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On 10/5/17 4:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 19:43:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Its Me wrote:

No fuss? Create a trust, lots of paperwork. Sounds like a lot of fuss and
unnecessary expense.

The trust and stamp adds $300 to the cost of the suppressor, and there's
a wait of about 4 months to get approved. And now you have to be
fingerprinted to be in the trust for new purchases.

It's a PITA.


And Harry thinks this is fuss less?

Harry thinks anything he has actually done is no problem. I can
remember when I bought my machine gun he thought that was too much
fuss for him.


I don't recall that I knew you back then.

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 16:42:35 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/5/17 4:05 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 18:09:32 -0000 (UTC), Bill

No fuss? Create a trust, lots of paperwork. Sounds like a lot of fuss and
unnecessary expense.

I bet by the time Harry was done with the lawyer, the county clerk and
the BATF it was over $500 ($200 stamp, $250-300 for an hour with a
lawyer and recording fees).
There is also an active effort from the usual suspects to eliminate
the "trust loophole".
I owned my machine gun as an individual and it still seemed pretty
cumbersome to me. That was a machine gun. Having to do the same thing
for a piece of threaded pipe really seems stupid (the "can" is the
regulated part)
It is even dumber when you can get a 15-20 dB reduction with a 2 liter
pop bottle.



No lawyer, no county clerk, no recording fees. Silencer dealer is a
notary. $200 for the tax stamp. Trust document provided at no cost by
the vendor...just filled in the blanks.

Nice loophole.
Wait until Nancy hears that.

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 16:44:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/5/17 4:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 19:43:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Its Me wrote:

No fuss? Create a trust, lots of paperwork. Sounds like a lot of fuss and
unnecessary expense.

The trust and stamp adds $300 to the cost of the suppressor, and there's
a wait of about 4 months to get approved. And now you have to be
fingerprinted to be in the trust for new purchases.

It's a PITA.


And Harry thinks this is fuss less?

Harry thinks anything he has actually done is no problem. I can
remember when I bought my machine gun he thought that was too much
fuss for him.


I don't recall that I knew you back then.

You don't remember talking about machine guns here and telling me that
was too much hassle?

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On 10/5/17 7:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 16:42:35 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/5/17 4:05 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 18:09:32 -0000 (UTC), Bill

No fuss? Create a trust, lots of paperwork. Sounds like a lot of fuss and
unnecessary expense.

I bet by the time Harry was done with the lawyer, the county clerk and
the BATF it was over $500 ($200 stamp, $250-300 for an hour with a
lawyer and recording fees).
There is also an active effort from the usual suspects to eliminate
the "trust loophole".
I owned my machine gun as an individual and it still seemed pretty
cumbersome to me. That was a machine gun. Having to do the same thing
for a piece of threaded pipe really seems stupid (the "can" is the
regulated part)
It is even dumber when you can get a 15-20 dB reduction with a 2 liter
pop bottle.



No lawyer, no county clerk, no recording fees. Silencer dealer is a
notary. $200 for the tax stamp. Trust document provided at no cost by
the vendor...just filled in the blanks.

Nice loophole.
Wait until Nancy hears that.


What loophole?

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On 10/5/17 7:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 16:44:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/5/17 4:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 19:43:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Its Me wrote:

No fuss? Create a trust, lots of paperwork. Sounds like a lot of fuss and
unnecessary expense.

The trust and stamp adds $300 to the cost of the suppressor, and there's
a wait of about 4 months to get approved. And now you have to be
fingerprinted to be in the trust for new purchases.

It's a PITA.


And Harry thinks this is fuss less?

Harry thinks anything he has actually done is no problem. I can
remember when I bought my machine gun he thought that was too much
fuss for him.


I don't recall that I knew you back then.

You don't remember talking about machine guns here and telling me that
was too much hassle?


I am pretty sure your purchase of the full auto rifle predated any
discussion we had about it. I was commenting on "remember when I bought
my machine gun..." Sure, I remember discussing it.

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 19:15:16 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/5/17 7:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 16:44:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/5/17 4:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 19:43:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Its Me wrote:

No fuss? Create a trust, lots of paperwork. Sounds like a lot of fuss and
unnecessary expense.

The trust and stamp adds $300 to the cost of the suppressor, and there's
a wait of about 4 months to get approved. And now you have to be
fingerprinted to be in the trust for new purchases.

It's a PITA.


And Harry thinks this is fuss less?

Harry thinks anything he has actually done is no problem. I can
remember when I bought my machine gun he thought that was too much
fuss for him.


I don't recall that I knew you back then.

You don't remember talking about machine guns here and telling me that
was too much hassle?


I am pretty sure your purchase of the full auto rifle predated any
discussion we had about it. I was commenting on "remember when I bought
my machine gun..." Sure, I remember discussing it.

I wasn't talking about the actual purchase, just the discussion about
it. That still does not change what you said

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Its Me wrote:

No fuss? Create a trust, lots of paperwork. Sounds like a lot of fuss and
unnecessary expense.

The trust and stamp adds $300 to the cost of the suppressor, and there's
a wait of about 4 months to get approved. And now you have to be
fingerprinted to be in the trust for new purchases.

It's a PITA.


Any gun permit in MA requires that you be fingerprinted, along with a
mug shot. They are on the permit.

For a while each time you bought a gun from a FFL dealer you had to put
your index finger on a digital fingerprint reader at the time of
purchase. The reader transmitted the digital reading to be compared
with your fingerprint on file in the state.

They did away with the digital reader. It was a pain and often you
couldn't get a reading the reader would accept. The state issued a
"PIN" number instead that you gave when purchasing a gun. Last time I
bought a new gun the dealer didn't even ask for the pin. I think they
keep them on file.

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 19:13:57 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/5/17 7:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 16:42:35 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/5/17 4:05 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 18:09:32 -0000 (UTC), Bill

No fuss? Create a trust, lots of paperwork. Sounds like a lot of fuss and
unnecessary expense.

I bet by the time Harry was done with the lawyer, the county clerk and
the BATF it was over $500 ($200 stamp, $250-300 for an hour with a
lawyer and recording fees).
There is also an active effort from the usual suspects to eliminate
the "trust loophole".
I owned my machine gun as an individual and it still seemed pretty
cumbersome to me. That was a machine gun. Having to do the same thing
for a piece of threaded pipe really seems stupid (the "can" is the
regulated part)
It is even dumber when you can get a 15-20 dB reduction with a 2 liter
pop bottle.



No lawyer, no county clerk, no recording fees. Silencer dealer is a
notary. $200 for the tax stamp. Trust document provided at no cost by
the vendor...just filled in the blanks.

Nice loophole.
Wait until Nancy hears that.


What loophole?

The one that bypasses the local CLEO signoff.
Actually the same rule that now requires that everyone in the trust
actually has to identify themselves (photos and fingerprints), also
seems to remove the CLEO signoff for individuals. I bet the whole
thing gets a rewrite the next time the democrats are in charge.
Hillary sounds like she would like to come after your can too.

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On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 4:07:11 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 11:41:58 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 2:09:33 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:28 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 09:27:45 -0400, John H
wrote:

A great article from the Chicago Tribune:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...004-story.html

"The dead weren’t even finished dying in Las Vegas before the left
swooped down to feed on gun
control politics."
I see that they are going after the "hearing protection act" too, in
spite of the fact that the people in Vegas did not recognize the gun
shots until they started seeing people getting shot.
It is the only time in history that I can remember people wanting to
keep ear damaging equipment as loud as they can. That is certainly not
true of cars, motor cycles, leaf blowers or lawn mowers.
They are now trying to ban loud generators in some places.
Since a suppressed center fire rifle is still 130 dB or higher these
people who think it is "silent" should shut the **** up about 90 dB
leaf blowers.


What a wonderful name..."the hearing protection act."

I don't see any problems with the current regs regarding suppressors.. I
got one without any fuss or muss...I bought the device, the dealer stuck
it in his safe, we filed the paperwork and paid for the stamp, and I got
approved. Yawn.


No fuss? Create a trust, lots of paperwork. Sounds like a lot of fuss and
unnecessary expense.

The trust and stamp adds $300 to the cost of the suppressor, and there's a wait of about 4 months to get approved. And now you have to be fingerprinted to be in the trust for new purchases.

It's a PITA.

Where are you finding a $100 lawyer?

Back when I did it, there were internet sites like www.guntrust.com that would do it for $99. I did a quick search, and it looks like it's going for $199 now.

The trust is a pretty straight-forward thing unless you're getting complicated with the details. Mine passed the ATF sniff test.

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On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 3:56:39 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 18:09:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

And most silencers lose effectiveness after about 5shots.

Not really.

Old designs did, but not modern ones.