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On 8/20/17 11:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:01:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 9:58 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:33:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 3:56 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:53:16 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Yup. states were a major part of the name. Sort of like the European Union. Separate governments combing for a specific purpose. The countries making up the European Union are free to vote themselves out of it, ala Brexit. The states in the United States are not free to vote themselves out of the American union, much as I joke about California, et al, moving on. Just exactly where is that defined in the Constitution? They talk about how you get in but they are silent about how or even if you can leave. A number of states left...you recall what that got them? An aggressive and unconstitutional invasion from the North? You still duck the question. Where, in the constitution, does it say the states can't secede? Where does it say the president has the authority to declare war on them for it? Just as a sanity check I read the constitution carefully again today and it is silent on the issue. It is interesting that Lincoln recognized the secession when it was convenient to do so while denying it was actually valid. (Specifically Article IV Section 3(1) and West Virginia) You're the best "snickers man" on here. You still have not told me where Lincoln got the constitutional authority to invade the south. Read Article II. The Constitution grants the POTUS the power to unilaterally order military action in defense of the United States when he determines that a foreign political entity poses a clear and present danger to the safety and security of the United States. "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States..." South Carolina initiated the shooting war against the United States by its firing on Ft. Sumter. Lincoln, as commander in chief, was Constitutionally obligated to respond and defend the fort. |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 07:19:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: It wasn't until *after* the Civil War that the Supreme Court ruled (in 1889) that states did not have the Constitutional right to unilaterally secede. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White 1868 but still somewhat on point. It is interesting that the decision is based on a grammatical error in the preamble. There is no such thing as "more perfect" ;-) That also assumes the union is less perfect without the south. Harry thinks the US would BE perfect if it wasn't for the south and says it every chance he gets. |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:21:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 8/20/17 11:33 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:01:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 9:58 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:33:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 3:56 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:53:16 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Yup. states were a major part of the name. Sort of like the European Union. Separate governments combing for a specific purpose. The countries making up the European Union are free to vote themselves out of it, ala Brexit. The states in the United States are not free to vote themselves out of the American union, much as I joke about California, et al, moving on. Just exactly where is that defined in the Constitution? They talk about how you get in but they are silent about how or even if you can leave. A number of states left...you recall what that got them? An aggressive and unconstitutional invasion from the North? You still duck the question. Where, in the constitution, does it say the states can't secede? Where does it say the president has the authority to declare war on them for it? Just as a sanity check I read the constitution carefully again today and it is silent on the issue. It is interesting that Lincoln recognized the secession when it was convenient to do so while denying it was actually valid. (Specifically Article IV Section 3(1) and West Virginia) You're the best "snickers man" on here. You still have not told me where Lincoln got the constitutional authority to invade the south. Read Article II. The Constitution grants the POTUS the power to unilaterally order military action in defense of the United States when he determines that a foreign political entity poses a clear and present danger to the safety and security of the United States. "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States..." South Carolina initiated the shooting war against the United States by its firing on Ft. Sumter. Lincoln, as commander in chief, was Constitutionally obligated to respond and defend the fort. You could also argue that the occupation of Ft Sumpter after South Carolina seceded was illegal. The victors always get to make the laws fit their victory. That is why Goering was in the dock and "Bomber" Harris was not ... for the exact same crime. (waging unlimited war on civilians) |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:21:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 11:33 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:01:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 9:58 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:33:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 3:56 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:53:16 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Yup. states were a major part of the name. Sort of like the European Union. Separate governments combing for a specific purpose. The countries making up the European Union are free to vote themselves out of it, ala Brexit. The states in the United States are not free to vote themselves out of the American union, much as I joke about California, et al, moving on. Just exactly where is that defined in the Constitution? They talk about how you get in but they are silent about how or even if you can leave. A number of states left...you recall what that got them? An aggressive and unconstitutional invasion from the North? You still duck the question. Where, in the constitution, does it say the states can't secede? Where does it say the president has the authority to declare war on them for it? Just as a sanity check I read the constitution carefully again today and it is silent on the issue. It is interesting that Lincoln recognized the secession when it was convenient to do so while denying it was actually valid. (Specifically Article IV Section 3(1) and West Virginia) You're the best "snickers man" on here. You still have not told me where Lincoln got the constitutional authority to invade the south. Read Article II. The Constitution grants the POTUS the power to unilaterally order military action in defense of the United States when he determines that a foreign political entity poses a clear and present danger to the safety and security of the United States. "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States..." South Carolina initiated the shooting war against the United States by its firing on Ft. Sumter. Lincoln, as commander in chief, was Constitutionally obligated to respond and defend the fort. You could also argue that the occupation of Ft Sumpter after South Carolina seceded was illegal. The victors always get to make the laws fit their victory. That is why Goering was in the dock and "Bomber" Harris was not ... for the exact same crime. (waging unlimited war on civilians) More mindless what-about-itis... -- Posted with my iPhone 7+. |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 12:31:17 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: wrote: On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:21:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 11:33 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:01:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 9:58 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:33:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 3:56 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:53:16 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Yup. states were a major part of the name. Sort of like the European Union. Separate governments combing for a specific purpose. The countries making up the European Union are free to vote themselves out of it, ala Brexit. The states in the United States are not free to vote themselves out of the American union, much as I joke about California, et al, moving on. Just exactly where is that defined in the Constitution? They talk about how you get in but they are silent about how or even if you can leave. A number of states left...you recall what that got them? An aggressive and unconstitutional invasion from the North? You still duck the question. Where, in the constitution, does it say the states can't secede? Where does it say the president has the authority to declare war on them for it? Just as a sanity check I read the constitution carefully again today and it is silent on the issue. It is interesting that Lincoln recognized the secession when it was convenient to do so while denying it was actually valid. (Specifically Article IV Section 3(1) and West Virginia) You're the best "snickers man" on here. You still have not told me where Lincoln got the constitutional authority to invade the south. Read Article II. The Constitution grants the POTUS the power to unilaterally order military action in defense of the United States when he determines that a foreign political entity poses a clear and present danger to the safety and security of the United States. "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States..." South Carolina initiated the shooting war against the United States by its firing on Ft. Sumter. Lincoln, as commander in chief, was Constitutionally obligated to respond and defend the fort. You could also argue that the occupation of Ft Sumpter after South Carolina seceded was illegal. The victors always get to make the laws fit their victory. That is why Goering was in the dock and "Bomber" Harris was not ... for the exact same crime. (waging unlimited war on civilians) More mindless what-about-itis... I pose real questions, All you have is mindless insults. Your intellectual curiosity is nil and you should be asking for your money back for that college education. (assuming you actually went) |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/20/17 11:33 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:01:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 9:58 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:33:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 3:56 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:53:16 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Yup. states were a major part of the name. Sort of like the European Union. Separate governments combing for a specific purpose. The countries making up the European Union are free to vote themselves out of it, ala Brexit. The states in the United States are not free to vote themselves out of the American union, much as I joke about California, et al, moving on. Just exactly where is that defined in the Constitution? They talk about how you get in but they are silent about how or even if you can leave. A number of states left...you recall what that got them? An aggressive and unconstitutional invasion from the North? You still duck the question. Where, in the constitution, does it say the states can't secede? Where does it say the president has the authority to declare war on them for it? Just as a sanity check I read the constitution carefully again today and it is silent on the issue. It is interesting that Lincoln recognized the secession when it was convenient to do so while denying it was actually valid. (Specifically Article IV Section 3(1) and West Virginia) You're the best "snickers man" on here. You still have not told me where Lincoln got the constitutional authority to invade the south. Read Article II. The Constitution grants the POTUS the power to unilaterally order military action in defense of the United States when he determines that a foreign political entity poses a clear and present danger to the safety and security of the United States. "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States..." South Carolina initiated the shooting war against the United States by its firing on Ft. Sumter. Lincoln, as commander in chief, was Constitutionally obligated to respond and defend the fort. That argument defines that the southern states legally seceded from the USA. Otherwise, would not be a foreign political,power. |
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On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 9:21:05 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/20/17 11:33 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:01:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 9:58 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:33:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 3:56 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:53:16 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Yup. states were a major part of the name. Sort of like the European Union. Separate governments combing for a specific purpose. The countries making up the European Union are free to vote themselves out of it, ala Brexit. The states in the United States are not free to vote themselves out of the American union, much as I joke about California, et al, moving on. Just exactly where is that defined in the Constitution? They talk about how you get in but they are silent about how or even if you can leave. A number of states left...you recall what that got them? An aggressive and unconstitutional invasion from the North? You still duck the question. Where, in the constitution, does it say the states can't secede? Where does it say the president has the authority to declare war on them for it? Just as a sanity check I read the constitution carefully again today and it is silent on the issue. It is interesting that Lincoln recognized the secession when it was convenient to do so while denying it was actually valid. (Specifically Article IV Section 3(1) and West Virginia) You're the best "snickers man" on here. You still have not told me where Lincoln got the constitutional authority to invade the south. Read Article II. The Constitution grants the POTUS the power to unilaterally order military action in defense of the United States when he determines that a foreign political entity poses a clear and present danger to the safety and security of the United States. "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States..." South Carolina initiated the shooting war against the United States by its firing on Ft. Sumter. Lincoln, as commander in chief, was Constitutionally obligated to respond and defend the fort. After succession, the Union was illegally occupying foreign land by staying in that fort. The CSA was expelling foreign forces. |
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On 8/21/17 4:19 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 9:21:05 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 11:33 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:01:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 9:58 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:33:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 3:56 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:53:16 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Yup. states were a major part of the name. Sort of like the European Union. Separate governments combing for a specific purpose. The countries making up the European Union are free to vote themselves out of it, ala Brexit. The states in the United States are not free to vote themselves out of the American union, much as I joke about California, et al, moving on. Just exactly where is that defined in the Constitution? They talk about how you get in but they are silent about how or even if you can leave. A number of states left...you recall what that got them? An aggressive and unconstitutional invasion from the North? You still duck the question. Where, in the constitution, does it say the states can't secede? Where does it say the president has the authority to declare war on them for it? Just as a sanity check I read the constitution carefully again today and it is silent on the issue. It is interesting that Lincoln recognized the secession when it was convenient to do so while denying it was actually valid. (Specifically Article IV Section 3(1) and West Virginia) You're the best "snickers man" on here. You still have not told me where Lincoln got the constitutional authority to invade the south. Read Article II. The Constitution grants the POTUS the power to unilaterally order military action in defense of the United States when he determines that a foreign political entity poses a clear and present danger to the safety and security of the United States. "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States..." South Carolina initiated the shooting war against the United States by its firing on Ft. Sumter. Lincoln, as commander in chief, was Constitutionally obligated to respond and defend the fort. After succession, the Union was illegally occupying foreign land by staying in that fort. The CSA was expelling foreign forces. The Confederacy was not recognized as a legitimate government by anyone. The south failed to achieve diplomatic recognition by even a single foreign government. Lincoln's compassion more or less set the tone for the south to rebuild. Some loyalists in the north would have preferred to see it burned to the ground, its senior leaders and field grade officers executed, and the farms and factories of the supporters of the confederacy turned over to the former slaves who worked them. |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/21/17 4:19 PM, Its Me wrote: On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 9:21:05 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 11:33 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:01:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 9:58 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:33:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/20/17 3:56 PM, wrote: On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:53:16 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Yup. states were a major part of the name. Sort of like the European Union. Separate governments combing for a specific purpose. The countries making up the European Union are free to vote themselves out of it, ala Brexit. The states in the United States are not free to vote themselves out of the American union, much as I joke about California, et al, moving on. Just exactly where is that defined in the Constitution? They talk about how you get in but they are silent about how or even if you can leave. A number of states left...you recall what that got them? An aggressive and unconstitutional invasion from the North? You still duck the question. Where, in the constitution, does it say the states can't secede? Where does it say the president has the authority to declare war on them for it? Just as a sanity check I read the constitution carefully again today and it is silent on the issue. It is interesting that Lincoln recognized the secession when it was convenient to do so while denying it was actually valid. (Specifically Article IV Section 3(1) and West Virginia) You're the best "snickers man" on here. You still have not told me where Lincoln got the constitutional authority to invade the south. Read Article II. The Constitution grants the POTUS the power to unilaterally order military action in defense of the United States when he determines that a foreign political entity poses a clear and present danger to the safety and security of the United States. "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States..." South Carolina initiated the shooting war against the United States by its firing on Ft. Sumter. Lincoln, as commander in chief, was Constitutionally obligated to respond and defend the fort. After succession, the Union was illegally occupying foreign land by staying in that fort. The CSA was expelling foreign forces. The Confederacy was not recognized as a legitimate government by anyone. The south failed to achieve diplomatic recognition by even a single foreign government. Lincoln's compassion more or less set the tone for the south to rebuild. Some loyalists in the north would have preferred to see it burned to the ground, its senior leaders and field grade officers executed, and the farms and factories of the supporters of the confederacy turned over to the former slaves who worked them. Was recognized by Lincoln by attacking as a foreign power. And those loyalists killed Lincoln and went about burning it to the ground and stealing everything left. |
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