I'd hate to be the Air Force member..
 

....who let that slip through the cracks.

"The Air Force also acknowledged that it had failed to transmit information about Kelley’s
conviction to the National Criminal Information Center (NCIC) system, a U.S. government data bank
used by licensed firearms dealers to check prospective gun buyers for criminal backgrounds."

http://tinyurl.com/yclpllx3

I'd hate to be the Air Force member..
 

On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 08:55:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

...who let that slip through the cracks.

"The Air Force also acknowledged that it had failed to transmit information about Kelley’s
conviction to the National Criminal Information Center (NCIC) system, a U.S. government data bank
used by licensed firearms dealers to check prospective gun buyers for criminal backgrounds."

http://tinyurl.com/yclpllx3


===

Like most governmental CFs it will probably turn out to be the fault
of organizational leadership faulure. I'd be really surprised if any
one individual is charged with negligence, and I'd also bet that they
will find a lot of other lapses.

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I'd hate to be the Air Force member..
 

On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 09:35:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 08:55:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

...who let that slip through the cracks.

"The Air Force also acknowledged that it had failed to transmit information about Kelley’s
conviction to the National Criminal Information Center (NCIC) system, a U.S. government data bank
used by licensed firearms dealers to check prospective gun buyers for criminal backgrounds."

http://tinyurl.com/yclpllx3


===

Like most governmental CFs it will probably turn out to be the fault
of organizational leadership faulure. I'd be really surprised if any
one individual is charged with negligence, and I'd also bet that they
will find a lot of other lapses.

It is things like this that make me wonder why people can say the
government should be the solution to all of our problems when their
incompetence is demonstrated every day.
This is clearly a failure of the process and I agree there are going
to be thousands of other lapses in this flawed process. If people like
Harry want universal background checks they should, first, be
interested in the validity of the data that is used in that background
check. It does go both ways. There are people on the "no buy" list
that are on there by mistake (not an easy thing to fix) and there are
others who should be and aren't.

I'd hate to be the Air Force member..
 

On 11/7/2017 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 09:35:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 08:55:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

...who let that slip through the cracks.

"The Air Force also acknowledged that it had failed to transmit information about Kelley’s
conviction to the National Criminal Information Center (NCIC) system, a U.S. government data bank
used by licensed firearms dealers to check prospective gun buyers for criminal backgrounds."

http://tinyurl.com/yclpllx3


===

Like most governmental CFs it will probably turn out to be the fault
of organizational leadership faulure. I'd be really surprised if any
one individual is charged with negligence, and I'd also bet that they
will find a lot of other lapses.

It is things like this that make me wonder why people can say the
government should be the solution to all of our problems when their
incompetence is demonstrated every day.
This is clearly a failure of the process and I agree there are going
to be thousands of other lapses in this flawed process. If people like
Harry want universal background checks they should, first, be
interested in the validity of the data that is used in that background
check. It does go both ways. There are people on the "no buy" list
that are on there by mistake (not an easy thing to fix) and there are
others who should be and aren't.



There must be a couple of hundred lawyers heading for Texas right now.
Can a private citizen sue the Air Force or Department of Defense?

If so, this could cost the government millions upon millions if not more.

I'd hate to be the Air Force member..
 

On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 11:24:34 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 09:35:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 08:55:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

...who let that slip through the cracks.

"The Air Force also acknowledged that it had failed to transmit information about Kelley’s
conviction to the National Criminal Information Center (NCIC) system, a U.S. government data bank
used by licensed firearms dealers to check prospective gun buyers for criminal backgrounds."

http://tinyurl.com/yclpllx3


===

Like most governmental CFs it will probably turn out to be the fault
of organizational leadership faulure. I'd be really surprised if any
one individual is charged with negligence, and I'd also bet that they
will find a lot of other lapses.

It is things like this that make me wonder why people can say the
government should be the solution to all of our problems when their
incompetence is demonstrated every day.
This is clearly a failure of the process and I agree there are going
to be thousands of other lapses in this flawed process. If people like
Harry want universal background checks they should, first, be
interested in the validity of the data that is used in that background
check. It does go both ways. There are people on the "no buy" list
that are on there by mistake (not an easy thing to fix) and there are
others who should be and aren't.


===

And to add insult to injury, it is remarkably easy to make your own
undocumented, fully functional, AR-15 type, semi automatic rifle
because of loopholes in the regs. I wonder how long it will take for
some of those to show up.

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I'd hate to be the Air Force member..
 

On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:53:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/7/2017 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 09:35:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 08:55:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

...who let that slip through the cracks.

"The Air Force also acknowledged that it had failed to transmit information about Kelley’s
conviction to the National Criminal Information Center (NCIC) system, a U.S. government data bank
used by licensed firearms dealers to check prospective gun buyers for criminal backgrounds."

http://tinyurl.com/yclpllx3


===

Like most governmental CFs it will probably turn out to be the fault
of organizational leadership faulure. I'd be really surprised if any
one individual is charged with negligence, and I'd also bet that they
will find a lot of other lapses.

It is things like this that make me wonder why people can say the
government should be the solution to all of our problems when their
incompetence is demonstrated every day.
This is clearly a failure of the process and I agree there are going
to be thousands of other lapses in this flawed process. If people like
Harry want universal background checks they should, first, be
interested in the validity of the data that is used in that background
check. It does go both ways. There are people on the "no buy" list
that are on there by mistake (not an easy thing to fix) and there are
others who should be and aren't.



There must be a couple of hundred lawyers heading for Texas right now.
Can a private citizen sue the Air Force or Department of Defense?

If so, this could cost the government millions upon millions if not more.


===

My (limited) understanding is that you can not sue the federal
government unless the government agrees to it first.

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I'd hate to be the Air Force member..
 

On 11/7/2017 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:53:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/7/2017 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 09:35:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 08:55:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

...who let that slip through the cracks.

"The Air Force also acknowledged that it had failed to transmit information about Kelley’s
conviction to the National Criminal Information Center (NCIC) system, a U.S. government data bank
used by licensed firearms dealers to check prospective gun buyers for criminal backgrounds."

http://tinyurl.com/yclpllx3


===

Like most governmental CFs it will probably turn out to be the fault
of organizational leadership faulure. I'd be really surprised if any
one individual is charged with negligence, and I'd also bet that they
will find a lot of other lapses.

It is things like this that make me wonder why people can say the
government should be the solution to all of our problems when their
incompetence is demonstrated every day.
This is clearly a failure of the process and I agree there are going
to be thousands of other lapses in this flawed process. If people like
Harry want universal background checks they should, first, be
interested in the validity of the data that is used in that background
check. It does go both ways. There are people on the "no buy" list
that are on there by mistake (not an easy thing to fix) and there are
others who should be and aren't.



There must be a couple of hundred lawyers heading for Texas right now.
Can a private citizen sue the Air Force or Department of Defense?

If so, this could cost the government millions upon millions if not more.


===

My (limited) understanding is that you can not sue the federal
government unless the government agrees to it first.


Didn't read the whole thing but the first few sentences suggests you can:

https://nationaltriallaw.com/can-sue-va-army-navy-air-force/

I'd hate to be the Air Force member..
 

On 11/7/2017 12:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/7/2017 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:53:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/7/2017 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 09:35:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 08:55:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

...who let that slip through the cracks.

"The Air Force also acknowledged that it had failed to transmit
information about Kelley’s
conviction to the National Criminal Information Center (NCIC)
system, a U.S. government data bank
used by licensed firearms dealers to check prospective gun buyers
for criminal backgrounds."

http://tinyurl.com/yclpllx3


===

Like most governmental CFs it will probably turn out to be the fault
of organizational leadership faulure.Â* I'd be really surprised if any
one individual is charged with negligence, and I'd also bet that they
will find a lot of other lapses.

It is things like this that make me wonder why people can say the
government should be the solution to all of our problems when their
incompetence is demonstrated every day.
This is clearly a failure of the process and I agree there are going
to be thousands of other lapses in this flawed process. If people like
Harry want universal background checks they should, first, be
interested in the validity of the data that is used in that background
check. It does go both ways. There are people on the "no buy" list
that are on there by mistake (not an easy thing to fix) and there are
others who should be and aren't.



There must be a couple of hundred lawyers heading for Texas right now.
Can a private citizen sue the Air Force or Department of Defense?

If so, this could cost the government millions upon millions if not
more.


===

My (limited) understanding is that you can not sue the federal
government unless the government agrees to it first.



Didn't read the whole thing but the first few sentences suggests you can:

https://nationaltriallaw.com/can-sue-va-army-navy-air-force/


Read some more of it. It seems to be related to medical care issues but
it could be interpreted to more.

Active duty military personnel are barred from suing the government
under something called the Feres Doctrine decided in 1950 by the SCOTUS.

I'd hate to be the Air Force member..
 

On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 09:35:13 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 08:55:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

...who let that slip through the cracks.

"The Air Force also acknowledged that it had failed to transmit information about Kelley’s
conviction to the National Criminal Information Center (NCIC) system, a U.S. government data bank
used by licensed firearms dealers to check prospective gun buyers for criminal backgrounds."

http://tinyurl.com/yclpllx3


===

Like most governmental CFs it will probably turn out to be the fault
of organizational leadership faulure. I'd be really surprised if any
one individual is charged with negligence, and I'd also bet that they
will find a lot of other lapses.

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Oh, I doubt any charges will be brought. Hell, it was probably just a mistake...simple negligence.
But, it may well cost him an ass-chewing and a down mark on his next efficiency report. And, all it
takes is one bad report to knock a career all to hell.

I'd hate to be the Air Force member..
 

On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:53:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/7/2017 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 09:35:13 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 08:55:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

...who let that slip through the cracks.

"The Air Force also acknowledged that it had failed to transmit information about Kelley’s
conviction to the National Criminal Information Center (NCIC) system, a U.S. government data bank
used by licensed firearms dealers to check prospective gun buyers for criminal backgrounds."

http://tinyurl.com/yclpllx3


===

Like most governmental CFs it will probably turn out to be the fault
of organizational leadership faulure. I'd be really surprised if any
one individual is charged with negligence, and I'd also bet that they
will find a lot of other lapses.

It is things like this that make me wonder why people can say the
government should be the solution to all of our problems when their
incompetence is demonstrated every day.
This is clearly a failure of the process and I agree there are going
to be thousands of other lapses in this flawed process. If people like
Harry want universal background checks they should, first, be
interested in the validity of the data that is used in that background
check. It does go both ways. There are people on the "no buy" list
that are on there by mistake (not an easy thing to fix) and there are
others who should be and aren't.



There must be a couple of hundred lawyers heading for Texas right now.
Can a private citizen sue the Air Force or Department of Defense?

If so, this could cost the government millions upon millions if not more.


Maybe. https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...TCA-29705.html