Yo, John ...
 

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 06:15:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:18:03 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:25:11 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 14:31:07 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Can't get on a military installation any more
without that, unless you're willing to go through a bunch of crap.

Times certainly changed. I used to just get waived through the gate at
Andrews and I shot skeet there so much that nobody ever asked who I
was. We used to give the "puller" a buck a round but I think the range
was free. (Bring your own ammo). I think you could get it at the PX
but I would have needed an ID there.

Things have changed since 9/11. I don't know of any 'open posts'
anymore. Ft. Belvoir didn't even
man the gates, except for the main gate. Now they're all manned and the
ID card is scanned. Many
days they'll have a 100% ID check and everyone's ID gets checked. There
must be at least one
military ID in the car.

The last military base we were on is in California.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/Liggett%20sign.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/M551%20Tank.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/Target%20Tank.jpg

They did an ID check and ran us on the computer, took about 5 minutes.
This is up a mountain on a dirt road from Big Sur off the Pac Coast
highway.
It is a pretty cool drive but at the top of the hill you hit the back
gate of an army base. They do let you drive through tho.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...the%20hill.jpg




It is an armored combat test base plus a reserve training base. Civilians
are allowed to hunt on weekends and government holidays. Is in the deed
restrictions. William Randolph Hearst had his hunting camp there. Admin
building is his old hunting camp. Gorgeous building. Supposedly Russian
Boars were introduced here by Hearst. He sold the land to the government
as a training base for a buck, with the provision that public hunting will
be allowed. That drive to the coast is paved these days unless you come in
from Carmel Valley. You probably visited Hearst Castle. The Hearst cattle
company still owns as far north as you can see from the castle. 89,000
acres.

There also used to be a nudist beach at Morro Bay. Wonder if it's still there.


Probably.

Yo, John ...
 

John H
- show quoted text -
In Korea, bananas were the hot item. The Koreans had a hard time getting bananas, for some reason.
Oh, cigarettes were always hot, but they were rationed there also. I used up my ration smoking the
damn things!
—-

My dads cousin who marched and shot his way through Europe said “old Gold� cigerretts were the hit ticked. An unopened pack of Old Gold was great bartering material. The locals didn’t smoke them, they traded them instead. Worth more than money...

Yo, John ...
 

On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 13:56:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/25/2018 1:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 10:02:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/25/2018 9:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 23:10:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:18:03 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:25:11 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 14:31:07 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Can't get on a military installation any more
without that, unless you're willing to go through a bunch of crap.

Times certainly changed. I used to just get waived through the gate at
Andrews and I shot skeet there so much that nobody ever asked who I
was. We used to give the "puller" a buck a round but I think the range
was free. (Bring your own ammo). I think you could get it at the PX
but I would have needed an ID there.

Things have changed since 9/11. I don't know of any 'open posts' anymore. Ft. Belvoir didn't even
man the gates, except for the main gate. Now they're all manned and the ID card is scanned. Many
days they'll have a 100% ID check and everyone's ID gets checked. There must be at least one
military ID in the car.

The last military base we were on is in California.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/Liggett%20sign.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/M551%20Tank.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/Target%20Tank.jpg

They did an ID check and ran us on the computer, took about 5 minutes.
This is up a mountain on a dirt road from Big Sur off the Pac Coast
highway.
It is a pretty cool drive but at the top of the hill you hit the back
gate of an army base. They do let you drive through tho.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...the%20hill.jpg


When working with the CA National Guard at Camp Roberts, just north of Paso Robles, we'd go to Ft.
HL to get cigs, etc, at the PX. Back then cigs were a good deal at the PX or Commissary.



When my wife and I were in Italy cigarettes were $2.50 a carton at the
base exchange however we were rationed to a limited number a month.
On the ship they were $1.50 a carton once we were underway. Neither of
us smoked back then and I'd buy all the cartons of Marlboro's allowed
per month and store them at our apartment. Once a month an Italian
"salesman" would visit all the Americans' apartments, carrying a huge
suitcase and buy all the cartons for $5.00/carton to be sold on the
Italian black market. We made enough profit to pay for our apartment
every month.

Now I can admit it. :-)



Way up into the 70s cigarettes were only $3-4 a carton in North
Carolina. I used to always load up in Kenley on my way through for my
smoker friends in Florida and Maryland. By the 80s they were getting
up in the $4.50 range but still a good deal.
In the ship, at sea, they were $1.50
I think the tobacco companies gave them away at below cost to the
military to drum up future sales. I was one of the few who got out
without the habit. I can smoke a cigarette to be social and not want
another one. I finally stopped that when I figured out you do not need
to be smoking to be in the smoking pit with your buddies. I preferred
smoking cigars then and I kept 1 or 2 in the cleaning kit holder in
the stock of my M1 in boot camp. It is hard to carry a cigar in your
pocket without crushing it and that was perfect. Nobody said a thing
about it. I was smoking those grocery store cigars at the time.
Then I was in a bar in New York and some people started making fun of
me, telling me that was not a cigar. I found the premium cigars and
never looked back but the price limited my consumption. Now I seldom
even partake in one of those and I hold out for something special.



Heh. One of my recollections of bootcamp was a day when the company
commander came into the barracks and asked how many people smoked.
(Nobody had been allowed to have a cigarette up until then).

Almost the entire company raised their hand and the CC told them to
go to the barracks lounge and light 'em up.

The rest of us who didn't raise their hand were sent outside in the
freezing cold Great Lakes winter to shovel snow.


That same philosophy is true today. If you smoke you can go outside
and sit at the picnic table and smoke. Everyone else is still at their
desk.

Yo, John ...
 

wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 13:56:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/25/2018 1:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 10:02:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/25/2018 9:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 23:10:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:18:03 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:25:11 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 14:31:07 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Can't get on a military installation any more
without that, unless you're willing to go through a bunch of crap.

Times certainly changed. I used to just get waived through the gate at
Andrews and I shot skeet there so much that nobody ever asked who I
was. We used to give the "puller" a buck a round but I think the range
was free. (Bring your own ammo). I think you could get it at the PX
but I would have needed an ID there.

Things have changed since 9/11. I don't know of any 'open posts'
anymore. Ft. Belvoir didn't even
man the gates, except for the main gate. Now they're all manned and
the ID card is scanned. Many
days they'll have a 100% ID check and everyone's ID gets checked.
There must be at least one
military ID in the car.

The last military base we were on is in California.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/Liggett%20sign.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/M551%20Tank.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/Target%20Tank.jpg

They did an ID check and ran us on the computer, took about 5 minutes.
This is up a mountain on a dirt road from Big Sur off the Pac Coast
highway.
It is a pretty cool drive but at the top of the hill you hit the back
gate of an army base. They do let you drive through tho.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...the%20hill.jpg


When working with the CA National Guard at Camp Roberts, just north
of Paso Robles, we'd go to Ft.
HL to get cigs, etc, at the PX. Back then cigs were a good deal at
the PX or Commissary.



When my wife and I were in Italy cigarettes were $2.50 a carton at the
base exchange however we were rationed to a limited number a month.
On the ship they were $1.50 a carton once we were underway. Neither of
us smoked back then and I'd buy all the cartons of Marlboro's allowed
per month and store them at our apartment. Once a month an Italian
"salesman" would visit all the Americans' apartments, carrying a huge
suitcase and buy all the cartons for $5.00/carton to be sold on the
Italian black market. We made enough profit to pay for our apartment
every month.

Now I can admit it. :-)



Way up into the 70s cigarettes were only $3-4 a carton in North
Carolina. I used to always load up in Kenley on my way through for my
smoker friends in Florida and Maryland. By the 80s they were getting
up in the $4.50 range but still a good deal.
In the ship, at sea, they were $1.50
I think the tobacco companies gave them away at below cost to the
military to drum up future sales. I was one of the few who got out
without the habit. I can smoke a cigarette to be social and not want
another one. I finally stopped that when I figured out you do not need
to be smoking to be in the smoking pit with your buddies. I preferred
smoking cigars then and I kept 1 or 2 in the cleaning kit holder in
the stock of my M1 in boot camp. It is hard to carry a cigar in your
pocket without crushing it and that was perfect. Nobody said a thing
about it. I was smoking those grocery store cigars at the time.
Then I was in a bar in New York and some people started making fun of
me, telling me that was not a cigar. I found the premium cigars and
never looked back but the price limited my consumption. Now I seldom
even partake in one of those and I hold out for something special.



Heh. One of my recollections of bootcamp was a day when the company
commander came into the barracks and asked how many people smoked.
(Nobody had been allowed to have a cigarette up until then).

Almost the entire company raised their hand and the CC told them to
go to the barracks lounge and light 'em up.

The rest of us who didn't raise their hand were sent outside in the
freezing cold Great Lakes winter to shovel snow.


That same philosophy is true today. If you smoke you can go outside
and sit at the picnic table and smoke. Everyone else is still at their
desk.


This is the road I figured you drove. John and tim would like it.

http://www.dangerousroads.org/north-...sson-road.html

Yo, John ...
 

6:46 PMBill
- show quoted text -
This is the road I figured you drove. John and tim would like it.

http://www.dangerousroads.org/north-...sson-road.html
.....

Looks great to me! Out east the most famous is the “tail of the dragon�. And it seems that any kid with an ‘R’ bike tries his grand price skills and usually gets creamed out.

The 15 mph speed limit doesn’t mean 51.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deal...North_Carolina

Yo, John ...
 

On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 13:56:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/25/2018 1:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 10:02:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/25/2018 9:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 23:10:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:18:03 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:25:11 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 14:31:07 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Can't get on a military installation any more
without that, unless you're willing to go through a bunch of crap.

Times certainly changed. I used to just get waived through the gate at
Andrews and I shot skeet there so much that nobody ever asked who I
was. We used to give the "puller" a buck a round but I think the range
was free. (Bring your own ammo). I think you could get it at the PX
but I would have needed an ID there.

Things have changed since 9/11. I don't know of any 'open posts'
anymore. Ft. Belvoir didn't even
man the gates, except for the main gate. Now they're all manned and
the ID card is scanned. Many
days they'll have a 100% ID check and everyone's ID gets checked.
There must be at least one
military ID in the car.

The last military base we were on is in California.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/Liggett%20sign.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/M551%20Tank.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/Target%20Tank.jpg

They did an ID check and ran us on the computer, took about 5 minutes.
This is up a mountain on a dirt road from Big Sur off the Pac Coast
highway.
It is a pretty cool drive but at the top of the hill you hit the back
gate of an army base. They do let you drive through tho.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...the%20hill.jpg


When working with the CA National Guard at Camp Roberts, just north
of Paso Robles, we'd go to Ft.
HL to get cigs, etc, at the PX. Back then cigs were a good deal at
the PX or Commissary.



When my wife and I were in Italy cigarettes were $2.50 a carton at the
base exchange however we were rationed to a limited number a month.
On the ship they were $1.50 a carton once we were underway. Neither of
us smoked back then and I'd buy all the cartons of Marlboro's allowed
per month and store them at our apartment. Once a month an Italian
"salesman" would visit all the Americans' apartments, carrying a huge
suitcase and buy all the cartons for $5.00/carton to be sold on the
Italian black market. We made enough profit to pay for our apartment
every month.

Now I can admit it. :-)



Way up into the 70s cigarettes were only $3-4 a carton in North
Carolina. I used to always load up in Kenley on my way through for my
smoker friends in Florida and Maryland. By the 80s they were getting
up in the $4.50 range but still a good deal.
In the ship, at sea, they were $1.50
I think the tobacco companies gave them away at below cost to the
military to drum up future sales. I was one of the few who got out
without the habit. I can smoke a cigarette to be social and not want
another one. I finally stopped that when I figured out you do not need
to be smoking to be in the smoking pit with your buddies. I preferred
smoking cigars then and I kept 1 or 2 in the cleaning kit holder in
the stock of my M1 in boot camp. It is hard to carry a cigar in your
pocket without crushing it and that was perfect. Nobody said a thing
about it. I was smoking those grocery store cigars at the time.
Then I was in a bar in New York and some people started making fun of
me, telling me that was not a cigar. I found the premium cigars and
never looked back but the price limited my consumption. Now I seldom
even partake in one of those and I hold out for something special.



Heh. One of my recollections of bootcamp was a day when the company
commander came into the barracks and asked how many people smoked.
(Nobody had been allowed to have a cigarette up until then).

Almost the entire company raised their hand and the CC told them to
go to the barracks lounge and light 'em up.

The rest of us who didn't raise their hand were sent outside in the
freezing cold Great Lakes winter to shovel snow.


That same philosophy is true today. If you smoke you can go outside
and sit at the picnic table and smoke. Everyone else is still at their
desk.


This is the road I figured you drove. John and tim would like it.

http://www.dangerousroads.org/north-...sson-road.html

That looks right. There are not many roads up over that mountain so it
is not hard to find.

Yo, John ...
 

On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

nacimiento-fergusson-road.

Yup that is it. Here is a picture above the tree line.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...sson-road..jpg

Yo, John ...
 

wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

nacimiento-fergusson-road.

Yup that is it. Here is a picture above the tree line.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...sson-road..jpg


One day I drove over to the coast on the road. Had been pig hunting, no
luck, at HL. Clear day, and a grey whale and calf just off shore as you
came down to highway 1.

Yo, John ...
 

On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 15:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
- show quoted text -
In Korea, bananas were the hot item. The Koreans had a hard time getting bananas, for some reason.
Oh, cigarettes were always hot, but they were rationed there also. I used up my ration smoking the
damn things!
—-

My dads cousin who marched and shot his way through Europe said “old Gold” cigerretts were the hit ticked. An unopened pack of Old Gold was great bartering material. The locals didn’t smoke them, they traded them instead. Worth more than money...

In Vietnam, Korea, and Europe, Marlboros were the hot item. In Vietnam a trooper could throw a pack
of Marlboros over the fence and back would come a Marlboro box full of marijuana cigarettes - but
only 19 'cause that's all they could fit in the box.

Yo, John ...
 

On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 13:56:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/25/2018 1:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 10:02:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/25/2018 9:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 23:10:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:18:03 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:25:11 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 14:31:07 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Can't get on a military installation any more
without that, unless you're willing to go through a bunch of crap.

Times certainly changed. I used to just get waived through the gate at
Andrews and I shot skeet there so much that nobody ever asked who I
was. We used to give the "puller" a buck a round but I think the range
was free. (Bring your own ammo). I think you could get it at the PX
but I would have needed an ID there.

Things have changed since 9/11. I don't know of any 'open posts'
anymore. Ft. Belvoir didn't even
man the gates, except for the main gate. Now they're all manned and
the ID card is scanned. Many
days they'll have a 100% ID check and everyone's ID gets checked.
There must be at least one
military ID in the car.

The last military base we were on is in California.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/Liggett%20sign.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/M551%20Tank.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/Target%20Tank.jpg

They did an ID check and ran us on the computer, took about 5 minutes.
This is up a mountain on a dirt road from Big Sur off the Pac Coast
highway.
It is a pretty cool drive but at the top of the hill you hit the back
gate of an army base. They do let you drive through tho.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...the%20hill.jpg


When working with the CA National Guard at Camp Roberts, just north
of Paso Robles, we'd go to Ft.
HL to get cigs, etc, at the PX. Back then cigs were a good deal at
the PX or Commissary.



When my wife and I were in Italy cigarettes were $2.50 a carton at the
base exchange however we were rationed to a limited number a month.
On the ship they were $1.50 a carton once we were underway. Neither of
us smoked back then and I'd buy all the cartons of Marlboro's allowed
per month and store them at our apartment. Once a month an Italian
"salesman" would visit all the Americans' apartments, carrying a huge
suitcase and buy all the cartons for $5.00/carton to be sold on the
Italian black market. We made enough profit to pay for our apartment
every month.

Now I can admit it. :-)



Way up into the 70s cigarettes were only $3-4 a carton in North
Carolina. I used to always load up in Kenley on my way through for my
smoker friends in Florida and Maryland. By the 80s they were getting
up in the $4.50 range but still a good deal.
In the ship, at sea, they were $1.50
I think the tobacco companies gave them away at below cost to the
military to drum up future sales. I was one of the few who got out
without the habit. I can smoke a cigarette to be social and not want
another one. I finally stopped that when I figured out you do not need
to be smoking to be in the smoking pit with your buddies. I preferred
smoking cigars then and I kept 1 or 2 in the cleaning kit holder in
the stock of my M1 in boot camp. It is hard to carry a cigar in your
pocket without crushing it and that was perfect. Nobody said a thing
about it. I was smoking those grocery store cigars at the time.
Then I was in a bar in New York and some people started making fun of
me, telling me that was not a cigar. I found the premium cigars and
never looked back but the price limited my consumption. Now I seldom
even partake in one of those and I hold out for something special.



Heh. One of my recollections of bootcamp was a day when the company
commander came into the barracks and asked how many people smoked.
(Nobody had been allowed to have a cigarette up until then).

Almost the entire company raised their hand and the CC told them to
go to the barracks lounge and light 'em up.

The rest of us who didn't raise their hand were sent outside in the
freezing cold Great Lakes winter to shovel snow.


That same philosophy is true today. If you smoke you can go outside
and sit at the picnic table and smoke. Everyone else is still at their
desk.


This is the road I figured you drove. John and tim would like it.

http://www.dangerousroads.org/north-...sson-road.html

Looks like fun. When in Germany my wife and I rode our motorcycles to Mandello, Italy over this
pass. At the time those pretty new walls were totally nonexistent. Have to admit, I was scared most
of the time. My wife wasn't, she just chugged along behind me.

Yo, John ...
 

On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 13:56:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/25/2018 1:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 10:02:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/25/2018 9:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 23:10:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:18:03 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:25:11 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 14:31:07 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Can't get on a military installation any more
without that, unless you're willing to go through a bunch of crap.

Times certainly changed. I used to just get waived through the gate at
Andrews and I shot skeet there so much that nobody ever asked who I
was. We used to give the "puller" a buck a round but I think the range
was free. (Bring your own ammo). I think you could get it at the PX
but I would have needed an ID there.

Things have changed since 9/11. I don't know of any 'open posts'
anymore. Ft. Belvoir didn't even
man the gates, except for the main gate. Now they're all manned and
the ID card is scanned. Many
days they'll have a 100% ID check and everyone's ID gets checked.
There must be at least one
military ID in the car.

The last military base we were on is in California.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/Liggett%20sign.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/M551%20Tank.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/Target%20Tank.jpg

They did an ID check and ran us on the computer, took about 5 minutes.
This is up a mountain on a dirt road from Big Sur off the Pac Coast
highway.
It is a pretty cool drive but at the top of the hill you hit the back
gate of an army base. They do let you drive through tho.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...the%20hill.jpg


When working with the CA National Guard at Camp Roberts, just north
of Paso Robles, we'd go to Ft.
HL to get cigs, etc, at the PX. Back then cigs were a good deal at
the PX or Commissary.



When my wife and I were in Italy cigarettes were $2.50 a carton at the
base exchange however we were rationed to a limited number a month.
On the ship they were $1.50 a carton once we were underway. Neither of
us smoked back then and I'd buy all the cartons of Marlboro's allowed
per month and store them at our apartment. Once a month an Italian
"salesman" would visit all the Americans' apartments, carrying a huge
suitcase and buy all the cartons for $5.00/carton to be sold on the
Italian black market. We made enough profit to pay for our apartment
every month.

Now I can admit it. :-)



Way up into the 70s cigarettes were only $3-4 a carton in North
Carolina. I used to always load up in Kenley on my way through for my
smoker friends in Florida and Maryland. By the 80s they were getting
up in the $4.50 range but still a good deal.
In the ship, at sea, they were $1.50
I think the tobacco companies gave them away at below cost to the
military to drum up future sales. I was one of the few who got out
without the habit. I can smoke a cigarette to be social and not want
another one. I finally stopped that when I figured out you do not need
to be smoking to be in the smoking pit with your buddies. I preferred
smoking cigars then and I kept 1 or 2 in the cleaning kit holder in
the stock of my M1 in boot camp. It is hard to carry a cigar in your
pocket without crushing it and that was perfect. Nobody said a thing
about it. I was smoking those grocery store cigars at the time.
Then I was in a bar in New York and some people started making fun of
me, telling me that was not a cigar. I found the premium cigars and
never looked back but the price limited my consumption. Now I seldom
even partake in one of those and I hold out for something special.



Heh. One of my recollections of bootcamp was a day when the company
commander came into the barracks and asked how many people smoked.
(Nobody had been allowed to have a cigarette up until then).

Almost the entire company raised their hand and the CC told them to
go to the barracks lounge and light 'em up.

The rest of us who didn't raise their hand were sent outside in the
freezing cold Great Lakes winter to shovel snow.


That same philosophy is true today. If you smoke you can go outside
and sit at the picnic table and smoke. Everyone else is still at their
desk.


This is the road I figured you drove. John and tim would like it.

http://www.dangerousroads.org/north-...sson-road.html

I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

Yo, John ...
 

John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

.....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the�Stelvio� for that very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

Yo, John ...
 

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the”Stelvio” for that very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

Yup, that's where the name comes from. I believe it's 26 kilometers. It took us 4 1/2 hours with
rain and snow almost the whole way.

Yo, John ...
 

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the�Stelvio� for that very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

I was pretty aggressive when I was riding but I decided I had pressed
my luck too far and bought a dresser down here. In spite of still
having white knuckle danger, it was boring knowing the biggest danger
was getting T boned by an old lady in a coupe deville.

Yo, John ...
 

10:21
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

- hide quoted text -
John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the�Stelvio� for that very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

I was pretty aggressive when I was riding but I decided I had pressed
my luck too far and bought a dresser down here. In spite of still
having white knuckle danger, it was boring knowing the biggest danger
was getting T boned by an old lady in a coupe deville.

——


Mamma blue-hair pulled right out in front of my brother on his 750 Honda. He laid it down and skidded right into her door and had both feet planted on his seat. Good he wasn’t pinned. He said she never looked to the left even once. Of course she was truthful when she said she didn’t see him...

Yo, John ...
 

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


10:21
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

- hide quoted text -
John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the�Stelvio� for that very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

I was pretty aggressive when I was riding but I decided I had pressed
my luck too far and bought a dresser down here. In spite of still
having white knuckle danger, it was boring knowing the biggest danger
was getting T boned by an old lady in a coupe deville.

——


Mamma blue-hair pulled right out in front of my brother on his 750 Honda. He laid it down and skidded right into her door and had both feet planted on his seat. Good he wasn’t pinned. He said she never looked to the left even once. Of course she was truthful when she said she didn’t see him...

I rode around DC for years and never worried that much about it but
one trip downtown here and I was losing the urge to ride.
The other problem is I am not sure where I would want to ride to here.
We just don't have that many roads and they are all long and straight.

Yo, John ...
 

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:


10:21
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

- hide quoted text -
John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the”Stelvio” for that very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

I was pretty aggressive when I was riding but I decided I had pressed
my luck too far and bought a dresser down here. In spite of still
having white knuckle danger, it was boring knowing the biggest danger
was getting T boned by an old lady in a coupe deville.

——


Mamma blue-hair pulled right out in front of my brother on his 750 Honda. He laid it down and skidded right into her door and had both feet planted on his seat. Good he wasn’t pinned. He said she never looked to the left even once. Of course she was truthful when she said she didn’t see him...

I hope someone told him to use his brakes next time. The bike stops quicker that way.

Yo, John ...
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 03:43:16 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


10:21
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

- hide quoted text -
John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the”Stelvio” for that very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

I was pretty aggressive when I was riding but I decided I had pressed
my luck too far and bought a dresser down here. In spite of still
having white knuckle danger, it was boring knowing the biggest danger
was getting T boned by an old lady in a coupe deville.

——


Mamma blue-hair pulled right out in front of my brother on his 750 Honda. He laid it down and skidded right into her door and had both feet planted on his seat. Good he wasn’t pinned. He said she never looked to the left even once. Of course she was truthful when she said she didn’t see him...

I rode around DC for years and never worried that much about it but
one trip downtown here and I was losing the urge to ride.
The other problem is I am not sure where I would want to ride to here.
We just don't have that many roads and they are all long and straight.

Unless you're riding to the beach to ogle girls, there's not much in the way of good riding roads
down there.

Yo, John ...
 

John H
- show quoted text -
I hope someone told him to use his brakes next time. The bike stops quicker that way
.....

He did. Combination of too short of a distance and damp road surfaces. Like sliding into home plate.

Yo, John ...
 

On 3/27/2018 9:45 AM, Tim wrote:

John H
- show quoted text -
I hope someone told him to use his brakes next time. The bike stops quicker that way
....

He did. Combination of too short of a distance and damp road surfaces. Like sliding into home plate.



Happened to me once in Puerto Rico. Was riding up a narrow road on a
Honda 350 in the rain forest in the middle of the island, came around a
corner and there was a car in front of me *backing* up. No time or
distance to stop, cliffs on one side, mountain on the other.

Laid the bike down on it's left side and slid sideways under the car's
rear bumper before he noticed and stopped.

Yo, John ...
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 06:45:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
- show quoted text -
I hope someone told him to use his brakes next time. The bike stops quicker that way
....

He did. Combination of too short of a distance and damp road surfaces. Like sliding into home plate.

Ewww. Front brake on wet roads is not a good combination. It's the one thing I don't like about the
Guzzi braking system. Sometimes I wish the rear brake pedal operated *only* the rear brake.

Yo, John ...
 

John H
- show quoted text -
Ewww. Front brake on wet roads is not a good combination. It's the one thing I don't like about the
Guzzi braking system. Sometimes I wish the rear brake pedal operated *only* the rear brake.

....

Mine are independent of each other. I’ve heard of many people separating the brakes on other models which were had front and back tied together

Yo, John ...
 

8:58 AMMr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
Happened to me once in Puerto Rico. Was riding up a narrow road on a
Honda 350 in the rain forest in the middle of the island, came around a
corner and there was a car in front of me *backing* up. No time or
distance to stop, cliffs on one side, mountain on the other.

Laid the bike down on it's left side and slid sideways under the car's
rear bumper before he noticed and stopped.

....

Yes. Amazing what you can “run into� out there...

Yo, John ...
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 08:16:25 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
- show quoted text -
Ewww. Front brake on wet roads is not a good combination. It's the one thing I don't like about the
Guzzi braking system. Sometimes I wish the rear brake pedal operated *only* the rear brake.

...

Mine are independent of each other. I’ve heard of many people separating the brakes on other models which were had front and back tied together

You know, until your comment I didn't realize the newer Guzzis had done away with the integral
braking system. I wonder if it was due to wet roads and the front tire locking.

Yo, John ...
 

wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


10:21
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

- hide quoted text -
John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the�Stelvio� for that very
reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

I was pretty aggressive when I was riding but I decided I had pressed
my luck too far and bought a dresser down here. In spite of still
having white knuckle danger, it was boring knowing the biggest danger
was getting T boned by an old lady in a coupe deville.

——


Mamma blue-hair pulled right out in front of my brother on his 750
Honda. He laid it down and skidded right into her door and had both feet
planted on his seat. Good he wasn’t pinned. He said she never looked to
the left even once. Of course she was truthful when she said she didn’t see him...

I rode around DC for years and never worried that much about it but
one trip downtown here and I was losing the urge to ride.
The other problem is I am not sure where I would want to ride to here.
We just don't have that many roads and they are all long and straight.


My wife was very happy when I broke the engine on my Kawasaki 350 beyond
repair. Split the barrel when the valve came apart. The rotary valve
version rocket. She said “ you never fell off your race car�.

Yo, John ...
 

10:45 AMJohn H
- show quoted text -
You know, until your comment I didn't realize the newer Guzzis had done away with the integral
braking system. I wonder if it was due to wet roads and the front tire locking.

....

Beats me when the did. Mines a 2000 and brakes are I depend and. They probably unincorporated them with the California v11 series.

Yo, John ...
 

On 3/27/2018 11:45 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 08:16:25 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
- show quoted text -
Ewww. Front brake on wet roads is not a good combination. It's the one thing I don't like about the
Guzzi braking system. Sometimes I wish the rear brake pedal operated *only* the rear brake.

...

Mine are independent of each other. I’ve heard of many people separating the brakes on other models which were had front and back tied together

You know, until your comment I didn't realize the newer Guzzis had done away with the integral
braking system. I wonder if it was due to wet roads and the front tire locking.



Sounds like it was a good idea to dump that system. I'd think it could
be dangerous under certain conditions.

Yo, John ...
 

Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
Sounds like it was a good idea to dump that system. I'd think it could
be dangerous under certain conditions.

....
I never thought it was a good idea on a bike myself...

Yo, John ...
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:25:55 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 03:43:16 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


10:21
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

- hide quoted text -
John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the�Stelvio� for that very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

I was pretty aggressive when I was riding but I decided I had pressed
my luck too far and bought a dresser down here. In spite of still
having white knuckle danger, it was boring knowing the biggest danger
was getting T boned by an old lady in a coupe deville.

——


Mamma blue-hair pulled right out in front of my brother on his 750 Honda. He laid it down and skidded right into her door and had both feet planted on his seat. Good he wasn’t pinned. He said she never looked to the left even once. Of course she was truthful when she said she didn’t see him...

I rode around DC for years and never worried that much about it but
one trip downtown here and I was losing the urge to ride.
The other problem is I am not sure where I would want to ride to here.
We just don't have that many roads and they are all long and straight.

Unless you're riding to the beach to ogle girls, there's not much in the way of good riding roads
down there.

That is more Harry's style but if I am going to the beach, I take my
boat.
We prefer deserted beaches to crowded beaches anyway, even if it is
full of girls.

Yo, John ...
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:58:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/27/2018 9:45 AM, Tim wrote:

John H
- show quoted text -
I hope someone told him to use his brakes next time. The bike stops quicker that way
....

He did. Combination of too short of a distance and damp road surfaces. Like sliding into home plate.



Happened to me once in Puerto Rico. Was riding up a narrow road on a
Honda 350 in the rain forest in the middle of the island, came around a
corner and there was a car in front of me *backing* up. No time or
distance to stop, cliffs on one side, mountain on the other.

Laid the bike down on it's left side and slid sideways under the car's
rear bumper before he noticed and stopped.

Only time I ever laid down a bike was in the dirt. I came over a hill
and did not know what was on the other side. (yeah I know, dumb) It
was a 45 degree bank with a creek at the bottom. I went down the whole
thing sliding along behind the bike.
My only other crash was dirt biking too. I rode off into a hole about
8 feet deep. It took 2 of us and a rope on my buddy's bike to get mine
out.
I sold my dirt bike after that and bought a Harley. Never went down
after that.
I do think a year or so in the dirt made me a better road rider tho. I
have squirrelled out a few times in the rain and managed to keep the
rubber rolling.
I think the worst was under the kennedy center complex on the E street
expressway. That piece of road is covered with those white vinyl
markings and in the rain they are slicker than snake snot. I got
sideways and just about the time I thought I was recovered I hit
another one and went out the other way. I did that for about a quarter
mile. My buddies behind me said I did quite the hula but I got away
with it.
I told them I planned the whole thing and what did they think?

I really think I dodged my share of bullets on a bike and I quit while
I was ahead.

Yo, John ...
 

On 3/27/18 1:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:25:55 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 03:43:16 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


10:21
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

- hide quoted text -
John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the�Stelvio� for that very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

I was pretty aggressive when I was riding but I decided I had pressed
my luck too far and bought a dresser down here. In spite of still
having white knuckle danger, it was boring knowing the biggest danger
was getting T boned by an old lady in a coupe deville.

——


Mamma blue-hair pulled right out in front of my brother on his 750 Honda. He laid it down and skidded right into her door and had both feet planted on his seat. Good he wasn’t pinned. He said she never looked to the left even once. Of course she was truthful when she said she didn’t see him...

I rode around DC for years and never worried that much about it but
one trip downtown here and I was losing the urge to ride.
The other problem is I am not sure where I would want to ride to here.
We just don't have that many roads and they are all long and straight.

Unless you're riding to the beach to ogle girls, there's not much in the way of good riding roads
down there.

That is more Harry's style but if I am going to the beach, I take my
boat.
We prefer deserted beaches to crowded beaches anyway, even if it is
full of girls.


I certainly wouldn't drive 30 seconds to oogle a bunch of women your age
or mine...

Yo, John ...
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 11:59:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/27/2018 11:45 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 08:16:25 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
- show quoted text -
Ewww. Front brake on wet roads is not a good combination. It's the one thing I don't like about the
Guzzi braking system. Sometimes I wish the rear brake pedal operated *only* the rear brake.

...

Mine are independent of each other. I’ve heard of many people separating the brakes on other models which were had front and back tied together

You know, until your comment I didn't realize the newer Guzzis had done away with the integral
braking system. I wonder if it was due to wet roads and the front tire locking.



Sounds like it was a good idea to dump that system. I'd think it could
be dangerous under certain conditions.


Yeah, like wet asphalt.

Yo, John ...
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:03:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
Sounds like it was a good idea to dump that system. I'd think it could
be dangerous under certain conditions.

...
I never thought it was a good idea on a bike myself...

My last two Guzzis had them. Having put over 200,000 miles on those bikes, I've gotten fairly used
to the integrated system.

Yo, John ...
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 13:08:02 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:25:55 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 03:43:16 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


10:21
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

- hide quoted text -
John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the”Stelvio” for that very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

I was pretty aggressive when I was riding but I decided I had pressed
my luck too far and bought a dresser down here. In spite of still
having white knuckle danger, it was boring knowing the biggest danger
was getting T boned by an old lady in a coupe deville.

——


Mamma blue-hair pulled right out in front of my brother on his 750 Honda. He laid it down and skidded right into her door and had both feet planted on his seat. Good he wasn’t pinned. He said she never looked to the left even once. Of course she was truthful when she said she didn’t see him...

I rode around DC for years and never worried that much about it but
one trip downtown here and I was losing the urge to ride.
The other problem is I am not sure where I would want to ride to here.
We just don't have that many roads and they are all long and straight.

Unless you're riding to the beach to ogle girls, there's not much in the way of good riding roads
down there.

That is more Harry's style but if I am going to the beach, I take my
boat.
We prefer deserted beaches to crowded beaches anyway, even if it is
full of girls.

Well, after all, the subject was riding. I'd stay away from any salt water on my motorcycle simply
to prevent corrosion.

Yo, John ...
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 13:43:46 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 3/27/18 1:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:25:55 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 03:43:16 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


10:21
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

- hide quoted text -
John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the”Stelvio” for that very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

I was pretty aggressive when I was riding but I decided I had pressed
my luck too far and bought a dresser down here. In spite of still
having white knuckle danger, it was boring knowing the biggest danger
was getting T boned by an old lady in a coupe deville.

——


Mamma blue-hair pulled right out in front of my brother on his 750 Honda. He laid it down and skidded right into her door and had both feet planted on his seat. Good he wasn’t pinned. He said she never looked to the left even once. Of course she was truthful when she said she didn’t see him...

I rode around DC for years and never worried that much about it but
one trip downtown here and I was losing the urge to ride.
The other problem is I am not sure where I would want to ride to here.
We just don't have that many roads and they are all long and straight.

Unless you're riding to the beach to ogle girls, there's not much in the way of good riding roads
down there.

That is more Harry's style but if I am going to the beach, I take my
boat.
We prefer deserted beaches to crowded beaches anyway, even if it is
full of girls.


I certainly wouldn't drive 30 seconds to oogle a bunch of women your age
or mine...

'oogle'? Did you mean 'google'?

Yo, John ...
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 13:43:46 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/27/18 1:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:25:55 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 03:43:16 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


10:21
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

- hide quoted text -
John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the�Stelvio� for that very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

I was pretty aggressive when I was riding but I decided I had pressed
my luck too far and bought a dresser down here. In spite of still
having white knuckle danger, it was boring knowing the biggest danger
was getting T boned by an old lady in a coupe deville.

——


Mamma blue-hair pulled right out in front of my brother on his 750 Honda. He laid it down and skidded right into her door and had both feet planted on his seat. Good he wasn’t pinned. He said she never looked to the left even once. Of course she was truthful when she said she didn’t see him...

I rode around DC for years and never worried that much about it but
one trip downtown here and I was losing the urge to ride.
The other problem is I am not sure where I would want to ride to here.
We just don't have that many roads and they are all long and straight.

Unless you're riding to the beach to ogle girls, there's not much in the way of good riding roads
down there.

That is more Harry's style but if I am going to the beach, I take my
boat.
We prefer deserted beaches to crowded beaches anyway, even if it is
full of girls.


I certainly wouldn't drive 30 seconds to oogle a bunch of women your age
or mine...

I am not much of an oogler, no matter how old they are. I either meet
people or I pay them little mind. I do get to hang out with lots of
young women at the DEP. That is a ticket they need to punch to move up
in the environmental community and that seems to attract more women
than men. It is a working relationship tho, not a dating or oogling
opportunity. They are also not "show dogs". They trend to be educated
bright young women focused on doing a good job, gaining experience and
moving up.

Yo, John ...
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 15:07:25 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 13:08:02 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:25:55 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 03:43:16 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


10:21
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

- hide quoted text -
John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the�Stelvio� for that very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

I was pretty aggressive when I was riding but I decided I had pressed
my luck too far and bought a dresser down here. In spite of still
having white knuckle danger, it was boring knowing the biggest danger
was getting T boned by an old lady in a coupe deville.

——


Mamma blue-hair pulled right out in front of my brother on his 750 Honda. He laid it down and skidded right into her door and had both feet planted on his seat. Good he wasn’t pinned. He said she never looked to the left even once. Of course she was truthful when she said she didn’t see him...

I rode around DC for years and never worried that much about it but
one trip downtown here and I was losing the urge to ride.
The other problem is I am not sure where I would want to ride to here.
We just don't have that many roads and they are all long and straight.

Unless you're riding to the beach to ogle girls, there's not much in the way of good riding roads
down there.

That is more Harry's style but if I am going to the beach, I take my
boat.
We prefer deserted beaches to crowded beaches anyway, even if it is
full of girls.

Well, after all, the subject was riding. I'd stay away from any salt water on my motorcycle simply
to prevent corrosion.

I guess you won't be riding down the beach at Daytona in Bike Week.

Yo, John ...
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 16:43:03 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 15:07:25 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 13:08:02 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:25:55 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 03:43:16 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


10:21
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

- hide quoted text -
John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the”Stelvio” for that very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

I was pretty aggressive when I was riding but I decided I had pressed
my luck too far and bought a dresser down here. In spite of still
having white knuckle danger, it was boring knowing the biggest danger
was getting T boned by an old lady in a coupe deville.

——


Mamma blue-hair pulled right out in front of my brother on his 750 Honda. He laid it down and skidded right into her door and had both feet planted on his seat. Good he wasn’t pinned. He said she never looked to the left even once. Of course she was truthful when she said she didn’t see him...

I rode around DC for years and never worried that much about it but
one trip downtown here and I was losing the urge to ride.
The other problem is I am not sure where I would want to ride to here.
We just don't have that many roads and they are all long and straight.

Unless you're riding to the beach to ogle girls, there's not much in the way of good riding roads
down there.

That is more Harry's style but if I am going to the beach, I take my
boat.
We prefer deserted beaches to crowded beaches anyway, even if it is
full of girls.

Well, after all, the subject was riding. I'd stay away from any salt water on my motorcycle simply
to prevent corrosion.

I guess you won't be riding down the beach at Daytona in Bike Week.

If I rode to Daytona, I'd stay away from the beach. I wouldn't mind walking down the main drag
looking at the bikes though, and watching some of the races.

Yo, John ...
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/27/18 1:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:25:55 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 03:43:16 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


10:21
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

- hide quoted text -
John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html


....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the�Stelvio� for that
very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or
the bottom...

I was pretty aggressive when I was riding but I decided I had pressed
my luck too far and bought a dresser down here. In spite of still
having white knuckle danger, it was boring knowing the biggest danger
was getting T boned by an old lady in a coupe deville.

——


Mamma blue-hair pulled right out in front of my brother on his 750
Honda. He laid it down and skidded right into her door and had
both feet planted on his seat. Good he wasn’t pinned. He said she
never looked to the left even once. Of course she was truthful
when she said she didn’t see him...

I rode around DC for years and never worried that much about it but
one trip downtown here and I was losing the urge to ride.
The other problem is I am not sure where I would want to ride to here.
We just don't have that many roads and they are all long and straight.

Unless you're riding to the beach to ogle girls, there's not much in
the way of good riding roads
down there.

That is more Harry's style but if I am going to the beach, I take my
boat.
We prefer deserted beaches to crowded beaches anyway, even if it is
full of girls.


I certainly wouldn't drive 30 seconds to oogle a bunch of women your
age or mine...

You have your computer in your special place for that, eh?

Yo, John ...
 

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 16:59:58 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 16:43:03 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 15:07:25 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 13:08:02 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:25:55 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 03:43:16 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


10:21
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

- hide quoted text -
John H
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:46:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

- show quoted text -
I guess a link would be nice:

http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...vio-italy.html

....

I think Guzzi names that one sport tourer the�Stelvio� for that very reason. Looks like a fun, though tedious ride to the top or the bottom...

I was pretty aggressive when I was riding but I decided I had pressed
my luck too far and bought a dresser down here. In spite of still
having white knuckle danger, it was boring knowing the biggest danger
was getting T boned by an old lady in a coupe deville.

——


Mamma blue-hair pulled right out in front of my brother on his 750 Honda. He laid it down and skidded right into her door and had both feet planted on his seat. Good he wasn’t pinned. He said she never looked to the left even once. Of course she was truthful when she said she didn’t see him...

I rode around DC for years and never worried that much about it but
one trip downtown here and I was losing the urge to ride.
The other problem is I am not sure where I would want to ride to here.
We just don't have that many roads and they are all long and straight.

Unless you're riding to the beach to ogle girls, there's not much in the way of good riding roads
down there.

That is more Harry's style but if I am going to the beach, I take my
boat.
We prefer deserted beaches to crowded beaches anyway, even if it is
full of girls.

Well, after all, the subject was riding. I'd stay away from any salt water on my motorcycle simply
to prevent corrosion.

I guess you won't be riding down the beach at Daytona in Bike Week.

If I rode to Daytona, I'd stay away from the beach. I wouldn't mind walking down the main drag
looking at the bikes though, and watching some of the races.

The main drag (A1A), pretty much is the beach. You are about 100 yards
from the water, behind a row of shops and such. For the purposes of
avoiding salt air, you might as well drive on the sand.
Just hose your scoot down before you leave and you will be fine. If it
was summer I would say, just ride around in the afternoon and let the
rain do it.