Well Harry?
 

Is your party led by Cryin' Chuck and Chocolate Sundae Pelosi gonna
shut down the government today?

Republicans did their part in the House.

Need 60 votes in the Senate. Only four of the usual Republicans are
against. How many Dems will be willing to vote "yes"?

Well Harry?
 

Mr. Luddite

Is your party led by Cryin' Chuck and Chocolate Sundae Pelosi gonna
shut down the government today?

Republicans did their part in the House.

Need 60 votes in the Senate. Only four of the usual Republicans are
against. How many Dems will be willing to vote "yes"?
....

“Make it hurt...�

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/18 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Is your party led by Cryin' Chuck and Chocolate Sundae PelosiÂ* gonna
shut down the government today?

Republicans did their part in the House.

Need 60 votes in the Senate.Â* Only four of the usual Republicans are
against.Â* How many Dems will be willing to vote "yes"?

What? Four Repubs are against? Well, that brings them further away from
60, eh?

As the NY Times reports, "Democrats appear intent on securing
concessions that would, among other things, protect from deportation
young immigrants brought to the country illegally as children, increase
domestic spending, aid Puerto Rico and bolster the government’s response
to the opioid epidemic.

"And they hope that Mr. Trump, scorched by the firestorm prompted by his
vulgar, racially tinged comments on Africa last week, will be forced
back to the negotiating table."

Everything on the Dem list was easily do-able before now, eh?

It's too bad ******** Trump likes to kill programs before has
replacements for them...such as DACA. Is ******** Trump even in town to
negotiate face to face, or is he cheating at golf in Florida?

As to your question, I have no idea what the Dems will do.

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/18 7:58 AM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite

Is your party led by Cryin' Chuck and Chocolate Sundae Pelosi gonna
shut down the government today?

Republicans did their part in the House.

Need 60 votes in the Senate. Only four of the usual Republicans are
against. How many Dems will be willing to vote "yes"?
...

“Make it hurt...�


Go back to sleep, Tim. We'll put in a call on Groundhog Day, so you can
shoot the little critter.

Well Harry?
 

Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Go back to sleep, Tim. We'll put in a call on Groundhog Day, so you can
shoot the little critter.
....

Wake upand pay attention to Richards post instead of blabbing off like a verbal jackhammer.

“Make it hurt�

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/18 9:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Go back to sleep, Tim. We'll put in a call on Groundhog Day, so you can
shoot the little critter.
...

Wake upand pay attention to Richards post instead of blabbing off like a verbal jackhammer.

“Make it hurt�


There was nothing in Richard's post but a plea to support his president
and party. The solution is theirs and is well-known. Too bad the "Great
Dealmaker" is playing solitaire, eh?

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/2018 8:55 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Is your party led by Cryin' Chuck and Chocolate Sundae PelosiÂ* gonna
shut down the government today?

Republicans did their part in the House.

Need 60 votes in the Senate.Â* Only four of the usual Republicans are
against.Â* How many Dems will be willing to vote "yes"?

What? Four Repubs are against? Well, that brings them further away from
60, eh?

As the NY Times reports, "Democrats appear intent on securing
concessions that would, among other things, protect from deportation
young immigrants brought to the country illegally as children, increase
domestic spending, aid Puerto Rico and bolster the government’s response
to the opioid epidemic.

"And they hope that Mr. Trump, scorched by the firestorm prompted by his
vulgar, racially tinged comments on Africa last week, will be forced
back to the negotiating table."

Everything on the Dem list was easily do-able before now, eh?

It's too bad ******** Trump likes to kill programs before has
replacements for them...such as DACA. Is ******** Trump even in town to
negotiate face to face, or is he cheating at golf in Florida?

As to your question, I have no idea what the Dems will do.


Me either. It would be nice to see some genuine cooperation and see our
elected leaders focus on doing their jobs but I fear it will just be
political grandstanding, as usual.

Well Harry?
 

On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 9:15:09 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 9:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Go back to sleep, Tim. We'll put in a call on Groundhog Day, so you can
shoot the little critter.
...

Wake upand pay attention to Richards post instead of blabbing off like a verbal jackhammer.

“Make it hurt�


There was nothing in Richard's post but a plea to support his president
and party. The solution is theirs and is well-known. Too bad the "Great
Dealmaker" is playing solitaire, eh?

Sometimes in dealmaking, you push back from the table and let the other side dangle while they hang themselves. The Dems already have the noose around their own neck.

If the Dems shut down the gov, it will be readily apparent to everyone that it is on them. Even the liberal MSM is already saying it.

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/2018 9:51 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 9:15:09 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 9:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Go back to sleep, Tim. We'll put in a call on Groundhog Day, so you can
shoot the little critter.
...

Wake upand pay attention to Richards post instead of blabbing off like a verbal jackhammer.

“Make it hurt�


There was nothing in Richard's post but a plea to support his president
and party. The solution is theirs and is well-known. Too bad the "Great
Dealmaker" is playing solitaire, eh?

Sometimes in dealmaking, you push back from the table and let the other side dangle while they hang themselves. The Dems already have the noose around their own neck.

If the Dems shut down the gov, it will be readily apparent to everyone that it is on them. Even the liberal MSM is already saying it.



It's already being referred to as "Schumer's Shutdown".

Right now it looks like it's going to happen. Really no big deal other
than for military planners, personnel and health insurance for some
children but the Dems are more interested in the welfare and interests
of hundreds of thousands of immigrants based on a lottery system and
chain immigration.

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/2018 10:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/19/2018 9:51 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 9:15:09 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 9:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Go back to sleep, Tim. We'll put in a call on Groundhog Day, so you can
shoot the little critter.
...

Wake upand pay attention to Richards post instead of blabbing off like
a verbal jackhammer.

“Make it hurt�


There was nothing in Richard's post but a plea to support his president
and party. The solution is theirs and is well-known. Too bad the "Great
Dealmaker" is playing solitaire, eh?

Sometimes in dealmaking, you push back from the table and let the other
side dangle while they hang themselves. The Dems already have the noose
around their own neck.

If the Dems shut down the gov, it will be readily apparent to everyone
that it is on them. Even the liberal MSM is already saying it.



It's already being referred to as "Schumer's Shutdown".

Right now it looks like it's going to happen. Really no big deal other
than for military planners, personnel and health insurance for some
children but the Dems are more interested in the welfare and interests
of hundreds of thousands of immigrants based on a lottery system and
chain immigration.


You sound more like ******** Trump every day. Sad.



I'd rather sound more like Trump than I would Cryin' Chuck or Chocolate
Sundae Nancy.

How 'bout you?

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/2018 10:56 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/19/2018 10:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/19/2018 9:51 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 9:15:09 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 9:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Go back to sleep, Tim. We'll put in a call on Groundhog Day, so you can
shoot the little critter.
...

Wake upand pay attention to Richards post instead of blabbing off like
a verbal jackhammer.

“Make it hurt�


There was nothing in Richard's post but a plea to support his president
and party. The solution is theirs and is well-known. Too bad the "Great
Dealmaker" is playing solitaire, eh?

Sometimes in dealmaking, you push back from the table and let the other
side dangle while they hang themselves. The Dems already have the noose
around their own neck.

If the Dems shut down the gov, it will be readily apparent to everyone
that it is on them. Even the liberal MSM is already saying it.



It's already being referred to as "Schumer's Shutdown".

Right now it looks like it's going to happen. Really no big deal other
than for military planners, personnel and health insurance for some
children but the Dems are more interested in the welfare and interests
of hundreds of thousands of immigrants based on a lottery system and
chain immigration.


You sound more like ******** Trump every day. Sad.



I'd rather sound more like Trump than I would Cryin' Chuck or Chocolate
Sundae Nancy.

How 'bout you?





Nope. I’m not a racist.


Neither is Trump. Or I. See? You have more in common with the Donald
than you realized.

Well Harry?
 

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 06:51:55 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 9:15:09 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 9:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Go back to sleep, Tim. We'll put in a call on Groundhog Day, so you can
shoot the little critter.
...

Wake upand pay attention to Richards post instead of blabbing off like a verbal jackhammer.

“Make it hurt�


There was nothing in Richard's post but a plea to support his president
and party. The solution is theirs and is well-known. Too bad the "Great
Dealmaker" is playing solitaire, eh?

Sometimes in dealmaking, you push back from the table and let the other side dangle while they hang themselves. The Dems already have the noose around their own neck.

If the Dems shut down the gov, it will be readily apparent to everyone that it is on them. Even the liberal MSM is already saying it.

It would be interesting if Trump just said "OK the government is shut
down but the parks will stay open". Do a Harry Truman, tell the NPS
they are now in the army and pay them as "essential" DoD people. I bet
nobody would care that the government was shut down then.
Maybe if he also said all of those AFGE people were not going to get
paid for the days they stayed home, the democrat support for the shut
down would fade away pretty fast too.
The way these things have worked in the past is they do get to stay
home but their pay keeps coming.
It turns out it is harder to stop the automatic deposits than it is to
just let them go. This is the government. They don't actually need the
money to spend it. If they did, the whole government would have shut
down decades ago.

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/18 10:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/19/2018 10:56 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/19/2018 10:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/19/2018 9:51 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 9:15:09 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 9:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Go back to sleep, Tim. We'll put in a call on Groundhog Day, so
you can
shoot the little critter.
...

Wake upand pay attention to Richards post instead of blabbing
off like
a verbal jackhammer.

“Make it hurt�


There was nothing in Richard's post but a plea to support his
president
and party. The solution is theirs and is well-known. Too bad the
"Great
Dealmaker" is playing solitaire, eh?

Sometimes in dealmaking, you push back from the table and let the
other
side dangle while they hang themselves.Â* The Dems already have the
noose
around their own neck.

If the Dems shut down the gov, it will be readily apparent to
everyone
that it is on them.Â* Even the liberal MSM is already saying it.



It's already being referred to as "Schumer's Shutdown".

Right now it looks like it's going to happen.Â* Really no big deal
other
than for military planners, personnel and health insurance for some
children but the Dems are more interested in the welfare and interests
of hundreds of thousands of immigrants based on a lottery system and
chain immigration.


You sound more like ******** Trump every day.Â* Sad.



I'd rather sound more like Trump than I would Cryin' Chuck or Chocolate
Sundae Nancy.

How 'bout you?





Nope. I’m not a racist.


Neither is Trump.Â* Or I.Â*Â* See?Â* You have more in common with the Donald
than you realized.

An awful lot of decent, knowledgeable people disagree with you about Trump.

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/2018 11:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 10:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/19/2018 10:56 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/19/2018 10:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/19/2018 9:51 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 9:15:09 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 9:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Go back to sleep, Tim. We'll put in a call on Groundhog Day, so
you can
shoot the little critter.
...

Wake upand pay attention to Richards post instead of blabbing
off like
a verbal jackhammer.

“Make it hurt�


There was nothing in Richard's post but a plea to support his
president
and party. The solution is theirs and is well-known. Too bad the
"Great
Dealmaker" is playing solitaire, eh?

Sometimes in dealmaking, you push back from the table and let the
other
side dangle while they hang themselves.Â* The Dems already have
the noose
around their own neck.

If the Dems shut down the gov, it will be readily apparent to
everyone
that it is on them.Â* Even the liberal MSM is already saying it.



It's already being referred to as "Schumer's Shutdown".

Right now it looks like it's going to happen.Â* Really no big deal
other
than for military planners, personnel and health insurance for some
children but the Dems are more interested in the welfare and
interests
of hundreds of thousands of immigrants based on a lottery system and
chain immigration.


You sound more like ******** Trump every day.Â* Sad.



I'd rather sound more like Trump than I would Cryin' Chuck or Chocolate
Sundae Nancy.

How 'bout you?





Nope. I’m not a racist.


Neither is Trump.Â* Or I.Â*Â* See?Â* You have more in common with the Donald
than you realized.

An awful lot of decent, knowledgeable people disagree with you about Trump.

I realize that. We hear it everyday. But, as POTUS, I have yet to see
any action by him that suggests that he is operating in a racist mode.
There are many speculative "interpretations" of what he says sometimes
but they are just that ... speculations by the usual suspects. Some,
obviously like you, choose to accept them as fact. Others, like me,
believe that actions speak louder than words.

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.

Well Harry?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.

Well Harry?
 

On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 11:10:29 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 06:51:55 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 9:15:09 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 9:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Go back to sleep, Tim. We'll put in a call on Groundhog Day, so you can
shoot the little critter.
...

Wake upand pay attention to Richards post instead of blabbing off like a verbal jackhammer.

“Make it hurt�


There was nothing in Richard's post but a plea to support his president
and party. The solution is theirs and is well-known. Too bad the "Great
Dealmaker" is playing solitaire, eh?

Sometimes in dealmaking, you push back from the table and let the other side dangle while they hang themselves. The Dems already have the noose around their own neck.

If the Dems shut down the gov, it will be readily apparent to everyone that it is on them. Even the liberal MSM is already saying it.

It would be interesting if Trump just said "OK the government is shut
down but the parks will stay open". Do a Harry Truman, tell the NPS
they are now in the army and pay them as "essential" DoD people. I bet
nobody would care that the government was shut down then.
Maybe if he also said all of those AFGE people were not going to get
paid for the days they stayed home, the democrat support for the shut
down would fade away pretty fast too.
The way these things have worked in the past is they do get to stay
home but their pay keeps coming.
It turns out it is harder to stop the automatic deposits than it is to
just let them go. This is the government. They don't actually need the
money to spend it. If they did, the whole government would have shut
down decades ago.

I don't know... they don't seem to have a problem recalling direct deposited money.

When my dad passed, I reported it to SS, but they didn't get the paperwork done in time and a SS check was direct deposited for the next month. Later I got a letter showing that they had reached into that account and withdrawn the amount they deposited without my OK to do so. It's OK, it's a check he shouldn't have gotten, but there seems to be no problem with the gov taking what they want.

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357 Magnum in
the center of body mass.

Well Harry?
 

Its Me wrote:
On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 11:10:29 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 06:51:55 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 9:15:09 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 9:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Go back to sleep, Tim. We'll put in a call on Groundhog Day, so you can
shoot the little critter.
...

Wake upand pay attention to Richards post instead of blabbing off
like a verbal jackhammer.

“Make it hurt�


There was nothing in Richard's post but a plea to support his president
and party. The solution is theirs and is well-known. Too bad the "Great
Dealmaker" is playing solitaire, eh?

Sometimes in dealmaking, you push back from the table and let the other
side dangle while they hang themselves. The Dems already have the
noose around their own neck.

If the Dems shut down the gov, it will be readily apparent to everyone
that it is on them. Even the liberal MSM is already saying it.

It would be interesting if Trump just said "OK the government is shut
down but the parks will stay open". Do a Harry Truman, tell the NPS
they are now in the army and pay them as "essential" DoD people. I bet
nobody would care that the government was shut down then.
Maybe if he also said all of those AFGE people were not going to get
paid for the days they stayed home, the democrat support for the shut
down would fade away pretty fast too.
The way these things have worked in the past is they do get to stay
home but their pay keeps coming.
It turns out it is harder to stop the automatic deposits than it is to
just let them go. This is the government. They don't actually need the
money to spend it. If they did, the whole government would have shut
down decades ago.

I don't know... they don't seem to have a problem recalling direct deposited money.

When my dad passed, I reported it to SS, but they didn't get the
paperwork done in time and a SS check was direct deposited for the next
month. Later I got a letter showing that they had reached into that
account and withdrawn the amount they deposited without my OK to do so.
It's OK, it's a check he shouldn't have gotten, but there seems to be no
problem with the gov taking what they want.


They actually tell you to leave the account open a couple months for just
this case. Course they do not seem to care they are paying monthly checks
to a couple hundred people over 116 years old.

Well Harry?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357 Magnum in
the center of body mass.


So you are really for executions.

Well Harry?
 

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:55:21 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357 Magnum in
the center of body mass.


So you are really for executions.



===

That, and apparently he forgets that he likes in Maryland, which as I
understand it, is not a Stand Your Ground or Castle Doctrine state.

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Well Harry?
 

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:55:21 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357 Magnum in
the center of body mass.


So you are really for executions.

Only if he gets to do it I guess.
In Maryland, I hope he has a good lawyer, the intruder has a gun,
actually gets off a round and the intruder is white.

Well Harry?
 

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I?m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


Then you need to stop wishing for the death of Hearing and others
you don't like or disagree with.
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Well Harry?
 

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I?m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357 Magnum in
the center of body mass.


But if you miss, you would oppose a death sentance for him. You
are a piece of work, Fat Harry.
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Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/18 4:56 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:55:21 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357 Magnum in
the center of body mass.


So you are really for executions.

Only if he gets to do it I guess.
In Maryland, I hope he has a good lawyer, the intruder has a gun,
actually gets off a round and the intruder is white.


Absurd. You boys need to learn how to read.
There's no requirement I let a "violent home invader" do whatever he
wants to the people who live here after he breaks into the house. I'm a
male in my 70s...no prosecutor is going to come after me for defending
myself or my wife in the circumstances I described. Someone breaks in
while we are at home and is threatening our lives, and the last thing he
will hear is the report of a .357 Magnum self-defense round coming out
of my S&W revolver.

When one is in one's home, one may use deadly force against an attacker
if deadly force is necessary to prevent the attacker from committing a
felony that involves the use of force, violence, or surprise (such as
murder, robbery, burglary, rape, or arson). Crawford v. State, 231 Md.
354, 190 A.2d 538 (1963)

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/18 6:16 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I?m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357 Magnum in
the center of body mass.


But if you miss, you would oppose a death sentance for him. You
are a piece of work, Fat Harry.


I practice a lot, ****-for-brains...at defense in the home distances,
only my hearing would require some time to heal.

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/2018 6:30 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 4:56 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:55:21 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see
him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357
Magnum in
the center of body mass.


So you are really for executions.

Only if he gets to do it I guess.
In Maryland, I hope he has a good lawyer, the intruder has a gun,
actually gets off a round and the intruder is white.


Absurd. You boys need to learn how to read.
There's no requirement I let a "violent home invader" do whatever he
wants to the people who live here after he breaks into the house. I'm a
male in my 70s...no prosecutor is going to come after me for defending
myself or my wife in the circumstances I described. Someone breaks in
while we are at home and is threatening our lives, and the last thing he
will hear is the report of a .357 Magnum self-defense round coming out
of my S&W revolver.

When one is in one's home, one may use deadly force against an attacker
if deadly force is necessary to prevent the attacker from committing a
felony that involves the use of force, violence, or surprise (such as
murder, robbery, burglary, rape, or arson). Crawford v. State, 231 Md.
354, 190 A.2d 538 (1963)




You may not be charged with anything for defending yourself but you
might be subject to a civil lawsuit for wrongful death by the relatives
of the perp. That said though, if it comes down to him or you (or your
wife) there's no question what the decision should be.

Well Harry?
 

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:07:14 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:55:21 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357 Magnum in
the center of body mass.


So you are really for executions.



===

That, and apparently he forgets that he likes in Maryland, which as I
understand it, is not a Stand Your Ground or Castle Doctrine state.

There is no stand your ground there and the castle doctrine only
applies if you are in imminent danger and you have no safe way to
retreat. Basically if you are trapped in the bedroom you might be able
to use deadly force but if there is a door behind you, you are obliged
to run out. There also needs to be a credible threat, like a weapon
and an overt act. Blowing a guy away who is just snooping around in
the living room will usually get you charged.
I am sure Harry knows a cop who says he can blow the guy away but the
cops let Zimmermann go too. That doesn't mean the prosecutor will let
it go, particularly if it is put on the news in a bad light.
The interpretation I cited was presented in court when my former
roomie was being convicted of murder. The question from the prosecutor
that sunk him was "could have escaped if you tried"? "Yes", "Then
deadly force was not your only option was it".
Certainly an out of shape septuagenarian may present as a more
sympathetic defendant that a 23 year old Force Recon Marine but that
is how the law gets read. I am sure that if anything, they are more
strict about it. As I said Harry better hope the guy he shoots is not
an "honor student who just went astray" like Trayvonn and he better
have more competent council than my friend. (who should have never
been on the stand in the first place)

Well Harry?
 

justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I?m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


Then you need to stop wishing for the death of Hearing and others
you don't like or disagree with.

He is for executions.

Well Harry?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 4:56 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:55:21 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357 Magnum in
the center of body mass.


So you are really for executions.

Only if he gets to do it I guess.
In Maryland, I hope he has a good lawyer, the intruder has a gun,
actually gets off a round and the intruder is white.


Absurd. You boys need to learn how to read.
There's no requirement I let a "violent home invader" do whatever he
wants to the people who live here after he breaks into the house. I'm a
male in my 70s...no prosecutor is going to come after me for defending
myself or my wife in the circumstances I described. Someone breaks in
while we are at home and is threatening our lives, and the last thing he
will hear is the report of a .357 Magnum self-defense round coming out
of my S&W revolver.

When one is in one's home, one may use deadly force against an attacker
if deadly force is necessary to prevent the attacker from committing a
felony that involves the use of force, violence, or surprise (such as
murder, robbery, burglary, rape, or arson). Crawford v. State, 231 Md.
354, 190 A.2d 538 (1963)




You have to retreat first if not in a Castile Doctrine State. Or a Western
law state.

Well Harry?
 

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 17:55:37 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The responsibility to terminate SS payments for my dad, mother and my
wife's dad and mother fell on me for some reason. No problem or issues
and no requirement to appear in person. Just filled out the required
paperwork and submitted with a copy of the death certificates. Payments
stopped immediately.


When I asked about they told me not to bother, SSA was the first
people the funeral home contacts. Just don't try to spend the money.
The claw back was about 2 months later.

Well Harry?
 

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 19:11:11 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/19/2018 6:30 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 4:56 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:55:21 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see
him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357
Magnum in
the center of body mass.


So you are really for executions.

Only if he gets to do it I guess.
In Maryland, I hope he has a good lawyer, the intruder has a gun,
actually gets off a round and the intruder is white.


Absurd. You boys need to learn how to read.
There's no requirement I let a "violent home invader" do whatever he
wants to the people who live here after he breaks into the house. I'm a
male in my 70s...no prosecutor is going to come after me for defending
myself or my wife in the circumstances I described. Someone breaks in
while we are at home and is threatening our lives, and the last thing he
will hear is the report of a .357 Magnum self-defense round coming out
of my S&W revolver.

When one is in one's home, one may use deadly force against an attacker
if deadly force is necessary to prevent the attacker from committing a
felony that involves the use of force, violence, or surprise (such as
murder, robbery, burglary, rape, or arson). Crawford v. State, 231 Md.
354, 190 A.2d 538 (1963)




You may not be charged with anything for defending yourself but you
might be subject to a civil lawsuit for wrongful death by the relatives
of the perp. That said though, if it comes down to him or you (or your
wife) there's no question what the decision should be.

The presence of a 3d party goes a long way toward the defense if you
shoot someone but the operative word in Harry's citation is
"attacker". You have to demonstrate "forcible felony" AND "imminent
threat" not just that your "personal space" was invaded.

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/2018 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 19:11:11 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/19/2018 6:30 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 4:56 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:55:21 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see
him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357
Magnum in
the center of body mass.


So you are really for executions.

Only if he gets to do it I guess.
In Maryland, I hope he has a good lawyer, the intruder has a gun,
actually gets off a round and the intruder is white.


Absurd. You boys need to learn how to read.
There's no requirement I let a "violent home invader" do whatever he
wants to the people who live here after he breaks into the house. I'm a
male in my 70s...no prosecutor is going to come after me for defending
myself or my wife in the circumstances I described. Someone breaks in
while we are at home and is threatening our lives, and the last thing he
will hear is the report of a .357 Magnum self-defense round coming out
of my S&W revolver.

When one is in one's home, one may use deadly force against an attacker
if deadly force is necessary to prevent the attacker from committing a
felony that involves the use of force, violence, or surprise (such as
murder, robbery, burglary, rape, or arson). Crawford v. State, 231 Md.
354, 190 A.2d 538 (1963)




You may not be charged with anything for defending yourself but you
might be subject to a civil lawsuit for wrongful death by the relatives
of the perp. That said though, if it comes down to him or you (or your
wife) there's no question what the decision should be.

The presence of a 3d party goes a long way toward the defense if you
shoot someone but the operative word in Harry's citation is
"attacker". You have to demonstrate "forcible felony" AND "imminent
threat" not just that your "personal space" was invaded.



Don't know about Maryland laws but in some states, including mine, an
attack on a senior (I think it's someone 60 or older) is a much more
serious crime. Hitting someone under 60 is most often a misdemeanor.
In Massachusetts, hitting or assaulting someone over 60 is a felony.

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/18 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 19:11:11 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/19/2018 6:30 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 4:56 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:55:21 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see
him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357
Magnum in
the center of body mass.


So you are really for executions.

Only if he gets to do it I guess.
In Maryland, I hope he has a good lawyer, the intruder has a gun,
actually gets off a round and the intruder is white.


Absurd. You boys need to learn how to read.
There's no requirement I let a "violent home invader" do whatever he
wants to the people who live here after he breaks into the house. I'm a
male in my 70s...no prosecutor is going to come after me for defending
myself or my wife in the circumstances I described. Someone breaks in
while we are at home and is threatening our lives, and the last thing he
will hear is the report of a .357 Magnum self-defense round coming out
of my S&W revolver.

When one is in one's home, one may use deadly force against an attacker
if deadly force is necessary to prevent the attacker from committing a
felony that involves the use of force, violence, or surprise (such as
murder, robbery, burglary, rape, or arson). Crawford v. State, 231 Md.
354, 190 A.2d 538 (1963)




You may not be charged with anything for defending yourself but you
might be subject to a civil lawsuit for wrongful death by the relatives
of the perp. That said though, if it comes down to him or you (or your
wife) there's no question what the decision should be.

The presence of a 3d party goes a long way toward the defense if you
shoot someone but the operative word in Harry's citation is
"attacker". You have to demonstrate "forcible felony" AND "imminent
threat" not just that your "personal space" was invaded.


It would be helpful to read my post (I don't mean you, Greg) before
commenting about the legal penalties I might face. As in "violent home
invader," "threatening" "prevent from committing a felony...force,
violence, surprise, et cetera."

Well Harry?
 

On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 01:05:36 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I?m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


Then you need to stop wishing for the death of Hearing and others
you don't like or disagree with.

He is for executions.

He only seems to wish the death of people who make him look silly on
the internet. Illegal alien murders and cop killers deserve a pass.

Well Harry?
 

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:56:36 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 1/19/18 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 19:11:11 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/19/2018 6:30 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 4:56 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:55:21 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see
him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357
Magnum in
the center of body mass.


So you are really for executions.

Only if he gets to do it I guess.
In Maryland, I hope he has a good lawyer, the intruder has a gun,
actually gets off a round and the intruder is white.


Absurd. You boys need to learn how to read.
There's no requirement I let a "violent home invader" do whatever he
wants to the people who live here after he breaks into the house. I'm a
male in my 70s...no prosecutor is going to come after me for defending
myself or my wife in the circumstances I described. Someone breaks in
while we are at home and is threatening our lives, and the last thing he
will hear is the report of a .357 Magnum self-defense round coming out
of my S&W revolver.

When one is in one's home, one may use deadly force against an attacker
if deadly force is necessary to prevent the attacker from committing a
felony that involves the use of force, violence, or surprise (such as
murder, robbery, burglary, rape, or arson). Crawford v. State, 231 Md.
354, 190 A.2d 538 (1963)




You may not be charged with anything for defending yourself but you
might be subject to a civil lawsuit for wrongful death by the relatives
of the perp. That said though, if it comes down to him or you (or your
wife) there's no question what the decision should be.

The presence of a 3d party goes a long way toward the defense if you
shoot someone but the operative word in Harry's citation is
"attacker". You have to demonstrate "forcible felony" AND "imminent
threat" not just that your "personal space" was invaded.


It would be helpful to read my post (I don't mean you, Greg) before
commenting about the legal penalties I might face. As in "violent home
invader," "threatening" "prevent from committing a felony...force,
violence, surprise, et cetera."

I am just pointing out you also need to demonstrate "imminent threat"
and they can hold the "obligation to retreat" over your head. This is
based in sitting in court and watching a friend being convicted (Upper
Marlboro) not some hypothetical conversation with a cop.
That is the difference between where you are and a "stand your ground"
state.
Certainly if a guy comes into your bedroom with a weapon you are
backed into the corner and you shoot him in the front, you probably
won't be charged but I would still want to call my lawyer before I
said **** to anyone. If he turns to run and you shoot him anyway plan
on big trouble.

Well Harry?
 

wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 01:05:36 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I?m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


Then you need to stop wishing for the death of Hearing and others
you don't like or disagree with.

He is for executions.

He only seems to wish the death of people who make him look silly on
the internet. Illegal alien murders and cop killers deserve a pass.


Feral dogs also.

Well Harry?
 

wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:56:36 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 1/19/18 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 19:11:11 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/19/2018 6:30 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 4:56 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:55:21 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see
him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357
Magnum in
the center of body mass.


So you are really for executions.

Only if he gets to do it I guess.
In Maryland, I hope he has a good lawyer, the intruder has a gun,
actually gets off a round and the intruder is white.


Absurd. You boys need to learn how to read.
There's no requirement I let a "violent home invader" do whatever he
wants to the people who live here after he breaks into the house. I'm a
male in my 70s...no prosecutor is going to come after me for defending
myself or my wife in the circumstances I described. Someone breaks in
while we are at home and is threatening our lives, and the last thing he
will hear is the report of a .357 Magnum self-defense round coming out
of my S&W revolver.

When one is in one's home, one may use deadly force against an attacker
if deadly force is necessary to prevent the attacker from committing a
felony that involves the use of force, violence, or surprise (such as
murder, robbery, burglary, rape, or arson). Crawford v. State, 231 Md.
354, 190 A.2d 538 (1963)




You may not be charged with anything for defending yourself but you
might be subject to a civil lawsuit for wrongful death by the relatives
of the perp. That said though, if it comes down to him or you (or your
wife) there's no question what the decision should be.

The presence of a 3d party goes a long way toward the defense if you
shoot someone but the operative word in Harry's citation is
"attacker". You have to demonstrate "forcible felony" AND "imminent
threat" not just that your "personal space" was invaded.


It would be helpful to read my post (I don't mean you, Greg) before
commenting about the legal penalties I might face. As in "violent home
invader," "threatening" "prevent from committing a felony...force,
violence, surprise, et cetera."

I am just pointing out you also need to demonstrate "imminent threat"
and they can hold the "obligation to retreat" over your head. This is
based in sitting in court and watching a friend being convicted (Upper
Marlboro) not some hypothetical conversation with a cop.
That is the difference between where you are and a "stand your ground"
state.
Certainly if a guy comes into your bedroom with a weapon you are
backed into the corner and you shoot him in the front, you probably
won't be charged but I would still want to call my lawyer before I
said **** to anyone. If he turns to run and you shoot him anyway plan
on big trouble.


Better spin him around and shoot his front. I shot twice as he came
threatening me. First bullet must have spun him around.

Well Harry?
 

On 1/19/2018 8:56 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 19:11:11 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/19/2018 6:30 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 4:56 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:55:21 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 12:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/19/18 11:21 AM, wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018 15:56:15 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



Nope. I’m not a racist.

You like guys like this I guess. I bet you don't even want to see
him
executed,
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...194874024.html


I am opposed to the death penalty, even for scumbags like the one
described in the article you cited.


But you would execute a Feral dog for being aggressive.


No different than I would treat a violent home invader... .357
Magnum in
the center of body mass.


So you are really for executions.

Only if he gets to do it I guess.
In Maryland, I hope he has a good lawyer, the intruder has a gun,
actually gets off a round and the intruder is white.


Absurd. You boys need to learn how to read.
There's no requirement I let a "violent home invader" do whatever he
wants to the people who live here after he breaks into the house. I'm a
male in my 70s...no prosecutor is going to come after me for defending
myself or my wife in the circumstances I described. Someone breaks in
while we are at home and is threatening our lives, and the last
thing he
will hear is the report of a .357 Magnum self-defense round coming out
of my S&W revolver.

When one is in one's home, one may use deadly force against an attacker
if deadly force is necessary to prevent the attacker from committing a
felony that involves the use of force, violence, or surprise (such as
murder, robbery, burglary, rape, or arson). Crawford v. State, 231 Md.
354, 190 A.2d 538 (1963)




You may not be charged with anything for defending yourself but you
might be subject to a civil lawsuit for wrongful death by the relatives
of the perp.Â* That said though, if it comes down to him or you (or your
wife) there's no question what the decision should be.

The presence of a 3d party goes a long way toward the defense if you
shoot someone but the operative word in Harry's citation is
"attacker".Â* You have to demonstrate "forcible felony" AND "imminent
threat" not just that your "personal space" was invaded.


It would be helpful to read my post (I don't mean you, Greg) before
commenting about the legal penalties I might face. As in "violent home
invader," "threatening" "prevent from committing a felony...force,
violence, surprise, et cetera."


OJ was charged with the murder of two people and was found not guilty.
In a follow-up civil case he was charged with wrongful death (of the
same people) and found guilty.

Certainty qualifies as "threatening with force, violence .. etc."