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On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:12:54 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 2:07 PM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 11:57:10 -0400, John H wrote: Here are the '10 Least Reliable Cars' from the latest CR reliability survey. The least of the least is at the bottom. Chevrolet Camaro Mercedes-Benz GLC Jaguar F-Pace GMC Acadia Fiat 500 Ford Focus Ford Fiesta Volvo XC90 Cadillac Escalade Tesla Model X All of these got 'one out of five' in the predicted reliability rating, based on the results of the owner surveys. Maybe folks are a bit more honest than we might think when it comes to rating their own cars. I wonder if some of this is just that a guy who paid $70-100k for a Cadillac or a Jag is a little less tolerant of a little misalignment of the door or a squeak behind the dash than a guy with a $20k Versa Why should the buyer of a new inexpensive car be tolerant of a poorly assembled vehicle? Surprised the list of the least reliable cars doesn't include Jeep vehicles. Well, if those folks took Consumer Reports seriously, they wouldn't be driving Jeeps. I'm guessing most Jeep owners don't take Consumer Reports and therefore aren't asked to take the surveys. Or, they are so brand loyal, which CR acknowledges in its ratings, that they pretend to have had no problems.. |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 07:28:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 10/27/2017 7:07 AM, John H wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:13:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/26/2017 4:14 PM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:20:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/26/2017 2:12 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 2:07 PM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 11:57:10 -0400, John H wrote: Here are the '10 Least Reliable Cars' from the latest CR reliability survey. The least of the least is at the bottom. Chevrolet Camaro Mercedes-Benz GLC Jaguar F-Pace GMC Acadia Fiat 500 Ford Focus Ford Fiesta Volvo XC90 Cadillac Escalade Tesla Model X All of these got 'one out of five' in the predicted reliability rating, based on the results of the owner surveys. Maybe folks are a bit more honest than we might think when it comes to rating their own cars. I wonder if some of this is just that a guy who paid $70-100k for a Cadillac or a Jag is a little less tolerant of a little misalignment of the door or a squeak behind the dash than a guy with a $20k Versa Why should the buyer of a new inexpensive car be tolerant of a poorly assembled vehicle? Surprised the list of the least reliable cars doesn't include Jeep vehicles. Me too. Based on what I've read the current crop of Jeeps have a terrible reputation for reliability problems and being outdated in design in general. My daughter can't wait until her lease is up on a Jeep Liberty she has. I've driven it. It's terrible. Transmission shudders at slow speeds but she was told it's "normal". My brother also bought a Jeep Compass a couple of months ago, replacing a 12 year old, rotted out Dodge Ram pickup. His shutters also at slow speeds, so perhaps it *is* normal. He's already shopping for a replacement for it Not much of a sampling but consistent with many of the on-line reviews. I had problems with my 72 AMC Jeep too but I beat the **** out of it. Followup: I received a call from my daughter an hour ago asking if I could give her a ride to her car dealership. She had dropped her Jeep off for an inspection sticker this morning. She also had a couple of lights out ... parking light and a running light and they all have to work to pass inspection. She didn't hear from the dealership all day and finally called them to see if it was ready. She was transferred to the service manager who told her, "There's a problem. The problem with the lights is not the bulbs or LEDs. There's a problem in the wiring of the vehicle and we haven't been able to trace it so far." So, they gave her a loaner .. a new Dodge Charger. About two months ago her Jeep suddenly started by itself in her driveway at about 1 am. The lights turned on and the horn started beeping. My son-in-law heard it, went out and somehow shut it off. Probably related to the wiring problem. I would advise anyone not to buy a Jeep. Amen. The latest CR review of mid-size SUVs puts the Jeep Wrangler at the bottom with a score of 29. The high score in this category is the Toyota Highlander with an 85. The Dodge Journey and Jeep Cherokee are also in the bottom four, with scores of 41 and 59 respectively. The Ford Explorer tied with the Jeep Cherokee. What cracks me up are some reviews that give scores for different vehicles made by the same manufacturer but under different brand names. For example, a GMC 1500 might score high and a Chevy Silverado 1500 might score low (or visa-versa) even though they are fundamentally the same truck, same engine, same transmission, etc. CR lists those two individually in the ratings, but they have identical ratings. They are listed individually so one can input make, model, and year for whichever they're interested and get a result. |
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On 27 Oct 2017 03:01:19 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:32:06 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:12:37 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:17:46 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:07:10 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 11:57:10 -0400, John H wrote: Here are the '10 Least Reliable Cars' from the latest CR reliability survey. The least of the least is at the bottom. Chevrolet Camaro Mercedes-Benz GLC Jaguar F-Pace GMC Acadia Fiat 500 Ford Focus Ford Fiesta Volvo XC90 Cadillac Escalade Tesla Model X All of these got 'one out of five' in the predicted reliability rating, based on the results of the owner surveys. Maybe folks are a bit more honest than we might think when it comes to rating their own cars. I wonder if some of this is just that a guy who paid $70-100k for a Cadillac or a Jag is a little less tolerant of a little misalignment of the door or a squeak behind the dash than a guy with a $20k Versa Could well be. But if there are more misalignments or squeaks in the Cadillac or Jag then the various Lexus' then the ratings are doing their job. The CR survey covers about 25 different 'topics' in the auto section, like sound system, navigation, engine electronics, brakes, transmission, etc. Once a topic is identified, further questions are asked if the topic was a problem area. I wouldn't think may folks would whine about their transmission if their problem was a squeak in the dash. The principle is still there tho. If I have a new Lincoln that is shifting a little rough, I am complaining. If it is a Yugo, I might just believe that is how they work. I do agree Lexus (a premium Toyota) is a well built car but it was the Japs who taught Detroit about quality. In the 70s and 80s we were talking about how well Hondas were built and the UAW was still making jokes about leaving coke bottles in the door. The only one that surprised me was the Benz. I wonder where the GLC they tested was made? Finland? Those may be left over commies from the Trebant factory ;-) The thing for you and Luddite to do is never look at Consumer Reports. The reality is that for most people "quality" is really pretty far down on the list of what they look into when buying a car. They look at price, styling, performance, maybe gas mileage and the doodads available. Then there is the culture. Ford people buy Fords, Toyota people buy Toyotas etc. How would you know that? Results of a poll? Just watching the cars turn over in people's driveways and talking to them. There is some logic to it since the culture of different cars is different. If you drive Fords, a new one is similar to your old one in placement and operation of the controls. If you get into a Honda, you will have a hard time turning on the wipers without getting the book out. That really becomes apparent when you start playing with the smart dash. We rent a lot of cars and using them is always an adventure. My feelings on renting cars is the same as renting bedrooms. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 10/27/2017 7:51 AM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 07:28:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/27/2017 7:07 AM, John H wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:13:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/26/2017 4:14 PM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:20:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/26/2017 2:12 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 2:07 PM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 11:57:10 -0400, John H wrote: Here are the '10 Least Reliable Cars' from the latest CR reliability survey. The least of the least is at the bottom. Chevrolet Camaro Mercedes-Benz GLC Jaguar F-Pace GMC Acadia Fiat 500 Ford Focus Ford Fiesta Volvo XC90 Cadillac Escalade Tesla Model X All of these got 'one out of five' in the predicted reliability rating, based on the results of the owner surveys. Maybe folks are a bit more honest than we might think when it comes to rating their own cars. I wonder if some of this is just that a guy who paid $70-100k for a Cadillac or a Jag is a little less tolerant of a little misalignment of the door or a squeak behind the dash than a guy with a $20k Versa Why should the buyer of a new inexpensive car be tolerant of a poorly assembled vehicle? Surprised the list of the least reliable cars doesn't include Jeep vehicles. Me too. Based on what I've read the current crop of Jeeps have a terrible reputation for reliability problems and being outdated in design in general. My daughter can't wait until her lease is up on a Jeep Liberty she has. I've driven it. It's terrible. Transmission shudders at slow speeds but she was told it's "normal". My brother also bought a Jeep Compass a couple of months ago, replacing a 12 year old, rotted out Dodge Ram pickup. His shutters also at slow speeds, so perhaps it *is* normal. He's already shopping for a replacement for it Not much of a sampling but consistent with many of the on-line reviews. I had problems with my 72 AMC Jeep too but I beat the **** out of it. Followup: I received a call from my daughter an hour ago asking if I could give her a ride to her car dealership. She had dropped her Jeep off for an inspection sticker this morning. She also had a couple of lights out ... parking light and a running light and they all have to work to pass inspection. She didn't hear from the dealership all day and finally called them to see if it was ready. She was transferred to the service manager who told her, "There's a problem. The problem with the lights is not the bulbs or LEDs. There's a problem in the wiring of the vehicle and we haven't been able to trace it so far." So, they gave her a loaner .. a new Dodge Charger. About two months ago her Jeep suddenly started by itself in her driveway at about 1 am. The lights turned on and the horn started beeping. My son-in-law heard it, went out and somehow shut it off. Probably related to the wiring problem. I would advise anyone not to buy a Jeep. Amen. The latest CR review of mid-size SUVs puts the Jeep Wrangler at the bottom with a score of 29. The high score in this category is the Toyota Highlander with an 85. The Dodge Journey and Jeep Cherokee are also in the bottom four, with scores of 41 and 59 respectively. The Ford Explorer tied with the Jeep Cherokee. What cracks me up are some reviews that give scores for different vehicles made by the same manufacturer but under different brand names. For example, a GMC 1500 might score high and a Chevy Silverado 1500 might score low (or visa-versa) even though they are fundamentally the same truck, same engine, same transmission, etc. CR lists those two individually in the ratings, but they have identical ratings. They are listed individually so one can input make, model, and year for whichever they're interested and get a result. Sounds like they do a better job. I wasn't referring to CR reviews or scores. Just stuff I occasionally come across on the Internet. |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 06:12:56 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:54:14 -0400, wrote: The reality is that for most people "quality" is really pretty far down on the list of what they look into when buying a car. They look at price, styling, performance, maybe gas mileage and the doodads available. Then there is the culture. Ford people buy Fords, Toyota people buy Toyotas etc. My wife bought a Toyota for herself because after 15 years with a Toyota 4-Runner, our only expenditures on the latter were for regular service. We gave the 4Runner to a relative when it had more than 200,000 miles on it, and it is still going strong. I bought a Toyota Tacoma truck last year for the same reason...Toyotas have great reputations for reliability, which is a synonym for "quality." A guy down the street and a relative in Florida have Audis, and both owners say the same thing in their own words...too complicated, over-engineered, very expensive to fix even the simplest failures. But they are "stylish" cars. :) Thanks for confirming what I said ... after your normal negative comments |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 07:28:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 10/27/2017 7:07 AM, John H wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:13:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/26/2017 4:14 PM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:20:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/26/2017 2:12 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/26/17 2:07 PM, wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 11:57:10 -0400, John H wrote: Here are the '10 Least Reliable Cars' from the latest CR reliability survey. The least of the least is at the bottom. Chevrolet Camaro Mercedes-Benz GLC Jaguar F-Pace GMC Acadia Fiat 500 Ford Focus Ford Fiesta Volvo XC90 Cadillac Escalade Tesla Model X All of these got 'one out of five' in the predicted reliability rating, based on the results of the owner surveys. Maybe folks are a bit more honest than we might think when it comes to rating their own cars. I wonder if some of this is just that a guy who paid $70-100k for a Cadillac or a Jag is a little less tolerant of a little misalignment of the door or a squeak behind the dash than a guy with a $20k Versa Why should the buyer of a new inexpensive car be tolerant of a poorly assembled vehicle? Surprised the list of the least reliable cars doesn't include Jeep vehicles. Me too. Based on what I've read the current crop of Jeeps have a terrible reputation for reliability problems and being outdated in design in general. My daughter can't wait until her lease is up on a Jeep Liberty she has. I've driven it. It's terrible. Transmission shudders at slow speeds but she was told it's "normal". My brother also bought a Jeep Compass a couple of months ago, replacing a 12 year old, rotted out Dodge Ram pickup. His shutters also at slow speeds, so perhaps it *is* normal. He's already shopping for a replacement for it Not much of a sampling but consistent with many of the on-line reviews. I had problems with my 72 AMC Jeep too but I beat the **** out of it. Followup: I received a call from my daughter an hour ago asking if I could give her a ride to her car dealership. She had dropped her Jeep off for an inspection sticker this morning. She also had a couple of lights out ... parking light and a running light and they all have to work to pass inspection. She didn't hear from the dealership all day and finally called them to see if it was ready. She was transferred to the service manager who told her, "There's a problem. The problem with the lights is not the bulbs or LEDs. There's a problem in the wiring of the vehicle and we haven't been able to trace it so far." So, they gave her a loaner .. a new Dodge Charger. About two months ago her Jeep suddenly started by itself in her driveway at about 1 am. The lights turned on and the horn started beeping. My son-in-law heard it, went out and somehow shut it off. Probably related to the wiring problem. I would advise anyone not to buy a Jeep. Amen. The latest CR review of mid-size SUVs puts the Jeep Wrangler at the bottom with a score of 29. The high score in this category is the Toyota Highlander with an 85. The Dodge Journey and Jeep Cherokee are also in the bottom four, with scores of 41 and 59 respectively. The Ford Explorer tied with the Jeep Cherokee. What cracks me up are some reviews that give scores for different vehicles made by the same manufacturer but under different brand names. For example, a GMC 1500 might score high and a Chevy Silverado 1500 might score low (or visa-versa) even though they are fundamentally the same truck, same engine, same transmission, etc. That sounds more like a personality profile of the responders than a review of the truck then. |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 08:32:58 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
We rent a lot of cars and using them is always an adventure. My feelings on renting cars is the same as renting bedrooms. When we are renting a car, we are usually renting a bedroom too. (also an airplane seat). |
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On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:38:05 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 06:12:56 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:54:14 -0400, wrote: The reality is that for most people "quality" is really pretty far down on the list of what they look into when buying a car. They look at price, styling, performance, maybe gas mileage and the doodads available. Then there is the culture. Ford people buy Fords, Toyota people buy Toyotas etc. My wife bought a Toyota for herself because after 15 years with a Toyota 4-Runner, our only expenditures on the latter were for regular service. We gave the 4Runner to a relative when it had more than 200,000 miles on it, and it is still going strong. I bought a Toyota Tacoma truck last year for the same reason...Toyotas have great reputations for reliability, which is a synonym for "quality." A guy down the street and a relative in Florida have Audis, and both owners say the same thing in their own words...too complicated, over-engineered, very expensive to fix even the simplest failures. But they are "stylish" cars. :) Thanks for confirming what I said ... after your normal negative comments Except that it's not completely true. The Audi's of old were problematic, but in the last decade they have climbed to the top of the European ladder of quality. My 2013 has needed exactly one repair... a sticking fuel door latch. Done under warranty. Audi interiors are considered the best in the business for materials, fit and finish, and ergonomics. Ride and handling dynamics are top notch. The Quattro system is world class. You have to pay to play. But you're right... some people don't do their homework and look at the cost of ownership. They buy on looks and prestige. Then when they find themselves in over their head they whine and complain. You have to wonder if they even took a test drive and bothered to look at the sticker. Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 08:32:58 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: We rent a lot of cars and using them is always an adventure. My feelings on renting cars is the same as renting bedrooms. When we are renting a car, we are usually renting a bedroom too. (also an airplane seat). I must be anti-social. I shy away from all of those things. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 13:09:58 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
Wrote in message: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 08:32:58 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: We rent a lot of cars and using them is always an adventure. My feelings on renting cars is the same as renting bedrooms. When we are renting a car, we are usually renting a bedroom too. (also an airplane seat). I must be anti-social. I shy away from all of those things. Gotta have our own cooties, eh? I don't think my wife would stay in a motel room any more. |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:38:05 AM UTC-4, wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 06:12:56 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:54:14 -0400, wrote: The reality is that for most people "quality" is really pretty far down on the list of what they look into when buying a car. They look at price, styling, performance, maybe gas mileage and the doodads available. Then there is the culture. Ford people buy Fords, Toyota people buy Toyotas etc. My wife bought a Toyota for herself because after 15 years with a Toyota 4-Runner, our only expenditures on the latter were for regular service. We gave the 4Runner to a relative when it had more than 200,000 miles on it, and it is still going strong. I bought a Toyota Tacoma truck last year for the same reason...Toyotas have great reputations for reliability, which is a synonym for "quality." A guy down the street and a relative in Florida have Audis, and both owners say the same thing in their own words...too complicated, over-engineered, very expensive to fix even the simplest failures. But they are "stylish" cars. :) Thanks for confirming what I said ... after your normal negative comments Except that it's not completely true. The Audi's of old were problematic, but in the last decade they have climbed to the top of the European ladder of quality. My 2013 has needed exactly one repair... a sticking fuel door latch. Done under warranty. Audi interiors are considered the best in the business for materials, fit and finish, and ergonomics. Ride and handling dynamics are top notch. The Quattro system is world class. You have to pay to play. But you're right... some people don't do their homework and look at the cost of ownership. They buy on looks and prestige. Then when they find themselves in over their head they whine and complain. You have to wonder if they even took a test drive and bothered to look at the sticker. Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) FWIW, the 2018 Audi A4 is at the top of the CR ratings for luxury compact cars. |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:54:14 -0400, wrote: The reality is that for most people "quality" is really pretty far down on the list of what they look into when buying a car. They look at price, styling, performance, maybe gas mileage and the doodads available. Then there is the culture. Ford people buy Fords, Toyota people buy Toyotas etc. My wife bought a Toyota for herself because after 15 years with a Toyota 4-Runner, our only expenditures on the latter were for regular service. We gave the 4Runner to a relative when it had more than 200,000 miles on it, and it is still going strong. I bought a Toyota Tacoma truck last year for the same reason...Toyotas have great reputations for reliability, which is a synonym for "quality." A guy down the street and a relative in Florida have Audis, and both owners say the same thing in their own words...too complicated, over-engineered, very expensive to fix even the simplest failures. But they are "stylish" cars. :) The non-union craftsmanship of Toyotas is impressive. |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that. |
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On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that. Engine efficiencies have come a long way. The Canyon I bought has a V6 rated at 308 hp. It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a lot. I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for kicks. Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot right along. |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 13:16:26 -0400, John H
wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 13:09:58 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 08:32:58 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: We rent a lot of cars and using them is always an adventure. My feelings on renting cars is the same as renting bedrooms. When we are renting a car, we are usually renting a bedroom too. (also an airplane seat). I must be anti-social. I shy away from all of those things. I don't think my wife would stay in a motel room any more. Not even this one? http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...ing%20room.jpg http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...%20bedroom.jpg |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 22:17:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that. My beat up old Prelude is exciting enough for me. It may handle as well as my 69 Corvette and it goes plenty fast enough to get a ticket. |
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On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that. Engine efficiencies have come a long way. The Canyon I bought has a V6 rated at 308 hp. It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a lot. I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for kicks. Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot right along. My Edge V6which probably weighs close to 5k got 29.6 mpg on a recent road trip. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation.Â* I just wish they weren't so boring to drive.Â* :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds.Â* Nothing boring about that. Engine efficiencies have come a long way.Â* The Canyon I bought has a V6 rated at 308 hp.Â* It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a lot.Â* I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for kicks.Â* Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot right along. What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical 60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder auto up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and averaged 37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door sedan. :) |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 23:36:18 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 13:16:26 -0400, John H wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 13:09:58 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 08:32:58 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: We rent a lot of cars and using them is always an adventure. My feelings on renting cars is the same as renting bedrooms. When we are renting a car, we are usually renting a bedroom too. (also an airplane seat). I must be anti-social. I shy away from all of those things. I don't think my wife would stay in a motel room any more. Not even this one? http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...ing%20room.jpg http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...%20bedroom.jpg Maybe...if she brought her own linens or washed the existing ones first! But, only if for some reason we couldn't take the RV. When we next go to Holland we're thinking of spending a few days in Iceland. There we'll have to stay in hotel. She'll not like it. |
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On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:17:40 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that. To me there's more to driving than going in a straight line. :) |
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On 10/28/2017 8:03 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that. Engine efficiencies have come a long way. The Canyon I bought has a V6 rated at 308 hp. It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a lot. I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for kicks. Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot right along. My Edge V6 which probably weighs close to 5k got 29.6 mpg on a recent road trip. I drive easy on the throttle most of the time and almost all my driving is "around town". Getting 20 - 22 mpg. Someday I'll take a long highway trip and see what it gets. On my last monthly "Onstar" driving report (which records hard acceleration and braking occurrences) it said I driver better than 95 percent of the national population and better than 97 percent of MA drivers (who have Onstar). |
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On 10/28/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation.Â* I just wish they weren't so boring to drive.Â* :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds.Â* Nothing boring about that. Engine efficiencies have come a long way.Â* The Canyon I bought has a V6 rated at 308 hp.Â* It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a lot.Â* I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for kicks.Â* Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot right along. What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical 60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder auto up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and averaged 37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door sedan.Â* :) I get 20-22 MPG driving around town (no highway driving) under similar conditions as you described. Haven't taken a long highway trip yet, so I don't know what kind of mileage it gets. The V6 and 8 speed transmission in the 2017 Canyon replaces the V6 and 6 speed it used in previous years. It has a little more horsepower and torque. It's not a new engine or transmission. It has been used in the Cadillac SUV for a few years. GMC just decided to use it in the Canyon, probably to up the towing capacity from 6k to 7k lbs. |
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On 10/28/2017 9:28 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:17:40 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that. To me there's more to driving than going in a straight line. :) Very true. |
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"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 10/28/2017 8:03 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that. Engine efficiencies have come a long way. The Canyon I bought has a V6 rated at 308 hp. It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a lot. I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for kicks. Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot right along. My Edge V6 which probably weighs close to 5k got 29.6 mpg on a recent road trip. I drive easy on the throttle most of the time and almost all my driving is "around town". Getting 20 - 22 mpg. Someday I'll take a long highway trip and see what it gets. On my last monthly "Onstar" driving report (which records hard acceleration and braking occurrences) it said I driver better than 95 percent of the national population and better than 97 percent of MA drivers (who have Onstar). Mass. drivers drive 2% worse than the national average. That's what Onstar seems to indicate. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 09:50:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 10/28/2017 8:03 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that. Engine efficiencies have come a long way. The Canyon I bought has a V6 rated at 308 hp. It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a lot. I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for kicks. Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot right along. My Edge V6 which probably weighs close to 5k got 29.6 mpg on a recent road trip. I drive easy on the throttle most of the time and almost all my driving is "around town". Getting 20 - 22 mpg. Someday I'll take a long highway trip and see what it gets. On my last monthly "Onstar" driving report (which records hard acceleration and braking occurrences) it said I driver better than 95 percent of the national population and better than 97 percent of MA drivers (who have Onstar). If I had a nanny in my Prelude the report would just say "I',m going to tell your parents" ;-) |
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:22:59 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation.* I just wish they weren't so boring to drive.* :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds.* Nothing boring about that. Engine efficiencies have come a long way.* The Canyon I bought has a V6 rated at 308 hp.* It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a lot.* I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for kicks.* Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot right along. What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical 60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder auto up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and averaged 37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door sedan. :) === If you drive 60 to 65 on the interstates you should be arrested for obstructing traffic. Here in FL 80 to 85 is more like it. Even in nanny states like NY people are now doing 70 to 75. |
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 06:28:16 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote: On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:17:40 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that. To me there's more to driving than going in a straight line. :) === I understand but twisty roads are hard to find in Florida. :-) |
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Wayne.B Wrote in message:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 06:28:16 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:17:40 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that. To me there's more to driving than going in a straight line. :) === I understand but twisty roads are hard to find in Florida. :-) I can show you twisty roads. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 10/28/17 11:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:22:59 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation.Â* I just wish they weren't so boring to drive.Â* :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds.Â* Nothing boring about that. Engine efficiencies have come a long way.Â* The Canyon I bought has a V6 rated at 308 hp.Â* It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a lot.Â* I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for kicks.Â* Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot right along. What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical 60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder auto up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and averaged 37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door sedan. :) === If you drive 60 to 65 on the interstates you should be arrested for obstructing traffic. Here in FL 80 to 85 is more like it. Even in nanny states like NY people are now doing 70 to 75. I drive at the posted limit or usually a few mph below it, if it is 70. I would love having you behind me in your car in a place where you could not pass...Wayne RoadRage... :) |
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:31:58 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 10/28/17 11:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:22:59 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation.Â* I just wish they weren't so boring to drive.Â* :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds.Â* Nothing boring about that. Engine efficiencies have come a long way.Â* The Canyon I bought has a V6 rated at 308 hp.Â* It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a lot.Â* I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for kicks.Â* Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot right along. What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical 60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder auto up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and averaged 37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door sedan. :) === If you drive 60 to 65 on the interstates you should be arrested for obstructing traffic. Here in FL 80 to 85 is more like it. Even in nanny states like NY people are now doing 70 to 75. I drive at the posted limit or usually a few mph below it, if it is 70. I would love having you behind me in your car in a place where you could not pass...Wayne RoadRage... :) I am glad you stay in maryland |
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:41:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 10/28/17 12:35 PM, wrote: On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:31:58 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/28/17 11:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:22:59 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation.Â* I just wish they weren't so boring to drive.Â* :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds.Â* Nothing boring about that. Engine efficiencies have come a long way.Â* The Canyon I bought has a V6 rated at 308 hp.Â* It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a lot.Â* I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for kicks.Â* Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot right along. What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical 60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder auto up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and averaged 37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door sedan. :) === If you drive 60 to 65 on the interstates you should be arrested for obstructing traffic. Here in FL 80 to 85 is more like it. Even in nanny states like NY people are now doing 70 to 75. I drive at the posted limit or usually a few mph below it, if it is 70. I would love having you behind me in your car in a place where you could not pass...Wayne RoadRage... :) I am glad you stay in maryland I'll be in Florida in December and in March or April. :) Driving slow in the left lane on I-95 with your turn signal on and little old ladies giving you the finger I guess. Just be careful around Miami. They shoot at snowbirds who **** up traffic there. |
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justan wrote:
Wayne.B Wrote in message: On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 06:28:16 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:17:40 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that. To me there's more to driving than going in a straight line. :) === I understand but twisty roads are hard to find in Florida. :-) I can show you twisty roads. Reminds me of Indianapolis. In the 1980’s was there on business. Customer was only about 2 miles from the airport. Had a couple days to kill waiting for the problem to possibly reoccur. Had a Datsun Z car as a rental. There are curvy roads outside Indy. Brakes on the Z car fade bad. |
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wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:41:51 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/28/17 12:35 PM, wrote: On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:31:58 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/28/17 11:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:22:59 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation.Â* I just wish they weren't so boring to drive.Â* :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds.Â* Nothing boring about that. Engine efficiencies have come a long way.Â* The Canyon I bought has a V6 rated at 308 hp.Â* It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a lot.Â* I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for kicks.Â* Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot right along. What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical 60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder auto up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and averaged 37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door sedan. :) === If you drive 60 to 65 on the interstates you should be arrested for obstructing traffic. Here in FL 80 to 85 is more like it. Even in nanny states like NY people are now doing 70 to 75. I drive at the posted limit or usually a few mph below it, if it is 70. I would love having you behind me in your car in a place where you could not pass...Wayne RoadRage... :) I am glad you stay in maryland I'll be in Florida in December and in March or April. :) Driving slow in the left lane on I-95 with your turn signal on and little old ladies giving you the finger I guess. Just be careful around Miami. They shoot at snowbirds who **** up traffic there. Here, driving slow in the left lane, even the speed limit gets you an impeding traffic ticket. |
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On 10/28/2017 11:33 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 06:28:16 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:17:40 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that. To me there's more to driving than going in a straight line. :) === I understand but twisty roads are hard to find in Florida. :-) Other than renting time on a track, there's really nowhere to drive a high performance, road hugging car anymore. When I bought the BMW M5, the purchase included time on a track somewhere down south ... one of the Carolina's I think. I never took advantage of it. One of the reasons I liked the Porsche more was that even at 30 mph on narrow back roads, it still felt like a sports car. But again, there are really no places to drive it to it's potential without either risking yourself, others or ending up in the clink. |
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On 10/28/2017 12:09 PM, justan wrote:
Wayne.B Wrote in message: On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 06:28:16 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:17:40 PM UTC-4, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish they weren't so boring to drive. :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that. To me there's more to driving than going in a straight line. :) === I understand but twisty roads are hard to find in Florida. :-) I can show you twisty roads. You don't live in *Florida*. :-) |
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On 10/28/2017 12:31 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/28/17 11:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:22:59 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation.Â* I just wish they weren't so boring to drive.Â* :) === The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit over 6 seconds.Â* Nothing boring about that. Engine efficiencies have come a long way.Â* The Canyon I bought has a V6 rated at 308 hp.Â* It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a lot.Â* I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for kicks.Â* Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot right along. What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical 60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder auto up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and averaged 37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door sedan.Â* :) === If you drive 60 to 65 on the interstates you should be arrested for obstructing traffic.Â* Here in FL 80 to 85 is more like it.Â* Even in nanny states like NY people are now doing 70 to 75. I drive at the posted limit or usually a few mph below it, if it is 70. I would love having you behind me in your car in a place where you could not pass...Wayne RoadRage...Â* :) I have become the same. When on the interstates I drive 65-70 mph max. Really don't give it **** if it ****es anyone off. It reminds me of traveling down the ICW on a power boat versus a sailboat that is putt-putting along at 4 or 5 knots. You overtake the sailboat in the morning and then in the afternoon when you've pulled into a marina and are fueling up, the same sailboat soon goes putt-putting by you again. |
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:31:58 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: I drive at the posted limit or usually a few mph below it, if it is 70. I would love having you behind me in your car in a place where you could not pass. === I find that easy to believe given your sociopathic nature. People who drive like that cause accidents. |
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On 10/28/2017 3:05 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:31:58 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: I drive at the posted limit or usually a few mph below it, if it is 70. I would love having you behind me in your car in a place where you could not pass. === I find that easy to believe given your sociopathic nature. People who drive like that cause accidents. Road rage Wayne... In the old days, I'd race them. Now, I just let them pass me. If they are the type to give me the finger, I just smile at them. What's the big hurry? It's not like I am doing 45 mph. I am doing the speed limit or slightly above. |
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