"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 10:07:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/17/2017 9:02 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:

That's *your* interpretation of what an "evangelical" is. I've been
exposed to several denominations, from Catholicism and Episcopalian to
Lutheranism and several Baptist sub-denominations. Even explored
Judaism a bit. Never heard a call to recruit in any of them.

It is a lot more bible belty here than in Maryland where Harry lives
and the only people who ever solicit me are the occasional Jehovah's
Witnesses who knocks on my door and hands me a tract.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your beliefs. Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 10:21 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:46:45 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 17:02:25 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
They're not and they wouldn't be. Moronic posit on your part.
.....

So,you simply can’t handle a hypothetical question ?


I’m not into christian absurdities

You prefer atheist absurdities


What might those be?

I would start with how a stone in front of a court house in Alabama
can insult you so badly. Have you ever seen it. Did they tie you up,
blindfold you and fly you there, then force you to look at it?




I am offended by Moore's pushing religion in a country that was founded
on the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, in a nation
declared to be neutral on matters of belief. Imposition by the
government of religion or religious practices is repugnant. I am
surprised that you, as a professed libertarian, is in favor of
state-supported religion.

Mind you, I have no particular bone to pick with the 10 commandments,
per se, other than my belief that the state, as it were, should not be
in the business of advertising them. That means on public grounds, in
public schools, in public facilities.


The country was not founded on the right to not be religious teachings.
Only that the government could not have a STATE religion. All religions
had the right to practice.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 9:02 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 5:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/16/2017 9:50 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 8:37 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:07:29 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 5:01 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:47:04 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:04 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 2:21 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text


I don't know what is wrong with you conservative evangelicals.
Your
brethren in Alabama supported a pedophile running for the U.S.
Senate, a
man who was excluded from a shopping mall because as a grown
man he was
annoying and trying to pick up for sex little girls. Trump
supported
him, too.

—-
If the “Christian evangelicals� had supported Hillary, they’d
have your aproval. You’d probably want a few in her cabinate.


Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the
christian right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.


===

You'd certainly get a lot of support for that position in Islamic
countries.Â* InÂ* fact I think it's already illegal in most.Â* How
do you
feel about Sharia law?




D'uh. I am agnostic. I have no use for religion.

===

That would be enough to get you stoned to death in many parts of
Pakistan.Â* I'm sure we could round up support for buying you a
vacation package.


Interestingly, that's what many christian evangelists "leaders" say in
this country about people here who do not share their superstitions.
Fascinating, isn't it, that religious conservatives have so much in
common.

I can't think of a democrat president in my life time who did not
embrace those superstitions on the campaign trail. Carter was a
baptist deacon and milked that cow on all 4 tits.



Carter is disgusted with the evangelical christian movement and
walked away from it nearly 20 years ago because, among other reasons,
of the way it mistreated women


It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat.Â* Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or
experienced it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087



You are misinterpreting the chart you provided in your URL. Evangelicals
are much more than a denomination and in fact pollute many denominations.

According to the Pew Research Center's Religious Landscape Study,
evangelical protestants comprise the largest religious group in the
united states:

http://pewrsr.ch/1cpBNNW


That's *your* interpretation of what an "evangelical" is. I've been
exposed to several denominations, from Catholicism and Episcopalian to
Lutheranism and several Baptist sub-denominations. Even explored
Judaism a bit. Never heard a call to recruit in any of them.


I am married to a Catholic, never been forced to choose a religion.
Pretty much agnostic.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 10:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 9:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 10:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:46:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:50:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the
christian right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.

So you have stopped supporting the religious apartheid regime in the
Eastern Med now? ... cool


Say what? If you are referring to the jews, as far as I know, they do
not go looking for converts, nor do most orthodox, conservative, or
reform jews evangelize.

The place where we are talking about is a caliphate and very
unapologetic about it. If you are not Jewish, you are a second class
"resident", not even a real citizen.


You really need to grow out of the “But what about...� bull****.

If you had any consistency in your beliefs, it would not be necessary.
All of your strongly held beliefs seem to come with an "except".



Yeah, well, many things, issues, whatevers, in life come with
exceptions. Perhaps if you had followed a *disciplined* course of
study in humanities somewhere, you might know that. Your
helter-skelter education has given you little more than blinders and
an intellectually terminal case of "But what abouts"... You seem to
seek perfection in humanity and...it ain't there and never will be.

Oh, by the way, Muslims citizens in Israel have all the rights of
citizenship, including the right to vote, the right to worship, the
right to obtain higher education, the right to practice professions
and own businesses.


What the hell is a "disciplined" course of study?Â* Is that when you are
taught *what* to believe and *what* to think?


D'oh. No. It could be a series of courses put together with a
reading/study syllabus that exposes you to the great and not so great
thinkers and writers in a field in a progressive way, for example, that
helps you better understand how it evolved, the how and why the field
changed, who changed it, what got discarded, what got included. This is
somewhat more involved than reading a couple of usenet articles and
saying you therefore understand the history of democracy.


Very limited definition of “disciplined�. Engineering is considered a
discipline, and probably a more disciplined course of study than 90%of the
Liberal Arts studies.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.


Maybe if the academics practiced that and kept their beliefs out of schools
and tax dollar public policy we would be more accommodating.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On 12/17/17 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 09:27:21 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Let's try this again:

My comment was that the Jews do not go looking for converts, nor do most
orthodox, conservative, or reform jews evangelize. Are you claiming the
Israelis are converting Muslims to Judaism?

That was not the issue. You said you did not like the idea of state
religions. I also bet the Muslims in Israel will tell you they are
second class citizens. Separate but equal is now OK with you?



There is no state religion in Israel:

Secularism on the Edge: Rethinking Church-State Relations in the United
States, France, and Israel. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. pp. 167–169.
ISBN 978-1-137-38115-6. "The compromise, therefore, was to choose
constructive ambiguity: as surprising as it may seem, there is no law
that declares Judaism the official religion of Israel. However, there is
no other law that declares Israel's neutrality toward all confessions.
Judaism is not recognized as the official religion of the state, and
even though the Jewish, Muslim and Christian clergy receive their
salaries from the state, this fact does not make Israel a neutral state.
This apparent pluralism cannot dissimulate the fact that Israel displays
a clear and undoubtedly hierarchical pluralism in religious matters. ...
It is important to note that from a multicultural point of view, this
self-restrained secularism allows Muslim law to be practiced in Israel
for personal matters of the Muslim community. As surprising as it seems,
if not paradoxical for a state in war, Israel is the only Western
democratic country in which Sharia enjoys such an official status."

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:53:48 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your beliefs. Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

I never said the were injecting their "religious" beliefs into public policy, ****-for-brains. Just their beliefs. Got it now?

What an idiot you are. And on purpose.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On 12/17/2017 12:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat.Â* Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087


Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.


"One Nation, under God ...."

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On 12/17/2017 12:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat.Â* Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or
experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087


Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.


But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their
beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your
beliefs.Â* Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.


He didn't say "religious" beliefs.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On 12/17/2017 1:05 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 11:20 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 11:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 11:12 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 10:07 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 9:02 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 5:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/16/2017 9:50 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 8:37 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:07:29 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 5:01 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:47:04 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:04 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze

wrote:

On 12/16/17 2:21 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text


I don't know what is wrong with you conservative
evangelicals. Your
brethren in Alabama supported a pedophile running for the
U.S. Senate, a
man who was excluded from a shopping mall because as a
grown man he was
annoying and trying to pick up for sex little girls. Trump
supported
him, too.

—-
If the “Christian evangelicals� had supported Hillary,
they’d have your aproval. You’d probably want a few in her
cabinate.


Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the
christian right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In
fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.


===

You'd certainly get a lot of support for that position in
Islamic
countries.Â* InÂ* fact I think it's already illegal in most.
How do you
feel about Sharia law?




D'uh. I am agnostic. I have no use for religion.

===

That would be enough to get you stoned to death in many parts of
Pakistan.Â* I'm sure we could round up support for buying you a
vacation package.


Interestingly, that's what many christian evangelists "leaders"
say in
this country about people here who do not share their
superstitions.
Fascinating, isn't it, that religious conservatives have so
much in common.

I can't think of a democrat president in my life time who did not
embrace those superstitions on the campaign trail. Carter was a
baptist deacon and milked that cow on all 4 tits.



Carter is disgusted with the evangelical christian movement and
walked away from it nearly 20 years ago because, among other
reasons, of the way it mistreated women


It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of
Christianity in the United States you focus on one of the smallest
...evangelical ... with your complaints about shoving religion
down your throat. Of the others, I don't know of any that
purposely go out and try to convert anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few
but I've never heard of it or experienced it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087



You are misinterpreting the chart you provided in your URL.
Evangelicals are much more than a denomination and in fact pollute
many denominations.

According to the Pew Research Center's Religious Landscape Study,
evangelical protestants comprise the largest religious group in the
united states:

http://pewrsr.ch/1cpBNNW


That's *your* interpretation of what an "evangelical" is.Â* I've been
exposed to several denominations, from Catholicism and Episcopalian
to Lutheranism and several Baptist sub-denominations.Â* Even explored
Judaism a bit.Â* Never heard a call to recruit in any of them.


You are confusing evangelical and proselytizer. They are not the
same, though there can be overlap. A well-disciplined course of study
in comparative religions might have enlightened you.


Why would I possibly be interested in a "well-disciplined" course of
study in comparative religions?

I was ordained on the Internet.Â* :-)




Yeah, it shows.

According to you, so were you.




As a silly joke.


Me too.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:32:43 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/17/2017 12:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat.* Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone.* Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087


Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.


"One Nation, under God ...."


===

"Under God" was a relatively recent addition to the pledge in 1954. I
can remember reciting the pledge without it in my early school years.

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This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On 12/17/17 1:32 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:53:48 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your beliefs. Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

I never said the were injecting their "religious" beliefs into public policy, ****-for-brains. Just their beliefs. Got it now?

What an idiot you are. And on purpose.


Nope. There's no law against injecting non-religious beliefs. I figured
you were bright enough to realize that, eh? But apparently not.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On 12/17/17 1:32 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 12:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat.Â* Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or
experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087


Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et
cetera. I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in
their churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish
they'd keep it in those venues.


"One Nation, under God ...."

Probably the worst mistake of the Eisenhower presidency. And sadly
funny. After all, with no proof of the existence of any god, it might
have been termed, one nation under Zeus or one nation under Ra, or some
Egyptian stone god. And if there were a god, how would a mere mortal
know whether his or her nation were under it?

I think the pledge as modified in the Eisenhower presidency violates the
Establishment Clause.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On 12/17/17 1:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 12:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of
Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat.Â* Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or
experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087


Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.


But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their
beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your
beliefs.Â* Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs,
****-for-brains. The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion
and state. Go read it.


He didn't say "religious" beliefs.



Non-religious folk don't have religious beliefs to insert, do they?

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

Keyser Soze
- hide quoted text -
On 12/17/17 1:32 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:53:48 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ....
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera..
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your beliefs. Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

I never said the were injecting their "religious" beliefs into public policy, ****-for-brains. Just their beliefs. Got it now?

What an idiot you are. And on purpose.


Nope. There's no law against injecting non-religious beliefs. I figured
you were bright enough to realize that, eh? But apparently not.
.....
Don’t be dim, Harry. No law(s) about “injecting religious beliefs� either...

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 1:57:08 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 1:32 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:53:48 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your beliefs. Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

I never said the were injecting their "religious" beliefs into public policy, ****-for-brains. Just their beliefs. Got it now?

What an idiot you are. And on purpose.


Nope. There's no law against injecting non-religious beliefs. I figured
you were bright enough to realize that, eh? But apparently not.

There's also no law against injecting beliefs that might be aligned with religious beliefs. That's the magic of our democratic system. We just can't have a state supported religion. Majority rules, eh?

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On 12/17/17 1:51 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:32:43 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/17/2017 12:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat.Â* Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087


Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.


"One Nation, under God ...."


===

"Under God" was a relatively recent addition to the pledge in 1954. I
can remember reciting the pledge without it in my early school years.

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We stopped reciting that pledge in public school after it was modified
but a couple of teachers said we could recite it without the "under god"
nonsense, so we did. I vaguely recall one grammar school teacher getting
a mild reprimand for for having the kids recite "The Lord's Prayer"
aloud at the beginning of the school day, but that was also stopped.

Once we got out of grammar school and into 7th grade junior high, that
nonsense stopped altogether.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 2:04:33 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 1:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 12:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of
Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ....
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat.Â* Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or
experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087


Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.


But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their
beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your
beliefs.Â* Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs,
****-for-brains. The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion
and state. Go read it.


He didn't say "religious" beliefs.



Non-religious folk don't have religious beliefs to insert, do they?

But they do have beliefs. Believe it or not.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On 12/17/17 2:06 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- hide quoted text -
On 12/17/17 1:32 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:53:48 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your beliefs. Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

I never said the were injecting their "religious" beliefs into public policy, ****-for-brains. Just their beliefs. Got it now?

What an idiot you are. And on purpose.


Nope. There's no law against injecting non-religious beliefs. I figured
you were bright enough to realize that, eh? But apparently not.
....
Don’t be dim, Harry. No law(s) about “injecting religious beliefs� either...


Read up on the Establishment Clause.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On 12/17/17 2:07 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 1:57:08 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 1:32 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:53:48 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your beliefs. Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

I never said the were injecting their "religious" beliefs into public policy, ****-for-brains. Just their beliefs. Got it now?

What an idiot you are. And on purpose.


Nope. There's no law against injecting non-religious beliefs. I figured
you were bright enough to realize that, eh? But apparently not.

There's also no law against injecting beliefs that might be aligned with religious beliefs. That's the magic of our democratic system. We just can't have a state supported religion. Majority rules, eh?


Fortunately, we have the ACLU to fight religious nonsense.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 2:06:37 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- hide quoted text -
On 12/17/17 1:32 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:53:48 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ....
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your beliefs. Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

I never said the were injecting their "religious" beliefs into public policy, ****-for-brains. Just their beliefs. Got it now?

What an idiot you are. And on purpose.


Nope. There's no law against injecting non-religious beliefs. I figured
you were bright enough to realize that, eh? But apparently not.
....
Don’t be dim, Harry. No law(s) about “injecting religious beliefs� either...

You can't brighten a burned out bulb.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:55:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Very limited definition of “disciplined�. Engineering is considered a
discipline, and probably a more disciplined course of study than 90%of the
Liberal Arts studies.

When you are talking classic math and some aspects of science
"discipline" is an admirable trait but if you are too disciplined in
believing what is true now, will always be true, even science will not
advance. It was not that long ago that "science" believed we could not
break the sound barrier or split the atom. They could prove it to you
on paper. Those "facts" became obsolete in a little over a decade.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 2:07 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 1:57:08 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 1:32 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:53:48 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your beliefs. Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

I never said the were injecting their "religious" beliefs into public policy, ****-for-brains. Just their beliefs. Got it now?

What an idiot you are. And on purpose.


Nope. There's no law against injecting non-religious beliefs. I figured
you were bright enough to realize that, eh? But apparently not.

There's also no law against injecting beliefs that might be aligned with religious beliefs. That's the magic of our democratic system. We just can't have a state supported religion. Majority rules, eh?


Fortunately, we have the ACLU to fight religious nonsense.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Ah, the "free exercise" of religion when it come to electing politicians of the same mindset. Sweet.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:55:56 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Maybe if the academics practiced that and kept their beliefs out of schools
and tax dollar public policy we would be more accommodating.

We could say that about a lot of things that have crept into
curriculums. At a certain point things like "environmentalism" have
become more of a religion than science.
"Recycling" would be a good example. It is not economically valid and
the ecological benefits are dubious in a lot, if not most, cases.
How is it ecologically sound for them to truck my empty plastic
bottles 1500 miles to a Trex factory when they already have more than
they need from local sources? They just end up in a land fill
somewhere along the way.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:56:47 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/17/17 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 09:27:21 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Let's try this again:

My comment was that the Jews do not go looking for converts, nor do most
orthodox, conservative, or reform jews evangelize. Are you claiming the
Israelis are converting Muslims to Judaism?

That was not the issue. You said you did not like the idea of state
religions. I also bet the Muslims in Israel will tell you they are
second class citizens. Separate but equal is now OK with you?



There is no state religion in Israel:

Secularism on the Edge: Rethinking Church-State Relations in the United
States, France, and Israel. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. pp. 167–169.
ISBN 978-1-137-38115-6. "The compromise, therefore, was to choose
constructive ambiguity: as surprising as it may seem, there is no law
that declares Judaism the official religion of Israel. However, there is
no other law that declares Israel's neutrality toward all confessions.
Judaism is not recognized as the official religion of the state, and
even though the Jewish, Muslim and Christian clergy receive their
salaries from the state, this fact does not make Israel a neutral state.
This apparent pluralism cannot dissimulate the fact that Israel displays
a clear and undoubtedly hierarchical pluralism in religious matters. ...
It is important to note that from a multicultural point of view, this
self-restrained secularism allows Muslim law to be practiced in Israel
for personal matters of the Muslim community. As surprising as it seems,
if not paradoxical for a state in war, Israel is the only Western
democratic country in which Sharia enjoys such an official status."

Maybe someone should tell the leaders of Israel. They say it is a
Jewish state and their flag demonstrates that.
Only 21% of Israeli Arabs get to vote.
I agree they will not remain a Jewish state if they actually let all
of the Arabs there vote because they will lose all of the elections.
It is the price you pay when you conquer your neighbors and assimilate
their population.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:53:46 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

The words "separation of religion and state" do not exist in the 1st
amendment. You should "go read it"
It says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ..."
It is just revisionist thinkers like you who bend that around to suit
your beliefs. You really need more "discipline" in your reading
comprehension.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 2:30:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:53:46 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

The words "separation of religion and state" do not exist in the 1st
amendment. You should "go read it"
It says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ..."
It is just revisionist thinkers like you who bend that around to suit
your beliefs. You really need more "discipline" in your reading
comprehension.

Heh. Couldn't agree more.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Read up on the Establishment Clause.
.....

Evidently you think that effects street preachers and those who witness in public places. Re-read the Establishment Clause.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On 12/17/2017 2:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 1:32 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 12:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat.Â* Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or
experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087


Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et
cetera. I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice
in their churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish
they'd keep it in those venues.


"One Nation, under God ...."

Probably the worst mistake of the Eisenhower presidency. And sadly
funny. After all, with no proof of the existence of any god, it might
have been termed, one nation under Zeus or one nation under Ra, or some
Egyptian stone god. And if there were a god, how would a mere mortal
know whether his or her nation were under it?

I think the pledge as modified in the Eisenhower presidency violates the
Establishment Clause.


I got curious so I did some reading. Seems that although the majority
of states require a time be allocated for reciting the Pledge of
Allegiance in public schools, most also make it optional.
A few states have no statutes on it at all and about three that I found
do not have a formal "opt out" clause in their current statues.
Surprisingly, Massachusetts is one of them.

Bottom line is that in almost all cases it is voluntary. The 3 or 4
with no formal opt-out clause don't enforce it as a requirement. So, if
it bothers the student or the student's parents, just don't participate.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 14:03:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

"One Nation, under God ...."

Probably the worst mistake of the Eisenhower presidency. And sadly
funny. After all, with no proof of the existence of any god, it might
have been termed, one nation under Zeus or one nation under Ra, or some
Egyptian stone god. And if there were a god, how would a mere mortal
know whether his or her nation were under it?

I think the pledge as modified in the Eisenhower presidency violates the
Establishment Clause.

The term "god" is far from establishing any particular religion as you
so eloquently pointed out. In fact Jefferson used the term "nature's
god" in the DOI which might have made him our first evangelical
environmentalist.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On 12/17/2017 2:09 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 2:07 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 1:57:08 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 1:32 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:53:48 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of
Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest
...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat.
Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to
convert
anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or
experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087


Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming
Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et
cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd
keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their
beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your
beliefs.Â* Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs,
****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go
read it.

I never said the were injecting their "religious" beliefs into
public policy, ****-for-brains.Â* Just their beliefs.Â* Got it now?

What an idiot you are.Â* And on purpose.


Nope. There's no law against injecting non-religious beliefs. I figured
you were bright enough to realize that, eh? But apparently not.

There's also no law against injecting beliefs that might be aligned
with religious beliefs.Â* That's the magic of our democratic system.
We just can't have a state supported religion.Â* Majority rules, eh?


Fortunately, we have the ACLU to fight religious nonsense.


Funny that when "under God" was added to the pledge in 1954 the ACLU
had no objections. They thought it was just fine.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 14:04:31 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/17/17 1:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 12:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs,
****-for-brains. The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion
and state. Go read it.


He didn't say "religious" beliefs.



Non-religious folk don't have religious beliefs to insert, do they?

No, you inject words into the constitution that don't exist and let
them justify your beliefs

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 14:30:39 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:53:46 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

The words "separation of religion and state" do not exist in the 1st
amendment. You should "go read it"
It says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ..."
It is just revisionist thinkers like you who bend that around to suit
your beliefs. You really need more "discipline" in your reading
comprehension.

LOL!

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On 12/17/17 2:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:55:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Very limited definition of “disciplined�. Engineering is considered a
discipline, and probably a more disciplined course of study than 90%of the
Liberal Arts studies.

When you are talking classic math and some aspects of science
"discipline" is an admirable trait but if you are too disciplined in
believing what is true now, will always be true, even science will not
advance. It was not that long ago that "science" believed we could not
break the sound barrier or split the atom. They could prove it to you
on paper. Those "facts" became obsolete in a little over a decade.


I wasn't talking about discipline as Bill "defined" it. I was describing
a carefully thought out plan of study.

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On 12/17/17 2:13 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 2:07 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 1:57:08 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 1:32 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:53:48 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your beliefs. Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

I never said the were injecting their "religious" beliefs into public policy, ****-for-brains. Just their beliefs. Got it now?

What an idiot you are. And on purpose.


Nope. There's no law against injecting non-religious beliefs. I figured
you were bright enough to realize that, eh? But apparently not.

There's also no law against injecting beliefs that might be aligned with religious beliefs. That's the magic of our democratic system. We just can't have a state supported religion. Majority rules, eh?


Fortunately, we have the ACLU to fight religious nonsense.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Ah, the "free exercise" of religion when it come to electing politicians of the same mindset. Sweet.



I don't give a **** what the religious beliefs are of the assholes you
elect down there...all I ask is they keep their religious beliefs out of
Congress.

"Come talk to us, honey. We pay cash..."
 

On 12/17/17 2:24 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:56:47 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/17/17 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 09:27:21 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Let's try this again:

My comment was that the Jews do not go looking for converts, nor do most
orthodox, conservative, or reform jews evangelize. Are you claiming the
Israelis are converting Muslims to Judaism?

That was not the issue. You said you did not like the idea of state
religions. I also bet the Muslims in Israel will tell you they are
second class citizens. Separate but equal is now OK with you?



There is no state religion in Israel:

Secularism on the Edge: Rethinking Church-State Relations in the United
States, France, and Israel. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. pp. 167–169.
ISBN 978-1-137-38115-6. "The compromise, therefore, was to choose
constructive ambiguity: as surprising as it may seem, there is no law
that declares Judaism the official religion of Israel. However, there is
no other law that declares Israel's neutrality toward all confessions.
Judaism is not recognized as the official religion of the state, and
even though the Jewish, Muslim and Christian clergy receive their
salaries from the state, this fact does not make Israel a neutral state.
This apparent pluralism cannot dissimulate the fact that Israel displays
a clear and undoubtedly hierarchical pluralism in religious matters. ...
It is important to note that from a multicultural point of view, this
self-restrained secularism allows Muslim law to be practiced in Israel
for personal matters of the Muslim community. As surprising as it seems,
if not paradoxical for a state in war, Israel is the only Western
democratic country in which Sharia enjoys such an official status."

Maybe someone should tell the leaders of Israel. They say it is a
Jewish state and their flag demonstrates that.
Only 21% of Israeli Arabs get to vote.
I agree they will not remain a Jewish state if they actually let all
of the Arabs there vote because they will lose all of the elections.
It is the price you pay when you conquer your neighbors and assimilate
their population.



If the Arabs living in Israel are Israeli citizens, they get to vote.

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On 12/17/17 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:53:46 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

The words "separation of religion and state" do not exist in the 1st
amendment. You should "go read it"
It says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ..."
It is just revisionist thinkers like you who bend that around to suit
your beliefs. You really need more "discipline" in your reading
comprehension.



I didn't say it was written as you posted. I said it was called for.

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On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 11:36:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 2:30:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:53:46 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

The words "separation of religion and state" do not exist in the 1st
amendment. You should "go read it"
It says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ..."
It is just revisionist thinkers like you who bend that around to suit
your beliefs. You really need more "discipline" in your reading
comprehension.

Heh. Couldn't agree more.


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He probably didn't get enough "discipline" in his education.

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On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 3:22:29 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 2:13 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 2:07 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 1:57:08 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 1:32 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:53:48 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your beliefs. Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

I never said the were injecting their "religious" beliefs into public policy, ****-for-brains. Just their beliefs. Got it now?

What an idiot you are. And on purpose.


Nope. There's no law against injecting non-religious beliefs. I figured
you were bright enough to realize that, eh? But apparently not.

There's also no law against injecting beliefs that might be aligned with religious beliefs. That's the magic of our democratic system. We just can't have a state supported religion. Majority rules, eh?


Fortunately, we have the ACLU to fight religious nonsense.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Ah, the "free exercise" of religion when it come to electing politicians of the same mindset. Sweet.



I don't give a **** what the religious beliefs are of the assholes you
elect down there...all I ask is they keep their religious beliefs out of
Congress.

And I don't give a **** what the atheist beliefs are of the asshole you vote into office are... all I ask is they keep their ****ty beliefs out of
Congress.