9.7% of their generation. DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS... 25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII. Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam. SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS... 76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds. Thee-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds. Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial or technical occupations. 79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered the military service. (63% of Korean War vets and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.) Deaths by region per 100,000 of pupulation: South -- 31%, West -- 29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%. Courtesy of the VFW Magazine and the Public Information Office, HQ CP Forward Observer -1st Recon April 12, 1997 World History Center It would be more interesting to see the numbers between 1968 and 73 when the draft was really running in high gear. Johnson really cranked it up. For example in december 1969 the first draw, 195 birthdays were drawn. That is 53% of all the numbers in the barrel. Assuming birthdays are fairly equally spread out across the year that was more than half of the eligible draftees. They did an alphabetical drawing to determine the induction order of those drawn by birthday. You know, they write this stuff down. And none of it considered school status, educational background, specific skills .... or anything. It was purely based on birthdays of those who registered as required when they turned 18 years old. The deferments, considerations for unique circumstances and needs of the government came *after* you received an induction notice. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/2018 1:54 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". My wife’s best childhood friend married a West Point grad. The military sent him to the Sorbonne for French and the defense language institute for Vietnamese. Language specialist. Maybe they figured your grasp of Russian and German would only be good for writing simple jingles. Or the fat disqualified you. The draft board would have absolutely no knowledge of Harry's grasp of Russian or German ... or anything else for that matter. In those days you were just a name with a number who had registered for the draft when you turned 18. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
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On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good, liar. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:43:19 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/24/18 5:16 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million. Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did not believe in. https://is.gd/5bHfjG Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that? VIETNAM WAR STATISTICS IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY... Vietnam Vets: 9.7% of their generation. DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS... 25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII. Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam. SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS... 76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds. Thee-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds. Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial or technical occupations. 79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered the military service. (63% of Korean War vets and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.) Deaths by region per 100,000 of pupulation: South -- 31%, West -- 29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%. Courtesy of the VFW Magazine and the Public Information Office, HQ CP Forward Observer -1st Recon April 12, 1997 World History Center You should by thanking the Good Lord your escape and evasion plan worked. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 16:53:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
6:43 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million. Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did not believe in. https://is.gd/5bHfjG Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that? - ooks like you conveniently left out the rest of your cut n paste, Harry. Looks like you and Bill Clinton and Dick Cheaneyhid in college maybe? . Some sought refuge in college or parental deferments; others intentionally failed aptitude tests or otherwise evaded; thousands fled to Canada; the politically connected sought refuge in the National Guard; and a growing number engaged in direct resistance. Antiwar activists viewed the draft as immoral and the only means for the government to continue the war with fresh soldiers. Ironically, as the draft continued to fuel the war effort, it also intensified the antiwar cause. Although the Selective Services deferment system meant that men of lower socioeconomic standing were most likely to be sent to the front lines, no one was completely safe from the draft. Almost every American was either eligible to go to war or knew someone who was. So like Harry to quote only part of an article. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice.* *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam.* All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 22:14:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/24/18 7:53 PM, Tim wrote: 6:43 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million. Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did not believe in. https://is.gd/5bHfjG Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that? - ooks like you conveniently left out the rest of your cut n paste, Harry. Looks like you and Bill Clinton and Dick Cheaneyhid in college maybe? . Some sought refuge in college or parental deferments; others intentionally failed aptitude tests or otherwise evaded; thousands fled to Canada; the politically connected sought refuge in the National Guard; and a growing number engaged in direct resistance. Antiwar activists viewed the draft as immoral and the only means for the government to continue the war with fresh soldiers. Ironically, as the draft continued to fuel the war effort, it also intensified the antiwar cause. Although the Selective Services deferment system meant that men of lower socioeconomic standing were most likely to be sent to the front lines, no one was completely safe from the draft. Almost every American was either eligible to go to war or knew someone who was. If you were any duller, timmy, you could change your name to "beige." Your assumption that I "sought refuge" in college is absurd. It never occurred to me in my high school days to consider military instead of college. The war against the SE Asians was immoral. It was a disgusting horror we perpetrated on the world. Getting a bit of a racial slur in there, Harry? You're sick. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 22:15:34 -0400, wrote:
On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. Thats a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. I was 21 in 1965 when they got me. I was working at Cape Canaveral and told to report to Jacksonville. I requested Kansas City for induction so I could see the family in Sedalia, MO. They were kind enough to let me do that, as long as I paid my own way to KC. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote:
Wrote in message: On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good, liar. Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who comes across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for some sort of neurological injury. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 9:17:08 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 16:53:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 6:43 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million. Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did not believe in. https://is.gd/5bHfjG Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that? ——- ooks like you conveniently left out the rest of your cut n paste, Harry. Looks like you and Bill Clinton and Dick Cheaneyhid in college maybe? “. Some sought refuge in college or parental deferments; others intentionally failed aptitude tests or otherwise evaded; thousands fled to Canada; the politically connected sought refuge in the National Guard; and a growing number engaged in direct resistance. Antiwar activists viewed the draft as immoral and the only means for the government to continue the war with fresh soldiers. Ironically, as the draft continued to fuel the war effort, it also intensified the antiwar cause. Although the Selective Service’s deferment system meant that men of lower socioeconomic standing were most likely to be sent to the front lines, no one was completely safe from the draft. Almost every American was either eligible to go to war or knew someone who was.” So like Harry to quote only part of an article. He wouldn't want to undermine his argument with a cut-n-paste, or expose one of the real reasons he didn't get drafted. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 08:11:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/25/2018 1:54 AM, Bill wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". My wifes best childhood friend married a West Point grad. The military sent him to the Sorbonne for French and the defense language institute for Vietnamese. Language specialist. Maybe they figured your grasp of Russian and German would only be good for writing simple jingles. Or the fat disqualified you. The draft board would have absolutely no knowledge of Harry's grasp of Russian or German ... or anything else for that matter. In those days you were just a name with a number who had registered for the draft when you turned 18. You're right, of course. The Selective Service system had no idea of any expertise I may have had. All the tests and assignments thereafter were done at Ft. Leonard Wood where I underwent Basic Training. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice.* *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam.* All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. I attended college for a while following high school however I was young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid "liberal arts" courses we all took. So, I dropped out, much to my parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler. My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option. I didn't join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the draft board. I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure". For me, it was not a bad choice. As I often tell people I feel I got more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit, decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for much of what I had to do to accomplish it. :-) |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 09:23:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good, liar. Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who comes across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for some sort of neurological injury. You looked in a mirror lately, oh omniscient one? |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/2018 9:23 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid.* In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or * numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good, * liar. Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who comes across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for some sort of neurological injury. Not trying to be a whistle blower but I can assure you ... it's an act for your benefit. It's funny to watch because you are the only one taking it seriously. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/2018 9:56 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice.* *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam.* All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. I attended college for a while following high school however I was young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid "liberal arts" courses we all took. So, I dropped out, much to my parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler. My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option. I didn't join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the draft board. I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure". For me, it was not a bad choice. As I often tell people I feel I got more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit, decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for much of what I had to do to accomplish it. :-) Whatever works. I’m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I would have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I finished my course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out my last semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot redhead I was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had access to the photo darkroom. No discipline! :) Learning to accept discipline is part of maturing IMO. The military teaches it in odd ways but for a young, restless and often obstinate 19 year old it's a lesson that serves well later in life. Not all endeavors, even running a business, always works out to your way of thinking and the ability to accept it and move on is an important skill. Consider the attitudes of young people today. I don't blame them but they are not subject to the same level of discipline, parental or otherwise, in today's culture. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/2018 10:08 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:23 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid.* In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or * numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good, * liar. Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who comes across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for some sort of neurological injury. Not trying to be a whistle blower but I can assure you ... it's an act for your benefit. It's funny to watch because you are the only one taking it seriously. Yeah, in real life Justan is the intellectual successor to the late Stephen Hawking. Your buddy is a cipher. How could you possibly know? Your only input is what you read here and it's an act. It's ok though. Makes me chuckle. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/18 10:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 10:08 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:23 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid.* In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or ** numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good, ** liar. Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who comes across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for some sort of neurological injury. Not trying to be a whistle blower but I can assure you ... it's an act for your benefit. It's funny to watch because you are the only one taking it seriously. Yeah, in real life Justan is the intellectual successor to the late Stephen Hawking. Your buddy is a cipher. How could you possibly know?* Your only input is what you read here and it's an act. It's ok though.* Makes me chuckle. An act, eh? Doubtful. Although he certainly has you fooled. I don't think he's playing stupid. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good, liar. Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who comes across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for some sort of neurological injury. Thanks for your concern, but your recommendation goes directly to the round file to keep company with your neverending contributions of bull****. Surely that 3rd rate college you attended must have taught you something of value. It's a shame you don't show it off. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice. *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam. All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. After attending the lowest ranked high school in Connecticut, it's a miricle that you were able to buy your way into any college. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/18 10:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 9:56 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice.* *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam.* All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. I attended college for a while following high school however I was young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid "liberal arts" courses we all took.* So, I dropped out, much to my parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler. My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option.* I didn't join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the draft board.* I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure". For me, it was not a bad choice.* As I often tell people I feel I got more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit, decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for much of what I had to do to accomplish it.** :-) Whatever works. I’m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I would have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I finished my course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out my last semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot redhead I was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had access to the photo darkroom. No discipline!* :) Learning to accept discipline is part of maturing IMO.* The military teaches it in odd ways but for a young, restless and often obstinate 19 year old it's a lesson that serves well later in life.* Not all endeavors, even running a business, always works out to your way of thinking and the ability to accept it and move on is an important skill. Consider the attitudes of young people today.* I don't blame them but they are not subject to the same level of discipline, parental or otherwise, in today's culture. Oh, I had no problems accepting the discipline required to get through college...tons of reading, dozens of long papers, research, et cetera. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 3/25/18 10:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 10:08 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:23 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good, liar. Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who comes across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for some sort of neurological injury. Not trying to be a whistle blower but I can assure you ... it's an act for your benefit. It's funny to watch because you are the only one taking it seriously. Yeah, in real life Justan is the intellectual successor to the late Stephen Hawking. Your buddy is a cipher. How could you possibly know? Your only input is what you read here and it's an act. It's ok though. Makes me chuckle. An act, eh? Doubtful. Although he certainly has you fooled. I don't think he's playing stupid. Are you insulting Luddite's intelligence? Who cares ,what you think? -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 3/25/18 10:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:56 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice. *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam. All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. I attended college for a while following high school however I was young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid "liberal arts" courses we all took. So, I dropped out, much to my parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler. My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option. I didn't join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the draft board. I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure". For me, it was not a bad choice. As I often tell people I feel I got more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit, decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for much of what I had to do to accomplish it. :-) Whatever works. I?m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I would have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I finished my course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out my last semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot redhead I was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had access to the photo darkroom. No discipline! :) Learning to accept discipline is part of maturing IMO. The military teaches it in odd ways but for a young, restless and often obstinate 19 year old it's a lesson that serves well later in life. Not all endeavors, even running a business, always works out to your way of thinking and the ability to accept it and move on is an important skill. Consider the attitudes of young people today. I don't blame them but they are not subject to the same level of discipline, parental or otherwise, in today's culture. Oh, I had no problems accepting the discipline required to get through college...tons of reading, dozens of long papers, research, et cetera. Worked your brain to the bone, eh? -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/2018 11:21 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 10:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 10:08 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:23 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid.* In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or ** numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good, ** liar. Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who comes across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for some sort of neurological injury. Not trying to be a whistle blower but I can assure you ... it's an act for your benefit. It's funny to watch because you are the only one taking it seriously. Yeah, in real life Justan is the intellectual successor to the late Stephen Hawking. Your buddy is a cipher. How could you possibly know?* Your only input is what you read here and it's an act. It's ok though.* Makes me chuckle. An act, eh? Doubtful. Although he certainly has you fooled. I don't think he's playing stupid. Has *me* fooled? Ha ha ha. Sorry pal but I've known him a lot longer than you up front and personal like. It's an act for your benefit ... and ours. But far be it from me to spoil your impressions and his fun. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/2018 11:31 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 10:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:56 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice.* *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam.* All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. I attended college for a while following high school however I was young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid "liberal arts" courses we all took.* So, I dropped out, much to my parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler. My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option.* I didn't join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the draft board.* I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure". For me, it was not a bad choice.* As I often tell people I feel I got more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit, decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for much of what I had to do to accomplish it.** :-) Whatever works. I’m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I would have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I finished my course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out my last semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot redhead I was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had access to the photo darkroom. No discipline!* :) Learning to accept discipline is part of maturing IMO.* The military teaches it in odd ways but for a young, restless and often obstinate 19 year old it's a lesson that serves well later in life.* Not all endeavors, even running a business, always works out to your way of thinking and the ability to accept it and move on is an important skill. Consider the attitudes of young people today.* I don't blame them but they are not subject to the same level of discipline, parental or otherwise, in today's culture. Oh, I had no problems accepting the discipline required to get through college...tons of reading, dozens of long papers, research, et cetera. Sorry Harry but I just don't buy it. Your in-ability to accept what you don't agree with or like is demonstrated daily in your posts here and you are, what(?) in your 70's? If you haven't learned by now, you never will. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/2018 12:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 11:31 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 10:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:56 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice.* *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam.* All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. I attended college for a while following high school however I was young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid "liberal arts" courses we all took.* So, I dropped out, much to my parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler. My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option.* I didn't join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the draft board.* I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure". For me, it was not a bad choice.* As I often tell people I feel I got more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit, decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for much of what I had to do to accomplish it.** :-) Whatever works. I’m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I would have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I finished my course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out my last semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot redhead I was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had access to the photo darkroom. No discipline!* :) Learning to accept discipline is part of maturing IMO.* The military teaches it in odd ways but for a young, restless and often obstinate 19 year old it's a lesson that serves well later in life.* Not all endeavors, even running a business, always works out to your way of thinking and the ability to accept it and move on is an important skill. Consider the attitudes of young people today.* I don't blame them but they are not subject to the same level of discipline, parental or otherwise, in today's culture. Oh, I had no problems accepting the discipline required to get through college...tons of reading, dozens of long papers, research, et cetera. Sorry Harry but I just don't buy it.* Your in-ability to accept what you don't agree with or like is demonstrated daily in your posts here and you are, what(?) in your 70's? If you haven't learned by now, you never will. BTW ... It's a little amusing to me that you think doing the studying and research required to earn a degree is a demonstration of "discipline". Maybe, but they are the basics that anyone with the desire and motivation can accomplish. Believe me, if I could do it just about anyone can. Millions do. The discipline required in the military is very different and is more of a preparation for dealing with non-academic issues both while serving and later in that you would likely just choose to avoid. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 08:00:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice. *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam. All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. As I said in Dec 69 the induction rate was 50% of those eligible. (had their name in the drum). It did seem clear that my buddy was targeted tho since they put him in the computer program right out of boot camp and he was married with a kid. Usually that pushed you down the list before the lottery. My brother in law had 4 kids (adopted) and he was deferred because of it. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 12:42:59 -0400, wrote:
On 25 Mar 2018 10:14:07 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. Thats a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. So you had a thyroid condition back then too? Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number. Delighted. Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in 1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25 year olds were not bother by it either. Math is not your strength. Correct me then without contradicting things you have said. If you got a lottery number at 23, you could not have been born before 12/2/45, assuming you turned 24 the next day. The first lottery number was issued 12/1/69 69-24=45. You have alluded to being "a few" years younger than me so that means 43 or 44 is more likely. If it was 43 you did not get a number at all. Math is not harreee's strength. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 08:08:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:29 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:43:19 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 5:16 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million. Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did not believe in. https://is.gd/5bHfjG Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that? VIETNAM WAR STATISTICS IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY... Vietnam Vets: 9.7% of their generation. DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS... 25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII. Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam. SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS... 76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds. Thee-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds. Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial or technical occupations. 79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered the military service. (63% of Korean War vets and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.) Deaths by region per 100,000 of pupulation: South -- 31%, West -- 29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%. Courtesy of the VFW Magazine and the Public Information Office, HQ CP Forward Observer -1st Recon April 12, 1997 World History Center It would be more interesting to see the numbers between 1968 and 73 when the draft was really running in high gear. Johnson really cranked it up. For example in december 1969 the first draw, 195 birthdays were drawn. That is 53% of all the numbers in the barrel. Assuming birthdays are fairly equally spread out across the year that was more than half of the eligible draftees. They did an alphabetical drawing to determine the induction order of those drawn by birthday. You know, they write this stuff down. And none of it considered school status, educational background, specific skills .... or anything. It was purely based on birthdays of those who registered as required when they turned 18 years old. The deferments, considerations for unique circumstances and needs of the government came *after* you received an induction notice. If you were actually registered II-s I don't think you got that notice at all. Maybe your college friends just did not get properly registered or their deferment was not renewed by the school. I believe it was up to the schools to keep that status fresh. (hence the "grade" thing). To be honest tho, I did not know anyone in school in 3q1968. My high school buddies who went to college were out and everyone else but my brother in law either were in uniform or carrying a DD-214. My Marine roomie was back in high school by then. That was interesting. He finished his senior year as a Marine recon, combat veteran going to a private school on the GI bill. Needless to say he stood out a little. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 09:17:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice.* *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam.* All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. I had a good GPA and I was in one of those programs but the pace was too slow to keep me awake. The military offered me, in a year, what I could expect to get in 4 in college and I never looked back. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 09:46:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: I attended college for a while following high school however I was young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid "liberal arts" courses we all took. So, I dropped out, much to my parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler. My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option. I didn't join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the draft board. I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure". For me, it was not a bad choice. As I often tell people I feel I got more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit, decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for much of what I had to do to accomplish it. :-) Sounds like me. My Marine buddy had me drive him down to the recruiter and while I was there the Navy guy talked me into taking the tests. When I aced the ETST (pretty much what I had just taken in the last 2 semesters) the navy and CG guys started bidding and the CG won. I had already talked to the CG and they had me on file but I had been interested in working at a life boat station when they talked to me then. I was on the waiting list. They bumped me up to "right now" and I was off to boot camp in a week or two. My Marine buddy was at Holibird 3 days before me. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice. *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam. All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. I think the deferment got a skills rating. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice.* *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam.* All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. School was cheaper in those days, but a few hundred dollars was a lot in those days. A nurse made less than $400 a month in 1964. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice.* *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam.* All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. I attended college for a while following high school however I was young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid "liberal arts" courses we all took. So, I dropped out, much to my parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler. My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option. I didn't join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the draft board. I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure". For me, it was not a bad choice. As I often tell people I feel I got more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit, decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for much of what I had to do to accomplish it. :-) Whatever works. I’m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I would have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I finished my course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out my last semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot redhead I was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had access to the photo darkroom. No discipline! :) So you admit your schooling was not serious. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/2018 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 08:00:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice. *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam. All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. As I said in Dec 69 the induction rate was 50% of those eligible. (had their name in the drum). It did seem clear that my buddy was targeted tho since they put him in the computer program right out of boot camp and he was married with a kid. Usually that pushed you down the list before the lottery. My brother in law had 4 kids (adopted) and he was deferred because of it. Much more coincidental based on the "needs" of the service at the time, I think. Like I said, the draft board didn't maintain a dossier on eligible draftees. They just had a massive list of registered people and birthdays. If you got a notice and happened to know someone with some "pull" you could probably get preferential treatment, but not before your name came up. I was targeted for a special program, probably in bootcamp but unknown to me at the time. It didn't become known to me until a couple of months later when I was in RM "A" school. I didn't know anyone important, I wasn't "special" in any way .... I just happened to come along at a time when they were selecting people for the project and, like a lottery, my name (or service number) came up. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/18 1:19 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice.* *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam.* All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. I attended college for a while following high school however I was young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid "liberal arts" courses we all took. So, I dropped out, much to my parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler. My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option. I didn't join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the draft board. I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure". For me, it was not a bad choice. As I often tell people I feel I got more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit, decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for much of what I had to do to accomplish it. :-) Whatever works. I’m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I would have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I finished my course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out my last semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot redhead I was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had access to the photo darkroom. No discipline! :) So you admit your schooling was not serious. If your logical processing tells you that, you are no good at logical processing. In fact, you seem no brighter than Justan, Luddite's intellectual hero. I fulfilled my degree requirements a semester ahead of time but I needed more credits to graduate, so I took a typography class and a page design class, and these enabled me to be close to my red-headed honey. You would not have made it through most of the classes I needed for my majors, as they required serious reading and writing skills, and you have demonstrated many times here your reading comprehension skills are minimal and your writing skills are close to non-existent. |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On 3/25/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 1:19 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice.* *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam.* All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. I attended college for a while following high school however I was young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid "liberal arts" courses we all took.* So, I dropped out, much to my parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler. My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option.* I didn't join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the draft board.* I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure". For me, it was not a bad choice.* As I often tell people I feel I got more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit, decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for much of what I had to do to accomplish it.** :-) Whatever works. I’m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I would have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I finished my course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out my last semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot redhead I was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had access to the photo darkroom. No discipline!* :) So you admit your schooling was not serious. If your logical processing tells you that, you are no good at logical processing. In fact, you seem no brighter than Justan, Luddite's intellectual hero. I fulfilled my degree requirements a semester ahead of time but I needed more credits to graduate, so I took a typography class and a page design class, and these enabled me to be close to my red-headed honey. You would not have made it through most of the classes I needed for my majors, as they required serious reading and writing skills, and you have demonstrated many times here your reading comprehension skills are minimal and your writing skills are close to non-existent. ( let me finish this for you, Harry ) ".... other than those, you seem to have had a more successful career than I." |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 4:25:00 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 1:19 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice.* *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam.* All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. I attended college for a while following high school however I was young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid "liberal arts" courses we all took.* So, I dropped out, much to my parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler. My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option.* I didn't join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the draft board.* I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure". For me, it was not a bad choice.* As I often tell people I feel I got more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit, decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for much of what I had to do to accomplish it.** :-) Whatever works. I’m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I would have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I finished my course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out my last semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot redhead I was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had access to the photo darkroom. No discipline!* :) So you admit your schooling was not serious. If your logical processing tells you that, you are no good at logical processing. In fact, you seem no brighter than Justan, Luddite's intellectual hero. I fulfilled my degree requirements a semester ahead of time but I needed more credits to graduate, so I took a typography class and a page design class, and these enabled me to be close to my red-headed honey. You would not have made it through most of the classes I needed for my majors, as they required serious reading and writing skills, and you have demonstrated many times here your reading comprehension skills are minimal and your writing skills are close to non-existent. ( let me finish this for you, Harry ) ".... other than those, you seem to have had a more successful career than I." LMAO! |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 1:19 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice.* *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam.* All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. I attended college for a while following high school however I was young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid "liberal arts" courses we all took.* So, I dropped out, much to my parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler. My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option.* I didn't join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the draft board.* I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure". For me, it was not a bad choice.* As I often tell people I feel I got more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit, decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for much of what I had to do to accomplish it.** :-) Whatever works. I’m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I would have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I finished my course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out my last semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot redhead I was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had access to the photo darkroom. No discipline!* :) So you admit your schooling was not serious. If your logical processing tells you that, you are no good at logical processing. In fact, you seem no brighter than Justan, Luddite's intellectual hero. I fulfilled my degree requirements a semester ahead of time but I needed more credits to graduate, so I took a typography class and a page design class, and these enabled me to be close to my red-headed honey. You would not have made it through most of the classes I needed for my majors, as they required serious reading and writing skills, and you have demonstrated many times here your reading comprehension skills are minimal and your writing skills are close to non-existent. ( let me finish this for you, Harry ) ".... other than those, you seem to have had a more successful career than I." Doubtful. NOT! |
New Poll: White House Most Corrupt
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/25/18 1:19 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2018 9:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote: On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote: BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid. Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed. Right, because what use would the military have for someone with language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics (sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the military had no use for me. Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up". Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh. A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period. Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps. If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp. My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying. Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the draft period in the Vietnam war. I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you received your induction notice.* *That* is when you took tests and they considered your background or school status. I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still received a notice to report for the induction exam.* All they did was reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point average was below a certain level they could still grab you. My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day and at night. I attended college for a while following high school however I was young, restless and frankly tired of school, especially of the stupid "liberal arts" courses we all took. So, I dropped out, much to my parent's dismay and got a job at Boston Whaler. My parents ... particularly my father ... was starting to put the pressure on regarding my future and, without their knowledge, I met with a Navy recruiter a couple of times to explore that option. I didn't join however until one day I received a "Greetings" letter from the draft board. I immediately contacted the Navy recruiter who told me to ignore it and come on in to sign up for my "adventure". For me, it was not a bad choice. As I often tell people I feel I got more out of the experience than I gave. It allowed me to mature a bit, decide what I really wanted to do and the Navy assisted and paid for much of what I had to do to accomplish it. :-) Whatever works. I’m sure I would have been a terrible soldier, as I would have had no patience for military style regimentation. After I finished my course requirements for English and Sociology majors, I filled out my last semester with two classes in journalism school because the hot redhead I was dating was a journalism major and thanks to a buddy, I had access to the photo darkroom. No discipline! :) So you admit your schooling was not serious. If your logical processing tells you that, you are no good at logical processing. In fact, you seem no brighter than Justan, Luddite's intellectual hero. I fulfilled my degree requirements a semester ahead of time but I needed more credits to graduate, so I took a typography class and a page design class, and these enabled me to be close to my red-headed honey. You would not have made it through most of the classes I needed for my majors, as they required serious reading and writing skills, and you have demonstrated many times here your reading comprehension skills are minimal and your writing skills are close to non-existent. My writing skills are existent enough to have earned enough money in my life that I never was near declaring bankruptcy. My education was serious enough to earn me enough money to not need bankruptcy. And your so-called excellent writing skills are mostly shown as good cut and paste. You plagiarized those papers you “wrote”? And you seemed to pick a 3rd rate college for skirt chasing and not a decent education. |
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