WTF is going on in this country?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 11:01 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/14/18 8:48 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/14/18 6:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

The hatred and division of adults are obviously affecting the
younger people.Â* Horrible event in Florida.

Maybe is proof mental health professionals suck.


I think the problems we have here in the USA is cultural and is
multi-faceted.Â* They include:

Dependence on social media for interaction with others.Â* Social media
removes real human interaction and creates an artificial world with
little emotional feedback.Â* Hell, the expression of normal body language
has been replaced by "emoticons".

Too many or too strict privacy laws.Â* HIPAA laws should be revised to
allow medical and mental health professionals to alert law enforcement
of suspected threats by those with aggressive tendencies or who
represent a danger to to society.

Parental responsibility for teaching and disciplining of kids has
increasingly been shifted to their teachers and schools.Â* Schools are
for academic learning, not for raising kids. Now-a-days parents don't
always support the school systems or rules.Â* They sue them if they
think little Johnny has been mistreated.

Far too much of an "entitlement" philosophy today.Â* A feeling of
unfulfilled entitlement leads to frustration, and confusion.Â* We need
to re-enforce the concept of self responsibility and accountability.
Need to reign in some of the liberal preaching in schools.

Too easy to acquire assault type rifles.Â* Most states have a legal age
for "long guns" of 18 years but 21 years for handguns.Â* Most of these
mass shootings are done with assault type rifles.

But, of course, the immediate reaction by the DC crowd focuses only on
gun control.



Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet only one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?


We are the only ones massively drugging our kids?


Maybe it is because we are the only western country in which there is
such easy access to guns. Ever consider that?


We had even more access to firearms 50 years ago. Where were al� the mass
shootings?

WTF is going on in this country?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."




They can trace a Russian Hacker directly to Trump. Why not trace a blog
post?

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 11:41:31 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Thursday, 15 February 2018 15:29:41 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 11:19:32 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Thursday, 15 February 2018 12:15:02 UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 11:01 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/14/18 8:48 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/14/18 6:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

The hatred and division of adults are obviously affecting the
younger people.* Horrible event in Florida.

Maybe is proof mental health professionals suck.


I think the problems we have here in the USA is cultural and is
multi-faceted.* They include:

Dependence on social media for interaction with others.* Social media
removes real human interaction and creates an artificial world with
little emotional feedback.* Hell, the expression of normal body language
has been replaced by "emoticons".

Too many or too strict privacy laws.* HIPAA laws should be revised to
allow medical and mental health professionals to alert law enforcement
of suspected threats by those with aggressive tendencies or who
represent a danger to to society.

Parental responsibility for teaching and disciplining of kids has
increasingly been shifted to their teachers and schools.* Schools are
for academic learning, not for raising kids. Now-a-days parents don't
always support the school systems or rules.* They sue them if they
think little Johnny has been mistreated.

Far too much of an "entitlement" philosophy today.* A feeling of
unfulfilled entitlement leads to frustration, and confusion.* We need
to re-enforce the concept of self responsibility and accountability.
Need to reign in some of the liberal preaching in schools.

Too easy to acquire assault type rifles.* Most states have a legal age
for "long guns" of 18 years but 21 years for handguns.* Most of these
mass shootings are done with assault type rifles.

But, of course, the immediate reaction by the DC crowd focuses only on
gun control.



Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet only one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?


We are the only ones massively drugging our kids?


Maybe it is because we are the only western country in which there is
such easy access to guns. Ever consider that?

Bingo!
Crazy gun culture and unstable youth = trouble.

Just for you, donnie -- https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/...QxitHC7uw.jpeg


Bizarre! Every picture you've posted since returning from your Goofy Cruise has been of the back end of an animal. If this your 'new hobby' JohnnyMop?

Only when very appropriate.

So, all blacks who don't like Trump are racists?

Your logic.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/18 2:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/15/2018 1:30 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:38:55 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:54:04 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



Because mental health services are not available to youngsters most in
need? You certainly have all the simple-minded nonsense down pat.

Actually Cruz was "in treatment" but Hippa laws prevent us really
hearing any details and he did not seem to be on the local police
radar, although the FBI knew about him from 2 threat reports. I guess
they were too busy investigating trump to spend any time alerting
local authorities. It was still not enough to flag him in the
background check system. So much for those background checks you think
will solve all of our problems.

The FBI also should have known him from the youtube comment where he
used his own name.



What gets me is that if a parent takes their kid to the doctor with a
bruise and the doc has any suspicion at all that the parent may be
responsible for the bruise, the Department of Social Services may be
contacted and authorized to take custody of the kid until an
investigation is done.

If a dog owner leaves a dog locked in a hot car during the summer the
dog can be taken for safe keeping and the owner charged with animal
cruelty.

But if a person demonstrates a violent personality with the potential to
cause harm to someone to a shrink or therapist, the shrink or therapist
can't say anything.Â* They just prescribe some anti-depressants and
schedule another session for next week.



You are remarkably uninformed on mental health issues for someone who
keeps commenting on them.

There are laws in most states that require a therapist to contact
authorities if a patient is a danger to him/herself, to others, and/or
if the therapist suspects that a known child is being abused. If the
patient is a minor, the parents must be informed, too. Every licensed
therapist requires new patients to sign a consent form that clearly
explains the obligation to report.

In your state of Massachusetts, the therapist must contact authorities
if "the patient has communicated to the licensed mental health
professional an explicit threat to kill or inflict serious bodily injury
upon a reasonably identified victim or victims and the patient has the
apparent intent and ability to carry out the threat, or (b) the patient
has a history of physical violence which is known to the licensed mental
health professional and the licensed mental health professional has a
reasonable basis to believe that there is a clear and present danger
that the patient will attempt to kill or inflict serious bodily injury
against a reasonably identified victim or victims..."

Yes, the threat must be explicit and a potential target must be
reasonably identified. Saying you are going to "kill someone" probably
isn't enough. Saying you are going to kill five people at the local high
school probably is enough.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/18 2:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/15/2018 2:19 PM, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 15 February 2018 12:15:02 UTC-4, Keyser SozeÂ* wrote:
On 2/15/18 11:01 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/14/18 8:48 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/14/18 6:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

The hatred and division of adults are obviously affecting the
younger people.Â* Horrible event in Florida.

Maybe is proof mental health professionals suck.


I think the problems we have here in the USA is cultural and is
multi-faceted.Â* They include:

Dependence on social media for interaction with others.Â* Social media
removes real human interaction and creates an artificial world with
little emotional feedback.Â* Hell, the expression of normal body
language
has been replaced by "emoticons".

Too many or too strict privacy laws.Â* HIPAA laws should be revised to
allow medical and mental health professionals to alert law
enforcement
of suspected threats by those with aggressive tendencies or who
represent a danger to to society.

Parental responsibility for teaching and disciplining of kids has
increasingly been shifted to their teachers and schools.Â* Schools are
for academic learning, not for raising kids. Now-a-days parents don't
always support the school systems or rules.Â* They sue them if they
think little Johnny has been mistreated.

Far too much of an "entitlement" philosophy today.Â* A feeling of
unfulfilled entitlement leads to frustration, and confusion.Â* We need
to re-enforce the concept of self responsibility and accountability.
Need to reign in some of the liberal preaching in schools.

Too easy to acquire assault type rifles.Â* Most states have a legal
age
for "long guns" of 18 years but 21 years for handguns.Â* Most of these
mass shootings are done with assault type rifles.

But, of course, the immediate reaction by the DC crowd focuses
only on
gun control.



Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet
only one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under
discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?


We are the only ones massively drugging our kids?


Maybe it is because we are the only western country in which there is
such easy access to guns. Ever consider that?

Bingo!
Crazy gun culture and unstable youth = trouble.



Focus on the unstable youth.Â* It's really the problem, not guns.


Every western country has unstable youth. Why don't those countries have
the number of school mass killings that we do?

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:48:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet only one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?

First "society" is not really similar at all and I suppose the answer
you are looking for is we have no real connection between mental
health services and any other regulatory agency.
A person can be a ticking time bomb, walking among us, well armed and
the doctors are prohibited by law to warn anyone.
Part of that is, nobody trusts doctors to give unbiased opinions. The
other part is, people with perceived mental problems will be severely
discriminated against and not just by gun dealers.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:56:28 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Seems there are some problems even in the FBI.Â* Why wasn't he
questioned?Â* Why didn't they do something?

An FBI spokesperson said the bureau was not able to identity the person
who left that post on the blog. Hard to question an individual you
cannot identify, eh?

Since he was posting with his real name*(according to CNN), why was
that so hard for them? These are the guys who say they can trace the
DNC hack back to a particular building in Russia from crumbs so
ambiguous that it strains credibility but they can't find a guy,
registered, using his own name in a blog? Really? I guess throwing a
little dirt on Trump is more important than 17 dead kids.
I am beginning to think the FBI has become the Keystone cops.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 11:15:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 11:01 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:

Which country is that, and what is different about it?


We are the only ones massively drugging our kids?


Maybe it is because we are the only western country in which there is
such easy access to guns. Ever consider that?

We murder more people with our bare hands than most of those European
places you hold so dear. In fact that is also more than get killed
with rifles, all kinds, assault or otherwise.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:52:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."


Except he was registered in his real name., That should have been a
clue.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/18 4:30 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:48:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet only one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?

First "society" is not really similar at all and I suppose the answer
you are looking for is we have no real connection between mental
health services and any other regulatory agency.
A person can be a ticking time bomb, walking among us, well armed and
the doctors are prohibited by law to warn anyone.
Part of that is, nobody trusts doctors to give unbiased opinions. The
other part is, people with perceived mental problems will be severely
discriminated against and not just by gun dealers.


Really? There is plenty of violence in Western European countries. A
difference is that guns are not so readily available there, and the
deranged usually don't end up shooting up schools, churches, parking
lots, shopping malls. Sure, shootings happen there, but the occurrences
are rare.

And, of course, you are wrong about mental health professionals or
doctors being prohibited from providing warnings. And, of course, you
are also wrong about "nobody trusts doctors." This is just your
anti-formal-education bull**** rising up again.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/18 4:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:56:28 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Seems there are some problems even in the FBI.Â* Why wasn't he
questioned?Â* Why didn't they do something?

An FBI spokesperson said the bureau was not able to identity the person
who left that post on the blog. Hard to question an individual you
cannot identify, eh?

Since he was posting with his real name*(according to CNN), why was
that so hard for them? These are the guys who say they can trace the
DNC hack back to a particular building in Russia from crumbs so
ambiguous that it strains credibility but they can't find a guy,
registered, using his own name in a blog? Really? I guess throwing a
little dirt on Trump is more important than 17 dead kids.
I am beginning to think the FBI has become the Keystone cops.


I reported what the FBI said. I don't know the circumstances. Neither do
you.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.


I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans, plastic
soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed right-wing
rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles unless they blow
up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is through-bolted to concrete.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/18 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.



The FBI says the blogger in question was a person living in Mississippi
who had no connection to the shooter, and spelled his first name
differently. The last name, Cruz, is a very common one among the Latino
communities.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/2018 5:03 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:52:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."


Except he was registered in his real name., That should have been a
clue.



I think 'ol Harry is just giving the FBI a pass. After all, they gave
Hillary a pass, despite overwhelming evidence so they must be good.

BTW ... I put Harry back in my bozo bin. His lack of empathy for those
poor kids getting killed in Florida as demonstrated by immediately
turning it into a political, anti-Trump rant was the last straw for me.
He's an asshole. Period.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:30 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:48:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet only one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?

First "society" is not really similar at all and I suppose the answer
you are looking for is we have no real connection between mental
health services and any other regulatory agency.
A person can be a ticking time bomb, walking among us, well armed and
the doctors are prohibited by law to warn anyone.
Part of that is, nobody trusts doctors to give unbiased opinions. The
other part is, people with perceived mental problems will be severely
discriminated against and not just by gun dealers.


Really? There is plenty of violence in Western European countries. A
difference is that guns are not so readily available there, and the
deranged usually don't end up shooting up schools, churches, parking
lots, shopping malls. Sure, shootings happen there, but the occurrences
are rare.

And, of course, you are wrong about mental health professionals or
doctors being prohibited from providing warnings. And, of course, you
are also wrong about "nobody trusts doctors." This is just your
anti-formal-education bull**** rising up again.


No, Europe uses cars and trucks running down people. Bombs. A bunch of
bombs.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 5:20:15 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.



The FBI says the blogger in question was a person living in Mississippi
who had no connection to the shooter, and spelled his first name
differently. The last name, Cruz, is a very common one among the Latino
communities.

It wasn't the Mississippi blogger that made the comment, it was Cruz that made the comment on the blogger's youtube channel. The spelling of the first name was the same, according to the news reports that I'm reading. The FBI could have traced the commenter (Cruz, the shooter) based on his info from Google/Youtube.

Holy cow, you really don't have a clue about what you're whining about, do you?

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 11:19:32 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Thursday, 15 February 2018 12:15:02 UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 11:01 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/14/18 8:48 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/14/18 6:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

The hatred and division of adults are obviously affecting the
younger people.Â* Horrible event in Florida.

Maybe is proof mental health professionals suck.


I think the problems we have here in the USA is cultural and is
multi-faceted.Â* They include:

Dependence on social media for interaction with others.Â* Social media
removes real human interaction and creates an artificial world with
little emotional feedback.Â* Hell, the expression of normal body language
has been replaced by "emoticons".

Too many or too strict privacy laws.Â* HIPAA laws should be revised to
allow medical and mental health professionals to alert law enforcement
of suspected threats by those with aggressive tendencies or who
represent a danger to to society.

Parental responsibility for teaching and disciplining of kids has
increasingly been shifted to their teachers and schools.Â* Schools are
for academic learning, not for raising kids. Now-a-days parents don't
always support the school systems or rules.Â* They sue them if they
think little Johnny has been mistreated.

Far too much of an "entitlement" philosophy today.Â* A feeling of
unfulfilled entitlement leads to frustration, and confusion.Â* We need
to re-enforce the concept of self responsibility and accountability.
Need to reign in some of the liberal preaching in schools.

Too easy to acquire assault type rifles.Â* Most states have a legal age
for "long guns" of 18 years but 21 years for handguns.Â* Most of these
mass shootings are done with assault type rifles.

But, of course, the immediate reaction by the DC crowd focuses only on
gun control.



Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet only one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?


We are the only ones massively drugging our kids?


Maybe it is because we are the only western country in which there is
such easy access to guns. Ever consider that?

Bingo!
Crazy gun culture and unstable youth = trouble.

You really underestimate the ingenuity of the American psychopath.
They use guns because they are lazy but there are very capable bomb
recipes on the internet and that is just scratching the surface of the
mayhem a determined person could bring to bear.
There are lots of things that can go bang if you put them in the right
container.
It is scary how easy it is to buy acetylene or chlorine gas.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/15/2018 9:50 AM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/15/2018 9:13 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 8:30:43 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite
wrote:
On 2/14/18 8:48 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/14/18 6:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

The hatred and division of adults are obviously affecting
the
younger people. Horrible event in Florida.

Maybe is proof mental health professionals suck.


I think the problems we have here in the USA is cultural and is
multi-faceted. They include:

Dependence on social media for interaction with others. Social media
removes real human interaction and creates an artificial world with
little emotional feedback. Hell, the expression of normal body
language
has been replaced by "emoticons".

Too many or too strict privacy laws. HIPAA laws should be
revised to
allow medical and mental health professionals to alert law
enforcement
of suspected threats by those with aggressive tendencies or who
represent a danger to to society.

Parental responsibility for teaching and disciplining of kids has
increasingly been shifted to their teachers and schools. Schools
are
for academic learning, not for raising kids. Now-a-days parents
don't
always support the school systems or rules. They sue them if they
think little Johnny has been mistreated.

Far too much of an "entitlement" philosophy today. A feeling of
unfulfilled entitlement leads to frustration, and confusion. We
need
to re-enforce the concept of self responsibility and accountability.
Need to reign in some of the liberal preaching in schools.

Too easy to acquire assault type rifles. Most states have a
legal age
for "long guns" of 18 years but 21 years for handguns. Most of these
mass shootings are done with assault type rifles.

But, of course, the immediate reaction by the DC crowd focuses
only on
gun control.

There has been a paradigm shift in parenting in this country in
the last
few decades, foisted on us by child psychologists and the well
meaning
but misguided left. We can't urge our children to win, we have to
nurture them and give them participation trophies. No spanking,
just
talk to them like you're their friend. No keeping score, and no
red ink
on school papers. Can't make that child feel bad, why, they are
entitled to have it all!

Well guess what. Your job as a parent is NOT to be your child's
friend.
It is to teach them how to be a well-adjusted kid and adult. If
you
and society have shielded them all their lives, when the real world
smacks them in the face they may just snap.



Stealing Don's line, "I wholeheartedly agree with this post".


This kid was reported a year ago for posting he was going to be a
professional school shooter. Why was he not monitored? Guns maybe be
part of the problem, but they were not hard to get when I was a
kid. Lot
easier to legally acquire. Why not the same gun problems then?
Guns are
a tool of the warped people, not the reason. We need to find a cure
for
the reason, not take tools away.


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post
made by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school
shooter" to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI
immediately met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and
that's the last he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

An FBI spokesperson said the bureau was not able to identity the
person who left that post on the blog. Hard to question an individual
you cannot identify, eh?

He used his REAL name.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 11:01 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/14/18 8:48 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/14/18 6:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

The hatred and division of adults are obviously affecting the
younger people. Horrible event in Florida.

Maybe is proof mental health professionals suck.


I think the problems we have here in the USA is cultural and is
multi-faceted. They include:

Dependence on social media for interaction with others. Social media
removes real human interaction and creates an artificial world with
little emotional feedback. Hell, the expression of normal body
language
has been replaced by "emoticons".

Too many or too strict privacy laws. HIPAA laws should be revised to
allow medical and mental health professionals to alert law enforcement
of suspected threats by those with aggressive tendencies or who
represent a danger to to society.

Parental responsibility for teaching and disciplining of kids has
increasingly been shifted to their teachers and schools. Schools are
for academic learning, not for raising kids. Now-a-days parents don't
always support the school systems or rules. They sue them if they
think little Johnny has been mistreated.

Far too much of an "entitlement" philosophy today. A feeling of
unfulfilled entitlement leads to frustration, and confusion. We need
to re-enforce the concept of self responsibility and accountability.
Need to reign in some of the liberal preaching in schools.

Too easy to acquire assault type rifles. Most states have a legal age
for "long guns" of 18 years but 21 years for handguns. Most of these
mass shootings are done with assault type rifles.

But, of course, the immediate reaction by the DC crowd focuses only on
gun control.



Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet only
one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?


We are the only ones massively drugging our kids?


Maybe it is because we are the only western country in which there is
such easy access to guns. Ever consider that?


Unrelated.

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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/15/2018 1:30 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:38:55 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:54:04 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



Because mental health services are not available to youngsters most in
need? You certainly have all the simple-minded nonsense down pat.

Actually Cruz was "in treatment" but Hippa laws prevent us really
hearing any details and he did not seem to be on the local police
radar, although the FBI knew about him from 2 threat reports. I guess
they were too busy investigating trump to spend any time alerting
local authorities. It was still not enough to flag him in the
background check system. So much for those background checks you think
will solve all of our problems.

The FBI also should have known him from the youtube comment where he
used his own name.



What gets me is that if a parent takes their kid to the doctor with a
bruise and the doc has any suspicion at all that the parent may be
responsible for the bruise, the Department of Social Services may be
contacted and authorized to take custody of the kid until an
investigation is done.

If a dog owner leaves a dog locked in a hot car during the summer the
dog can be taken for safe keeping and the owner charged with animal
cruelty.

But if a person demonstrates a violent personality with the potential
to cause harm to someone to a shrink or therapist, the shrink or
therapist can't say anything. They just prescribe some
anti-depressants and schedule another session for next week.




Well said.

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:06:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 4:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:56:28 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Seems there are some problems even in the FBI.Â* Why wasn't he
questioned?Â* Why didn't they do something?

An FBI spokesperson said the bureau was not able to identity the person
who left that post on the blog. Hard to question an individual you
cannot identify, eh?

Since he was posting with his real name*(according to CNN), why was
that so hard for them? These are the guys who say they can trace the
DNC hack back to a particular building in Russia from crumbs so
ambiguous that it strains credibility but they can't find a guy,
registered, using his own name in a blog? Really? I guess throwing a
little dirt on Trump is more important than 17 dead kids.
I am beginning to think the FBI has become the Keystone cops.


I reported what the FBI said. I don't know the circumstances. Neither do
you.
I know what Google knows when you log into one of their sites.
I had tracking software on my machine that displays a map of the
cookies they sniff and where that takes them. Any google site created
a web that would make a spider proud.
You need to be registered and logged in to post a comment on You Tube.
If the FBI wanted to know more about this guy all they had to do was
serve Google with a warrant (or maybe just ask) and they might have
actually got a google map to his house.

Facebook is not nearly as intrusive as Google and when I signed my dog
up to Facebook, no reference to me at all, they suggested "friends" I
have not talked to since high school. It was really scary. The only
thing that makes sense to me is they hacked my AOL address book, even
though I used a different Email address. (one I created for Ed and was
never used before)
BTW you were on the list.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but
it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill
someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use
a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.


I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans,
plastic soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed right-wing
rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles unless they blow
up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is through-bolted to concrete.


Unless it's a tiny safe, you don't own a safe. Mine is just over 1500lbs.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:20:11 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.



The FBI says the blogger in question was a person living in Mississippi
who had no connection to the shooter, and spelled his first name
differently. The last name, Cruz, is a very common one among the Latino
communities.

If he told them about the post, they should have started there and
escalated through Google. How many times are we going to give the
social media company a pass when these guys announce what they are
going to do and nobody looks into it?
If you ask Google about anything that flows through one of their
servers, they have lots of data about it, more than they even want to
admit. At the very least they would have the IP address he posted from
and all the information he used to register, along with every other
thing they sniffed from that information. It would certainly get you
to the East coast of Florida, even if he was at an internet cafe. If
he was at home, you could just drive over there using directions from
google maps. That is particularly true if he posted from a phone.
As for what they know, I don't remember the add on I had on my Firefox
but it gave you a web that is created from snooping by web sites you
visit. I finally took it off because it was slowing my machine down
drawing all these links.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/18 8:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:06:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 4:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:56:28 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Seems there are some problems even in the FBI.Â* Why wasn't he
questioned?Â* Why didn't they do something?

An FBI spokesperson said the bureau was not able to identity the person
who left that post on the blog. Hard to question an individual you
cannot identify, eh?

Since he was posting with his real name*(according to CNN), why was
that so hard for them? These are the guys who say they can trace the
DNC hack back to a particular building in Russia from crumbs so
ambiguous that it strains credibility but they can't find a guy,
registered, using his own name in a blog? Really? I guess throwing a
little dirt on Trump is more important than 17 dead kids.
I am beginning to think the FBI has become the Keystone cops.


I reported what the FBI said. I don't know the circumstances. Neither do
you.
I know what Google knows when you log into one of their sites.
I had tracking software on my machine that displays a map of the
cookies they sniff and where that takes them. Any google site created
a web that would make a spider proud.
You need to be registered and logged in to post a comment on You Tube.
If the FBI wanted to know more about this guy all they had to do was
serve Google with a warrant (or maybe just ask) and they might have
actually got a google map to his house.

Facebook is not nearly as intrusive as Google and when I signed my dog
up to Facebook, no reference to me at all, they suggested "friends" I
have not talked to since high school. It was really scary. The only
thing that makes sense to me is they hacked my AOL address book, even
though I used a different Email address. (one I created for Ed and was
never used before)
BTW you were on the list.


Yawn. I reported what the FBI said. I don't know the circumstances.
Neither do you.

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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/14/18 6:04 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/14/18 5:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/14/2018 5:25 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/14/18 5:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

The hatred and division of adults are obviously affecting the younger
people. Horrible event in Florida.


Did Trump tweet his "thoughts and prayers" yet?

https://www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com/


**** you asshole.


Oh...don't you think "thoughts and prayers" are enough? Should we be
doing something else? What do you think we should do?




Maybe ban all the RAP and movies glorifying the use of terror in everyday
living?


The same music and movies are available in all modern democracies around
the world, yet this is the country that has had 18 school shootings this
year. It's not the music and movies.


What's your lady friends best guess as to the reason all these
crazy people are not stopped before they commit these mass
murders.
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On 2/15/18 8:33 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but
it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill
someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use
a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.


I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans,
plastic soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed right-wing
rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles unless they blow
up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is through-bolted to concrete.


Unless it's a tiny safe, you don't own a safe.Â* Mine is just over 1500lbs.

You are *the* ignorant asshole on rec.boats, Alex. I have a Liberty
Safe, a decent brand. It measures 66.5" x 36" x 32", and adequately
stores my small collection of firearms, and much more. I was wrong about
the weight...it weighs 900+ pounds. It is a real safe.

Go pound sand.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/18 8:44 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:20:11 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.



The FBI says the blogger in question was a person living in Mississippi
who had no connection to the shooter, and spelled his first name
differently. The last name, Cruz, is a very common one among the Latino
communities.

If he told them about the post, they should have started there and
escalated through Google.


I forgot...you are the greatest living expert on everything. :)

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:07:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I think the FBI has explained the fact that the "Cruz" who added to the
blog in question was a different "Cruz" who lived in Mississippi.

The FBI's credibility on things like this is nil these days.
They have the shooter, he is talking and if it was him on the blog, it
will come out. The Broward County Sheriffs office is not obligated to
cover for the FBI.

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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."




I guess the fbi was thrown off track by the guy posting with his
real name.
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On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:33:47 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but
it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill
someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use
a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.


I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans,
plastic soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed right-wing
rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles unless they blow
up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is through-bolted to concrete.


Unless it's a tiny safe, you don't own a safe. Mine is just over 1500lbs.

Harry is a high volume dealer but he never has a lot of inventory in
his floor plan. A small safe works for him.
BTW have you ever seen how long the typical "gun safe" holds up to a
determined thief with modern tools?
A diamond blade in a $20 Harbor Fright circular saw will slice through
the side or back of these things in a few minutes. A regular "metal"
cutting carbide blade will defeat most of them.
It is noisy and dusty but effective on just about anything but 1/4"
armor plate. Most are 16ga up to 12ga steel with some kind of cement
board or even fire code drywall between layers.

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"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/15/2018 1:30 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:38:55 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:54:04 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



Because mental health services are not available to youngsters most in
need? You certainly have all the simple-minded nonsense down pat.

Actually Cruz was "in treatment" but Hippa laws prevent us really
hearing any details and he did not seem to be on the local police
radar, although the FBI knew about him from 2 threat reports. I guess
they were too busy investigating trump to spend any time alerting
local authorities. It was still not enough to flag him in the
background check system. So much for those background checks you think
will solve all of our problems.

The FBI also should have known him from the youtube comment where he used his own name.



What gets me is that if a parent takes their kid to the doctor with a
bruise and the doc has any suspicion at all that the parent may be
responsible for the bruise, the Department of Social Services may be
contacted and authorized to take custody of the kid until an
investigation is done.

If a dog owner leaves a dog locked in a hot car during the summer the
dog can be taken for safe keeping and the owner charged with animal cruelty.

But if a person demonstrates a violent personality with the potential to
cause harm to someone to a shrink or therapist, the shrink or therapist
can't say anything. They just prescribe some anti-depressants and
schedule another session for next week.




It's all about the paycheck. They are not known for positively
affecting mental health
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Most are 16ga up to 12ga steel with some kind of cement
board or even fire code drywall between layers.

——-

And don’t forget an old west picture painted on the door

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On 2/15/2018 8:44 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:20:11 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.



The FBI says the blogger in question was a person living in Mississippi
who had no connection to the shooter, and spelled his first name
differently. The last name, Cruz, is a very common one among the Latino
communities.

If he told them about the post, they should have started there and
escalated through Google. How many times are we going to give the
social media company a pass when these guys announce what they are
going to do and nobody looks into it?
If you ask Google about anything that flows through one of their
servers, they have lots of data about it, more than they even want to
admit. At the very least they would have the IP address he posted from
and all the information he used to register, along with every other
thing they sniffed from that information. It would certainly get you
to the East coast of Florida, even if he was at an internet cafe. If
he was at home, you could just drive over there using directions from
google maps. That is particularly true if he posted from a phone.
As for what they know, I don't remember the add on I had on my Firefox
but it gave you a web that is created from snooping by web sites you
visit. I finally took it off because it was slowing my machine down
drawing all these links.



According to news reports Cruz left the school by running along with the
students as if he was escaping from the shooting. He then went to a
Walmart and bought a drink at a Safeway. From there he proceeded to a
McDonald's where a cop arrested him.

Question:

How did the cop know that Cruz was the shooter when he found him at
McDonalds?

Haven't heard any explanation of that.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/2018 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:07:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I think the FBI has explained the fact that the "Cruz" who added to the
blog in question was a different "Cruz" who lived in Mississippi.

The FBI's credibility on things like this is nil these days.
They have the shooter, he is talking and if it was him on the blog, it
will come out. The Broward County Sheriffs office is not obligated to
cover for the FBI.



Again, I am curious to know how the cop knew Cruz was the shooter when
he found him in McDonalds. Cruz escaped from the school by running with
the students as if he was also running from the shooting. Went to a
Walmart, bought a drink, and then went to a McDonalds where he was arrested.

The cop must have had some info as to who to look for.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 05:25:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/15/2018 8:44 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:20:11 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.



The FBI says the blogger in question was a person living in Mississippi
who had no connection to the shooter, and spelled his first name
differently. The last name, Cruz, is a very common one among the Latino
communities.

If he told them about the post, they should have started there and
escalated through Google. How many times are we going to give the
social media company a pass when these guys announce what they are
going to do and nobody looks into it?
If you ask Google about anything that flows through one of their
servers, they have lots of data about it, more than they even want to
admit. At the very least they would have the IP address he posted from
and all the information he used to register, along with every other
thing they sniffed from that information. It would certainly get you
to the East coast of Florida, even if he was at an internet cafe. If
he was at home, you could just drive over there using directions from
google maps. That is particularly true if he posted from a phone.
As for what they know, I don't remember the add on I had on my Firefox
but it gave you a web that is created from snooping by web sites you
visit. I finally took it off because it was slowing my machine down
drawing all these links.



According to news reports Cruz left the school by running along with the
students as if he was escaping from the shooting. He then went to a
Walmart and bought a drink at a Safeway. From there he proceeded to a
McDonald's where a cop arrested him.

Question:

How did the cop know that Cruz was the shooter when he found him at
McDonalds?

Haven't heard any explanation of that.

As he had been a student at the school, wouldn't other students have recognized him?

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/15/18 9:46 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:33:47 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but
it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill
someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use
a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.


I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans,
plastic soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed right-wing
rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles unless they blow
up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is through-bolted to concrete.


Unless it's a tiny safe, you don't own a safe. Mine is just over 1500lbs.

Harry is a high volume dealer but he never has a lot of inventory in
his floor plan. A small safe works for him.
BTW have you ever seen how long the typical "gun safe" holds up to a
determined thief with modern tools?
A diamond blade in a $20 Harbor Fright circular saw will slice through
the side or back of these things in a few minutes. A regular "metal"
cutting carbide blade will defeat most of them.
It is noisy and dusty but effective on just about anything but 1/4"
armor plate. Most are 16ga up to 12ga steel with some kind of cement
board or even fire code drywall between layers.


Well, then, no reason to buy a safe, eh? Because in your world, nothing
can be done about anything. The safe I have uses 11-gauge steel,
whatever that is.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:39:57 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."




I guess the fbi was thrown off track by the guy posting with his
real name.

The FBI is really, really busy trying to prove Trump colluded with Puting to win the election.

Give 'em a break.

WTF is going on in this country?
 

On 2/16/2018 8:05 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 05:25:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/15/2018 8:44 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:20:11 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.



The FBI says the blogger in question was a person living in Mississippi
who had no connection to the shooter, and spelled his first name
differently. The last name, Cruz, is a very common one among the Latino
communities.

If he told them about the post, they should have started there and
escalated through Google. How many times are we going to give the
social media company a pass when these guys announce what they are
going to do and nobody looks into it?
If you ask Google about anything that flows through one of their
servers, they have lots of data about it, more than they even want to
admit. At the very least they would have the IP address he posted from
and all the information he used to register, along with every other
thing they sniffed from that information. It would certainly get you
to the East coast of Florida, even if he was at an internet cafe. If
he was at home, you could just drive over there using directions from
google maps. That is particularly true if he posted from a phone.
As for what they know, I don't remember the add on I had on my Firefox
but it gave you a web that is created from snooping by web sites you
visit. I finally took it off because it was slowing my machine down
drawing all these links.



According to news reports Cruz left the school by running along with the
students as if he was escaping from the shooting. He then went to a
Walmart and bought a drink at a Safeway. From there he proceeded to a
McDonald's where a cop arrested him.

Question:

How did the cop know that Cruz was the shooter when he found him at
McDonalds?

Haven't heard any explanation of that.

As he had been a student at the school, wouldn't other students have recognized him?



Yeah, I realized after I posted the question that one or more students
involved could have identified him or given a description of him to law
enforcement.