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Bill[_12_] February 27th 18 04:25 AM

Amazon prime TV
 
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 8:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 8:42 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 5:53 PM, Bill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:52:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:26:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:00:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 7:48 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/25/2018 10:33 PM,
wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says
after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my
way through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about
anything that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show
about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline
season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is
pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.



I occasionally watch something from Amazon Prime's
inventory.* My large
HD TV is not "smart" (connected to the Internet) so I use
the Sony PS4
to stream stuff from Amazon.* Their prime account entitles
you to many
movies and archived shows as you mention for free.

I can also access Hulu, Netfix and other sources but I don't
watch
enough to bother with them.




Smart tvs are cheap nowadays. I paid 800 for a 60 inch smart
plasma tv at good old Walmart. A side benefit is that I can heat
the house with it.



Mine can become "smart" if I buy a Roku wireless streaming
stick that
plugs into the TV's USB port.* It's a 65" and I bought it
before having
Internet connectivity became built-in on most TVs.* Accessing
the 'net
via the PS4 is just as effective and it works fine.* I just
don't watch
TV enough to warrant buying another TV just for built-in Internet
connectivity.* Most of the time I just use a little 23" HD TV
that sits
on my desk beside my computer monitor.


Just hook an old PC to it. With a 2.4gz wireless mouse you end
up with
a TV that is a whole lot smarter than the ones sold as smart.
We have
both here. The PC connected wins every time in every category.
The best combo seems to be my "travel" laptop connected to some no
name TV. When the lap top turns off the TV goes to sleep and I
have it
set to hibernate when you close the lid. Open the lid, the pc
comes to
life and the TV comes on.
You can get to any streaming service that way along with being
able to
play music or look at your pictures using whatever PC app you
like.



I don't collect or save old PCs.* When they crap out or become so
obsolete they can't run current apps efficiently I buy a new
one.* I
"do" have an older Win 7 laptop that I no longer use regularly
but I
keep it as a backup or possible traveling computer.* Somewhere I
have an
old XP laptop as well but it is painfully slow compared to Win 7
and Win
10.* I wouldn't even bother with it.


Besides, the little Roku thingy is much smaller and easier to
mess with.



I still don't really understand how people who want to get rid of
services like Comcast cable TV and Internet and go to streaming
only are
going to have access to the Internet.

I think I posted the results of the tests I did that compared
download
speeds of AT&T's 4G WiFi service that I have in my truck and the
download speeds of the Comcast (cable) WiFi router in my house.
Comcast
was consistently 3 to 4 times faster, sometimes even more.* The AT&T
test (I did several for each)* often reported that although web
browsing
would be ok, videos may be slow, especially if more than one
device was
connected to the WiFi server.* The Comcast speed report consistently
said that it's speed would allow web browsing and HD video
downloads to
several devices at the same time.

For me, cutting the cord would be cutting the TV and telephone
cords. The
internet cord would stay
whole. The TV cord is over $100/month, and that's without a bunch of
movie channels. The telephone
cord is another $40/month.


My Comcast deal is 2 years and is about $135 a month.** TV, bunch of
channels, most I never watch, internet and home phone.** 3 TV’s.
Phone
went from ATT of $24 and a bunch of taxes to $10.* Extra TV’s add I
think
$5 each for $10.** One TV the X1 box.


That seems to be the going rate around here for all those services.

I pay $73 a month for expanded basic cable TV, a HD DVR box, two small
HD cable boxes and Internet service.* No phone service and no extra cost
channels.* Four TV's but one is set up like the following:

My little "office" is on the other side of a wall from the living room
where the 65" TV and the large HD/DVR cable box is located.* I have a
small, 23" HD TV on my desk beside my computer monitor. Rather than rent
another small HD cable box from Comcast,* I bought a HDMI switch box for
cheap bucks and ran a HDMI cable through the wall from the living room
to the office room.* When I want to watch the TV in the office, I just
switch the HDMI switch box to the "B" position and it sends the signal
from the cable box to the little TV in the office. If I want to watch
the big TV,* I just put the switch in the "A" position.

Then, I added a remote control thing to change the channels from the
office.* It has a LED that mounts near the sensor on the cable box and a
receiver in the office room that you point the cable box remote control
at.* It duplicates the IR signal from the "clicker" on the LED mounted
near the sensor on the cable box in the living room.** Works great.

It's funny that with three smaller HD TVs, I rarely watch the big one
anymore.* It's great for football games and baseball but I usually end
up watching them on the small ones also.








The big TV, 40” :).* Is in the family room with the X1 box.** Is a
smart Tv
as the old one died last year.** But the other two are in the breakfast
area, so wife can watch while in kitchen and the other is in the office
/sewing room.** I could put a switch in, but wife is technologically
challenged.



So am I now-a-days.* I just bought a WiFi outdoor security camera.* I
didn't want "Ring" or "Nest" or "Google Home" versions that you have to
set up an account for.* Just a simple WiFi camera that will connect to
the home network.* It's made by a company called MyDlink.

Anyway, first thing I found out is that Firefox no longer supports it
and I use Firefox exclusively and not the Microsoft Edge browser.* So, I
decided to access it via my phone.* I downloaded the Android "MYDLINK
app. as instructed, it found and connected to my WiFI router but it
doesn't work.* Keep getting error messages saying the video was "lost".
Don't know why.

Reloaded everything again ... same thing.* Gave up for now.* I'll try
again tomorrow.



A shot in the dark...many routers offer two different bands on different
frequencies. Perhaps your wi-fi camera wants one band and not the other.
The camera or its software might connect, but it won't work.


I am looking at the Lorex system.


Bill[_12_] February 27th 18 04:25 AM

Amazon prime TV
 
wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:01:03 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/26/18 4:55 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:55:36 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:46:05 -0500,
wrote:
.

What could be easier than a mouse and a real keyboard for entering
things you want to search for? I hate trying to poke out text on a TV
remote.

With the Amazon thingy, you just talk to it. Haven't you been watching
the Olympics at all? The cute
little thing's name is 'Alexa'.

We have one, I won't have it on in the house. I don't need a spy
listening to everything I say and broadcasting it on the internet.


Hell, we can hear and see everything you do through your microwave. )


Maybe one of those new fangled ones but not mine.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/microwave.jpg


That is even worse. No security updates.


[email protected] February 27th 18 05:20 AM

Amazon prime TV
 
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:39:07 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/26/18 8:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:




So am I now-a-days.* I just bought a WiFi outdoor security camera.* I
didn't want "Ring" or "Nest" or "Google Home" versions that you have to
set up an account for.* Just a simple WiFi camera that will connect to
the home network.* It's made by a company called MyDlink.

Anyway, first thing I found out is that Firefox no longer supports it
and I use Firefox exclusively and not the Microsoft Edge browser.* So, I
decided to access it via my phone.* I downloaded the Android "MYDLINK
app. as instructed, it found and connected to my WiFI router but it
doesn't work.* Keep getting error messages saying the video was "lost".
Don't know why.

Reloaded everything again ... same thing.* Gave up for now.* I'll try
again tomorrow.



A shot in the dark...many routers offer two different bands on different
frequencies. Perhaps your wi-fi camera wants one band and not the other.
The camera or its software might connect, but it won't work.


Did you get the chance to enter the WiFi password and did that work?

Mr. Luddite[_4_] February 27th 18 09:43 AM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/27/2018 12:20 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:39:07 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/26/18 8:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:




So am I now-a-days.* I just bought a WiFi outdoor security camera.* I
didn't want "Ring" or "Nest" or "Google Home" versions that you have to
set up an account for.* Just a simple WiFi camera that will connect to
the home network.* It's made by a company called MyDlink.

Anyway, first thing I found out is that Firefox no longer supports it
and I use Firefox exclusively and not the Microsoft Edge browser.* So, I
decided to access it via my phone.* I downloaded the Android "MYDLINK
app. as instructed, it found and connected to my WiFI router but it
doesn't work.* Keep getting error messages saying the video was "lost".
Don't know why.

Reloaded everything again ... same thing.* Gave up for now.* I'll try
again tomorrow.



A shot in the dark...many routers offer two different bands on different
frequencies. Perhaps your wi-fi camera wants one band and not the other.
The camera or its software might connect, but it won't work.


Did you get the chance to enter the WiFi password and did that work?



I think automatically connects similar to other devices like my wireless
printer. You get to a point in the setup and it tells you to depress
the button on the router and then a button on the back of the camera.
I did that and the blinking green light on the camera went to steady,
meaning it is connected.

There's a manual method as well. I may try that later today. Also, I
think Harry may be on to something. There were two "channel" options in
the setup., A and B. Didn't know which one to pick, so I tried A.
Maybe it wants "B".

Mr. Luddite[_4_] February 27th 18 09:47 AM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/26/2018 9:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/26/18 8:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


So am I now-a-days.* I just bought a WiFi outdoor security camera.* I
didn't want "Ring" or "Nest" or "Google Home" versions that you have
to set up an account for.* Just a simple WiFi camera that will connect
to the home network.* It's made by a company called MyDlink.

Anyway, first thing I found out is that Firefox no longer supports it
and I use Firefox exclusively and not the Microsoft Edge browser.* So,
I decided to access it via my phone.* I downloaded the Android
"MYDLINK app. as instructed, it found and connected to my WiFI router
but it doesn't work.* Keep getting error messages saying the video was
"lost".
Don't know why.

Reloaded everything again ... same thing.* Gave up for now.* I'll try
again tomorrow.



A shot in the dark...many routers offer two different bands on different
frequencies. Perhaps your wi-fi camera wants one band and not the other.
The camera or its software might connect, but it won't work.



You may be on to something. At one point in the setup the instructions
ask you to pick "A" or "B" as a channel, but didn't offer any info as to
which one to pick. I picked "A". The camera connects to the network ok
but like I said, it keeps reporting "lost image", try again.

Might go get another camera with a 100 ft video output cable and be done
with it. :-)



Mr. Luddite[_4_] February 27th 18 09:54 AM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/26/2018 10:06 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 20:56:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


So am I now-a-days. I just bought a WiFi outdoor security camera. I
didn't want "Ring" or "Nest" or "Google Home" versions that you have to
set up an account for. Just a simple WiFi camera that will connect to
the home network. It's made by a company called MyDlink.

Anyway, first thing I found out is that Firefox no longer supports it
and I use Firefox exclusively and not the Microsoft Edge browser. So, I
decided to access it via my phone. I downloaded the Android "MYDLINK
app. as instructed, it found and connected to my WiFI router but it
doesn't work. Keep getting error messages saying the video was "lost".
Don't know why.

Reloaded everything again ... same thing. Gave up for now. I'll try
again tomorrow.


My cameras go to a 4 channel, (expandable to 8) security type DVR. I
have a terrabyte of video I have never seen ;-)
I also have a box of X10 stuff I got from Ebay that I have never
fooled with but there are a few cameras in there too. I did play with
one on the bench to see how well it worked but I never set it up.
This thing will RF out about 100' so I was thinking if the car hoppers
came back, I would hide one in the car somewhere for a good close up
of the weasel.
I also have a PC based DVR in one of my WYSE thin clients that I have
never fooled with. I can get to either of the DVRs with anything on
the network using a small application. Nothing has ever happened here
worth looking at the video. I can get some great pictures of Deuce in
the pool tho I guess.



I had a similar, four camera security system and DVR recorder when I had
the guitar shop. Somehow I figured out how to set up a static IP as
well so I could monitor all four cameras or just one from my computer at
home. The little camera I just bought has a micro SD card that will
continuously record but first I have to get the stupid thing working
correctly.



justan February 27th 18 12:43 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
Wrote in message:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:30:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


That seems to be the going rate around here for all those services.

I pay $73 a month for expanded basic cable TV, a HD DVR box, two small
HD cable boxes and Internet service. No phone service and no extra cost
channels. Four TV's but one is set up like the following:

My little "office" is on the other side of a wall from the living room
where the 65" TV and the large HD/DVR cable box is located. I have a
small, 23" HD TV on my desk beside my computer monitor. Rather than rent
another small HD cable box from Comcast, I bought a HDMI switch box for
cheap bucks and ran a HDMI cable through the wall from the living room
to the office room. When I want to watch the TV in the office, I just
switch the HDMI switch box to the "B" position and it sends the signal
from the cable box to the little TV in the office. If I want to watch
the big TV, I just put the switch in the "A" position.

Then, I added a remote control thing to change the channels from the
office. It has a LED that mounts near the sensor on the cable box and a
receiver in the office room that you point the cable box remote control
at. It duplicates the IR signal from the "clicker" on the LED mounted
near the sensor on the cable box in the living room. Works great.

It's funny that with three smaller HD TVs, I rarely watch the big one
anymore. It's great for football games and baseball but I usually end
up watching them on the small ones also.

Dish receivers have an RF out that you can distribute around the house
on coax for the "B" tuner and control it with RF remotes. The "A"
tuner is also on that coax on a different channel. I also have a Tivo
that goes out on a HDMI splitter to the bedroom and the living room.
I never really watch TV out in the pool area but I have 2 PC connected
TVs out there that pretty much just play music.
I put a monitor in our Bud Light sign and it runs from the lap top,
pretty much just showing a slide show of whatever we choose.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/New%20tiki%20screen.jpg
I can stream to that too if I want.


Too bad you never met Larry from Charleston. You guys would have
had a lot of fun discussing "stuff".
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justan February 27th 18 01:09 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
Wrote in message:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:39:07 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/26/18 8:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:




So am I now-a-days. I just bought a WiFi outdoor security camera. I
didn't want "Ring" or "Nest" or "Google Home" versions that you have to
set up an account for. Just a simple WiFi camera that will connect to
the home network. It's made by a company called MyDlink.

Anyway, first thing I found out is that Firefox no longer supports it
and I use Firefox exclusively and not the Microsoft Edge browser. So, I
decided to access it via my phone. I downloaded the Android "MYDLINK
app. as instructed, it found and connected to my WiFI router but it
doesn't work. Keep getting error messages saying the video was "lost".
Don't know why.

Reloaded everything again ... same thing. Gave up for now. I'll try
again tomorrow.



A shot in the dark...many routers offer two different bands on different
frequencies. Perhaps your wi-fi camera wants one band and not the other.
The camera or its software might connect, but it won't work.


Did you get the chance to enter the WiFi password and did that work?


Those camers are tricky to set up. You need to give the camera a
user name and password. Also you need to change the lan port and
the wan port. You can do all that with an ethernet connection on
your PC. And then you need to set up wireless. Connecting with
wps is easiest. Then you need an app to view the cameras. Those
are hit or miss too. Try a few different ones to see what works.
When you get totally frustrated you might give the mfr. remote
access and let him set it up for you, if you think you can trust
them. My experience is that android apps are easier to set up
than PC apps. All that said, Luddite is a pretty smart fella. He
just needs a little time to figure out the details.
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justan February 27th 18 01:17 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/26/2018 9:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/26/18 8:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


So am I now-a-days. I just bought a WiFi outdoor security camera. I
didn't want "Ring" or "Nest" or "Google Home" versions that you have
to set up an account for. Just a simple WiFi camera that will connect
to the home network. It's made by a company called MyDlink.

Anyway, first thing I found out is that Firefox no longer supports it
and I use Firefox exclusively and not the Microsoft Edge browser. So,
I decided to access it via my phone. I downloaded the Android
"MYDLINK app. as instructed, it found and connected to my WiFI router
but it doesn't work. Keep getting error messages saying the video was
"lost".
Don't know why.

Reloaded everything again ... same thing. Gave up for now. I'll try
again tomorrow.



A shot in the dark...many routers offer two different bands on different
frequencies. Perhaps your wi-fi camera wants one band and not the other.
The camera or its software might connect, but it won't work.



You may be on to something. At one point in the setup the instructions
ask you to pick "A" or "B" as a channel, but didn't offer any info as to
which one to pick. I picked "A". The camera connects to the network ok
but like I said, it keeps reporting "lost image", try again.

Might go get another camera with a 100 ft video output cable and be done
with it. :-)



Channel A or B might be referring to speed. I don't know. Or it
could be referring to lan or wan.
Most routers can work on 2.4 gig or 5 gig. Some cameras might be
restricted to 2.4 gig.
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amdx[_3_] February 27th 18 01:45 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/25/2018 9:33 PM, wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my way through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about anything that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.


I posted this yesterday, didn't see it show up.


The Firestick has a great interface, very easy to use.

I have added Terrarium TV on my Firestick.
This has all the TV shows you would want.

https://troypoint.com/install-terrar...fire-tv-stick/

I have also added Mobdro
Mobdro has many, many networks and TV stations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWip-rgCjmc


Kodi can also be installed on your Firestick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQogjnEqLhs


I have not put Kodi on mine but I have a buddy that uses it.
I did use Kodi when I used a Raspberry pi for streaming.

I have not used any of the Prime videos, as there is so much available
on the apps I posted.

Also, a program called Real Debrid,
https://real-debrid.com/
It's not needed and has a small cost but it picks the sources that will
give you the best sources to stream from automatically, without you
picking from a list. Also picks the 1040p and 4k streams.

Mikek



[email protected] February 27th 18 03:51 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 07:43:37 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:30:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


That seems to be the going rate around here for all those services.

I pay $73 a month for expanded basic cable TV, a HD DVR box, two small
HD cable boxes and Internet service. No phone service and no extra cost
channels. Four TV's but one is set up like the following:

My little "office" is on the other side of a wall from the living room
where the 65" TV and the large HD/DVR cable box is located. I have a
small, 23" HD TV on my desk beside my computer monitor. Rather than rent
another small HD cable box from Comcast, I bought a HDMI switch box for
cheap bucks and ran a HDMI cable through the wall from the living room
to the office room. When I want to watch the TV in the office, I just
switch the HDMI switch box to the "B" position and it sends the signal
from the cable box to the little TV in the office. If I want to watch
the big TV, I just put the switch in the "A" position.

Then, I added a remote control thing to change the channels from the
office. It has a LED that mounts near the sensor on the cable box and a
receiver in the office room that you point the cable box remote control
at. It duplicates the IR signal from the "clicker" on the LED mounted
near the sensor on the cable box in the living room. Works great.

It's funny that with three smaller HD TVs, I rarely watch the big one
anymore. It's great for football games and baseball but I usually end
up watching them on the small ones also.

Dish receivers have an RF out that you can distribute around the house
on coax for the "B" tuner and control it with RF remotes. The "A"
tuner is also on that coax on a different channel. I also have a Tivo
that goes out on a HDMI splitter to the bedroom and the living room.
I never really watch TV out in the pool area but I have 2 PC connected
TVs out there that pretty much just play music.
I put a monitor in our Bud Light sign and it runs from the lap top,
pretty much just showing a slide show of whatever we choose.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/New%20tiki%20screen.jpg
I can stream to that too if I want.


Too bad you never met Larry from Charleston. You guys would have
had a lot of fun discussing "stuff".


===

Larry, another guy that 'Airree ran off with his insults, just because
he wanted to talk about boats once in a while.

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Keyser Soze February 27th 18 03:55 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/27/18 10:51 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 07:43:37 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:30:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


That seems to be the going rate around here for all those services.

I pay $73 a month for expanded basic cable TV, a HD DVR box, two small
HD cable boxes and Internet service. No phone service and no extra cost
channels. Four TV's but one is set up like the following:

My little "office" is on the other side of a wall from the living room
where the 65" TV and the large HD/DVR cable box is located. I have a
small, 23" HD TV on my desk beside my computer monitor. Rather than rent
another small HD cable box from Comcast, I bought a HDMI switch box for
cheap bucks and ran a HDMI cable through the wall from the living room
to the office room. When I want to watch the TV in the office, I just
switch the HDMI switch box to the "B" position and it sends the signal
from the cable box to the little TV in the office. If I want to watch
the big TV, I just put the switch in the "A" position.

Then, I added a remote control thing to change the channels from the
office. It has a LED that mounts near the sensor on the cable box and a
receiver in the office room that you point the cable box remote control
at. It duplicates the IR signal from the "clicker" on the LED mounted
near the sensor on the cable box in the living room. Works great.

It's funny that with three smaller HD TVs, I rarely watch the big one
anymore. It's great for football games and baseball but I usually end
up watching them on the small ones also.

Dish receivers have an RF out that you can distribute around the house
on coax for the "B" tuner and control it with RF remotes. The "A"
tuner is also on that coax on a different channel. I also have a Tivo
that goes out on a HDMI splitter to the bedroom and the living room.
I never really watch TV out in the pool area but I have 2 PC connected
TVs out there that pretty much just play music.
I put a monitor in our Bud Light sign and it runs from the lap top,
pretty much just showing a slide show of whatever we choose.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/New%20tiki%20screen.jpg
I can stream to that too if I want.


Too bad you never met Larry from Charleston. You guys would have
had a lot of fun discussing "stuff".


===

Larry, another guy that 'Airree ran off with his insults, just because
he wanted to talk about boats once in a while.

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Bull****.

[email protected] February 27th 18 04:10 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:55:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/27/18 10:51 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 07:43:37 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:30:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


That seems to be the going rate around here for all those services.

I pay $73 a month for expanded basic cable TV, a HD DVR box, two small
HD cable boxes and Internet service. No phone service and no extra cost
channels. Four TV's but one is set up like the following:

My little "office" is on the other side of a wall from the living room
where the 65" TV and the large HD/DVR cable box is located. I have a
small, 23" HD TV on my desk beside my computer monitor. Rather than rent
another small HD cable box from Comcast, I bought a HDMI switch box for
cheap bucks and ran a HDMI cable through the wall from the living room
to the office room. When I want to watch the TV in the office, I just
switch the HDMI switch box to the "B" position and it sends the signal
from the cable box to the little TV in the office. If I want to watch
the big TV, I just put the switch in the "A" position.

Then, I added a remote control thing to change the channels from the
office. It has a LED that mounts near the sensor on the cable box and a
receiver in the office room that you point the cable box remote control
at. It duplicates the IR signal from the "clicker" on the LED mounted
near the sensor on the cable box in the living room. Works great.

It's funny that with three smaller HD TVs, I rarely watch the big one
anymore. It's great for football games and baseball but I usually end
up watching them on the small ones also.

Dish receivers have an RF out that you can distribute around the house
on coax for the "B" tuner and control it with RF remotes. The "A"
tuner is also on that coax on a different channel. I also have a Tivo
that goes out on a HDMI splitter to the bedroom and the living room.
I never really watch TV out in the pool area but I have 2 PC connected
TVs out there that pretty much just play music.
I put a monitor in our Bud Light sign and it runs from the lap top,
pretty much just showing a slide show of whatever we choose.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/New%20tiki%20screen.jpg
I can stream to that too if I want.


Too bad you never met Larry from Charleston. You guys would have
had a lot of fun discussing "stuff".


===

Larry, another guy that 'Airree ran off with his insults, just because
he wanted to talk about boats once in a while.



Bull****.


===

Not at all.

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Keyser Soze February 27th 18 04:12 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/27/18 11:10 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:55:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/27/18 10:51 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 07:43:37 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:30:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


That seems to be the going rate around here for all those services.

I pay $73 a month for expanded basic cable TV, a HD DVR box, two small
HD cable boxes and Internet service. No phone service and no extra cost
channels. Four TV's but one is set up like the following:

My little "office" is on the other side of a wall from the living room
where the 65" TV and the large HD/DVR cable box is located. I have a
small, 23" HD TV on my desk beside my computer monitor. Rather than rent
another small HD cable box from Comcast, I bought a HDMI switch box for
cheap bucks and ran a HDMI cable through the wall from the living room
to the office room. When I want to watch the TV in the office, I just
switch the HDMI switch box to the "B" position and it sends the signal
from the cable box to the little TV in the office. If I want to watch
the big TV, I just put the switch in the "A" position.

Then, I added a remote control thing to change the channels from the
office. It has a LED that mounts near the sensor on the cable box and a
receiver in the office room that you point the cable box remote control
at. It duplicates the IR signal from the "clicker" on the LED mounted
near the sensor on the cable box in the living room. Works great.

It's funny that with three smaller HD TVs, I rarely watch the big one
anymore. It's great for football games and baseball but I usually end
up watching them on the small ones also.

Dish receivers have an RF out that you can distribute around the house
on coax for the "B" tuner and control it with RF remotes. The "A"
tuner is also on that coax on a different channel. I also have a Tivo
that goes out on a HDMI splitter to the bedroom and the living room.
I never really watch TV out in the pool area but I have 2 PC connected
TVs out there that pretty much just play music.
I put a monitor in our Bud Light sign and it runs from the lap top,
pretty much just showing a slide show of whatever we choose.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/New%20tiki%20screen.jpg
I can stream to that too if I want.


Too bad you never met Larry from Charleston. You guys would have
had a lot of fun discussing "stuff".

===

Larry, another guy that 'Airree ran off with his insults, just because
he wanted to talk about boats once in a while.



Bull****.


===

Not at all.

---
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Yup. BTW, I see that Larry no longer posts in the rec.boats.cruising
newsgroup, the one you **** in. You've pretty much killed that
newsgroup, eh, W'hine?

I liked Larry. I thought he was a bit over the deep end, but he was a
kind and often helpful soul, not a turd like you and your buddies here.

[email protected] February 27th 18 04:23 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:12:35 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/27/18 11:10 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:55:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/27/18 10:51 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 07:43:37 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:30:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


That seems to be the going rate around here for all those services.

I pay $73 a month for expanded basic cable TV, a HD DVR box, two small
HD cable boxes and Internet service. No phone service and no extra cost
channels. Four TV's but one is set up like the following:

My little "office" is on the other side of a wall from the living room
where the 65" TV and the large HD/DVR cable box is located. I have a
small, 23" HD TV on my desk beside my computer monitor. Rather than rent
another small HD cable box from Comcast, I bought a HDMI switch box for
cheap bucks and ran a HDMI cable through the wall from the living room
to the office room. When I want to watch the TV in the office, I just
switch the HDMI switch box to the "B" position and it sends the signal
from the cable box to the little TV in the office. If I want to watch
the big TV, I just put the switch in the "A" position.

Then, I added a remote control thing to change the channels from the
office. It has a LED that mounts near the sensor on the cable box and a
receiver in the office room that you point the cable box remote control
at. It duplicates the IR signal from the "clicker" on the LED mounted
near the sensor on the cable box in the living room. Works great.

It's funny that with three smaller HD TVs, I rarely watch the big one
anymore. It's great for football games and baseball but I usually end
up watching them on the small ones also.

Dish receivers have an RF out that you can distribute around the house
on coax for the "B" tuner and control it with RF remotes. The "A"
tuner is also on that coax on a different channel. I also have a Tivo
that goes out on a HDMI splitter to the bedroom and the living room.
I never really watch TV out in the pool area but I have 2 PC connected
TVs out there that pretty much just play music.
I put a monitor in our Bud Light sign and it runs from the lap top,
pretty much just showing a slide show of whatever we choose.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/New%20tiki%20screen.jpg
I can stream to that too if I want.


Too bad you never met Larry from Charleston. You guys would have
had a lot of fun discussing "stuff".

===

Larry, another guy that 'Airree ran off with his insults, just because
he wanted to talk about boats once in a while.



Bull****.


===

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Yup. BTW, I see that Larry no longer posts in the rec.boats.cruising
newsgroup, the one you **** in. You've pretty much killed that
newsgroup, eh, W'hine?

I liked Larry. I thought he was a bit over the deep end, but he was a
kind and often helpful soul, not a turd like you and your buddies here.


===

What a remarkable fantasy world you live in.

John H.[_5_] February 27th 18 04:58 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 07:45:37 -0600, amdx wrote:

On 2/25/2018 9:33 PM, wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my way through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about anything that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.


I posted this yesterday, didn't see it show up.


The Firestick has a great interface, very easy to use.

I have added Terrarium TV on my Firestick.
This has all the TV shows you would want.

https://troypoint.com/install-terrar...fire-tv-stick/

I have also added Mobdro
Mobdro has many, many networks and TV stations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWip-rgCjmc


Kodi can also be installed on your Firestick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQogjnEqLhs


I have not put Kodi on mine but I have a buddy that uses it.
I did use Kodi when I used a Raspberry pi for streaming.

I have not used any of the Prime videos, as there is so much available
on the apps I posted.

Also, a program called Real Debrid,
https://real-debrid.com/
It's not needed and has a small cost but it picks the sources that will
give you the best sources to stream from automatically, without you
picking from a list. Also picks the 1040p and 4k streams.

Mikek


It showed up and I thanked you for it.

Thanks again.

amdx[_3_] February 27th 18 05:36 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/26/2018 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 11:28 AM, amdx wrote:
On 2/25/2018 9:33 PM, wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my way through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about anything that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.


**The Firestick has a great interface, very easy to use.

**I have added Terrarium TV on my Firestick.
This has all the TV shows you would want.

https://troypoint.com/install-terrar...fire-tv-stick/

**I have also added Mobdro
Mobdro has many, many networks and TV stations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWip-rgCjmc


Kodi can also be installed on your Firestick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQogjnEqLhs


I have not put Kodi on mine but I have a buddy that uses it.
I did use Kodi when I used a Raspberry pi for streaming.

I have not used any of the Prime videos, as there is so much available
on the apps I posted.

Also, a program called Real Debrid,
https://real-debrid.com/
**It's not needed and has a small cost but it picks the sources that will
give you the best sources to stream from automatically, without you
picking from a list. Also picks the 1040p and 4k streams.

************************* ** Mikek





"Cutting the cord"* (meaning cable/internet service) and going to
streaming still requires a relatively fast internet service, does it
not?* What service would you use?

I have 30Mbps and I don't have any problems, but I also don't have any
other demands on the service, while I'm streaming.
Mikek


amdx[_3_] February 27th 18 05:49 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/27/2018 10:58 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 07:45:37 -0600, amdx wrote:

On 2/25/2018 9:33 PM, wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my way through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about anything that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.


I posted this yesterday, didn't see it show up.


The Firestick has a great interface, very easy to use.

I have added Terrarium TV on my Firestick.
This has all the TV shows you would want.

https://troypoint.com/install-terrar...fire-tv-stick/

I have also added Mobdro
Mobdro has many, many networks and TV stations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWip-rgCjmc


Kodi can also be installed on your Firestick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQogjnEqLhs


I have not put Kodi on mine but I have a buddy that uses it.
I did use Kodi when I used a Raspberry pi for streaming.

I have not used any of the Prime videos, as there is so much available
on the apps I posted.

Also, a program called Real Debrid,
https://real-debrid.com/
It's not needed and has a small cost but it picks the sources that will
give you the best sources to stream from automatically, without you
picking from a list. Also picks the 1040p and 4k streams.

Mikek


It showed up and I thanked you for it.

Thanks again.

:-) I just logged on with my laptop and I see my original post.
I have a buddy that has studied a lot of youtube videos and has
several different boxes setup in his home, Raspberry Pi, several android
boxes, Roku, a computer with Kodi and the Firestick. He has many
different streaming sources on them, he recently showed me one (can't
recall the name) that you can pick a city and watch TV stations from
that city.
I don't know much about the technology, but he keeps my informed on
how to get things working and upgraded.
Mikek


justan February 27th 18 05:49 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
Wrote in message:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 07:43:37 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:30:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


That seems to be the going rate around here for all those services.

I pay $73 a month for expanded basic cable TV, a HD DVR box, two small
HD cable boxes and Internet service. No phone service and no extra cost
channels. Four TV's but one is set up like the following:

My little "office" is on the other side of a wall from the living room
where the 65" TV and the large HD/DVR cable box is located. I have a
small, 23" HD TV on my desk beside my computer monitor. Rather than rent
another small HD cable box from Comcast, I bought a HDMI switch box for
cheap bucks and ran a HDMI cable through the wall from the living room
to the office room. When I want to watch the TV in the office, I just
switch the HDMI switch box to the "B" position and it sends the signal
from the cable box to the little TV in the office. If I want to watch
the big TV, I just put the switch in the "A" position.

Then, I added a remote control thing to change the channels from the
office. It has a LED that mounts near the sensor on the cable box and a
receiver in the office room that you point the cable box remote control
at. It duplicates the IR signal from the "clicker" on the LED mounted
near the sensor on the cable box in the living room. Works great.

It's funny that with three smaller HD TVs, I rarely watch the big one
anymore. It's great for football games and baseball but I usually end
up watching them on the small ones also.

Dish receivers have an RF out that you can distribute around the house
on coax for the "B" tuner and control it with RF remotes. The "A"
tuner is also on that coax on a different channel. I also have a Tivo
that goes out on a HDMI splitter to the bedroom and the living room.
I never really watch TV out in the pool area but I have 2 PC connected
TVs out there that pretty much just play music.
I put a monitor in our Bud Light sign and it runs from the lap top,
pretty much just showing a slide show of whatever we choose.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/New%20tiki%20screen.jpg
I can stream to that too if I want.


Too bad you never met Larry from Charleston. You guys would have
had a lot of fun discussing "stuff".


===

Larry, another guy that 'Airree ran off with his insults, just because
he wanted to talk about boats once in a while.

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We camped at James Island park once and he came to visit. He
was/is a very interesting character. It's too bad the group was
trashed and turned into a political sewer.
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amdx[_3_] February 27th 18 05:57 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/26/2018 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 12:38 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:35:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:26 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:52:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:26:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:00:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 7:48 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/25/2018 10:33 PM,
wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says
after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my way
through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about anything
that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show
about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline
season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.



I occasionally watch something from Amazon Prime's
inventory.* My large
HD TV is not "smart" (connected to the Internet) so I use the
Sony PS4
to stream stuff from Amazon.* Their prime account entitles
you to many
movies and archived shows as you mention for free.

I can also access Hulu, Netfix and other sources but I don't
watch
enough to bother with them.




Smart tvs are cheap nowadays. I paid 800 for a 60 inch smart
***** plasma tv at good old Walmart. A side benefit is that I
can heat
***** the house with it.



Mine can become "smart" if I buy a Roku wireless streaming
stick that
plugs into the TV's USB port.* It's a 65" and I bought it
before having
Internet connectivity became built-in on most TVs.* Accessing
the 'net
via the PS4 is just as effective and it works fine.* I just
don't watch
TV enough to warrant buying another TV just for built-in Internet
connectivity.* Most of the time I just use a little 23" HD TV
that sits
on my desk beside my computer monitor.


Just hook an old PC to it. With a 2.4gz wireless mouse you end
up with
a TV that is a whole lot smarter than the ones sold as smart. We
have
both here. The PC connected wins every time in every category.
The best combo seems to be my "travel" laptop connected to some no
name TV. When the lap top turns off the TV goes to sleep and I
have it
set to hibernate when you close the lid. Open the lid, the pc
comes to
life and the TV comes on.
You can get to any streaming service that way along with being
able to
play music or look at your pictures using whatever PC app you like.



I don't collect or save old PCs.* When they crap out or become so
obsolete they can't run current apps efficiently I buy a new one.* I
"do" have an older Win 7 laptop that I no longer use regularly but I
keep it as a backup or possible traveling computer.* Somewhere I
have an
old XP laptop as well but it is painfully slow compared to Win 7
and Win
10.* I wouldn't even bother with it.


Besides, the little Roku thingy is much smaller and easier to mess
with.



I still don't really understand how people who want to get rid of
services like Comcast cable TV and Internet and go to streaming
only are
going to have access to the Internet.

I think I posted the results of the tests I did that compared download
speeds of AT&T's 4G WiFi service that I have in my truck and the
download speeds of the Comcast (cable) WiFi router in my house.
Comcast
was consistently 3 to 4 times faster, sometimes even more.* The AT&T
test (I did several for each)* often reported that although web
browsing
would be ok, videos may be slow, especially if more than one device
was
connected to the WiFi server.* The Comcast speed report consistently
said that it's speed would allow web browsing and HD video
downloads to
several devices at the same time.



For me, cutting the cord would be cutting the TV and telephone
cords. The internet cord would stay
whole. The TV cord is over $100/month, and that's without a bunch of
movie channels. The telephone
cord is another $40/month.


How much is your Internet service?

I don't have that problem.* I have just have what's called "expanded
basic TV".* I can always order something "On Demand" but I can't
remember the last time I did.** Forget what it costs but it's cheap
compared to the Internet service.* I don't have phone service via cable.
* Just use my cell phone. It's a second account on her cell phone
service and compared to her cell phone bill, mine contribution to it is
peanuts.


I pay $55 for internet.


Ok.* I pay a little less ... $49/month.* The AT&T WiFi in the truck is
$20/mo. for unlimited service but it's not anywhere near as fast.* I may
cancel it.* Don't really know why I even got it.


I have buddy the recently switched from Comcast to WOW, because
Comcast wouldn't negotiate their price. Wow gave him internet for
$39.99. He recommended Wow to a friend and the friend got the same
100Mbps service for $29.99. My buddy was a bit perplexed!
Mikek


Mr. Luddite[_4_] February 27th 18 06:05 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/27/2018 12:36 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/26/2018 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 11:28 AM, amdx wrote:
On 2/25/2018 9:33 PM, wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my way through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about anything that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.


**The Firestick has a great interface, very easy to use.

**I have added Terrarium TV on my Firestick.
This has all the TV shows you would want.

https://troypoint.com/install-terrar...fire-tv-stick/

**I have also added Mobdro
Mobdro has many, many networks and TV stations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWip-rgCjmc

Kodi can also be installed on your Firestick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQogjnEqLhs

I have not put Kodi on mine but I have a buddy that uses it.
I did use Kodi when I used a Raspberry pi for streaming.

I have not used any of the Prime videos, as there is so much
available on the apps I posted.

Also, a program called Real Debrid,
https://real-debrid.com/
**It's not needed and has a small cost but it picks the sources that
will
give you the best sources to stream from automatically, without you
picking from a list. Also picks the 1040p and 4k streams.

************************* ** Mikek





"Cutting the cord"* (meaning cable/internet service) and going to
streaming still requires a relatively fast internet service, does it
not?* What service would you use?

*I have 30Mbps and I don't have any problems, but I also don't have any
other demands on the service, while I'm streaming.
************************* ******* Mikek



30 Mbps is fine for streaming HD video, even with other devices
connected. What service do you have for Internet?



Mr. Luddite[_4_] February 27th 18 06:08 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/27/2018 12:57 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/26/2018 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 12:38 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:35:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:26 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:52:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:26:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:00:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 7:48 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/25/2018 10:33 PM,
wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says
after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my
way through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about
anything that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show
about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline
season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is
pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.



I occasionally watch something from Amazon Prime's
inventory.* My large
HD TV is not "smart" (connected to the Internet) so I use
the Sony PS4
to stream stuff from Amazon.* Their prime account entitles
you to many
movies and archived shows as you mention for free.

I can also access Hulu, Netfix and other sources but I don't
watch
enough to bother with them.




Smart tvs are cheap nowadays. I paid 800 for a 60 inch smart
***** plasma tv at good old Walmart. A side benefit is that I
can heat
***** the house with it.



Mine can become "smart" if I buy a Roku wireless streaming
stick that
plugs into the TV's USB port.* It's a 65" and I bought it
before having
Internet connectivity became built-in on most TVs.* Accessing
the 'net
via the PS4 is just as effective and it works fine.* I just
don't watch
TV enough to warrant buying another TV just for built-in Internet
connectivity.* Most of the time I just use a little 23" HD TV
that sits
on my desk beside my computer monitor.


Just hook an old PC to it. With a 2.4gz wireless mouse you end
up with
a TV that is a whole lot smarter than the ones sold as smart.
We have
both here. The PC connected wins every time in every category.
The best combo seems to be my "travel" laptop connected to some no
name TV. When the lap top turns off the TV goes to sleep and I
have it
set to hibernate when you close the lid. Open the lid, the pc
comes to
life and the TV comes on.
You can get to any streaming service that way along with being
able to
play music or look at your pictures using whatever PC app you
like.



I don't collect or save old PCs.* When they crap out or become so
obsolete they can't run current apps efficiently I buy a new
one.* I
"do" have an older Win 7 laptop that I no longer use regularly
but I
keep it as a backup or possible traveling computer.* Somewhere I
have an
old XP laptop as well but it is painfully slow compared to Win 7
and Win
10.* I wouldn't even bother with it.


Besides, the little Roku thingy is much smaller and easier to
mess with.



I still don't really understand how people who want to get rid of
services like Comcast cable TV and Internet and go to streaming
only are
going to have access to the Internet.

I think I posted the results of the tests I did that compared
download
speeds of AT&T's 4G WiFi service that I have in my truck and the
download speeds of the Comcast (cable) WiFi router in my house.
Comcast
was consistently 3 to 4 times faster, sometimes even more.* The AT&T
test (I did several for each)* often reported that although web
browsing
would be ok, videos may be slow, especially if more than one
device was
connected to the WiFi server.* The Comcast speed report consistently
said that it's speed would allow web browsing and HD video
downloads to
several devices at the same time.



For me, cutting the cord would be cutting the TV and telephone
cords. The internet cord would stay
whole. The TV cord is over $100/month, and that's without a bunch
of movie channels. The telephone
cord is another $40/month.


How much is your Internet service?

I don't have that problem.* I have just have what's called "expanded
basic TV".* I can always order something "On Demand" but I can't
remember the last time I did.** Forget what it costs but it's cheap
compared to the Internet service.* I don't have phone service via
cable.
* Just use my cell phone. It's a second account on her cell phone
service and compared to her cell phone bill, mine contribution to it is
peanuts.

I pay $55 for internet.


Ok.* I pay a little less ... $49/month.* The AT&T WiFi in the truck is
$20/mo. for unlimited service but it's not anywhere near as fast.* I
may cancel it.* Don't really know why I even got it.


* I have buddy the recently switched from Comcast to WOW, because
Comcast wouldn't negotiate their price. Wow gave him internet for
$39.99.* He recommended Wow to a friend and the friend got the same
100Mbps service for $29.99. My buddy was a bit perplexed!
******************* Mikek



The problem is that WOW isn't available in many places. In many areas
Comcast is the only game in town.



amdx[_3_] February 27th 18 06:15 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/27/2018 10:12 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/27/18 11:10 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:55:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/27/18 10:51 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 07:43:37 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:30:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


That seems to be the going rate around here for all those services.

I pay $73 a month for expanded basic cable TV, a HD DVR box, two
small
HD cable boxes and Internet service.* No phone service and no
extra cost
channels.* Four TV's but one is set up like the following:

My little "office" is on the other side of a wall from the living
room
where the 65" TV and the large HD/DVR cable box is located.* I
have a
small, 23" HD TV on my desk beside my computer monitor. Rather
than rent
another small HD cable box from Comcast,* I bought a HDMI switch
box for
cheap bucks and ran a HDMI cable through the wall from the living
room
to the office room.* When I want to watch the TV in the office, I
just
switch the HDMI switch box to the "B" position and it sends the
signal
from the cable box to the little TV in the office. If I want to
watch
the big TV,* I just put the switch in the "A" position.

Then, I added a remote control thing to change the channels from the
office.* It has a LED that mounts near the sensor on the cable
box and a
receiver in the office room that you point the cable box remote
control
at.* It duplicates the IR signal from the "clicker" on the LED
mounted
near the sensor on the cable box in the living room.** Works great.

It's funny that with three smaller HD TVs, I rarely watch the big
one
anymore.* It's great for football games and baseball but I
usually end
up watching them on the small ones also.

Dish receivers have an RF out that you can distribute around the
house
on coax for the "B" tuner and control it with RF remotes. The "A"
tuner is also on that coax on a different channel. I also have a Tivo
that goes out on a HDMI splitter to the bedroom and the living room.
I never really watch TV out in the pool area but I have 2 PC
connected
TVs out there that pretty much just play music.
I put a monitor in our Bud Light sign and it runs from the lap top,
pretty much just showing a slide show of whatever we choose.
**
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/New%20tiki%20screen.jpg
I can stream to that too if I want.


Too bad you never met Larry from Charleston. You guys would have
had a lot of fun discussing "stuff".

===

Larry, another guy that 'Airree ran off with his insults, just because
he wanted to talk about boats once in a while.



Bull****.


===

Not at all.

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Yup. BTW, I see that Larry no longer posts in the rec.boats.cruising
newsgroup, the one you **** in. You've pretty much killed that
newsgroup, eh, W'hine?

I liked Larry. I thought he was a bit over the deep end, but he was a
kind and often helpful soul, not a turd like you and your buddies here.\


Keysor, I was clicking through these posts, and I read the post above
I thought the turd was you, then I saw you wrote the post.
You clearly don't see what your persona is in this newsgroup.
You need some perspective.
Mikek

justan February 27th 18 06:16 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
amdx Wrote in message:
On 2/26/2018 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 12:38 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:35:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:26 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:52:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:26:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:00:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 7:48 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/25/2018 10:33 PM,
wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says
after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my way
through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about anything
that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show
about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline
season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.



I occasionally watch something from Amazon Prime's
inventory. My large
HD TV is not "smart" (connected to the Internet) so I use the
Sony PS4
to stream stuff from Amazon. Their prime account entitles
you to many
movies and archived shows as you mention for free.

I can also access Hulu, Netfix and other sources but I don't
watch
enough to bother with them.




Smart tvs are cheap nowadays. I paid 800 for a 60 inch smart
plasma tv at good old Walmart. A side benefit is that I
can heat
the house with it.



Mine can become "smart" if I buy a Roku wireless streaming
stick that
plugs into the TV's USB port. It's a 65" and I bought it
before having
Internet connectivity became built-in on most TVs. Accessing
the 'net
via the PS4 is just as effective and it works fine. I just
don't watch
TV enough to warrant buying another TV just for built-in Internet
connectivity. Most of the time I just use a little 23" HD TV
that sits
on my desk beside my computer monitor.


Just hook an old PC to it. With a 2.4gz wireless mouse you end
up with
a TV that is a whole lot smarter than the ones sold as smart. We
have
both here. The PC connected wins every time in every category.
The best combo seems to be my "travel" laptop connected to some no
name TV. When the lap top turns off the TV goes to sleep and I
have it
set to hibernate when you close the lid. Open the lid, the pc
comes to
life and the TV comes on.
You can get to any streaming service that way along with being
able to
play music or look at your pictures using whatever PC app you like.



I don't collect or save old PCs. When they crap out or become so
obsolete they can't run current apps efficiently I buy a new one. I
"do" have an older Win 7 laptop that I no longer use regularly but I
keep it as a backup or possible traveling computer. Somewhere I
have an
old XP laptop as well but it is painfully slow compared to Win 7
and Win
10. I wouldn't even bother with it.


Besides, the little Roku thingy is much smaller and easier to mess
with.



I still don't really understand how people who want to get rid of
services like Comcast cable TV and Internet and go to streaming
only are
going to have access to the Internet.

I think I posted the results of the tests I did that compared download
speeds of AT&T's 4G WiFi service that I have in my truck and the
download speeds of the Comcast (cable) WiFi router in my house.
Comcast
was consistently 3 to 4 times faster, sometimes even more. The AT&T
test (I did several for each) often reported that although web
browsing
would be ok, videos may be slow, especially if more than one device
was
connected to the WiFi server. The Comcast speed report consistently
said that it's speed would allow web browsing and HD video
downloads to
several devices at the same time.



For me, cutting the cord would be cutting the TV and telephone
cords. The internet cord would stay
whole. The TV cord is over $100/month, and that's without a bunch of
movie channels. The telephone
cord is another $40/month.


How much is your Internet service?

I don't have that problem. I have just have what's called "expanded
basic TV". I can always order something "On Demand" but I can't
remember the last time I did. Forget what it costs but it's cheap
compared to the Internet service. I don't have phone service via cable.
Just use my cell phone. It's a second account on her cell phone
service and compared to her cell phone bill, mine contribution to it is
peanuts.

I pay $55 for internet.


Ok. I pay a little less ... $49/month. The AT&T WiFi in the truck is
$20/mo. for unlimited service but it's not anywhere near as fast. I may
cancel it. Don't really know why I even got it.


I have buddy the recently switched from Comcast to WOW, because
Comcast wouldn't negotiate their price. Wow gave him internet for
$39.99. He recommended Wow to a friend and the friend got the same
100Mbps service for $29.99. My buddy was a bit perplexed!
Mikek



Amazon has the firestick on sale for $29 free shipping with prime.
Aparently it's sideloadable with android operating sys.

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[email protected] February 27th 18 06:17 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:36:00 -0600, amdx wrote:

I have 30Mbps


I often wonder how that translates to the real world. I had a lot of
conversations with various tech support groups leading up to switching
my web host and the problems that prompted that.
The consensus was running a speed test to your ISPs test site was
meaningless other than what the max is you can get. When you go to 3d
party sites, that is a test of your servers and their servers but the
real issue is what you can actually get when talking to a web site or
other service. I know my news server is not even close to being able
to keep my 10mb pipe full. I have also had times when Amazon was not
able to keep a stream going without buffering, even tho I still had
plenty of capacity on my end. (I could start a Netflix). It was just a
new show on Prime and I am guessing they were slammed.
That huge capacity may be good for multiple users hitting multiple
byte hungry sites but I am not sure it is of a lot of value for 1 or 2
users. My wife's place was running the whole club on one Comcast line
and they finally had to buy another one, not because of throughput but
simply because one IP address could not support the number of unique
sub net IPs they had on the LAN. Granted all of them were not
streaming cat videos on Facebook but it was more than a few.

John H.[_5_] February 27th 18 06:19 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 13:08:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/27/2018 12:57 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/26/2018 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 12:38 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:35:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:26 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:52:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:26:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:00:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 7:48 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/25/2018 10:33 PM,
wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says
after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my
way through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about
anything that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show
about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline
season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is
pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.



I occasionally watch something from Amazon Prime's
inventory.* My large
HD TV is not "smart" (connected to the Internet) so I use
the Sony PS4
to stream stuff from Amazon.* Their prime account entitles
you to many
movies and archived shows as you mention for free.

I can also access Hulu, Netfix and other sources but I don't
watch
enough to bother with them.




Smart tvs are cheap nowadays. I paid 800 for a 60 inch smart
***** plasma tv at good old Walmart. A side benefit is that I
can heat
***** the house with it.



Mine can become "smart" if I buy a Roku wireless streaming
stick that
plugs into the TV's USB port.* It's a 65" and I bought it
before having
Internet connectivity became built-in on most TVs.* Accessing
the 'net
via the PS4 is just as effective and it works fine.* I just
don't watch
TV enough to warrant buying another TV just for built-in Internet
connectivity.* Most of the time I just use a little 23" HD TV
that sits
on my desk beside my computer monitor.


Just hook an old PC to it. With a 2.4gz wireless mouse you end
up with
a TV that is a whole lot smarter than the ones sold as smart.
We have
both here. The PC connected wins every time in every category.
The best combo seems to be my "travel" laptop connected to some no
name TV. When the lap top turns off the TV goes to sleep and I
have it
set to hibernate when you close the lid. Open the lid, the pc
comes to
life and the TV comes on.
You can get to any streaming service that way along with being
able to
play music or look at your pictures using whatever PC app you
like.



I don't collect or save old PCs.* When they crap out or become so
obsolete they can't run current apps efficiently I buy a new
one.* I
"do" have an older Win 7 laptop that I no longer use regularly
but I
keep it as a backup or possible traveling computer.* Somewhere I
have an
old XP laptop as well but it is painfully slow compared to Win 7
and Win
10.* I wouldn't even bother with it.


Besides, the little Roku thingy is much smaller and easier to
mess with.



I still don't really understand how people who want to get rid of
services like Comcast cable TV and Internet and go to streaming
only are
going to have access to the Internet.

I think I posted the results of the tests I did that compared
download
speeds of AT&T's 4G WiFi service that I have in my truck and the
download speeds of the Comcast (cable) WiFi router in my house.
Comcast
was consistently 3 to 4 times faster, sometimes even more.* The AT&T
test (I did several for each)* often reported that although web
browsing
would be ok, videos may be slow, especially if more than one
device was
connected to the WiFi server.* The Comcast speed report consistently
said that it's speed would allow web browsing and HD video
downloads to
several devices at the same time.



For me, cutting the cord would be cutting the TV and telephone
cords. The internet cord would stay
whole. The TV cord is over $100/month, and that's without a bunch
of movie channels. The telephone
cord is another $40/month.


How much is your Internet service?

I don't have that problem.* I have just have what's called "expanded
basic TV".* I can always order something "On Demand" but I can't
remember the last time I did.** Forget what it costs but it's cheap
compared to the Internet service.* I don't have phone service via
cable.
* Just use my cell phone. It's a second account on her cell phone
service and compared to her cell phone bill, mine contribution to it is
peanuts.

I pay $55 for internet.


Ok.* I pay a little less ... $49/month.* The AT&T WiFi in the truck is
$20/mo. for unlimited service but it's not anywhere near as fast.* I
may cancel it.* Don't really know why I even got it.


* I have buddy the recently switched from Comcast to WOW, because
Comcast wouldn't negotiate their price. Wow gave him internet for
$39.99.* He recommended Wow to a friend and the friend got the same
100Mbps service for $29.99. My buddy was a bit perplexed!
******************* Mikek



The problem is that WOW isn't available in many places. In many areas
Comcast is the only game in town.


We now have a choice of Verizon or Cox. I've been with Cox since early 90's, but just about every
year my bill jumps up $40-$50, sometimes more. And then I call, argue for an hour, threaten to go to
Verizon, and my bill stays around $150-160, with 'promotions'. In September all my promotions run
out and the lady says my bill would go to $240. We'll see how many promotions I can qualify for in
September.

Mr. Luddite[_4_] February 27th 18 06:49 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/27/2018 1:17 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:36:00 -0600, amdx wrote:

I have 30Mbps


I often wonder how that translates to the real world. I had a lot of
conversations with various tech support groups leading up to switching
my web host and the problems that prompted that.
The consensus was running a speed test to your ISPs test site was
meaningless other than what the max is you can get. When you go to 3d
party sites, that is a test of your servers and their servers but the
real issue is what you can actually get when talking to a web site or
other service. I know my news server is not even close to being able
to keep my 10mb pipe full. I have also had times when Amazon was not
able to keep a stream going without buffering, even tho I still had
plenty of capacity on my end. (I could start a Netflix). It was just a
new show on Prime and I am guessing they were slammed.
That huge capacity may be good for multiple users hitting multiple
byte hungry sites but I am not sure it is of a lot of value for 1 or 2
users. My wife's place was running the whole club on one Comcast line
and they finally had to buy another one, not because of throughput but
simply because one IP address could not support the number of unique
sub net IPs they had on the LAN. Granted all of them were not
streaming cat videos on Facebook but it was more than a few.



Years ago when we wintered in Florida we had DSL because cable was not
available. It worked ok but videos and HD media was not as
popular and as heavily downloaded back then. When I opened the guitar
shop in 2009 the building was not wired for cable so I had to get DSL
again. That's when I really starting to notice the difference between
the shop's DSL Internet speed and the speed of Comcast cable we had at
the house.

I used to update the shop's website daily and the program I used
reloaded all of the website's content which would take forever on DSL.
I ended up doing it at home after the shop closed. On cable the
complete site would upload in less than 30 seconds. At the shop it
sometimes took 5-10 minutes and often it would hang up and I'd have to
start all over again.

There is a difference, especially when more and more devices are added.
Now with two or cell phones constantly connected, multiple computers,
tablets, Smart TVs, etc., I can't see how DSL can be quick enough, but I
don't have it anymore so I don't know.



amdx[_3_] February 27th 18 06:54 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/26/2018 12:54 PM, wrote:


You don't need to get "the bundle" to get internet from Comcast but
they usually throw in basic cable for free. I would not have Comcast
here. They are too unreliable. Fast internet when is running does not
offset the times when it is totally down.
I use DSL from the Telco and I have Dish that is $170 a month I would
like to lose. I can get HBO, Sho and one other streaming host like
Hulu for around $30. We are already buying Prime and Netflix.
It is actually amazing how much in on You Tube for free. It is not
just cat videos and people taking a baseball to the nuts these days.

In case Harry needs to know, you can search "Fox News Live Stream"
on Youtube and see a live stream of Foxnews channel. Pick the one with
the most people watching for the best stream.
I'm watching this now,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqcLGNHMqg4
It has about a 30 second delay, but I only know because I'm watch it
over cable too.
Mikek


amdx[_3_] February 27th 18 06:55 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/26/2018 12:55 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:46:05 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:34:48 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:26:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:18 AM,
wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:00:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 7:48 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/25/2018 10:33 PM,
wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my way through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about anything that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.



I occasionally watch something from Amazon Prime's inventory. My large
HD TV is not "smart" (connected to the Internet) so I use the Sony PS4
to stream stuff from Amazon. Their prime account entitles you to many
movies and archived shows as you mention for free.

I can also access Hulu, Netfix and other sources but I don't watch
enough to bother with them.




Smart tvs are cheap nowadays. I paid 800 for a 60 inch smart
plasma tv at good old Walmart. A side benefit is that I can heat
the house with it.



Mine can become "smart" if I buy a Roku wireless streaming stick that
plugs into the TV's USB port. It's a 65" and I bought it before having
Internet connectivity became built-in on most TVs. Accessing the 'net
via the PS4 is just as effective and it works fine. I just don't watch
TV enough to warrant buying another TV just for built-in Internet
connectivity. Most of the time I just use a little 23" HD TV that sits
on my desk beside my computer monitor.


Just hook an old PC to it. With a 2.4gz wireless mouse you end up with
a TV that is a whole lot smarter than the ones sold as smart. We have
both here. The PC connected wins every time in every category.
The best combo seems to be my "travel" laptop connected to some no
name TV. When the lap top turns off the TV goes to sleep and I have it
set to hibernate when you close the lid. Open the lid, the pc comes to
life and the TV comes on.
You can get to any streaming service that way along with being able to
play music or look at your pictures using whatever PC app you like.



I don't collect or save old PCs. When they crap out or become so
obsolete they can't run current apps efficiently I buy a new one. I
"do" have an older Win 7 laptop that I no longer use regularly but I
keep it as a backup or possible traveling computer. Somewhere I have an
old XP laptop as well but it is painfully slow compared to Win 7 and Win
10. I wouldn't even bother with it.


Besides, the little Roku thingy is much smaller and easier to mess with.


What could be easier than a mouse and a real keyboard for entering
things you want to search for? I hate trying to poke out text on a TV
remote.


With the Amazon thingy, you just talk to it. Haven't you been watching the Olympics at all? The cute
little thing's name is 'Alexa'.

Have you ever told her she is awesome?
Mikek

amdx[_3_] February 27th 18 06:58 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/26/2018 2:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 2:01 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 1:32:32 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:26:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:00:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 7:48 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/25/2018 10:33 PM,
wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my way
through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about anything
that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show about
the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline
season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.



I occasionally watch something from Amazon Prime's inventory.
My large
HD TV is not "smart" (connected to the Internet) so I use the
Sony PS4
to stream stuff from Amazon.* Their prime account entitles you
to many
movies and archived shows as you mention for free.

I can also access Hulu, Netfix and other sources but I don't watch
enough to bother with them.




Smart tvs are cheap nowadays. I paid 800 for a 60 inch smart
*** plasma tv at good old Walmart. A side benefit is that I can heat
*** the house with it.



Mine can become "smart" if I buy a Roku wireless streaming stick that
plugs into the TV's USB port.* It's a 65" and I bought it before
having
Internet connectivity became built-in on most TVs.* Accessing the
'net
via the PS4 is just as effective and it works fine.* I just don't
watch
TV enough to warrant buying another TV just for built-in Internet
connectivity.* Most of the time I just use a little 23" HD TV that
sits
on my desk beside my computer monitor.


Just hook an old PC to it. With a 2.4gz wireless mouse you end up with
a TV that is a whole lot smarter than the ones sold as smart. We have
both here. The PC connected wins every time in every category.
The best combo seems to be my "travel" laptop connected to some no
name TV. When the lap top turns off the TV goes to sleep and I have it
set to hibernate when you close the lid. Open the lid, the pc comes to
life and the TV comes on.
You can get to any streaming service that way along with being able to
play music or look at your pictures using whatever PC app you like.



I don't collect or save old PCs.* When they crap out or become so
obsolete they can't run current apps efficiently I buy a new one.* I
"do" have an older Win 7 laptop that I no longer use regularly but I
keep it as a backup or possible traveling computer.* Somewhere I
have an
old XP laptop as well but it is painfully slow compared to Win 7 and
Win
10.* I wouldn't even bother with it.


Those are plenty fast enough to stream TV and if you reloaded it back
to what it was when you bought it, it would be as fast as it was then.
Most "old and slow" PCs are just slow because they are loaded up with
useless software, spyware and other barnacles you collect over the
years. PCs make TVs smart and I have been doing it for close to 20
years. At first you needed a TV-out card but these days TVs have VGA
ports and newer PCs have HDMI ports. They are naturals for each other.
I would suggest your travel lap top for the TV. Then once you have
that all set up, when you travel, you can hijack the TV wherever you
go.
The only time it is a problem is in a "Lodge Net TV" hotel. They have
special TVs that I have not been able to hack into. You also find out
the free WiFi is not fast enough to stream.
When we rent houses, that is never a problem.




Back in the days when I traveled and did system installs, I was
staying in hotels and always had my traveling toolkit with me.
Typically, the hotel TV's picture looked like crap and the adjustments
were behind a screwed-down door to prevent the average joe from
messing with them.* I took care of that issue on the first night.



Me too.* Used to drive me nuts. Seems like they set them up in "Vivid"
or store display mode.

Now a days, you need to carry a pair of channel locks and your
favorite shower head. Just don't forget it when you leave.
Mikek

amdx[_3_] February 27th 18 07:02 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/27/2018 12:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/27/2018 12:36 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/26/2018 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 11:28 AM, amdx wrote:
On 2/25/2018 9:33 PM, wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my way through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about anything that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.


**The Firestick has a great interface, very easy to use.

**I have added Terrarium TV on my Firestick.
This has all the TV shows you would want.

https://troypoint.com/install-terrar...fire-tv-stick/


**I have also added Mobdro
Mobdro has many, many networks and TV stations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWip-rgCjmc

Kodi can also be installed on your Firestick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQogjnEqLhs

I have not put Kodi on mine but I have a buddy that uses it.
I did use Kodi when I used a Raspberry pi for streaming.

I have not used any of the Prime videos, as there is so much
available on the apps I posted.

Also, a program called Real Debrid,
https://real-debrid.com/
**It's not needed and has a small cost but it picks the sources that
will
give you the best sources to stream from automatically, without you
picking from a list. Also picks the 1040p and 4k streams.

************************* ** Mikek





"Cutting the cord"* (meaning cable/internet service) and going to
streaming still requires a relatively fast internet service, does it
not?* What service would you use?

**I have 30Mbps and I don't have any problems, but I also don't have any
other demands on the service, while I'm streaming.
************************* ******** Mikek



30 Mbps is fine for streaming HD video, even with other devices
connected.* What service do you have for Internet?


I have Wow, but Comcast is available, they both have excellent cable
service, work consistently. But, I suspect like all cable companies, if
you need personal care, good luck.
Mikek

amdx[_3_] February 27th 18 07:12 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/27/2018 12:17 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:36:00 -0600, amdx wrote:

I have 30Mbps


I often wonder how that translates to the real world. I had a lot of
conversations with various tech support groups leading up to switching
my web host and the problems that prompted that.
The consensus was running a speed test to your ISPs test site was
meaningless other than what the max is you can get. When you go to 3d
party sites, that is a test of your servers and their servers but the
real issue is what you can actually get when talking to a web site or
other service. I know my news server is not even close to being able
to keep my 10mb pipe full. I have also had times when Amazon was not
able to keep a stream going without buffering, even tho I still had
plenty of capacity on my end. (I could start a Netflix). It was just a
new show on Prime and I am guessing they were slammed.
That huge capacity may be good for multiple users hitting multiple
byte hungry sites but I am not sure it is of a lot of value for 1 or 2
users. My wife's place was running the whole club on one Comcast line
and they finally had to buy another one, not because of throughput but
simply because one IP address could not support the number of unique
sub net IPs they had on the LAN. Granted all of them were not
streaming cat videos on Facebook but it was more than a few.

I don't know, I just know, I'm not limited by my internet speed, unless
my kids are home and my son is game playing and my daughter is streaming
something.
When I'm at the marina on their wifi, for 10 years I survived on just
under 1Mbps! In the recent past, I hit over 3 Mbps on a speedtest,
Blazing speed :-) I just did a speed test I got 1.91Mbps, I fired up the
Foxnews Youtube live stream and then did a speedtest, it dropped to
1.45Mbps.
Mikek

John H.[_5_] February 27th 18 07:12 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 12:55:41 -0600, amdx wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:55 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:46:05 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:34:48 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:26:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:18 AM,
wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:00:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 7:48 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/25/2018 10:33 PM,
wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my way through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about anything that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.



I occasionally watch something from Amazon Prime's inventory. My large
HD TV is not "smart" (connected to the Internet) so I use the Sony PS4
to stream stuff from Amazon. Their prime account entitles you to many
movies and archived shows as you mention for free.

I can also access Hulu, Netfix and other sources but I don't watch
enough to bother with them.




Smart tvs are cheap nowadays. I paid 800 for a 60 inch smart
plasma tv at good old Walmart. A side benefit is that I can heat
the house with it.



Mine can become "smart" if I buy a Roku wireless streaming stick that
plugs into the TV's USB port. It's a 65" and I bought it before having
Internet connectivity became built-in on most TVs. Accessing the 'net
via the PS4 is just as effective and it works fine. I just don't watch
TV enough to warrant buying another TV just for built-in Internet
connectivity. Most of the time I just use a little 23" HD TV that sits
on my desk beside my computer monitor.


Just hook an old PC to it. With a 2.4gz wireless mouse you end up with
a TV that is a whole lot smarter than the ones sold as smart. We have
both here. The PC connected wins every time in every category.
The best combo seems to be my "travel" laptop connected to some no
name TV. When the lap top turns off the TV goes to sleep and I have it
set to hibernate when you close the lid. Open the lid, the pc comes to
life and the TV comes on.
You can get to any streaming service that way along with being able to
play music or look at your pictures using whatever PC app you like.



I don't collect or save old PCs. When they crap out or become so
obsolete they can't run current apps efficiently I buy a new one. I
"do" have an older Win 7 laptop that I no longer use regularly but I
keep it as a backup or possible traveling computer. Somewhere I have an
old XP laptop as well but it is painfully slow compared to Win 7 and Win
10. I wouldn't even bother with it.


Besides, the little Roku thingy is much smaller and easier to mess with.

What could be easier than a mouse and a real keyboard for entering
things you want to search for? I hate trying to poke out text on a TV
remote.


With the Amazon thingy, you just talk to it. Haven't you been watching the Olympics at all? The cute
little thing's name is 'Alexa'.

Have you ever told her she is awesome?
Mikek


I don't have one. Tell me what happens. I know you can ask Suri to flip a coin. I thought that was
cool. I told my daughter, and she thinks it's the most valuable thing in the world. Stops a lot of
arguments with the kids.

I wonder if Suri would 'pick a number between one and ten'. Would be interesting to do it a hundred
times just to see the distribution of the answers.

amdx[_3_] February 27th 18 07:20 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/27/2018 1:12 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 12:55:41 -0600, amdx wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:55 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:46:05 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:34:48 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:26:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:18 AM,
wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:00:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 7:48 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/25/2018 10:33 PM,
wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my way through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about anything that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.



I occasionally watch something from Amazon Prime's inventory. My large
HD TV is not "smart" (connected to the Internet) so I use the Sony PS4
to stream stuff from Amazon. Their prime account entitles you to many
movies and archived shows as you mention for free.

I can also access Hulu, Netfix and other sources but I don't watch
enough to bother with them.




Smart tvs are cheap nowadays. I paid 800 for a 60 inch smart
plasma tv at good old Walmart. A side benefit is that I can heat
the house with it.



Mine can become "smart" if I buy a Roku wireless streaming stick that
plugs into the TV's USB port. It's a 65" and I bought it before having
Internet connectivity became built-in on most TVs. Accessing the 'net
via the PS4 is just as effective and it works fine. I just don't watch
TV enough to warrant buying another TV just for built-in Internet
connectivity. Most of the time I just use a little 23" HD TV that sits
on my desk beside my computer monitor.


Just hook an old PC to it. With a 2.4gz wireless mouse you end up with
a TV that is a whole lot smarter than the ones sold as smart. We have
both here. The PC connected wins every time in every category.
The best combo seems to be my "travel" laptop connected to some no
name TV. When the lap top turns off the TV goes to sleep and I have it
set to hibernate when you close the lid. Open the lid, the pc comes to
life and the TV comes on.
You can get to any streaming service that way along with being able to
play music or look at your pictures using whatever PC app you like.



I don't collect or save old PCs. When they crap out or become so
obsolete they can't run current apps efficiently I buy a new one. I
"do" have an older Win 7 laptop that I no longer use regularly but I
keep it as a backup or possible traveling computer. Somewhere I have an
old XP laptop as well but it is painfully slow compared to Win 7 and Win
10. I wouldn't even bother with it.


Besides, the little Roku thingy is much smaller and easier to mess with.

What could be easier than a mouse and a real keyboard for entering
things you want to search for? I hate trying to poke out text on a TV
remote.

With the Amazon thingy, you just talk to it. Haven't you been watching the Olympics at all? The cute
little thing's name is 'Alexa'.

Have you ever told her she is awesome?
Mikek


I don't have one. Tell me what happens. I know you can ask Suri to flip a coin. I thought that was
cool. I told my daughter, and she thinks it's the most valuable thing in the world. Stops a lot of
arguments with the kids.

I wonder if Suri would 'pick a number between one and ten'. Would be interesting to do it a hundred
times just to see the distribution of the answers.

I recall it's a little different each time, but she's very polite and
accepting.
Mikek

Its Me February 27th 18 07:38 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 2:20:28 PM UTC-5, amdx wrote:
On 2/27/2018 1:12 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 12:55:41 -0600, amdx wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:55 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:46:05 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:34:48 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:26:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:18 AM,
wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:00:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 7:48 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/25/2018 10:33 PM,
wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my way through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about anything that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.



I occasionally watch something from Amazon Prime's inventory. My large
HD TV is not "smart" (connected to the Internet) so I use the Sony PS4
to stream stuff from Amazon. Their prime account entitles you to many
movies and archived shows as you mention for free.

I can also access Hulu, Netfix and other sources but I don't watch
enough to bother with them.




Smart tvs are cheap nowadays. I paid 800 for a 60 inch smart
plasma tv at good old Walmart. A side benefit is that I can heat
the house with it.



Mine can become "smart" if I buy a Roku wireless streaming stick that
plugs into the TV's USB port. It's a 65" and I bought it before having
Internet connectivity became built-in on most TVs. Accessing the 'net
via the PS4 is just as effective and it works fine. I just don't watch
TV enough to warrant buying another TV just for built-in Internet
connectivity. Most of the time I just use a little 23" HD TV that sits
on my desk beside my computer monitor.


Just hook an old PC to it. With a 2.4gz wireless mouse you end up with
a TV that is a whole lot smarter than the ones sold as smart. We have
both here. The PC connected wins every time in every category.
The best combo seems to be my "travel" laptop connected to some no
name TV. When the lap top turns off the TV goes to sleep and I have it
set to hibernate when you close the lid. Open the lid, the pc comes to
life and the TV comes on.
You can get to any streaming service that way along with being able to
play music or look at your pictures using whatever PC app you like.



I don't collect or save old PCs. When they crap out or become so
obsolete they can't run current apps efficiently I buy a new one. I
"do" have an older Win 7 laptop that I no longer use regularly but I
keep it as a backup or possible traveling computer. Somewhere I have an
old XP laptop as well but it is painfully slow compared to Win 7 and Win
10. I wouldn't even bother with it.


Besides, the little Roku thingy is much smaller and easier to mess with.

What could be easier than a mouse and a real keyboard for entering
things you want to search for? I hate trying to poke out text on a TV
remote.

With the Amazon thingy, you just talk to it. Haven't you been watching the Olympics at all? The cute
little thing's name is 'Alexa'.

Have you ever told her she is awesome?
Mikek


I don't have one. Tell me what happens. I know you can ask Suri to flip a coin. I thought that was
cool. I told my daughter, and she thinks it's the most valuable thing in the world. Stops a lot of
arguments with the kids.

I wonder if Suri would 'pick a number between one and ten'. Would be interesting to do it a hundred
times just to see the distribution of the answers.

I recall it's a little different each time, but she's very polite and
accepting.
Mikek


Ask her "Who let the dogs out?"

Siri has retired that one.

Bill[_12_] February 27th 18 07:59 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/27/2018 12:57 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/26/2018 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 12:38 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:35:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:26 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:52:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:26:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:00:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 7:48 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/25/2018 10:33 PM,
wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says
after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my
way through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about
anything that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show
about the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline
season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is
pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.



I occasionally watch something from Amazon Prime's
inventory.* My large
HD TV is not "smart" (connected to the Internet) so I use
the Sony PS4
to stream stuff from Amazon.* Their prime account entitles
you to many
movies and archived shows as you mention for free.

I can also access Hulu, Netfix and other sources but I don't
watch
enough to bother with them.




Smart tvs are cheap nowadays. I paid 800 for a 60 inch smart
***** plasma tv at good old Walmart. A side benefit is that I
can heat
***** the house with it.



Mine can become "smart" if I buy a Roku wireless streaming
stick that
plugs into the TV's USB port.* It's a 65" and I bought it
before having
Internet connectivity became built-in on most TVs.* Accessing
the 'net
via the PS4 is just as effective and it works fine.* I just
don't watch
TV enough to warrant buying another TV just for built-in Internet
connectivity.* Most of the time I just use a little 23" HD TV
that sits
on my desk beside my computer monitor.


Just hook an old PC to it. With a 2.4gz wireless mouse you end
up with
a TV that is a whole lot smarter than the ones sold as smart.
We have
both here. The PC connected wins every time in every category.
The best combo seems to be my "travel" laptop connected to some no
name TV. When the lap top turns off the TV goes to sleep and I
have it
set to hibernate when you close the lid. Open the lid, the pc
comes to
life and the TV comes on.
You can get to any streaming service that way along with being
able to
play music or look at your pictures using whatever PC app you
like.



I don't collect or save old PCs.* When they crap out or become so
obsolete they can't run current apps efficiently I buy a new
one.* I
"do" have an older Win 7 laptop that I no longer use regularly
but I
keep it as a backup or possible traveling computer.* Somewhere I
have an
old XP laptop as well but it is painfully slow compared to Win 7
and Win
10.* I wouldn't even bother with it.


Besides, the little Roku thingy is much smaller and easier to
mess with.



I still don't really understand how people who want to get rid of
services like Comcast cable TV and Internet and go to streaming
only are
going to have access to the Internet.

I think I posted the results of the tests I did that compared
download
speeds of AT&T's 4G WiFi service that I have in my truck and the
download speeds of the Comcast (cable) WiFi router in my house.
Comcast
was consistently 3 to 4 times faster, sometimes even more.* The AT&T
test (I did several for each)* often reported that although web
browsing
would be ok, videos may be slow, especially if more than one
device was
connected to the WiFi server.* The Comcast speed report consistently
said that it's speed would allow web browsing and HD video
downloads to
several devices at the same time.



For me, cutting the cord would be cutting the TV and telephone
cords. The internet cord would stay
whole. The TV cord is over $100/month, and that's without a bunch
of movie channels. The telephone
cord is another $40/month.


How much is your Internet service?

I don't have that problem.* I have just have what's called "expanded
basic TV".* I can always order something "On Demand" but I can't
remember the last time I did.** Forget what it costs but it's cheap
compared to the Internet service.* I don't have phone service via
cable.
* Just use my cell phone. It's a second account on her cell phone
service and compared to her cell phone bill, mine contribution to it is
peanuts.

I pay $55 for internet.


Ok.* I pay a little less ... $49/month.* The AT&T WiFi in the truck is
$20/mo. for unlimited service but it's not anywhere near as fast.* I
may cancel it.* Don't really know why I even got it.


* I have buddy the recently switched from Comcast to WOW, because
Comcast wouldn't negotiate their price. Wow gave him internet for
$39.99.* He recommended Wow to a friend and the friend got the same
100Mbps service for $29.99. My buddy was a bit perplexed!
******************* Mikek



The problem is that WOW isn't available in many places. In many areas
Comcast is the only game in town.




I had DSL before Comcast. Problem I had was urban area and in the evening
might as well have no internet. Too many people, and he Mbps went to near
zero.


Bill[_12_] February 27th 18 07:59 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
amdx wrote:
On 2/26/2018 2:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 2:01 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 1:32:32 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:26:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:00:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 7:48 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/25/2018 10:33 PM,
wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my way
through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about anything
that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show about
the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline
season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.



I occasionally watch something from Amazon Prime's inventory.
My large
HD TV is not "smart" (connected to the Internet) so I use the
Sony PS4
to stream stuff from Amazon.* Their prime account entitles you
to many
movies and archived shows as you mention for free.

I can also access Hulu, Netfix and other sources but I don't watch
enough to bother with them.




Smart tvs are cheap nowadays. I paid 800 for a 60 inch smart
*** plasma tv at good old Walmart. A side benefit is that I can heat
*** the house with it.



Mine can become "smart" if I buy a Roku wireless streaming stick that
plugs into the TV's USB port.* It's a 65" and I bought it before
having
Internet connectivity became built-in on most TVs.* Accessing the
'net
via the PS4 is just as effective and it works fine.* I just don't
watch
TV enough to warrant buying another TV just for built-in Internet
connectivity.* Most of the time I just use a little 23" HD TV that
sits
on my desk beside my computer monitor.


Just hook an old PC to it. With a 2.4gz wireless mouse you end up with
a TV that is a whole lot smarter than the ones sold as smart. We have
both here. The PC connected wins every time in every category.
The best combo seems to be my "travel" laptop connected to some no
name TV. When the lap top turns off the TV goes to sleep and I have it
set to hibernate when you close the lid. Open the lid, the pc comes to
life and the TV comes on.
You can get to any streaming service that way along with being able to
play music or look at your pictures using whatever PC app you like.



I don't collect or save old PCs.* When they crap out or become so
obsolete they can't run current apps efficiently I buy a new one.* I
"do" have an older Win 7 laptop that I no longer use regularly but I
keep it as a backup or possible traveling computer.* Somewhere I
have an
old XP laptop as well but it is painfully slow compared to Win 7 and
Win
10.* I wouldn't even bother with it.


Those are plenty fast enough to stream TV and if you reloaded it back
to what it was when you bought it, it would be as fast as it was then.
Most "old and slow" PCs are just slow because they are loaded up with
useless software, spyware and other barnacles you collect over the
years. PCs make TVs smart and I have been doing it for close to 20
years. At first you needed a TV-out card but these days TVs have VGA
ports and newer PCs have HDMI ports. They are naturals for each other.
I would suggest your travel lap top for the TV. Then once you have
that all set up, when you travel, you can hijack the TV wherever you
go.
The only time it is a problem is in a "Lodge Net TV" hotel. They have
special TVs that I have not been able to hack into. You also find out
the free WiFi is not fast enough to stream.
When we rent houses, that is never a problem.



Back in the days when I traveled and did system installs, I was
staying in hotels and always had my traveling toolkit with me.
Typically, the hotel TV's picture looked like crap and the adjustments
were behind a screwed-down door to prevent the average joe from
messing with them.* I took care of that issue on the first night.



Me too.* Used to drive me nuts. Seems like they set them up in "Vivid"
or store display mode.

Now a days, you need to carry a pair of channel locks and your
favorite shower head. Just don't forget it when you leave.
Mikek


You notice that in countries like Costa Rica. No low flow shower heads.


[email protected] February 27th 18 08:34 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 13:49:43 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/27/2018 1:17 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:36:00 -0600, amdx wrote:

I have 30Mbps


I often wonder how that translates to the real world. I had a lot of
conversations with various tech support groups leading up to switching
my web host and the problems that prompted that.
The consensus was running a speed test to your ISPs test site was
meaningless other than what the max is you can get. When you go to 3d
party sites, that is a test of your servers and their servers but the
real issue is what you can actually get when talking to a web site or
other service. I know my news server is not even close to being able
to keep my 10mb pipe full. I have also had times when Amazon was not
able to keep a stream going without buffering, even tho I still had
plenty of capacity on my end. (I could start a Netflix). It was just a
new show on Prime and I am guessing they were slammed.
That huge capacity may be good for multiple users hitting multiple
byte hungry sites but I am not sure it is of a lot of value for 1 or 2
users. My wife's place was running the whole club on one Comcast line
and they finally had to buy another one, not because of throughput but
simply because one IP address could not support the number of unique
sub net IPs they had on the LAN. Granted all of them were not
streaming cat videos on Facebook but it was more than a few.



Years ago when we wintered in Florida we had DSL because cable was not
available. It worked ok but videos and HD media was not as
popular and as heavily downloaded back then. When I opened the guitar
shop in 2009 the building was not wired for cable so I had to get DSL
again. That's when I really starting to notice the difference between
the shop's DSL Internet speed and the speed of Comcast cable we had at
the house.

I used to update the shop's website daily and the program I used
reloaded all of the website's content which would take forever on DSL.
I ended up doing it at home after the shop closed. On cable the
complete site would upload in less than 30 seconds. At the shop it
sometimes took 5-10 minutes and often it would hang up and I'd have to
start all over again.

There is a difference, especially when more and more devices are added.
Now with two or cell phones constantly connected, multiple computers,
tablets, Smart TVs, etc., I can't see how DSL can be quick enough, but I
don't have it anymore so I don't know.



===

DSL was always much slower on upload compared to download if I recall
correctly. It was a feature. :-)

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Mr. Luddite[_4_] February 27th 18 09:01 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/27/2018 2:59 PM, Bill wrote:
amdx wrote:
On 2/26/2018 2:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 2:01 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 1:32:32 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:26:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:00:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 7:48 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/25/2018 10:33 PM,
wrote:
I am really serious about cutting the cord. My wife says after the
olympics but that was today.
I am already transitioning to streaming, I am working my way
through
the Amazon Prime documentaries They have just about anything
that PBS
ever aired. I talked about the American Experience show about
the MLK
assassination the other day. Today I am watching Frontline
season 27
ep 8. This is contemporary with the 2009 crash and it is pretty
interesting, carving through some of the myths we may have.



I occasionally watch something from Amazon Prime's inventory.
My large
HD TV is not "smart" (connected to the Internet) so I use the
Sony PS4
to stream stuff from Amazon.* Their prime account entitles you
to many
movies and archived shows as you mention for free.

I can also access Hulu, Netfix and other sources but I don't watch
enough to bother with them.




Smart tvs are cheap nowadays. I paid 800 for a 60 inch smart
*** plasma tv at good old Walmart. A side benefit is that I can heat
*** the house with it.



Mine can become "smart" if I buy a Roku wireless streaming stick that
plugs into the TV's USB port.* It's a 65" and I bought it before
having
Internet connectivity became built-in on most TVs.* Accessing the
'net
via the PS4 is just as effective and it works fine.* I just don't
watch
TV enough to warrant buying another TV just for built-in Internet
connectivity.* Most of the time I just use a little 23" HD TV that
sits
on my desk beside my computer monitor.


Just hook an old PC to it. With a 2.4gz wireless mouse you end up with
a TV that is a whole lot smarter than the ones sold as smart. We have
both here. The PC connected wins every time in every category.
The best combo seems to be my "travel" laptop connected to some no
name TV. When the lap top turns off the TV goes to sleep and I have it
set to hibernate when you close the lid. Open the lid, the pc comes to
life and the TV comes on.
You can get to any streaming service that way along with being able to
play music or look at your pictures using whatever PC app you like.



I don't collect or save old PCs.* When they crap out or become so
obsolete they can't run current apps efficiently I buy a new one.* I
"do" have an older Win 7 laptop that I no longer use regularly but I
keep it as a backup or possible traveling computer.* Somewhere I
have an
old XP laptop as well but it is painfully slow compared to Win 7 and
Win
10.* I wouldn't even bother with it.


Those are plenty fast enough to stream TV and if you reloaded it back
to what it was when you bought it, it would be as fast as it was then.
Most "old and slow" PCs are just slow because they are loaded up with
useless software, spyware and other barnacles you collect over the
years. PCs make TVs smart and I have been doing it for close to 20
years. At first you needed a TV-out card but these days TVs have VGA
ports and newer PCs have HDMI ports. They are naturals for each other.
I would suggest your travel lap top for the TV. Then once you have
that all set up, when you travel, you can hijack the TV wherever you
go.
The only time it is a problem is in a "Lodge Net TV" hotel. They have
special TVs that I have not been able to hack into. You also find out
the free WiFi is not fast enough to stream.
When we rent houses, that is never a problem.



Back in the days when I traveled and did system installs, I was
staying in hotels and always had my traveling toolkit with me.
Typically, the hotel TV's picture looked like crap and the adjustments
were behind a screwed-down door to prevent the average joe from
messing with them.* I took care of that issue on the first night.



Me too.* Used to drive me nuts. Seems like they set them up in "Vivid"
or store display mode.

Now a days, you need to carry a pair of channel locks and your
favorite shower head. Just don't forget it when you leave.
Mikek


You notice that in countries like Costa Rica. No low flow shower heads.



First thing I do when I replace a shower head is remove the flow
restrictor. Helps a little. Restrictors are fine for the sinks but not
for the shower, IMO.

My current house has a separate shower and tub. I wish the shower had
the water supply the tub has. It must be fed with 3/4 inch pipe. When
I need to refill the humidifier I can fill a gallon jug of water from
the tub faucet in 10 seconds flat using cold water only. It's even
faster if I use both hot and cold. Takes 60 seconds or more from the
kitchen sink faucet.

Mr. Luddite[_4_] February 27th 18 09:06 PM

Amazon prime TV
 
On 2/27/2018 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 13:49:43 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/27/2018 1:17 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:36:00 -0600, amdx wrote:

I have 30Mbps

I often wonder how that translates to the real world. I had a lot of
conversations with various tech support groups leading up to switching
my web host and the problems that prompted that.
The consensus was running a speed test to your ISPs test site was
meaningless other than what the max is you can get. When you go to 3d
party sites, that is a test of your servers and their servers but the
real issue is what you can actually get when talking to a web site or
other service. I know my news server is not even close to being able
to keep my 10mb pipe full. I have also had times when Amazon was not
able to keep a stream going without buffering, even tho I still had
plenty of capacity on my end. (I could start a Netflix). It was just a
new show on Prime and I am guessing they were slammed.
That huge capacity may be good for multiple users hitting multiple
byte hungry sites but I am not sure it is of a lot of value for 1 or 2
users. My wife's place was running the whole club on one Comcast line
and they finally had to buy another one, not because of throughput but
simply because one IP address could not support the number of unique
sub net IPs they had on the LAN. Granted all of them were not
streaming cat videos on Facebook but it was more than a few.



Years ago when we wintered in Florida we had DSL because cable was not
available. It worked ok but videos and HD media was not as
popular and as heavily downloaded back then. When I opened the guitar
shop in 2009 the building was not wired for cable so I had to get DSL
again. That's when I really starting to notice the difference between
the shop's DSL Internet speed and the speed of Comcast cable we had at
the house.

I used to update the shop's website daily and the program I used
reloaded all of the website's content which would take forever on DSL.
I ended up doing it at home after the shop closed. On cable the
complete site would upload in less than 30 seconds. At the shop it
sometimes took 5-10 minutes and often it would hang up and I'd have to
start all over again.

There is a difference, especially when more and more devices are added.
Now with two or cell phones constantly connected, multiple computers,
tablets, Smart TVs, etc., I can't see how DSL can be quick enough, but I
don't have it anymore so I don't know.



===

DSL was always much slower on upload compared to download if I recall
correctly. It was a feature. :-)


I think that's true of cable also. But here's something I found
interesting when I did the speed tests to compare the AT&T WiFi in the
truck and Comcast WiFi. AT&T's uploads were always a bit faster than
the downloads. Maybe it's because the download speeds were very slow in
comparison.



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