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On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 6:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/17/2017 6:32 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/17/17 2:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/17/2017 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 07:00:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/17/2017 1:03 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 21:49:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/16/2017 9:02 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:34:43 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

What part is wrong? BTW that is not a libertarian issue at
all but I
know it is your go to brain fart


Your belief that advertising does not lower prices for
products and
services.

How does that work?
I add a large line to my expense column and somehow I can lower
prices
and still make a profit.
It is clear you never actually looked at a P&L statement or
owned a
business. Ads may generate more business but it is still a cost of
doing business that gets passed on to the customer.


That's not always the case Greg. Advertising can simply be to
increase
market share ... or simply compete for business in the first place.

The idea that all business costs are "passed on" to the customer is
simply not true.


Who pays them? If you are not covering your expenses with your
revenue
you are on the fast track to bankruptcy court. (or you are the
government)


If you are profitable with your existing business, some of those
profits
can be re-invested in advertising to increase your market share. In
some businesses margins may have to be cut simply to get a
contract to
begin with. Yes, if you can't cover your overall cost of doing
business long term you will eventually go bankrupt but the point I am
making is that costs are not necessary "passed on" to the customer as
you keep repeating. It depends on the type of business. If I had
tried
to increase my margins in order to pay for start up costs,
advertising
and other non-direct expenses, the number of contracts I received
would
have suffered. It's called competition and in my business it was
primarily evaluated on technical responsiveness to the RFQ, price and
delivery schedule. In time reputation also became a major factor.

In the early days I took some contracts at break-even just to get the
company recognized, "in the door" and eligible for future
contracts. I
didn't always break even either. One hick-up in the project and I'd
lose money. You have to have a long-term plan and goal although I
don't
believe in formal one or five year "business plans". They are for
investors, not the business owner or person who is actually
running the
company.

I never borrowed money or even had a bank line. I learned that lesson
from watching another person try to build a company using "other
people's money". He ended up in bankruptcy and investors and vendors
got hurt. All growth in my company was organic with the
exception of
one person who wanted "in" badly and bought himself a 10 percent
equity
position. He was a tremendous asset, holding two Phd's in physics
and
helped get the company a lot of exposure. Otherwise, I relied on
technical competence, delivering what was promised and earning repeat
business. Growth, margins and the rest took care of themselves.

I've often thought about businesses and what I believe to be some
of the
mistakes people make. My experience isn't typical, for sure, and
it was
not the management of a fully mature, on-going, typical business
where
the scorecard are the P&L statements or quarterly returns. If I made
some money on a project I invested it into the company's growth. I
never paid myself a big fat salary. My goal was always to create
something of eventual value to someone else and it paid off.



Eventually all of that cost was passed on to the customer. You just
had enough "bank" to eat it during your start up.


I don't know how you figure that but so be it. In the business I
was in you didn't have the luxury of passing on any and all costs
other than maybe increasing prices somewhat annually or so. Some
projects we made a nice profit. Others not so much.



Sorry, fellas, but this is another of those hilarious discussions.
Keep on keeping on.


You're right. I was unable to obtain the success you have in
business. Maybe it's because I never kissed any politician's ass.



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if you were a
government contractor, you surely did, even if you were unaware of it or
refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.

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On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if you were
a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were unaware of
it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your obtaining
government contracts?

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On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

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On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

He doesn't understand how RFPs work... or even businesses for that matter.

We've had government contracts. In every case, the only contact we had with *anyone* until after it was awarded was to send multiple copies of our proposal to a specific address. You either requested, in writing, the RFP or downloaded it from a site.

I think he's confusing government contract with *union* contracts. :)

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On 8/18/2017 9:18 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

He doesn't understand how RFPs work... or even businesses for that matter.

We've had government contracts. In every case, the only contact we had with *anyone* until after it was awarded was to send multiple copies of our proposal to a specific address. You either requested, in writing, the RFP or downloaded it from a site.

I think he's confusing government contract with *union* contracts. :)



Oh, he'll be here shortly to inform us of his vast experience in
obtaining government contracts.

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On 8/18/17 9:18 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

He doesn't understand how RFPs work... or even businesses for that matter.

We've had government contracts. In every case, the only contact we had with *anyone* until after it was awarded was to send multiple copies of our proposal to a specific address. You either requested, in writing, the RFP or downloaded it from a site.

I think he's confusing government contract with *union* contracts. :)


Perhaps there is less of it in the boondocks, but there was plenty of it
taking place when the ad agency I worked for handled military recruiting
promotion...Plenty of ass-kissing, lunches, receptions, and to a much
lesser degree when I was writing and producing videos for several
federal agencies.

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On 8/18/17 9:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 9:18 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your
obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

He doesn't understand how RFPs work... or even businesses for that
matter.

We've had government contracts. In every case, the only contact we
had with *anyone* until after it was awarded was to send multiple
copies of our proposal to a specific address. You either requested,
in writing, the RFP or downloaded it from a site.

I think he's confusing government contract with *union* contracts. :)



Oh, he'll be here shortly to inform us of his vast experience in
obtaining government contracts.



I had a few contracts in the 1980s...small ones and one really large one.

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On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 9:53:10 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 9:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 9:18 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your
obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

He doesn't understand how RFPs work... or even businesses for that
matter.

We've had government contracts. In every case, the only contact we
had with *anyone* until after it was awarded was to send multiple
copies of our proposal to a specific address. You either requested,
in writing, the RFP or downloaded it from a site.

I think he's confusing government contract with *union* contracts. :)



Oh, he'll be here shortly to inform us of his vast experience in
obtaining government contracts.



I had a few contracts in the 1980s...small ones and one really large one.

You did a lot of ass-kissing?

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 06:52:31 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his disdain for
advertising.

.... and I will continue to have disdain for it, particularly when it
is interrupting my entertainment trying to sell me something I do not
want and do not need. (with the same ad, over and over again).
I know you are in the business and you think it is music to your ears
when someone screams at you with lies about some useless product.
One of the most attractive features of video recorders is the ability
to watch TV and skip the commercials. I do not even want to watch live
TV and seldom do. That has been true for me for over 40 years.

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On 8/18/2017 9:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 9:18 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your
obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

He doesn't understand how RFPs work... or even businesses for that
matter.

We've had government contracts. In every case, the only contact we
had with *anyone* until after it was awarded was to send multiple
copies of our proposal to a specific address. You either requested,
in writing, the RFP or downloaded it from a site.

I think he's confusing government contract with *union* contracts. :)



Perhaps there is less of it in the boondocks, but there was plenty of it
taking place when the ad agency I worked for handled military recruiting
promotion...Plenty of ass-kissing, lunches, receptions, and to a much
lesser degree when I was writing and producing videos for several
federal agencies.

I suppose if you are a "me too" company with nothing to differentiate
yourself from your competition some elbow bending, ass-kissing and
smoodging is required.