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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 2:45:07 PM UTC-6, John H wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:09:20 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: That's "Tribune", oh great "engrish" major. "In 2016, the Tribune endorsed the Libertarian Party candidate, former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson for president, over Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton." Surely they are "loony", having endorsed a Libertarian. Can't believe a word they print. Strange bedfellows... :) Perhaps such thoughts are true in your little world, JackOff. Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts. The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still cite them. You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated ignorance, they are one and the same. Is the NYTimes not legitimate now? It would have been if it had announced that Hillary had won the presidency... |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:31:40 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/26/17 1:53 PM, wrote: Nice try but Trump has nothing to do with the gun violence in Chicago or anywhere else. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Never said he did, but Grifter Trump obviously favors the restriction of civil liberties. Stop and frisk without a specific reason should be unlawful. Perhaps you should read Terry v Ohio. The proof is in the pudding. Look at haw many illegal weapons were found in New York and more importantly how many were not carried in the first place. I know you will say it is something like only 0.1 percent of the stops yielded a weapon but if only 0.1 percent of those people who were disarmed, shot someone that day, it is still 10 shootings (based on a population of 10 million) that didn't happen. I thought you were all about ignoring the constitution in gun law if we just saved one life. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:32:44 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/26/17 1:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws. We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera. So your solution for prison overcrowding is to let those low level criminals continue down the path of crime until they kill someone and then lock them up for life? How is that working in Baltimore? No, my solution is to build more publicly funded and operated prisons if they are necessary. So the idea of rehabilitating minor criminals before they become major criminals is lost on you. You better build a lot of those prisons. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 11:40:19 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 9:43:13 AM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. Tell us, Mr. Brainiac. Why would a Maryland resident like you be interested in the gun laws and fatalities in Chicago/Cook county Il. ? At least enough to throw your wooden nickels worth of thoughts on this thread... I was not interested enough to drill down on that list but how many guns came from Maryland? |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 15:28:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote: Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts. The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still cite them. You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated ignorance, they are one and the same. You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist. Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them? I don’t consider the Moonie paper any more than the propoganda arm of the Unification church. Then what does that say about the Amazon paper or the Comcast TV networks (everything with an "NBC" in it) with the biggest DNC "bundler". AKA money man, in the US being the VP and political director? The money David Cohen brings them makes Soros look like Fred Sanford. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 15:46:52 -0500, John H
wrote: What you want to bet Harry does not provide a pertinent answer to this question. This does not even need context ... NO "Woosh" is a fart from a brain without a sphincter. No conscious or critical thought, just a knee jerk response. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:31:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: Is the NYTimes not legitimate now? It would have been if it had announced that Hillary had won the presidency... "Joy to the world" Then they would have made excuses for the recession (GOP congress and such), more russian aggression (somehow Ryan's fault) and a worsening of the Syria war (all Bush's fault). Fortunately none of them happened. I guess Jesus did it because Trump hasn't done anything ... or so I hear. ;-) |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/26/17 6:49 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:31:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:53 PM, wrote: Nice try but Trump has nothing to do with the gun violence in Chicago or anywhere else. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Never said he did, but Grifter Trump obviously favors the restriction of civil liberties. Stop and frisk without a specific reason should be unlawful. Perhaps you should read Terry v Ohio. The proof is in the pudding. Look at haw many illegal weapons were found in New York and more importantly how many were not carried in the first place. I know you will say it is something like only 0.1 percent of the stops yielded a weapon but if only 0.1 percent of those people who were disarmed, shot someone that day, it is still 10 shootings (based on a population of 10 million) that didn't happen. I thought you were all about ignoring the constitution in gun law if we just saved one life. Making up stuff again? I'm in favor of strict gun laws, properly enforced. I'm not in favor of the 2nd amendment as it is presently construed, but there is nothing I can do about it. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/26/17 7:05 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:32:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws. We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera. So your solution for prison overcrowding is to let those low level criminals continue down the path of crime until they kill someone and then lock them up for life? How is that working in Baltimore? No, my solution is to build more publicly funded and operated prisons if they are necessary. So the idea of rehabilitating minor criminals before they become major criminals is lost on you. You better build a lot of those prisons. Your synapses are misfiring again. Never said what you claimed. What I did say is that I am not in favor of private, for-profit prisons. You're quite the trip, constantly mis-stating what I post or think. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/26/17 3:24 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote: Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts. The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still cite them. You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated ignorance, they are one and the same. You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist. Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them? The Trib is not controlled by the insane religious right. The Wash Times is. Got it? |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 6:05:46 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:32:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws. We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera. So your solution for prison overcrowding is to let those low level criminals continue down the path of crime until they kill someone and then lock them up for life? How is that working in Baltimore? No, my solution is to build more publicly funded and operated prisons if they are necessary. So the idea of rehabilitating minor criminals before they become major criminals is lost on you. You better build a lot of those prisons. FWIW, In George Ryan's reign, Illinois tried that and lost badly. They built prisons all over the place until funding ran out. Lots of corruption in the building/bidding process. The state lost badly in the financial dept. a lot of prisons were halted before they started. raw materials just sat where they were put. When scrap got high people were stealing the rusty girders and selling them for scrap. At least somebody got some use out of it... |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/26/17 9:10 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 6:05:46 PM UTC-6, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:32:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws. We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera. So your solution for prison overcrowding is to let those low level criminals continue down the path of crime until they kill someone and then lock them up for life? How is that working in Baltimore? No, my solution is to build more publicly funded and operated prisons if they are necessary. So the idea of rehabilitating minor criminals before they become major criminals is lost on you. You better build a lot of those prisons. FWIW, In George Ryan's reign, Illinois tried that and lost badly. They built prisons all over the place until funding ran out. Lots of corruption in the building/bidding process. The state lost badly in the financial dept. a lot of prisons were halted before they started. raw materials just sat where they were put. When scrap got high people were stealing the rusty girders and selling them for scrap. At least somebody got some use out of it... Were those new prisons necessary? |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:49:09 PM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/26/17 9:10 PM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 6:05:46 PM UTC-6, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:32:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws.. We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders.. I don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera. So your solution for prison overcrowding is to let those low level criminals continue down the path of crime until they kill someone and then lock them up for life? How is that working in Baltimore? No, my solution is to build more publicly funded and operated prisons if they are necessary. So the idea of rehabilitating minor criminals before they become major criminals is lost on you. You better build a lot of those prisons. FWIW, In George Ryan's reign, Illinois tried that and lost badly. They built prisons all over the place until funding ran out. Lots of corruption in the building/bidding process. The state lost badly in the financial dept.. a lot of prisons were halted before they started. raw materials just sat where they were put. When scrap got high people were stealing the rusty girders and selling them for scrap. At least somebody got some use out of it.... Were those new prisons necessary? George Ryan thought so. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:06:57 -0500, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 11:40:19 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 9:43:13 AM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. Tell us, Mr. Brainiac. Why would a Maryland resident like you be interested in the gun laws and fatalities in Chicago/Cook county Il. ? At least enough to throw your wooden nickels worth of thoughts on this thread... I was not interested enough to drill down on that list but how many guns came from Maryland? The stats for every state are not provided. The US map with all the circles gives a rough idea. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:19:10 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/26/17 7:05 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:32:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws. We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera. So your solution for prison overcrowding is to let those low level criminals continue down the path of crime until they kill someone and then lock them up for life? How is that working in Baltimore? No, my solution is to build more publicly funded and operated prisons if they are necessary. So the idea of rehabilitating minor criminals before they become major criminals is lost on you. You better build a lot of those prisons. Your synapses are misfiring again. Never said what you claimed. What I did say is that I am not in favor of private, for-profit prisons. You're quite the trip, constantly mis-stating what I post or think. Try to stay on topic and it will be a lot easier. We were talking about "broken Windows" and "stop and frisk" |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:34 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/26/17 3:24 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote: Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts. The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still cite them. You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated ignorance, they are one and the same. You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist. Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them? The Trib is not controlled by the insane religious right. The Wash Times is. Got it? A always had it. If a paper, or anyone else, disagrees with your narrow view of things, there is something wrong with them. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 11:14:02 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:34 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 3:24 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote: Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts. The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still cite them. You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated ignorance, they are one and the same. You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist. Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them? The Trib is not controlled by the insane religious right. The Wash Times is. Got it? A always had it. If a paper, or anyone else, disagrees with your narrow view of things, there is something wrong with them. He only reads and believes things that fit into his narrow world view. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/27/17 12:13 PM, wrote:
On 27 Nov 2017 16:44:03 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:34 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 3:24 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote: Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts. The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still cite them. You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated ignorance, they are one and the same. You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist. Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them? The Trib is not controlled by the insane religious right. The Wash Times is. Got it? A always had it. If a paper, or anyone else, disagrees with your narrow view of things, there is something wrong with them. That’s just stupid. ... but it appears to be true. Any news outlet that has a conservative slant on things is somehow defective to you. On the other hand, if they lean left they are the gospel truth. Oh, really? I don't spend much time whining about the Wall Street Journal, even though it is a Fox New outlet. It is a little more responsible than, say, the NY Post. The Wash Times is a Moonie paper...it's a special case in the world of rightwing propaganda. I actually know a couple of people who worked there and whose reportage was "changed" by the church editors to reflect more of the church' right wing "slant," as you call it. I don't slam the rightwing "Real Clear Politics" site. Oh, I also don't claim any left leaning papers as "the gospel truth." You really have a problem here, fella. You continuously protect your anti-progressive fantasies on others. BTW, what's the catechism of your Libertarians on "stop and frisk," which you favor? |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/27/17 12:23 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 11:14:02 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:34 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 3:24 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote: Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts. The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still cite them. You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated ignorance, they are one and the same. You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist. Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them? The Trib is not controlled by the insane religious right. The Wash Times is. Got it? A always had it. If a paper, or anyone else, disagrees with your narrow view of things, there is something wrong with them. He only reads and believes things that fit into his narrow world view. I'm sure I read a lot more than you do, and from all sides of the spectrum. |
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Nov 26Keyser Soze - hide quoted text - On 11/26/17 2:40 PM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 9:43:13 AM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. Tell us, Mr. Brainiac. Why would a Maryland resident like you be interested in the gun laws and fatalities in Chicago/Cook county Il. ? At least enough to throw your wooden nickels worth of thoughts on this thread... You and your fellow morons here bring it up every chance you get. .... So that’s why you like to throw in your wooden nickels worth? |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 12:28:09 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/27/17 12:23 PM, Its Me wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 11:14:02 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:34 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 3:24 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote: Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts. The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still cite them. You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated ignorance, they are one and the same. You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist. Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them? The Trib is not controlled by the insane religious right. The Wash Times is. Got it? A always had it. If a paper, or anyone else, disagrees with your narrow view of things, there is something wrong with them. He only reads and believes things that fit into his narrow world view. I'm sure I read a lot more than you do, and from all sides of the spectrum. You have no information on which to base that. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 09:41:42 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:
On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 12:28:09 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/27/17 12:23 PM, Its Me wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 11:14:02 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:34 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 3:24 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote: Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts. The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still cite them. You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated ignorance, they are one and the same. You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist. Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them? The Trib is not controlled by the insane religious right. The Wash Times is. Got it? A always had it. If a paper, or anyone else, disagrees with your narrow view of things, there is something wrong with them. He only reads and believes things that fit into his narrow world view. I'm sure I read a lot more than you do, and from all sides of the spectrum. You have no information on which to base that. He tends to make up a lot of his 'facts'. |
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 12:26:59 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: BTW, what's the catechism of your Libertarians on "stop and frisk," which you favor? As part of a larger plan, it is not the worst thing that can happen, particularly if the police use the Terry guidelines of reasonable suspicion. It is hard to deny that the broken windows plan did show striking results against the crime wave that consumed New York before Rudy took over. It should also be noted that in those "safe" European cities you are always talking about, the police have been using these tactics and the low tolerance for quality of life crimes for decades. |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/27/17 4:04 PM, wrote:
On 27 Nov 2017 19:16:19 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Its Me wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 12:28:09 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/27/17 12:23 PM, Its Me wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 11:14:02 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:34 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 3:24 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote: Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts. The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still cite them. You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated ignorance, they are one and the same. You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist. Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them? The Trib is not controlled by the insane religious right. The Wash Times is. Got it? A always had it. If a paper, or anyone else, disagrees with your narrow view of things, there is something wrong with them. He only reads and believes things that fit into his narrow world view. I'm sure I read a lot more than you do, and from all sides of the spectrum. You have no information on which to base that. Your posts are a clue. Your posts and cut/pastes are pretty much all from very liberal news sources that massage their messages as much as Fox or the Times. You just agree so you are blind to it. Because you think that doesn't make it so. Your abilities to perceive what others think here are very, very limited. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 19:17:18 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/27/17 1:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 12:26:59 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: BTW, what's the catechism of your Libertarians on "stop and frisk," which you favor? As part of a larger plan, it is not the worst thing that can happen, particularly if the police use the Terry guidelines of reasonable suspicion. It is hard to deny that the broken windows plan did show striking results against the crime wave that consumed New York before Rudy took over. It should also be noted that in those "safe" European cities you are always talking about, the police have been using these tactics and the low tolerance for quality of life crimes for decades. Not a fan of the 4th Amendment, eh? In the absence of probable cause, why should cops be stopping and frisking...because the object of their attention is a minority? Ah the race card. I knew you would pull that out. Maybe they look harder at some people because that is who is over represented in both the shooters and the victims. Did you even bother to look at the Baltimore Sun table of murder victims? See anything striking about who was being shot? Maybe they are just another biased paper you do not trust. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/26/17 11:57 AM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:43:09 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/26/17 9:10 PM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 6:05:46 PM UTC-6, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:32:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws. We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera. So your solution for prison overcrowding is to let those low level criminals continue down the path of crime until they kill someone and then lock them up for life? How is that working in Baltimore? No, my solution is to build more publicly funded and operated prisons if they are necessary. So the idea of rehabilitating minor criminals before they become major criminals is lost on you. You better build a lot of those prisons. FWIW, In George Ryan's reign, Illinois tried that and lost badly. They built prisons all over the place until funding ran out. Lots of corruption in the building/bidding process. The state lost badly in the financial dept. a lot of prisons were halted before they started. raw materials just sat where they were put. When scrap got high people were stealing the rusty girders and selling them for scrap. At least somebody got some use out of it... Were those new prisons necessary? According to you they were. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
Tim wrote:
On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 9:43:13 AM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. Tell us, Mr. Brainiac. Why would a Maryland resident like you be interested in the gun laws and fatalities in Chicago/Cook county Il. ? At least enough to throw your wooden nickels worth of thoughts on this thread... Because he deflects from Bulletmore, MD.. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/27/17 12:23 PM, Its Me wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 11:14:02 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:34 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 3:24 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:36 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 1:48 PM, wrote: Again an ad hominem attack and ignoring the facts. The Trib did endorse Gary. I guess they must be "looney" yet you still cite them. You boys are going downhill as quickly as Trump. I can differentiate between a news story in a legitimate newspaper and the positions of its editorial writers or board. I suppose in your world of uneducated ignorance, they are one and the same. You really need to make up your mind. Yesterday you were criticizing a paper because you did not like the editorial board and you thought they were slanting the news.. Now you say that slant does not exist. Is it possible you only think it happens when you disagree with them? The Trib is not controlled by the insane religious right. The Wash Times is. Got it? A always had it. If a paper, or anyone else, disagrees with your narrow view of things, there is something wrong with them. He only reads and believes things that fit into his narrow world view. I'm sure I read a lot more than you do, and from all sides of the spectrum. There are a lot of left leaning sources. More than right leaning sources. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk." Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig. You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet is cooling. So what? How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations? BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too. |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk." Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig. You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet is cooling. So what? How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations? BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too. You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally? |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk." Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig. You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet is cooling. So what? How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations? BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too. You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally? At the same time when gang violence and murders were exploding in other cities, NYC became one of our safest. That was what "was happening generally". |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/28/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk." Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig. You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet is cooling. So what? How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations? BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too. You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally? At the same time when gang violence and murders were exploding in other cities, NYC became one of our safest. That was what "was happening generally". Science: https://is.gd/HyUr4s |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk." Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig. You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet is cooling. So what? How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations? BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too. You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally? === There has been a great deal of analysis of NYC's crime statistics. The drop in overall crime, as well as murder rates, was attributable to a broad range of policies and procedures, not just stop and frisk. From Wikipedia: --------------------------------------------------- Violent crime in New York City has been dropping since the mid-1990s[1][2] and, as of 2015, is the lowest of any major city in the United States.[3] In 2014, there were 328 homicides, the lowest number since at least 1963.[2][4] Crime rates spiked in the 1980s and early 1990s as the crack epidemic hit the city.[5][6] According to a 2015 ranking of 50 cities by The Economist, New York was the 10th-overall-safest major city in the world, as well as the 28th-safest in personal safety.[7] During the 1990s the New York City Police Department (NYPD) adopted CompStat, broken windows policing and other strategies in a major effort to reduce crime. The city's dramatic drop in crime has been attributed by criminologists to policing tactics, the end of the crack epidemic, and some have speculated more controversial ideas such as the legalization of abortion approximately 18 years previous[5][6] and the decline of lead poisoning of children.[8] -------------------------------------------------------- I happen to agree with your assessment of Guiliani being a right-wing pig but it's important to also give credit where credit is due. His strategies for reducing crime were right on the money as proven by NYC's reduced rates, as other major cities with similar demographics increased. [1] Langan; Matthew R. Durose (December 3–5, 2003). "The Remarkable Drop in Crime in New York City". 2003 International Conference on Crime. Rome, Italy. Retrieved April 17, 2009. [2]Chung, Jen (January 1, 2015). "NYC Murder Rate Drops To New Historic Low In 2014". The Gothamist. Archived from the original on January 18, 2015. [3] http://www.amny.com/opinion/homicide-rate-still-at-historic-lows-in-new-york-1.11210870 [4] Goodman, J. David; Baker, Al (December 31, 2014). "Murders in New York Drop to a Record Low, but Officers Aren't Celebrating". The New York Times. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:13:12 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/28/17 12:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk." Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig. You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet is cooling. So what? How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations? BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too. You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally? At the same time when gang violence and murders were exploding in other cities, NYC became one of our safest. That was what "was happening generally". Science: https://is.gd/HyUr4s Do you read for content or just pick out the cherry you want? From your article "While violent crime overall has been declining for about two decades, there was a sharp increase in the violent crime rate in 2015. Homicides have continued to spike in major cities this year, " .... but it went down in New York to historic lows in 2014-15 with murder being 3.1 per 100,000 "Crimes" doesn't mean much if you are lumping snatching a purse in with murder. This is what "science" looks like. You presented "opinion" http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm The top of that spike on your unlabeled chart was Koch/Dinkins and when Guiliani/Bloomberg took over the big drop started. (14.5 to 3.1) I understand you prefer opinion pieces that present the point you want to make but I prefer actually looking at the numbers. THAT is science. |
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:42:38 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 11:19 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/28/17 1:23 AM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:35:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. The FOAD solution. Do the same thing, add som more laws, which are make no difference. Do the same thing and hope for a difference. Sad, you are so biased and ignorant. It is interesting that when Giuliani and Bratton actually came up with something that did have a dramatic effect on violent crime, he ****s on it and cries "racism". What could be more racist than not doing all you can to stop the crime that makes the streets of Chicago or Baltimore more dangerous for a young black man than serving in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria? There are legit studies that show no real impact of "stop and frisk." Easy enough to find them. Guiliani was and is a right-wing pig. You can find "studies" that say the earth is flat and that the planet is cooling. So what? How many illegal guns did they get off the street? What happened to the murder rate during the Rudy and Mike administrations? BTW is Bloomberg a right wing pig too. You have carefully researched data that proves what you are claiming was not coincidental or just following along what was happening generally? === There has been a great deal of analysis of NYC's crime statistics. The drop in overall crime, as well as murder rates, was attributable to a broad range of policies and procedures, not just stop and frisk. From Wikipedia: --------------------------------------------------- Violent crime in New York City has been dropping since the mid-1990s[1][2] and, as of 2015, is the lowest of any major city in the United States.[3] In 2014, there were 328 homicides, the lowest number since at least 1963.[2][4] Crime rates spiked in the 1980s and early 1990s as the crack epidemic hit the city.[5][6] According to a 2015 ranking of 50 cities by The Economist, New York was the 10th-overall-safest major city in the world, as well as the 28th-safest in personal safety.[7] During the 1990s the New York City Police Department (NYPD) adopted CompStat, broken windows policing and other strategies in a major effort to reduce crime. The city's dramatic drop in crime has been attributed by criminologists to policing tactics, the end of the crack epidemic, and some have speculated more controversial ideas such as the legalization of abortion approximately 18 years previous[5][6] and the decline of lead poisoning of children.[8] -------------------------------------------------------- I happen to agree with your assessment of Guiliani being a right-wing pig but it's important to also give credit where credit is due. His strategies for reducing crime were right on the money as proven by NYC's reduced rates, as other major cities with similar demographics increased. [1] Langan; Matthew R. Durose (December 3–5, 2003). "The Remarkable Drop in Crime in New York City". 2003 International Conference on Crime. Rome, Italy. Retrieved April 17, 2009. [2]Chung, Jen (January 1, 2015). "NYC Murder Rate Drops To New Historic Low In 2014". The Gothamist. Archived from the original on January 18, 2015. [3] http://www.amny.com/opinion/homicide-rate-still-at-historic-lows-in-new-york-1.11210870 [4] Goodman, J. David; Baker, Al (December 31, 2014). "Murders in New York Drop to a Record Low, but Officers Aren't Celebrating". The New York Times. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Why isn't Rahm privy to all this information? -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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