WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/18 4:30 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:48:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet only one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?

First "society" is not really similar at all and I suppose the answer
you are looking for is we have no real connection between mental
health services and any other regulatory agency.
A person can be a ticking time bomb, walking among us, well armed and
the doctors are prohibited by law to warn anyone.
Part of that is, nobody trusts doctors to give unbiased opinions. The
other part is, people with perceived mental problems will be severely
discriminated against and not just by gun dealers.


Really? There is plenty of violence in Western European countries. A
difference is that guns are not so readily available there, and the
deranged usually don't end up shooting up schools, churches, parking
lots, shopping malls. Sure, shootings happen there, but the occurrences
are rare.

And, of course, you are wrong about mental health professionals or
doctors being prohibited from providing warnings. And, of course, you
are also wrong about "nobody trusts doctors." This is just your
anti-formal-education bull**** rising up again.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/18 4:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:56:28 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Seems there are some problems even in the FBI.Â* Why wasn't he
questioned?Â* Why didn't they do something?

An FBI spokesperson said the bureau was not able to identity the person
who left that post on the blog. Hard to question an individual you
cannot identify, eh?

Since he was posting with his real name*(according to CNN), why was
that so hard for them? These are the guys who say they can trace the
DNC hack back to a particular building in Russia from crumbs so
ambiguous that it strains credibility but they can't find a guy,
registered, using his own name in a blog? Really? I guess throwing a
little dirt on Trump is more important than 17 dead kids.
I am beginning to think the FBI has become the Keystone cops.


I reported what the FBI said. I don't know the circumstances. Neither do
you.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.


I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans, plastic
soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed right-wing
rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles unless they blow
up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is through-bolted to concrete.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/18 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.



The FBI says the blogger in question was a person living in Mississippi
who had no connection to the shooter, and spelled his first name
differently. The last name, Cruz, is a very common one among the Latino
communities.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/2018 5:03 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:52:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."


Except he was registered in his real name., That should have been a
clue.



I think 'ol Harry is just giving the FBI a pass. After all, they gave
Hillary a pass, despite overwhelming evidence so they must be good.

BTW ... I put Harry back in my bozo bin. His lack of empathy for those
poor kids getting killed in Florida as demonstrated by immediately
turning it into a political, anti-Trump rant was the last straw for me.
He's an asshole. Period.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:30 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:48:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet only one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?

First "society" is not really similar at all and I suppose the answer
you are looking for is we have no real connection between mental
health services and any other regulatory agency.
A person can be a ticking time bomb, walking among us, well armed and
the doctors are prohibited by law to warn anyone.
Part of that is, nobody trusts doctors to give unbiased opinions. The
other part is, people with perceived mental problems will be severely
discriminated against and not just by gun dealers.


Really? There is plenty of violence in Western European countries. A
difference is that guns are not so readily available there, and the
deranged usually don't end up shooting up schools, churches, parking
lots, shopping malls. Sure, shootings happen there, but the occurrences
are rare.

And, of course, you are wrong about mental health professionals or
doctors being prohibited from providing warnings. And, of course, you
are also wrong about "nobody trusts doctors." This is just your
anti-formal-education bull**** rising up again.


No, Europe uses cars and trucks running down people. Bombs. A bunch of
bombs.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 5:20:15 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.



The FBI says the blogger in question was a person living in Mississippi
who had no connection to the shooter, and spelled his first name
differently. The last name, Cruz, is a very common one among the Latino
communities.

It wasn't the Mississippi blogger that made the comment, it was Cruz that made the comment on the blogger's youtube channel. The spelling of the first name was the same, according to the news reports that I'm reading. The FBI could have traced the commenter (Cruz, the shooter) based on his info from Google/Youtube.

Holy cow, you really don't have a clue about what you're whining about, do you?

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 11:19:32 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Thursday, 15 February 2018 12:15:02 UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 11:01 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/14/18 8:48 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/14/18 6:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

The hatred and division of adults are obviously affecting the
younger people.Â* Horrible event in Florida.

Maybe is proof mental health professionals suck.


I think the problems we have here in the USA is cultural and is
multi-faceted.Â* They include:

Dependence on social media for interaction with others.Â* Social media
removes real human interaction and creates an artificial world with
little emotional feedback.Â* Hell, the expression of normal body language
has been replaced by "emoticons".

Too many or too strict privacy laws.Â* HIPAA laws should be revised to
allow medical and mental health professionals to alert law enforcement
of suspected threats by those with aggressive tendencies or who
represent a danger to to society.

Parental responsibility for teaching and disciplining of kids has
increasingly been shifted to their teachers and schools.Â* Schools are
for academic learning, not for raising kids. Now-a-days parents don't
always support the school systems or rules.Â* They sue them if they
think little Johnny has been mistreated.

Far too much of an "entitlement" philosophy today.Â* A feeling of
unfulfilled entitlement leads to frustration, and confusion.Â* We need
to re-enforce the concept of self responsibility and accountability.
Need to reign in some of the liberal preaching in schools.

Too easy to acquire assault type rifles.Â* Most states have a legal age
for "long guns" of 18 years but 21 years for handguns.Â* Most of these
mass shootings are done with assault type rifles.

But, of course, the immediate reaction by the DC crowd focuses only on
gun control.



Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet only one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?


We are the only ones massively drugging our kids?


Maybe it is because we are the only western country in which there is
such easy access to guns. Ever consider that?

Bingo!
Crazy gun culture and unstable youth = trouble.

You really underestimate the ingenuity of the American psychopath.
They use guns because they are lazy but there are very capable bomb
recipes on the internet and that is just scratching the surface of the
mayhem a determined person could bring to bear.
There are lots of things that can go bang if you put them in the right
container.
It is scary how easy it is to buy acetylene or chlorine gas.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/15/2018 9:50 AM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/15/2018 9:13 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 8:30:43 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite
wrote:
On 2/14/18 8:48 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/14/18 6:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

The hatred and division of adults are obviously affecting
the
younger people. Horrible event in Florida.

Maybe is proof mental health professionals suck.


I think the problems we have here in the USA is cultural and is
multi-faceted. They include:

Dependence on social media for interaction with others. Social media
removes real human interaction and creates an artificial world with
little emotional feedback. Hell, the expression of normal body
language
has been replaced by "emoticons".

Too many or too strict privacy laws. HIPAA laws should be
revised to
allow medical and mental health professionals to alert law
enforcement
of suspected threats by those with aggressive tendencies or who
represent a danger to to society.

Parental responsibility for teaching and disciplining of kids has
increasingly been shifted to their teachers and schools. Schools
are
for academic learning, not for raising kids. Now-a-days parents
don't
always support the school systems or rules. They sue them if they
think little Johnny has been mistreated.

Far too much of an "entitlement" philosophy today. A feeling of
unfulfilled entitlement leads to frustration, and confusion. We
need
to re-enforce the concept of self responsibility and accountability.
Need to reign in some of the liberal preaching in schools.

Too easy to acquire assault type rifles. Most states have a
legal age
for "long guns" of 18 years but 21 years for handguns. Most of these
mass shootings are done with assault type rifles.

But, of course, the immediate reaction by the DC crowd focuses
only on
gun control.

There has been a paradigm shift in parenting in this country in
the last
few decades, foisted on us by child psychologists and the well
meaning
but misguided left. We can't urge our children to win, we have to
nurture them and give them participation trophies. No spanking,
just
talk to them like you're their friend. No keeping score, and no
red ink
on school papers. Can't make that child feel bad, why, they are
entitled to have it all!

Well guess what. Your job as a parent is NOT to be your child's
friend.
It is to teach them how to be a well-adjusted kid and adult. If
you
and society have shielded them all their lives, when the real world
smacks them in the face they may just snap.



Stealing Don's line, "I wholeheartedly agree with this post".


This kid was reported a year ago for posting he was going to be a
professional school shooter. Why was he not monitored? Guns maybe be
part of the problem, but they were not hard to get when I was a
kid. Lot
easier to legally acquire. Why not the same gun problems then?
Guns are
a tool of the warped people, not the reason. We need to find a cure
for
the reason, not take tools away.


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post
made by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school
shooter" to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI
immediately met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and
that's the last he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

An FBI spokesperson said the bureau was not able to identity the
person who left that post on the blog. Hard to question an individual
you cannot identify, eh?

He used his REAL name.