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GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
Excerpt from
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/senators- strategy-to-combat-gun-violence-get-small.html "Leading the charge on Tuesday was South Dakota senator John Thune, who said in an interview with NBC News that, given the fact that there?s no way to stop a mass shooting from happening in an ?open society,? citizens? best hope to avoid being violently killed is to ? duck. ?I think people are going to have to take steps in their own lives to take precautions to protect themselves. And in situations like that, you know, try to stay safe. As somebody said ? get small.? It was the most depressing Republican response to the shooting until slightly later in the afternoon, when Oklahoma senator James Inhofe (famous for holding up a snowball to disprove climate change) pinned the responsibility for Sunday night?s massacre on sanctuary cities." Hahahaha. What the hell is he talking about? One round from a bazooka could have taken out the shooter. The obvious solution is to legalize bazooka open-carry. Then the crowd would have handled it. The problem is the law prevents bazooka open-carry. What are our politicians thinking? |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
11:05 AMBoating All Out
Excerpt from http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/senators- strategy-to-combat-gun-violence-get-small.html "Leading the charge on Tuesday was South Dakota senator John Thune, who said in an interview with NBC News that, given the fact that there?s no way to stop a mass shooting from happening in an ?open society,? citizens? best hope to avoid being violently killed is to ? duck. ?I think people are going to have to take steps in their own lives to take precautions to protect themselves. And in situations like that, you know, try to stay safe. As somebody said ? get small.? It was the most depressing Republican response to the shooting until slightly later in the afternoon, when Oklahoma senator James Inhofe (famous for holding up a snowball to disprove climate change) pinned the responsibility for Sunday night?s massacre on sanctuary cities." Hahahaha. What the hell is he talking about? One round from a bazooka could have taken out the shooter. The obvious solution is to legalize bazooka open-carry. Then the crowd would have handled it. The problem is the law prevents bazooka open-carry. What are our politicians thinking? .... What are they thinking? I believe they're not. Anyhow his statement makes about as much sense as blowing a shotgun in the air off your balcony... |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: 11:05 AMBoating All Out Excerpt from http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/senators- strategy-to-combat-gun-violence-get-small.html "Leading the charge on Tuesday was South Dakota senator John Thune, who said in an interview with NBC News that, given the fact that there?s no way to stop a mass shooting from happening in an ?open society,? citizens? best hope to avoid being violently killed is to ? duck. ?I think people are going to have to take steps in their own lives to take precautions to protect themselves. And in situations like that, you know, try to stay safe. As somebody said ? get small.? It was the most depressing Republican response to the shooting until slightly later in the afternoon, when Oklahoma senator James Inhofe (famous for holding up a snowball to disprove climate change) pinned the responsibility for Sunday night?s massacre on sanctuary cities." Hahahaha. What the hell is he talking about? One round from a bazooka could have taken out the shooter. The obvious solution is to legalize bazooka open-carry. Then the crowd would have handled it. The problem is the law prevents bazooka open-carry. What are our politicians thinking? ... What are they thinking? I believe they're not. Anyhow his statement makes about as much sense as blowing a shotgun in the air off your balcony... I agree Biden was just being stupid and the "bazooka" thing is pretty stupid too. They are not that accurate to start with, unless you are talking about a modern laser guided anti tank weapon. Then there is the collateral damage problem. If we really thought this would be a thing, the answer would have been SWAT snipers covering the buildings from other buildings. If Trump had been there, the snipers would have been there. (ever since Dallas) It would have stopped in about 20-30 seconds if there was anyone qualified to shoot back at that guy. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On 10/5/17 7:40 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 11:05 AMBoating All Out Excerpt from http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/senators- strategy-to-combat-gun-violence-get-small.html "Leading the charge on Tuesday was South Dakota senator John Thune, who said in an interview with NBC News that, given the fact that there?s no way to stop a mass shooting from happening in an ?open society,? citizens? best hope to avoid being violently killed is to ? duck. ?I think people are going to have to take steps in their own lives to take precautions to protect themselves. And in situations like that, you know, try to stay safe. As somebody said ? get small.? It was the most depressing Republican response to the shooting until slightly later in the afternoon, when Oklahoma senator James Inhofe (famous for holding up a snowball to disprove climate change) pinned the responsibility for Sunday night?s massacre on sanctuary cities." Hahahaha. What the hell is he talking about? One round from a bazooka could have taken out the shooter. The obvious solution is to legalize bazooka open-carry. Then the crowd would have handled it. The problem is the law prevents bazooka open-carry. What are our politicians thinking? ... What are they thinking? I believe they're not. Anyhow his statement makes about as much sense as blowing a shotgun in the air off your balcony... I agree Biden was just being stupid and the "bazooka" thing is pretty stupid too. They are not that accurate to start with, unless you are talking about a modern laser guided anti tank weapon. Then there is the collateral damage problem. Look up M72 LAW. Replace the word "bazooka" with whatever version of LAW is appropriate, and legalize them for open carry. Biden is a hell of a lot closer to my reality than that asshole Thune telling me to "get small." Collateral damage? Less than 58 dead concert goers I'd bet. One round just close would take the perp out. Price of Freedom. Get some Army/Marine LAWS trainers to train open carry applicants down at the local range. There would be no shortage of applicants. Open carry ticket for LAWS and toting one at a concert - how cool is that? What's not to like about it? Better than carrying a tricked out boom box. If we really thought this would be a thing, the answer would have been SWAT snipers covering the buildings from other buildings. If Trump had been there, the snipers would have been there. (ever since Dallas) It would have stopped in about 20-30 seconds if there was anyone qualified to shoot back at that guy. Couple hundred rounds could land on the Presidential convoy before then. Besides, too expensive for widespread use. Full auto fire raining down from high elevation has changed the game for the Secret Service. They might be considering LAWS teams for the Presidential detail. You "staying small?" Why would anyone want to shoot Trump and risk having Mike Sus-Pence take over? I'll be perfectly happy if the various investigations going on tie Trump up in a series of Gordian knots, unable to do any more damage to the country until we can elect a smarter Congress in 2018 and decent POTUS in 2020. It's only a rumor, but there are stories circulating that Trump's chief of staff, like his secretary of state, thinks Trump is a moron and is seriously considering quitting. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On 10/5/2017 7:50 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 7:40 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 11:05 AMBoating All Out Excerpt from http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/senators- strategy-to-combat-gun-violence-get-small.html "Leading the charge on Tuesday was South Dakota senator John Thune, who said in an interview with NBC News that, given the fact that there?s no way to stop a mass shooting from happening in an ?open society,? citizens? best hope to avoid being violently killed is to ? duck. ?I think people are going to have to take steps in their own lives to take precautions to protect themselves. And in situations like that, you know, try to stay safe. As somebody said ? get small.? It was the most depressing Republican response to the shooting until slightly later in the afternoon, when Oklahoma senator James Inhofe (famous for holding up a snowball to disprove climate change) pinned the responsibility for Sunday night?s massacre on sanctuary cities." Hahahaha.Â* What the hell is he talking about? One round from a bazooka could have taken out the shooter. The obvious solution is to legalize bazooka open-carry. Then the crowd would have handled it. The problem is the law prevents bazooka open-carry. What are our politicians thinking? ... What are they thinking? I believe they're not. Anyhow his statement makes about as much sense as blowing a shotgun in the air off your balcony... I agree Biden was just being stupid and the "bazooka" thing is pretty stupid too. They are not that accurate to start with, unless you are talking about a modern laser guided anti tank weapon. Then there is the collateral damage problem. Look up M72 LAW.Â* Replace the word "bazooka" with whatever version of LAW is appropriate, and legalize them for open carry.Â* Biden is a hell of a lot closer to my reality than that asshole Thune telling me to "get small." Collateral damage? Less than 58 dead concert goers I'd bet.Â* One round just close would take the perp out.Â* Price of Freedom. Get some Army/Marine LAWS trainers to train open carry applicants down at the local range. There would be no shortage of applicants.Â* Open carry ticket for LAWS and toting one at a concert - how cool is that? What's not to like about it? Better than carrying a tricked out boom box. If we really thought this would be a thing, the answer would have been SWAT snipers covering the buildings from other buildings. If Trump had been there, the snipers would have been there. (ever since Dallas) It would have stopped in about 20-30 seconds if there was anyone qualified to shoot back at that guy. Couple hundred rounds could land on the Presidential convoy before then. Besides, too expensive for widespread use.Â* Full auto fire raining down from high elevation has changed the game for the Secret Service. They might be considering LAWS teams for the Presidential detail. You "staying small?" Why would anyone want to shoot Trump and risk having Mike Sus-Pence take over? I'll be perfectly happy if the various investigations going on tie Trump up in a series of Gordian knots, unable to do any more damage to the country until we can elect a smarter Congress in 2018 and decent POTUS in 2020. It's only a rumor, but there are stories circulating that Trump's chief of staff, like his secretary of state, thinks Trump is a moron and is seriously considering quitting. Those rumors, like so many others, have been circulating for months. Gee. I wonder who the source is. Rumors of SOS Tillerson quitting were smashed by Tillerson himself yesterday in an unusual (for him) public announcement. I like his style. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On 10/5/17 8:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:50 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/5/17 7:40 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 11:05 AMBoating All Out Excerpt from http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/senators- strategy-to-combat-gun-violence-get-small.html "Leading the charge on Tuesday was South Dakota senator John Thune, who said in an interview with NBC News that, given the fact that there?s no way to stop a mass shooting from happening in an ?open society,? citizens? best hope to avoid being violently killed is to ? duck. ?I think people are going to have to take steps in their own lives to take precautions to protect themselves. And in situations like that, you know, try to stay safe. As somebody said ? get small.? It was the most depressing Republican response to the shooting until slightly later in the afternoon, when Oklahoma senator James Inhofe (famous for holding up a snowball to disprove climate change) pinned the responsibility for Sunday night?s massacre on sanctuary cities." Hahahaha.Â* What the hell is he talking about? One round from a bazooka could have taken out the shooter. The obvious solution is to legalize bazooka open-carry. Then the crowd would have handled it. The problem is the law prevents bazooka open-carry. What are our politicians thinking? ... What are they thinking? I believe they're not. Anyhow his statement makes about as much sense as blowing a shotgun in the air off your balcony... I agree Biden was just being stupid and the "bazooka" thing is pretty stupid too. They are not that accurate to start with, unless you are talking about a modern laser guided anti tank weapon. Then there is the collateral damage problem. Look up M72 LAW.Â* Replace the word "bazooka" with whatever version of LAW is appropriate, and legalize them for open carry.Â* Biden is a hell of a lot closer to my reality than that asshole Thune telling me to "get small." Collateral damage? Less than 58 dead concert goers I'd bet.Â* One round just close would take the perp out.Â* Price of Freedom. Get some Army/Marine LAWS trainers to train open carry applicants down at the local range. There would be no shortage of applicants.Â* Open carry ticket for LAWS and toting one at a concert - how cool is that? What's not to like about it? Better than carrying a tricked out boom box. If we really thought this would be a thing, the answer would have been SWAT snipers covering the buildings from other buildings. If Trump had been there, the snipers would have been there. (ever since Dallas) It would have stopped in about 20-30 seconds if there was anyone qualified to shoot back at that guy. Couple hundred rounds could land on the Presidential convoy before then. Besides, too expensive for widespread use.Â* Full auto fire raining down from high elevation has changed the game for the Secret Service. They might be considering LAWS teams for the Presidential detail. You "staying small?" Why would anyone want to shoot Trump and risk having Mike Sus-Pence take over? I'll be perfectly happy if the various investigations going on tie Trump up in a series of Gordian knots, unable to do any more damage to the country until we can elect a smarter Congress in 2018 and decent POTUS in 2020. It's only a rumor, but there are stories circulating that Trump's chief of staff, like his secretary of state, thinks Trump is a moron and is seriously considering quitting. Those rumors, like so many others, have been circulating for months. Gee. I wonder who the source is. Rumors of SOS Tillerson quitting were smashed by Tillerson himself yesterday in an unusual (for him) public announcement.Â* I like his style. Tillerson didn't "smash" the rumors. He simply made a statement that would help him hold on a bit longer. He was being polite. The pig he works for has no confidence in him. Oh, and Tillerson did not deny saying Trump is a moron. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On 10/5/2017 8:05 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 8:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/5/2017 7:50 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/5/17 7:40 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 11:05 AMBoating All Out Excerpt from http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/senators- strategy-to-combat-gun-violence-get-small.html "Leading the charge on Tuesday was South Dakota senator John Thune, who said in an interview with NBC News that, given the fact that there?s no way to stop a mass shooting from happening in an ?open society,? citizens? best hope to avoid being violently killed is to ? duck. ?I think people are going to have to take steps in their own lives to take precautions to protect themselves. And in situations like that, you know, try to stay safe. As somebody said ? get small.? It was the most depressing Republican response to the shooting until slightly later in the afternoon, when Oklahoma senator James Inhofe (famous for holding up a snowball to disprove climate change) pinned the responsibility for Sunday night?s massacre on sanctuary cities." Hahahaha.Â* What the hell is he talking about? One round from a bazooka could have taken out the shooter. The obvious solution is to legalize bazooka open-carry. Then the crowd would have handled it. The problem is the law prevents bazooka open-carry. What are our politicians thinking? ... What are they thinking? I believe they're not. Anyhow his statement makes about as much sense as blowing a shotgun in the air off your balcony... I agree Biden was just being stupid and the "bazooka" thing is pretty stupid too. They are not that accurate to start with, unless you are talking about a modern laser guided anti tank weapon. Then there is the collateral damage problem. Look up M72 LAW.Â* Replace the word "bazooka" with whatever version of LAW is appropriate, and legalize them for open carry.Â* Biden is a hell of a lot closer to my reality than that asshole Thune telling me to "get small." Collateral damage? Less than 58 dead concert goers I'd bet.Â* One round just close would take the perp out.Â* Price of Freedom. Get some Army/Marine LAWS trainers to train open carry applicants down at the local range. There would be no shortage of applicants.Â* Open carry ticket for LAWS and toting one at a concert - how cool is that? What's not to like about it? Better than carrying a tricked out boom box. If we really thought this would be a thing, the answer would have been SWAT snipers covering the buildings from other buildings. If Trump had been there, the snipers would have been there. (ever since Dallas) It would have stopped in about 20-30 seconds if there was anyone qualified to shoot back at that guy. Couple hundred rounds could land on the Presidential convoy before then. Besides, too expensive for widespread use.Â* Full auto fire raining down from high elevation has changed the game for the Secret Service. They might be considering LAWS teams for the Presidential detail. You "staying small?" Why would anyone want to shoot Trump and risk having Mike Sus-Pence take over? I'll be perfectly happy if the various investigations going on tie Trump up in a series of Gordian knots, unable to do any more damage to the country until we can elect a smarter Congress in 2018 and decent POTUS in 2020. It's only a rumor, but there are stories circulating that Trump's chief of staff, like his secretary of state, thinks Trump is a moron and is seriously considering quitting. Those rumors, like so many others, have been circulating for months. Gee. I wonder who the source is. Rumors of SOS Tillerson quitting were smashed by Tillerson himself yesterday in an unusual (for him) public announcement.Â* I like his style. Tillerson didn't "smash" the rumors. He simply made a statement that would help him hold on a bit longer. He was being polite. The pig he works for has no confidence in him. Oh, and Tillerson did not deny saying Trump is a moron. So what? He's a human being with a tough job to do and I am sure it comes with some frustrations. The problem is with insiders who leak every little detail of private conversations to the press. It's gone way too far. One thing I liked about Tillerson's statement was that Trump expects results from those who work for him. What a concept! I see nothing wrong with that as long as the expectations and objectives are legal and fair. Trump is a taskmaster in his goals of getting things done and is not afraid to scold the slackers. Working for him is not a job for wussies. It's a job for adults. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 6:40:35 AM UTC-5, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 11:05 AMBoating All Out Excerpt from http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/senators- strategy-to-combat-gun-violence-get-small.html "Leading the charge on Tuesday was South Dakota senator John Thune, who said in an interview with NBC News that, given the fact that there?s no way to stop a mass shooting from happening in an ?open society,? citizens? best hope to avoid being violently killed is to ? duck. ?I think people are going to have to take steps in their own lives to take precautions to protect themselves. And in situations like that, you know, try to stay safe. As somebody said ? get small.? It was the most depressing Republican response to the shooting until slightly later in the afternoon, when Oklahoma senator James Inhofe (famous for holding up a snowball to disprove climate change) pinned the responsibility for Sunday night?s massacre on sanctuary cities." Hahahaha. What the hell is he talking about? One round from a bazooka could have taken out the shooter. The obvious solution is to legalize bazooka open-carry. Then the crowd would have handled it. The problem is the law prevents bazooka open-carry. What are our politicians thinking? ... What are they thinking? I believe they're not. Anyhow his statement makes about as much sense as blowing a shotgun in the air off your balcony... I agree Biden was just being stupid and the "bazooka" thing is pretty stupid too. They are not that accurate to start with, unless you are talking about a modern laser guided anti tank weapon. Then there is the collateral damage problem. Look up M72 LAW. Replace the word "bazooka" with whatever version of LAW is appropriate, and legalize them for open carry. Biden is a hell of a lot closer to my reality than that asshole Thune telling me to "get small." They're both idiots. Only difference is one is now out and one is now in the political arena. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 06:40:33 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 11:05 AMBoating All Out Excerpt from http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/senators- strategy-to-combat-gun-violence-get-small.html "Leading the charge on Tuesday was South Dakota senator John Thune, who said in an interview with NBC News that, given the fact that there?s no way to stop a mass shooting from happening in an ?open society,? citizens? best hope to avoid being violently killed is to ? duck. ?I think people are going to have to take steps in their own lives to take precautions to protect themselves. And in situations like that, you know, try to stay safe. As somebody said ? get small.? It was the most depressing Republican response to the shooting until slightly later in the afternoon, when Oklahoma senator James Inhofe (famous for holding up a snowball to disprove climate change) pinned the responsibility for Sunday night?s massacre on sanctuary cities." Hahahaha. What the hell is he talking about? One round from a bazooka could have taken out the shooter. The obvious solution is to legalize bazooka open-carry. Then the crowd would have handled it. The problem is the law prevents bazooka open-carry. What are our politicians thinking? ... What are they thinking? I believe they're not. Anyhow his statement makes about as much sense as blowing a shotgun in the air off your balcony... I agree Biden was just being stupid and the "bazooka" thing is pretty stupid too. They are not that accurate to start with, unless you are talking about a modern laser guided anti tank weapon. Then there is the collateral damage problem. Look up M72 LAW. Replace the word "bazooka" with whatever version of LAW is appropriate, and legalize them for open carry. Biden is a hell of a lot closer to my reality than that asshole Thune telling me to "get small." Collateral damage? Less than 58 dead concert goers I'd bet. One round just close would take the perp out. Price of Freedom. Get some Army/Marine LAWS trainers to train open carry applicants down at the local range. There would be no shortage of applicants. Open carry ticket for LAWS and toting one at a concert - how cool is that? What's not to like about it? Better than carrying a tricked out boom box. If we really thought this would be a thing, the answer would have been SWAT snipers covering the buildings from other buildings. If Trump had been there, the snipers would have been there. (ever since Dallas) It would have stopped in about 20-30 seconds if there was anyone qualified to shoot back at that guy. Couple hundred rounds could land on the Presidential convoy before then. Besides, too expensive for widespread use. Full auto fire raining down from high elevation has changed the game for the Secret Service. They might be considering LAWS teams for the Presidential detail. You "staying small?" Effective range for a LAW is about 250 meters (with a *lot* of practice), and that's not shooting up 32 floors. I think I saw the range for the shooter in Vegas was about 600 yards. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 06:40:33 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 11:05 AMBoating All Out Excerpt from http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/senators- strategy-to-combat-gun-violence-get-small.html "Leading the charge on Tuesday was South Dakota senator John Thune, who said in an interview with NBC News that, given the fact that there?s no way to stop a mass shooting from happening in an ?open society,? citizens? best hope to avoid being violently killed is to ? duck. ?I think people are going to have to take steps in their own lives to take precautions to protect themselves. And in situations like that, you know, try to stay safe. As somebody said ? get small.? It was the most depressing Republican response to the shooting until slightly later in the afternoon, when Oklahoma senator James Inhofe (famous for holding up a snowball to disprove climate change) pinned the responsibility for Sunday night?s massacre on sanctuary cities." Hahahaha. What the hell is he talking about? One round from a bazooka could have taken out the shooter. The obvious solution is to legalize bazooka open-carry. Then the crowd would have handled it. The problem is the law prevents bazooka open-carry. What are our politicians thinking? ... What are they thinking? I believe they're not. Anyhow his statement makes about as much sense as blowing a shotgun in the air off your balcony... I agree Biden was just being stupid and the "bazooka" thing is pretty stupid too. They are not that accurate to start with, unless you are talking about a modern laser guided anti tank weapon. Then there is the collateral damage problem. Look up M72 LAW. Replace the word "bazooka" with whatever version of LAW is appropriate, and legalize them for open carry. Biden is a hell of a lot closer to my reality than that asshole Thune telling me to "get small." Collateral damage? Less than 58 dead concert goers I'd bet. One round just close would take the perp out. Price of Freedom. Get some Army/Marine LAWS trainers to train open carry applicants down at the local range. There would be no shortage of applicants. Open carry ticket for LAWS and toting one at a concert - how cool is that? What's not to like about it? Better than carrying a tricked out boom box. Brain fart. If we really thought this would be a thing, the answer would have been SWAT snipers covering the buildings from other buildings. If Trump had been there, the snipers would have been there. (ever since Dallas) It would have stopped in about 20-30 seconds if there was anyone qualified to shoot back at that guy. Couple hundred rounds could land on the Presidential convoy before then. Besides, too expensive for widespread use. Full auto fire raining down from high elevation has changed the game for the Secret Service. They might be considering LAWS teams for the Presidential detail. You "staying small?" It is more likely that he snipers would have fired on those broken windows before he ever fired a shot. BTW You seem fascinated about a 50 year old weapons system that is not even widely used by our allies these days. You are just brain farting |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 09:54:16 -0400, John H
wrote: On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 06:40:33 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 11:05 AMBoating All Out Excerpt from http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/senators- strategy-to-combat-gun-violence-get-small.html "Leading the charge on Tuesday was South Dakota senator John Thune, who said in an interview with NBC News that, given the fact that there?s no way to stop a mass shooting from happening in an ?open society,? citizens? best hope to avoid being violently killed is to ? duck. ?I think people are going to have to take steps in their own lives to take precautions to protect themselves. And in situations like that, you know, try to stay safe. As somebody said ? get small.? It was the most depressing Republican response to the shooting until slightly later in the afternoon, when Oklahoma senator James Inhofe (famous for holding up a snowball to disprove climate change) pinned the responsibility for Sunday night?s massacre on sanctuary cities." Hahahaha. What the hell is he talking about? One round from a bazooka could have taken out the shooter. The obvious solution is to legalize bazooka open-carry. Then the crowd would have handled it. The problem is the law prevents bazooka open-carry. What are our politicians thinking? ... What are they thinking? I believe they're not. Anyhow his statement makes about as much sense as blowing a shotgun in the air off your balcony... I agree Biden was just being stupid and the "bazooka" thing is pretty stupid too. They are not that accurate to start with, unless you are talking about a modern laser guided anti tank weapon. Then there is the collateral damage problem. Look up M72 LAW. Replace the word "bazooka" with whatever version of LAW is appropriate, and legalize them for open carry. Biden is a hell of a lot closer to my reality than that asshole Thune telling me to "get small." Collateral damage? Less than 58 dead concert goers I'd bet. One round just close would take the perp out. Price of Freedom. Get some Army/Marine LAWS trainers to train open carry applicants down at the local range. There would be no shortage of applicants. Open carry ticket for LAWS and toting one at a concert - how cool is that? What's not to like about it? Better than carrying a tricked out boom box. If we really thought this would be a thing, the answer would have been SWAT snipers covering the buildings from other buildings. If Trump had been there, the snipers would have been there. (ever since Dallas) It would have stopped in about 20-30 seconds if there was anyone qualified to shoot back at that guy. Couple hundred rounds could land on the Presidential convoy before then. Besides, too expensive for widespread use. Full auto fire raining down from high elevation has changed the game for the Secret Service. They might be considering LAWS teams for the Presidential detail. You "staying small?" Effective range for a LAW is about 250 meters (with a *lot* of practice), and that's not shooting up 32 floors. I think I saw the range for the shooter in Vegas was about 600 yards. BAO has just watched too many Dirty Harry movies. He also does not understand that these are shaped charges that basically poke a hole in something. It is not going to blast out several rooms. I have also heard the range was more like 300 yards. When you look at the ballistics of the 5.56 (.223) you see that out beyond around 300 yards the bullet starts dropping pretty fast. Unless he was shooting tracers and walking the rounds in it is unlikely they would have been that effective. I read one person saying 1000 yards and that would have required holding 50-60 feet high. This was a fat retired clerk, not Chris Kyle. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On 10/5/17 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 09:54:16 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 06:40:33 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 11:05 AMBoating All Out Excerpt from http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/senators- strategy-to-combat-gun-violence-get-small.html "Leading the charge on Tuesday was South Dakota senator John Thune, who said in an interview with NBC News that, given the fact that there?s no way to stop a mass shooting from happening in an ?open society,? citizens? best hope to avoid being violently killed is to ? duck. ?I think people are going to have to take steps in their own lives to take precautions to protect themselves. And in situations like that, you know, try to stay safe. As somebody said ? get small.? It was the most depressing Republican response to the shooting until slightly later in the afternoon, when Oklahoma senator James Inhofe (famous for holding up a snowball to disprove climate change) pinned the responsibility for Sunday night?s massacre on sanctuary cities." Hahahaha. What the hell is he talking about? One round from a bazooka could have taken out the shooter. The obvious solution is to legalize bazooka open-carry. Then the crowd would have handled it. The problem is the law prevents bazooka open-carry. What are our politicians thinking? ... What are they thinking? I believe they're not. Anyhow his statement makes about as much sense as blowing a shotgun in the air off your balcony... I agree Biden was just being stupid and the "bazooka" thing is pretty stupid too. They are not that accurate to start with, unless you are talking about a modern laser guided anti tank weapon. Then there is the collateral damage problem. Look up M72 LAW. Replace the word "bazooka" with whatever version of LAW is appropriate, and legalize them for open carry. Biden is a hell of a lot closer to my reality than that asshole Thune telling me to "get small." Collateral damage? Less than 58 dead concert goers I'd bet. One round just close would take the perp out. Price of Freedom. Get some Army/Marine LAWS trainers to train open carry applicants down at the local range. There would be no shortage of applicants. Open carry ticket for LAWS and toting one at a concert - how cool is that? What's not to like about it? Better than carrying a tricked out boom box. If we really thought this would be a thing, the answer would have been SWAT snipers covering the buildings from other buildings. If Trump had been there, the snipers would have been there. (ever since Dallas) It would have stopped in about 20-30 seconds if there was anyone qualified to shoot back at that guy. Couple hundred rounds could land on the Presidential convoy before then. Besides, too expensive for widespread use. Full auto fire raining down from high elevation has changed the game for the Secret Service. They might be considering LAWS teams for the Presidential detail. You "staying small?" Effective range for a LAW is about 250 meters (with a *lot* of practice), and that's not shooting up 32 floors. I think I saw the range for the shooter in Vegas was about 600 yards. BAO has just watched too many Dirty Harry movies. He also does not understand that these are shaped charges that basically poke a hole in something. It is not going to blast out several rooms. I have also heard the range was more like 300 yards. When you look at the ballistics of the 5.56 (.223) you see that out beyond around 300 yards the bullet starts dropping pretty fast. Unless he was shooting tracers and walking the rounds in it is unlikely they would have been that effective. I read one person saying 1000 yards and that would have required holding 50-60 feet high. This was a fat retired clerk, not Chris Kyle. "Better to think first in terms of mid-range, in the 400- to 600-yard ranges. For this type of shooting the .223 is ideal. In fact, there are shooters doing outstanding work at 1,000 yards with the .223 cartridge. But this is post-graduate stuff. For now let’s stay in the medium ranges." http://tinyurl.com/y95ov8x2 The shooter likely wasn't targeting individuals, but, rather, just shooting in tight bits of crowd. And I thought he had .308 rifles, too. Range wasn't an issue. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 11:36:52 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 09:54:16 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 06:40:33 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 11:05 AMBoating All Out Excerpt from http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/senators- strategy-to-combat-gun-violence-get-small.html "Leading the charge on Tuesday was South Dakota senator John Thune, who said in an interview with NBC News that, given the fact that there?s no way to stop a mass shooting from happening in an ?open society,? citizens? best hope to avoid being violently killed is to ? duck. ?I think people are going to have to take steps in their own lives to take precautions to protect themselves. And in situations like that, you know, try to stay safe. As somebody said ? get small.? It was the most depressing Republican response to the shooting until slightly later in the afternoon, when Oklahoma senator James Inhofe (famous for holding up a snowball to disprove climate change) pinned the responsibility for Sunday night?s massacre on sanctuary cities." Hahahaha. What the hell is he talking about? One round from a bazooka could have taken out the shooter. The obvious solution is to legalize bazooka open-carry. Then the crowd would have handled it. The problem is the law prevents bazooka open-carry. What are our politicians thinking? ... What are they thinking? I believe they're not. Anyhow his statement makes about as much sense as blowing a shotgun in the air off your balcony... I agree Biden was just being stupid and the "bazooka" thing is pretty stupid too. They are not that accurate to start with, unless you are talking about a modern laser guided anti tank weapon. Then there is the collateral damage problem. Look up M72 LAW. Replace the word "bazooka" with whatever version of LAW is appropriate, and legalize them for open carry. Biden is a hell of a lot closer to my reality than that asshole Thune telling me to "get small." Collateral damage? Less than 58 dead concert goers I'd bet. One round just close would take the perp out. Price of Freedom. Get some Army/Marine LAWS trainers to train open carry applicants down at the local range. There would be no shortage of applicants. Open carry ticket for LAWS and toting one at a concert - how cool is that? What's not to like about it? Better than carrying a tricked out boom box. If we really thought this would be a thing, the answer would have been SWAT snipers covering the buildings from other buildings. If Trump had been there, the snipers would have been there. (ever since Dallas) It would have stopped in about 20-30 seconds if there was anyone qualified to shoot back at that guy. Couple hundred rounds could land on the Presidential convoy before then. Besides, too expensive for widespread use. Full auto fire raining down from high elevation has changed the game for the Secret Service. They might be considering LAWS teams for the Presidential detail. You "staying small?" Effective range for a LAW is about 250 meters (with a *lot* of practice), and that's not shooting up 32 floors. I think I saw the range for the shooter in Vegas was about 600 yards. BAO has just watched too many Dirty Harry movies. He also does not understand that these are shaped charges that basically poke a hole in something. It is not going to blast out several rooms. I have also heard the range was more like 300 yards. When you look at the ballistics of the 5.56 (.223) you see that out beyond around 300 yards the bullet starts dropping pretty fast. Unless he was shooting tracers and walking the rounds in it is unlikely they would have been that effective. I read one person saying 1000 yards and that would have required holding 50-60 feet high. This was a fat retired clerk, not Chris Kyle. Looks like he was shooting at a range of about 1100 feet. So you heard pretty close. This article sums it up pretty well. I don't think he'd need to be much of a marksman to hit something in a target area that big, especially shooting from 320 up. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las...htmlstory.html I've no idea where BAO came up with the LAW idea. He's obviously never fired one, or know much about it. You're right. Shaped charge. Makes a little hole. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:02:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 11:36 AM, wrote: BAO has just watched too many Dirty Harry movies. He also does not understand that these are shaped charges that basically poke a hole in something. It is not going to blast out several rooms. I have also heard the range was more like 300 yards. When you look at the ballistics of the 5.56 (.223) you see that out beyond around 300 yards the bullet starts dropping pretty fast. Unless he was shooting tracers and walking the rounds in it is unlikely they would have been that effective. I read one person saying 1000 yards and that would have required holding 50-60 feet high. This was a fat retired clerk, not Chris Kyle. "Better to think first in terms of mid-range, in the 400- to 600-yard ranges. For this type of shooting the .223 is ideal. In fact, there are shooters doing outstanding work at 1,000 yards with the .223 cartridge. But this is post-graduate stuff. For now let’s stay in the medium ranges." http://tinyurl.com/y95ov8x2 The shooter likely wasn't targeting individuals, but, rather, just shooting in tight bits of crowd. And I thought he had .308 rifles, too. Range wasn't an issue. You are talking about bench rest shooters (sighted in at the range they are shooting at) and this guy was shooting off hand with a bump stock. At 1000 yards those rounds would have been landing in the parking lot if he did not use tracers or something to walk in the fire. At 300 yards he could shoot point blank and only be a foot or so off. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
11:36 On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:02:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/5/17 11:36 AM, wrote: BAO has just watched too many Dirty Harry movies. He also does not understand that these are shaped charges that basically poke a hole in something. It is not going to blast out several rooms. I have also heard the range was more like 300 yards. When you look at the ballistics of the 5.56 (.223) you see that out beyond around 300 yards the bullet starts dropping pretty fast. Unless he was shooting tracers and walking the rounds in it is unlikely they would have been that effective. I read one person saying 1000 yards and that would have required holding 50-60 feet high. This was a fat retired clerk, not Chris Kyle. "Better to think first in terms of mid-range, in the 400- to 600-yard ranges. For this type of shooting the .223 is ideal. In fact, there are shooters doing outstanding work at 1,000 yards with the .223 cartridge. But this is post-graduate stuff. For now let’s stay in the medium ranges." http://tinyurl.com/y95ov8x2 The shooter likely wasn't targeting individuals, but, rather, just shooting in tight bits of crowd. And I thought he had .308 rifles, too. Range wasn't an issue. You are talking about bench rest shooters (sighted in at the range they are shooting at) and this guy was shooting off hand with a bump stock. At 1000 yards those rounds would have been landing in the parking lot if he did not use tracers or something to walk in the fire. At 300 yards he could shoot point blank and only be a foot or so off. ..... You don't need much aiming and sight windage when you're spraying..223 down a huge crowded hole like that |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:36:11 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:02:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/5/17 11:36 AM, wrote: BAO has just watched too many Dirty Harry movies. He also does not understand that these are shaped charges that basically poke a hole in something. It is not going to blast out several rooms. I have also heard the range was more like 300 yards. When you look at the ballistics of the 5.56 (.223) you see that out beyond around 300 yards the bullet starts dropping pretty fast. Unless he was shooting tracers and walking the rounds in it is unlikely they would have been that effective. I read one person saying 1000 yards and that would have required holding 50-60 feet high. This was a fat retired clerk, not Chris Kyle. "Better to think first in terms of mid-range, in the 400- to 600-yard ranges. For this type of shooting the .223 is ideal. In fact, there are shooters doing outstanding work at 1,000 yards with the .223 cartridge. But this is post-graduate stuff. For now let’s stay in the medium ranges." http://tinyurl.com/y95ov8x2 The shooter likely wasn't targeting individuals, but, rather, just shooting in tight bits of crowd. And I thought he had .308 rifles, too. Range wasn't an issue. You are talking about bench rest shooters (sighted in at the range they are shooting at) and this guy was shooting off hand with a bump stock. At 1000 yards those rounds would have been landing in the parking lot if he did not use tracers or something to walk in the fire. At 300 yards he could shoot point blank and only be a foot or so off. 300 yards was the far target for qualifying with the rifle during basic training. Couldn't be a foot off either! |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 09:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: 11:36 On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:02:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/5/17 11:36 AM, wrote: BAO has just watched too many Dirty Harry movies. He also does not understand that these are shaped charges that basically poke a hole in something. It is not going to blast out several rooms. I have also heard the range was more like 300 yards. When you look at the ballistics of the 5.56 (.223) you see that out beyond around 300 yards the bullet starts dropping pretty fast. Unless he was shooting tracers and walking the rounds in it is unlikely they would have been that effective. I read one person saying 1000 yards and that would have required holding 50-60 feet high. This was a fat retired clerk, not Chris Kyle. "Better to think first in terms of mid-range, in the 400- to 600-yard ranges. For this type of shooting the .223 is ideal. In fact, there are shooters doing outstanding work at 1,000 yards with the .223 cartridge. But this is post-graduate stuff. For now let’s stay in the medium ranges." http://tinyurl.com/y95ov8x2 The shooter likely wasn't targeting individuals, but, rather, just shooting in tight bits of crowd. And I thought he had .308 rifles, too. Range wasn't an issue. You are talking about bench rest shooters (sighted in at the range they are shooting at) and this guy was shooting off hand with a bump stock. At 1000 yards those rounds would have been landing in the parking lot if he did not use tracers or something to walk in the fire. At 300 yards he could shoot point blank and only be a foot or so off. .... You don't need much aiming and sight windage when you're spraying..223 down a huge crowded hole like that I am not going to do the trig right now but at a 17 degree angle, 60 feet of elevation is a pretty wide swath of the ground 1000 yards away. It has now been established that this was ~300 meters so this whole thing is moot anyway. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 13:20:02 -0400, John H
wrote: On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:36:11 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:02:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/5/17 11:36 AM, wrote: BAO has just watched too many Dirty Harry movies. He also does not understand that these are shaped charges that basically poke a hole in something. It is not going to blast out several rooms. I have also heard the range was more like 300 yards. When you look at the ballistics of the 5.56 (.223) you see that out beyond around 300 yards the bullet starts dropping pretty fast. Unless he was shooting tracers and walking the rounds in it is unlikely they would have been that effective. I read one person saying 1000 yards and that would have required holding 50-60 feet high. This was a fat retired clerk, not Chris Kyle. "Better to think first in terms of mid-range, in the 400- to 600-yard ranges. For this type of shooting the .223 is ideal. In fact, there are shooters doing outstanding work at 1,000 yards with the .223 cartridge. But this is post-graduate stuff. For now let’s stay in the medium ranges." http://tinyurl.com/y95ov8x2 The shooter likely wasn't targeting individuals, but, rather, just shooting in tight bits of crowd. And I thought he had .308 rifles, too. Range wasn't an issue. You are talking about bench rest shooters (sighted in at the range they are shooting at) and this guy was shooting off hand with a bump stock. At 1000 yards those rounds would have been landing in the parking lot if he did not use tracers or something to walk in the fire. At 300 yards he could shoot point blank and only be a foot or so off. 300 yards was the far target for qualifying with the rifle during basic training. Couldn't be a foot off either! .... but you were not trying to control a rifle with a bump stock and you were sighted in at 200, cranking in the necessary elevation for 300. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 13:20:02 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:36:11 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:02:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/5/17 11:36 AM, wrote: BAO has just watched too many Dirty Harry movies. He also does not understand that these are shaped charges that basically poke a hole in something. It is not going to blast out several rooms. I have also heard the range was more like 300 yards. When you look at the ballistics of the 5.56 (.223) you see that out beyond around 300 yards the bullet starts dropping pretty fast. Unless he was shooting tracers and walking the rounds in it is unlikely they would have been that effective. I read one person saying 1000 yards and that would have required holding 50-60 feet high. This was a fat retired clerk, not Chris Kyle. "Better to think first in terms of mid-range, in the 400- to 600-yard ranges. For this type of shooting the .223 is ideal. In fact, there are shooters doing outstanding work at 1,000 yards with the .223 cartridge. But this is post-graduate stuff. For now let’s stay in the medium ranges." http://tinyurl.com/y95ov8x2 The shooter likely wasn't targeting individuals, but, rather, just shooting in tight bits of crowd. And I thought he had .308 rifles, too. Range wasn't an issue. You are talking about bench rest shooters (sighted in at the range they are shooting at) and this guy was shooting off hand with a bump stock. At 1000 yards those rounds would have been landing in the parking lot if he did not use tracers or something to walk in the fire. At 300 yards he could shoot point blank and only be a foot or so off. 300 yards was the far target for qualifying with the rifle during basic training. Couldn't be a foot off either! ... but you were not trying to control a rifle with a bump stock and you were sighted in at 200, cranking in the necessary elevation for 300. Effective range less than 300. Shooting downhill. That 200 meter sight might be correct for a 300’ elevation. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 15:32:36 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 13:20:02 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:36:11 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:02:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/5/17 11:36 AM, wrote: BAO has just watched too many Dirty Harry movies. He also does not understand that these are shaped charges that basically poke a hole in something. It is not going to blast out several rooms. I have also heard the range was more like 300 yards. When you look at the ballistics of the 5.56 (.223) you see that out beyond around 300 yards the bullet starts dropping pretty fast. Unless he was shooting tracers and walking the rounds in it is unlikely they would have been that effective. I read one person saying 1000 yards and that would have required holding 50-60 feet high. This was a fat retired clerk, not Chris Kyle. "Better to think first in terms of mid-range, in the 400- to 600-yard ranges. For this type of shooting the .223 is ideal. In fact, there are shooters doing outstanding work at 1,000 yards with the .223 cartridge. But this is post-graduate stuff. For now let’s stay in the medium ranges." http://tinyurl.com/y95ov8x2 The shooter likely wasn't targeting individuals, but, rather, just shooting in tight bits of crowd. And I thought he had .308 rifles, too. Range wasn't an issue. You are talking about bench rest shooters (sighted in at the range they are shooting at) and this guy was shooting off hand with a bump stock. At 1000 yards those rounds would have been landing in the parking lot if he did not use tracers or something to walk in the fire. At 300 yards he could shoot point blank and only be a foot or so off. 300 yards was the far target for qualifying with the rifle during basic training. Couldn't be a foot off either! ... but you were not trying to control a rifle with a bump stock and you were sighted in at 200, cranking in the necessary elevation for 300. Somewhere way back there, I lost your point. The guy was shooting at a distance of about 300+ yards, from a height of 100+ yards into a huge crowd. Are you saying he had to be a good shot? Or are you saying he could be a mediocre shot while spraying rounds everywhere. Personally, I think the latter is true. My M-14 was zeroed for 100 yards in basic training. I applied the proper elevation to hit the 300 yard target. Amen. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 16:50:53 -0400, John H
wrote: On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 15:32:36 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 13:20:02 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:36:11 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:02:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/5/17 11:36 AM, wrote: BAO has just watched too many Dirty Harry movies. He also does not understand that these are shaped charges that basically poke a hole in something. It is not going to blast out several rooms. I have also heard the range was more like 300 yards. When you look at the ballistics of the 5.56 (.223) you see that out beyond around 300 yards the bullet starts dropping pretty fast. Unless he was shooting tracers and walking the rounds in it is unlikely they would have been that effective. I read one person saying 1000 yards and that would have required holding 50-60 feet high. This was a fat retired clerk, not Chris Kyle. "Better to think first in terms of mid-range, in the 400- to 600-yard ranges. For this type of shooting the .223 is ideal. In fact, there are shooters doing outstanding work at 1,000 yards with the .223 cartridge. But this is post-graduate stuff. For now let’s stay in the medium ranges." http://tinyurl.com/y95ov8x2 The shooter likely wasn't targeting individuals, but, rather, just shooting in tight bits of crowd. And I thought he had .308 rifles, too. Range wasn't an issue. You are talking about bench rest shooters (sighted in at the range they are shooting at) and this guy was shooting off hand with a bump stock. At 1000 yards those rounds would have been landing in the parking lot if he did not use tracers or something to walk in the fire. At 300 yards he could shoot point blank and only be a foot or so off. 300 yards was the far target for qualifying with the rifle during basic training. Couldn't be a foot off either! ... but you were not trying to control a rifle with a bump stock and you were sighted in at 200, cranking in the necessary elevation for 300. Somewhere way back there, I lost your point. The guy was shooting at a distance of about 300+ yards, from a height of 100+ yards into a huge crowd. Are you saying he had to be a good shot? Or are you saying he could be a mediocre shot while spraying rounds everywhere. I was just debunking the 1000 yard story. I agree this was just spray and pray. That is really all you can do with a bump stock. Personally, I think the latter is true. My M-14 was zeroed for 100 yards in basic training. I applied the proper elevation to hit the 300 yard target. Amen. The army guys I knew said the zero for an M14 was 200, my bad. (I asked when I got my M1A). We had 2 crusty old retired sargents working for IBM in Ft Myers. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 09:54:16 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 06:40:33 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 11:05 AMBoating All Out Excerpt from http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/senators- strategy-to-combat-gun-violence-get-small.html "Leading the charge on Tuesday was South Dakota senator John Thune, who said in an interview with NBC News that, given the fact that there?s no way to stop a mass shooting from happening in an ?open society,? citizens? best hope to avoid being violently killed is to ? duck. ?I think people are going to have to take steps in their own lives to take precautions to protect themselves. And in situations like that, you know, try to stay safe. As somebody said ? get small.? It was the most depressing Republican response to the shooting until slightly later in the afternoon, when Oklahoma senator James Inhofe (famous for holding up a snowball to disprove climate change) pinned the responsibility for Sunday night?s massacre on sanctuary cities." Hahahaha. What the hell is he talking about? One round from a bazooka could have taken out the shooter. The obvious solution is to legalize bazooka open-carry. Then the crowd would have handled it. The problem is the law prevents bazooka open-carry. What are our politicians thinking? ... What are they thinking? I believe they're not. Anyhow his statement makes about as much sense as blowing a shotgun in the air off your balcony... I agree Biden was just being stupid and the "bazooka" thing is pretty stupid too. They are not that accurate to start with, unless you are talking about a modern laser guided anti tank weapon. Then there is the collateral damage problem. Look up M72 LAW. Replace the word "bazooka" with whatever version of LAW is appropriate, and legalize them for open carry. Biden is a hell of a lot closer to my reality than that asshole Thune telling me to "get small." Collateral damage? Less than 58 dead concert goers I'd bet. One round just close would take the perp out. Price of Freedom. Get some Army/Marine LAWS trainers to train open carry applicants down at the local range. There would be no shortage of applicants. Open carry ticket for LAWS and toting one at a concert - how cool is that? What's not to like about it? Better than carrying a tricked out boom box. If we really thought this would be a thing, the answer would have been SWAT snipers covering the buildings from other buildings. If Trump had been there, the snipers would have been there. (ever since Dallas) It would have stopped in about 20-30 seconds if there was anyone qualified to shoot back at that guy. Couple hundred rounds could land on the Presidential convoy before then. Besides, too expensive for widespread use. Full auto fire raining down from high elevation has changed the game for the Secret Service. They might be considering LAWS teams for the Presidential detail. You "staying small?" Effective range for a LAW is about 250 meters (with a *lot* of practice), and that's not shooting up 32 floors. I think I saw the range for the shooter in Vegas was about 600 yards. BAO has just watched too many Dirty Harry movies. He also does not understand that these are shaped charges that basically poke a hole in something. It is not going to blast out several rooms. I have also heard the range was more like 300 yards. When you look at the ballistics of the 5.56 (.223) you see that out beyond around 300 yards the bullet starts dropping pretty fast. Unless he was shooting tracers and walking the rounds in it is unlikely they would have been that effective. I read one person saying 1000 yards and that would have required holding 50-60 feet high. This was a fat retired clerk, not Chris Kyle. I would guess higher than that for a .223. A .338 Lapua is about 16 feet and a 6.5 Creedmoor is about 35 feet. I'm not sure how his elevation factored into that. No doubt he was lobbing them into the crowd. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 19:09:26 -0400, wrote:
The army guys I knew said the zero for an M14 was 200, my bad. (I asked when I got my M1A). We had 2 crusty old retired sargents working for IBM in Ft Myers. === I kind of recall zeroing our M-14s at 25 yards which was also supposed to be zero at 150 or 200, don't remember which. Mine was incredibly accurate out to 300. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 3:50:55 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
Somewhere way back there, I lost your point. The guy was shooting at a distance of about 300+ yards, from a height of 100+ yards into a huge crowd. Are you saying he had to be a good shot? Or are you saying he could be a mediocre shot while spraying rounds everywhere. Personally, I think the latter is true. Thats the point i was making. He didnt have to aim much. Really all he did was lob 'em in... |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 19:09:26 -0400, wrote: The army guys I knew said the zero for an M14 was 200, my bad. (I asked when I got my M1A). We had 2 crusty old retired sargents working for IBM in Ft Myers. === I kind of recall zeroing our M-14s at 25 yards which was also supposed to be zero at 150 or 200, don't remember which. Mine was incredibly accurate out to 300. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Basic we shot carbines at I think 50yards. Maybe a 100. Yearly qualification was either 38 cal pistols at the local police range or m16 at 100yards at Hamilton AFB. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 22:12:50 -0400,
wrote: On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 19:09:26 -0400, wrote: The army guys I knew said the zero for an M14 was 200, my bad. (I asked when I got my M1A). We had 2 crusty old retired sargents working for IBM in Ft Myers. === I kind of recall zeroing our M-14s at 25 yards which was also supposed to be zero at 150 or 200, don't remember which. Mine was incredibly accurate out to 300. I did that out at Cecil Webb and using some surplus ammo with spanish writing on it, 25 yards got me really close at 200 with a scope on that funky GI one screw mount. It is a good way to get on the paper at 200 anyway. My problem was that my Soviet spotting scope was not good enough to see my hits at 200 so I just shot a bunch and went down to see how I did later. BTW I sucked. I hope we don't have a war ;-) I was shooting at paper plates tho not a full sized military target. I never got serious about it again and won't until I get a decent scope mount. When I went back to 25 yards, the zero had moved. I set up the iron sights at 25 and called it a day. I really prefer training with my .45 and my .380. That is something I might need in a serious social situation some day. For fun, I want my Daly shooting at clay. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 03:28:59 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 19:09:26 -0400, wrote: The army guys I knew said the zero for an M14 was 200, my bad. (I asked when I got my M1A). We had 2 crusty old retired sargents working for IBM in Ft Myers. === I kind of recall zeroing our M-14s at 25 yards which was also supposed to be zero at 150 or 200, don't remember which. Mine was incredibly accurate out to 300. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Basic we shot carbines at I think 50yards. Maybe a 100. Yearly qualification was either 38 cal pistols at the local police range or m16 at 100yards at Hamilton AFB. The only real qualification we did was with an M1, at 200 as I recall but it was just a one week thing. I did shoot .45s with my chief on the first ship I was on but it was very unofficial. I did learn a lot tho. He was on the marksmanship team for a while. |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 22:12:50 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 19:09:26 -0400, wrote: The army guys I knew said the zero for an M14 was 200, my bad. (I asked when I got my M1A). We had 2 crusty old retired sargents working for IBM in Ft Myers. === I kind of recall zeroing our M-14s at 25 yards which was also supposed to be zero at 150 or 200, don't remember which. Mine was incredibly accurate out to 300. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com The 25 yard distance is what we used also. Had to have a quarter-sized grouping. I'd thought the battle site zero was for 100 yards center of mass. Anything further you aimed higher, anything closer you aimed lower. I missed two targets during qualifying, both at 50 yards because I forgot to aim at the bottom of the target instead of center mass. Still got my Expert badge though! |
GOP Senator Tells Americans to "Get Small"
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On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 03:28:59 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 19:09:26 -0400, wrote: The army guys I knew said the zero for an M14 was 200, my bad. (I asked when I got my M1A). We had 2 crusty old retired sargents working for IBM in Ft Myers. === I kind of recall zeroing our M-14s at 25 yards which was also supposed to be zero at 150 or 200, don't remember which. Mine was incredibly accurate out to 300. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Basic we shot carbines at I think 50yards. Maybe a 100. Yearly qualification was either 38 cal pistols at the local police range or m16 at 100yards at Hamilton AFB. The only real qualification we did was with an M1, at 200 as I recall but it was just a one week thing. I did shoot .45s with my chief on the first ship I was on but it was very unofficial. I did learn a lot tho. He was on the marksmanship team for a while. Our training was 2 days. One, indoor as was raining, dry fire and instruction. 2 nd day range. That was in 6 weeks basic. |
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