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On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:25:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/4/2018 11:27 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: No power for the last 2 and a half days. This area on the south shore of MA* got hit hard with "Riley".* Every where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses,* power poles snapped in half, transformers scattered.* Major damage in some areas. Just got power back an hour ago.* Survived with my little generator and a space heater in the bedroom.* Didn't bother tying it into the furnace this time.* House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and toasty. I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are right. Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful than I remember from past years. Anyway, it's finally over.* Gotta get ready for the next one late next week.* Hopefully it won't be as bad. Youse guys need a road trip. Check out the flooding in Quincy: https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4 Nessie found a new home. Jokester on Facebook.* There's one of those huge, emergency alert poles with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the nuke plant in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us ... or it was.* It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess all over the road.* Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which isn't unusual in hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely hit with winds that strong they can do a lot of damage.* Nature's way of clearing of old growth and structures I guess. Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles.* Feel bad for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.: https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old. Wouldn't surprise me. The ones on the Duxbury house are 19 years old but are 30 year shingles. So much for that. Well, the shingles might still be good...if he can find them. |
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 11:27:49 -0500, Justan Ohlphart
wrote: I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old. That would not surprise me. You are talking about "windstorm" insurance tho, not regular homeowners. I know they have pretty extensive inspections before they issue the policy and your rate depends on what they find. There is remediation you can do that will lower the rate considerably like tougher truss strapping etc. The strange thing is smart builders have been strapping trusses into the tie beam for 50 years. My house was built in 1963 and I have a poured bond beam with steel in it and truss straps. They are actually thicker metal than the current code (1.5" x 1/8" thick). I don't buy wind storm. |
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 12:36:20 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:25:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/4/2018 11:27 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: No power for the last 2 and a half days. This area on the south shore of MAÂ* got hit hard with "Riley".Â* Every where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses,Â* power poles snapped in half, transformers scattered.Â* Major damage in some areas. Just got power back an hour ago.Â* Survived with my little generator and a space heater in the bedroom.Â* Didn't bother tying it into the furnace this time.Â* House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and toasty. I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are right. Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful than I remember from past years. Anyway, it's finally over.Â* Gotta get ready for the next one late next week.Â* Hopefully it won't be as bad. Youse guys need a road trip. Check out the flooding in Quincy: https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4 Nessie found a new home. Jokester on Facebook.Â* There's one of those huge, emergency alert poles with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the nuke plant in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us ... or it was.Â* It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess all over the road.Â* Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which isn't unusual in hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely hit with winds that strong they can do a lot of damage.Â* Nature's way of clearing of old growth and structures I guess. Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles.Â* Feel bad for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.: https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old. Wouldn't surprise me. The ones on the Duxbury house are 19 years old but are 30 year shingles. So much for that. Well, the shingles might still be good...if he can find them. Those shingle warranties are pretty much a joke anyway. It is pro rated, parts only. Basically if your 30 year shingles fail in 20 years and they can't demonstrate some kind of uncovered damage, installation error or other issue, you might get up to 33% of the wholesale price of the shingle off of buying new ones at full retail. Since the shingle itself is a small fraction of the cost of a new roof, I doubt anyone bothers. They do not make the claim easy to make and some only cover the original home owner. I have never talked to a roofer who thought the warranty was worth anything. It might be an indication of relative quality tho. |
Well, that was special ....
On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 13:59:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/4/2018 1:41 PM, wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 12:36:20 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:25:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/4/2018 11:27 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: No power for the last 2 and a half days. This area on the south shore of MAÂ* got hit hard with "Riley".Â* Every where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses,Â* power poles snapped in half, transformers scattered.Â* Major damage in some areas. Just got power back an hour ago.Â* Survived with my little generator and a space heater in the bedroom.Â* Didn't bother tying it into the furnace this time.Â* House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and toasty. I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are right. Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful than I remember from past years. Anyway, it's finally over.Â* Gotta get ready for the next one late next week.Â* Hopefully it won't be as bad. Youse guys need a road trip. Check out the flooding in Quincy: https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4 Nessie found a new home. Jokester on Facebook.Â* There's one of those huge, emergency alert poles with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the nuke plant in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us ... or it was.Â* It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess all over the road.Â* Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which isn't unusual in hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely hit with winds that strong they can do a lot of damage.Â* Nature's way of clearing of old growth and structures I guess. Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles.Â* Feel bad for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.: https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old. Wouldn't surprise me. The ones on the Duxbury house are 19 years old but are 30 year shingles. So much for that. Well, the shingles might still be good...if he can find them. Those shingle warranties are pretty much a joke anyway. It is pro rated, parts only. Basically if your 30 year shingles fail in 20 years and they can't demonstrate some kind of uncovered damage, installation error or other issue, you might get up to 33% of the wholesale price of the shingle off of buying new ones at full retail. Since the shingle itself is a small fraction of the cost of a new roof, I doubt anyone bothers. They do not make the claim easy to make and some only cover the original home owner. I have never talked to a roofer who thought the warranty was worth anything. It might be an indication of relative quality tho. The father of the buyer of our house has a construction company and he came out specifically to check the house over and the roof shingles specifically mainly because the roof area on that house is huge and the shingles were approaching 18 years old at the time. He checked them out and told me and the buyer that they were high quality, 30 year shingles that are hard to get and they had many more years left in them. I know when we built the cabana we wanted to match the shingles on the house and they had to special order them. Took quite a while to get. Anyway, I think the "year" rating is more about their thickness and wear resistance. At least that's what he told me. It appears the failure was not because they were worn out. Just like in Florida, once one or two lift due to high winds, it's like a zipper and a bunch are liking to go with them. One of the houses we had in Florida had concrete "shingles" and the other house had those clay looking shingles. Both houses lost a bunch in the hurricanes we experienced down there. Tile roofs are popular here and our "village idiots" actually have them in the "design" code for commercial businesses but I am not sure they are really any better in a storm. They are certainly more expensive to repair. The toughest roof is supposed to be metal. Typically they call them 50 year roofs. Unfortunately the yankees who took over our government down here are stuck on the "House of Zorro" look and everything has to be baby **** brown with tile roofs. The tried and true "cracker" designed building is not allowed anywhere they have control. I don't think they had a lot of hurricanes in 19th century southern California where Don Diego lived. |
Well, that was special ....
On Sunday, 4 March 2018 14:59:47 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/4/2018 1:41 PM, wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 12:36:20 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:25:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/4/2018 11:27 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: No power for the last 2 and a half days. This area on the south shore of MAÂ* got hit hard with "Riley".Â* Every where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses,Â* power poles snapped in half, transformers scattered.Â* Major damage in some areas. Just got power back an hour ago.Â* Survived with my little generator and a space heater in the bedroom.Â* Didn't bother tying it into the furnace this time.Â* House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and toasty. I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are right. Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful than I remember from past years. Anyway, it's finally over.Â* Gotta get ready for the next one late next week.Â* Hopefully it won't be as bad. Youse guys need a road trip. Check out the flooding in Quincy: https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4 Nessie found a new home. Jokester on Facebook.Â* There's one of those huge, emergency alert poles with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the nuke plant in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us ... or it was.Â* It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess all over the road.Â* Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which isn't unusual in hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely hit with winds that strong they can do a lot of damage.Â* Nature's way of clearing of old growth and structures I guess. Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles.Â* Feel bad for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.: https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old. Wouldn't surprise me. The ones on the Duxbury house are 19 years old but are 30 year shingles. So much for that. Well, the shingles might still be good...if he can find them. Those shingle warranties are pretty much a joke anyway. It is pro rated, parts only. Basically if your 30 year shingles fail in 20 years and they can't demonstrate some kind of uncovered damage, installation error or other issue, you might get up to 33% of the wholesale price of the shingle off of buying new ones at full retail. Since the shingle itself is a small fraction of the cost of a new roof, I doubt anyone bothers. They do not make the claim easy to make and some only cover the original home owner. I have never talked to a roofer who thought the warranty was worth anything. It might be an indication of relative quality tho. The father of the buyer of our house has a construction company and he came out specifically to check the house over and the roof shingles specifically mainly because the roof area on that house is huge and the shingles were approaching 18 years old at the time. He checked them out and told me and the buyer that they were high quality, 30 year shingles that are hard to get and they had many more years left in them. I know when we built the cabana we wanted to match the shingles on the house and they had to special order them. Took quite a while to get. Anyway, I think the "year" rating is more about their thickness and wear resistance. At least that's what he told me. It appears the failure was not because they were worn out. Just like in Florida, once one or two lift due to high winds, it's like a zipper and a bunch are liking to go with them. One of the houses we had in Florida had concrete "shingles" and the other house had those clay looking shingles. Both houses lost a bunch in the hurricanes we experienced down there. Wish I had taken my DSLR out and filmed the shingles lifting and flying off the roofs of two apartment buildings down the street. It was like a big 8' x 8' section would stand up and a thousand little black birds taking flight. My Highlander goes in next month for it's paint job and I'm hoping the adjusters will claw at the apt building owners insurance instead of my comprehensive...might get back the $100.00 deductible I expect to pay. |
Well, that was special ....
On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:40:12 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote: On Sunday, 4 March 2018 14:59:47 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/4/2018 1:41 PM, wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 12:36:20 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:25:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/4/2018 11:27 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: No power for the last 2 and a half days. This area on the south shore of MAÂ* got hit hard with "Riley".Â* Every where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses,Â* power poles snapped in half, transformers scattered.Â* Major damage in some areas. Just got power back an hour ago.Â* Survived with my little generator and a space heater in the bedroom.Â* Didn't bother tying it into the furnace this time.Â* House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and toasty. I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are right. Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful than I remember from past years. Anyway, it's finally over.Â* Gotta get ready for the next one late next week.Â* Hopefully it won't be as bad. Youse guys need a road trip. Check out the flooding in Quincy: https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4 Nessie found a new home. Jokester on Facebook.Â* There's one of those huge, emergency alert poles with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the nuke plant in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us ... or it was.Â* It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess all over the road.Â* Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which isn't unusual in hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely hit with winds that strong they can do a lot of damage.Â* Nature's way of clearing of old growth and structures I guess. Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles.Â* Feel bad for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.: https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old. Wouldn't surprise me. The ones on the Duxbury house are 19 years old but are 30 year shingles. So much for that. Well, the shingles might still be good...if he can find them. Those shingle warranties are pretty much a joke anyway. It is pro rated, parts only. Basically if your 30 year shingles fail in 20 years and they can't demonstrate some kind of uncovered damage, installation error or other issue, you might get up to 33% of the wholesale price of the shingle off of buying new ones at full retail. Since the shingle itself is a small fraction of the cost of a new roof, I doubt anyone bothers. They do not make the claim easy to make and some only cover the original home owner. I have never talked to a roofer who thought the warranty was worth anything. It might be an indication of relative quality tho. The father of the buyer of our house has a construction company and he came out specifically to check the house over and the roof shingles specifically mainly because the roof area on that house is huge and the shingles were approaching 18 years old at the time. He checked them out and told me and the buyer that they were high quality, 30 year shingles that are hard to get and they had many more years left in them. I know when we built the cabana we wanted to match the shingles on the house and they had to special order them. Took quite a while to get. Anyway, I think the "year" rating is more about their thickness and wear resistance. At least that's what he told me. It appears the failure was not because they were worn out. Just like in Florida, once one or two lift due to high winds, it's like a zipper and a bunch are liking to go with them. One of the houses we had in Florida had concrete "shingles" and the other house had those clay looking shingles. Both houses lost a bunch in the hurricanes we experienced down there. Wish I had taken my DSLR out and filmed the shingles lifting and flying off the roofs of two apartment buildings down the street. It was like a big 8' x 8' section would stand up and a thousand little black birds taking flight. One of the problem with shingles is they need to seal down and if it is too cold they will not stick down right. The glue really need to get hot pretty quickly after installing to activate the cement. If dust gets on that strip before they seal, they never will. |
Well, that was special ....
On 3/5/2018 1:12 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:40:12 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Sunday, 4 March 2018 14:59:47 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/4/2018 1:41 PM, wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 12:36:20 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:25:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/4/2018 11:27 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: No power for the last 2 and a half days. This area on the south shore of MAÂ* got hit hard with "Riley".Â* Every where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses,Â* power poles snapped in half, transformers scattered.Â* Major damage in some areas. Just got power back an hour ago.Â* Survived with my little generator and a space heater in the bedroom.Â* Didn't bother tying it into the furnace this time.Â* House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and toasty. I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are right. Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful than I remember from past years. Anyway, it's finally over.Â* Gotta get ready for the next one late next week.Â* Hopefully it won't be as bad. Youse guys need a road trip. Check out the flooding in Quincy: https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4 Nessie found a new home. Jokester on Facebook.Â* There's one of those huge, emergency alert poles with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the nuke plant in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us ... or it was.Â* It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess all over the road.Â* Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which isn't unusual in hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely hit with winds that strong they can do a lot of damage.Â* Nature's way of clearing of old growth and structures I guess. Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles.Â* Feel bad for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.: https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old. Wouldn't surprise me. The ones on the Duxbury house are 19 years old but are 30 year shingles. So much for that. Well, the shingles might still be good...if he can find them. Those shingle warranties are pretty much a joke anyway. It is pro rated, parts only. Basically if your 30 year shingles fail in 20 years and they can't demonstrate some kind of uncovered damage, installation error or other issue, you might get up to 33% of the wholesale price of the shingle off of buying new ones at full retail. Since the shingle itself is a small fraction of the cost of a new roof, I doubt anyone bothers. They do not make the claim easy to make and some only cover the original home owner. I have never talked to a roofer who thought the warranty was worth anything. It might be an indication of relative quality tho. The father of the buyer of our house has a construction company and he came out specifically to check the house over and the roof shingles specifically mainly because the roof area on that house is huge and the shingles were approaching 18 years old at the time. He checked them out and told me and the buyer that they were high quality, 30 year shingles that are hard to get and they had many more years left in them. I know when we built the cabana we wanted to match the shingles on the house and they had to special order them. Took quite a while to get. Anyway, I think the "year" rating is more about their thickness and wear resistance. At least that's what he told me. It appears the failure was not because they were worn out. Just like in Florida, once one or two lift due to high winds, it's like a zipper and a bunch are liking to go with them. One of the houses we had in Florida had concrete "shingles" and the other house had those clay looking shingles. Both houses lost a bunch in the hurricanes we experienced down there. Wish I had taken my DSLR out and filmed the shingles lifting and flying off the roofs of two apartment buildings down the street. It was like a big 8' x 8' section would stand up and a thousand little black birds taking flight. One of the problem with shingles is they need to seal down and if it is too cold they will not stick down right. The glue really need to get hot pretty quickly after installing to activate the cement. If dust gets on that strip before they seal, they never will. Seem to work pretty well as they are used almost exclusively in most of the country. Usually their failure mode is drying out as they age, buckling and leaking. Getting ripped off in 90 mph winds is an aberration. Metal roofs seem to be gaining in popularity around here but I think they look horrible. To me it's like putting vinyl siding on a otherwise nice looking house. Places like NH and Maine have used the metal roofs for years though due to the snow. |
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On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 05:14:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/5/2018 1:12 AM, wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:40:12 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Sunday, 4 March 2018 14:59:47 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/4/2018 1:41 PM, wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 12:36:20 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:25:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/4/2018 11:27 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: No power for the last 2 and a half days. This area on the south shore of MAÂ* got hit hard with "Riley".Â* Every where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses,Â* power poles snapped in half, transformers scattered.Â* Major damage in some areas. Just got power back an hour ago.Â* Survived with my little generator and a space heater in the bedroom.Â* Didn't bother tying it into the furnace this time.Â* House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and toasty. I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are right. Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful than I remember from past years. Anyway, it's finally over.Â* Gotta get ready for the next one late next week.Â* Hopefully it won't be as bad. Youse guys need a road trip. Check out the flooding in Quincy: https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4 Nessie found a new home. Jokester on Facebook.Â* There's one of those huge, emergency alert poles with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the nuke plant in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us ... or it was.Â* It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess all over the road.Â* Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which isn't unusual in hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely hit with winds that strong they can do a lot of damage.Â* Nature's way of clearing of old growth and structures I guess. Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles.Â* Feel bad for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.: https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old. Wouldn't surprise me. The ones on the Duxbury house are 19 years old but are 30 year shingles. So much for that. Well, the shingles might still be good...if he can find them. Those shingle warranties are pretty much a joke anyway. It is pro rated, parts only. Basically if your 30 year shingles fail in 20 years and they can't demonstrate some kind of uncovered damage, installation error or other issue, you might get up to 33% of the wholesale price of the shingle off of buying new ones at full retail. Since the shingle itself is a small fraction of the cost of a new roof, I doubt anyone bothers. They do not make the claim easy to make and some only cover the original home owner. I have never talked to a roofer who thought the warranty was worth anything. It might be an indication of relative quality tho. The father of the buyer of our house has a construction company and he came out specifically to check the house over and the roof shingles specifically mainly because the roof area on that house is huge and the shingles were approaching 18 years old at the time. He checked them out and told me and the buyer that they were high quality, 30 year shingles that are hard to get and they had many more years left in them. I know when we built the cabana we wanted to match the shingles on the house and they had to special order them. Took quite a while to get. Anyway, I think the "year" rating is more about their thickness and wear resistance. At least that's what he told me. It appears the failure was not because they were worn out. Just like in Florida, once one or two lift due to high winds, it's like a zipper and a bunch are liking to go with them. One of the houses we had in Florida had concrete "shingles" and the other house had those clay looking shingles. Both houses lost a bunch in the hurricanes we experienced down there. Wish I had taken my DSLR out and filmed the shingles lifting and flying off the roofs of two apartment buildings down the street. It was like a big 8' x 8' section would stand up and a thousand little black birds taking flight. One of the problem with shingles is they need to seal down and if it is too cold they will not stick down right. The glue really need to get hot pretty quickly after installing to activate the cement. If dust gets on that strip before they seal, they never will. Seem to work pretty well as they are used almost exclusively in most of the country. Usually their failure mode is drying out as they age, buckling and leaking. Getting ripped off in 90 mph winds is an aberration. If the cement on the tabs seals right, they are pretty hard to rip off but you almost need the Florida sun to get them that hot. I know when I had to cut in the new hip on the roof the old shingles had to be cut loose. Metal roofs seem to be gaining in popularity around here but I think they look horrible. To me it's like putting vinyl siding on a otherwise nice looking house. Places like NH and Maine have used the metal roofs for years though due to the snow. Folks are starting to realize metal is a 50 year roof around here where shingles are getting pretty dried out after 20. |
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On Monday, 5 March 2018 12:41:14 UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 05:14:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/5/2018 1:12 AM, wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:40:12 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Sunday, 4 March 2018 14:59:47 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/4/2018 1:41 PM, wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 12:36:20 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:25:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/4/2018 11:27 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: No power for the last 2 and a half days. This area on the south shore of MAÂ* got hit hard with "Riley".Â* Every where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses,Â* power poles snapped in half, transformers scattered.Â* Major damage in some areas. Just got power back an hour ago.Â* Survived with my little generator and a space heater in the bedroom.Â* Didn't bother tying it into the furnace this time.Â* House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and toasty. I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are right. Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful than I remember from past years. Anyway, it's finally over.Â* Gotta get ready for the next one late next week.Â* Hopefully it won't be as bad. Youse guys need a road trip. Check out the flooding in Quincy: https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4 Nessie found a new home. Jokester on Facebook.Â* There's one of those huge, emergency alert poles with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the nuke plant in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us ... or it was.Â* It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess all over the road.Â* Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which isn't unusual in hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely hit with winds that strong they can do a lot of damage.Â* Nature's way of clearing of old growth and structures I guess. Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles.Â* Feel bad for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.: https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old. Wouldn't surprise me. The ones on the Duxbury house are 19 years old but are 30 year shingles. So much for that. Well, the shingles might still be good...if he can find them. Those shingle warranties are pretty much a joke anyway. It is pro rated, parts only. Basically if your 30 year shingles fail in 20 years and they can't demonstrate some kind of uncovered damage, installation error or other issue, you might get up to 33% of the wholesale price of the shingle off of buying new ones at full retail. Since the shingle itself is a small fraction of the cost of a new roof, I doubt anyone bothers. They do not make the claim easy to make and some only cover the original home owner. I have never talked to a roofer who thought the warranty was worth anything. It might be an indication of relative quality tho. The father of the buyer of our house has a construction company and he came out specifically to check the house over and the roof shingles specifically mainly because the roof area on that house is huge and the shingles were approaching 18 years old at the time. He checked them out and told me and the buyer that they were high quality, 30 year shingles that are hard to get and they had many more years left in them. I know when we built the cabana we wanted to match the shingles on the house and they had to special order them. Took quite a while to get. Anyway, I think the "year" rating is more about their thickness and wear resistance. At least that's what he told me. It appears the failure was not because they were worn out. Just like in Florida, once one or two lift due to high winds, it's like a zipper and a bunch are liking to go with them. One of the houses we had in Florida had concrete "shingles" and the other house had those clay looking shingles. Both houses lost a bunch in the hurricanes we experienced down there. Wish I had taken my DSLR out and filmed the shingles lifting and flying off the roofs of two apartment buildings down the street. It was like a big 8' x 8' section would stand up and a thousand little black birds taking flight. One of the problem with shingles is they need to seal down and if it is too cold they will not stick down right. The glue really need to get hot pretty quickly after installing to activate the cement. If dust gets on that strip before they seal, they never will. Seem to work pretty well as they are used almost exclusively in most of the country. Usually their failure mode is drying out as they age, buckling and leaking. Getting ripped off in 90 mph winds is an aberration. If the cement on the tabs seals right, they are pretty hard to rip off but you almost need the Florida sun to get them that hot. I know when I had to cut in the new hip on the roof the old shingles had to be cut loose. Metal roofs seem to be gaining in popularity around here but I think they look horrible. To me it's like putting vinyl siding on a otherwise nice looking house. Places like NH and Maine have used the metal roofs for years though due to the snow. Folks are starting to realize metal is a 50 year roof around here where shingles are getting pretty dried out after 20. Brother-in-law was involved in installing metal roofs as a side line a couple years back. Around here they are about twice as expensive to install, although you'd think the labour part would be cheaper. |
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