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Keyser Söze July 23rd 17 12:22 AM

waste, bigly
 

NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — With praise and a blessing for the military, President
Donald Trump helped hand over the USS Gerald R. Ford to the Navy on
Saturday and said the state-of-the-art aircraft carrier will send a
"100,000-ton message to the world" about America's military might when it
is ultimately deployed.

U.S. allies will rest easy, Trump said, but America's enemies will "shake
with fear" when they see the Ford cutting across the horizon.



....until it is slammed by a few missilea...

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.

Its Me July 23rd 17 01:10 AM

waste, bigly
 
On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 7:22:23 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — With praise and a blessing for the military, President
Donald Trump helped hand over the USS Gerald R. Ford to the Navy on
Saturday and said the state-of-the-art aircraft carrier will send a
"100,000-ton message to the world" about America's military might when it
is ultimately deployed.

U.S. allies will rest easy, Trump said, but America's enemies will "shake
with fear" when they see the Ford cutting across the horizon.



...until it is slammed by a few missilea...

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.


What is a "missilea"?

[email protected] July 23rd 17 01:42 AM

waste, bigly
 
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:10:41 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 7:22:23 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — With praise and a blessing for the military, President
Donald Trump helped hand over the USS Gerald R. Ford to the Navy on
Saturday and said the state-of-the-art aircraft carrier will send a
"100,000-ton message to the world" about America's military might when it
is ultimately deployed.

U.S. allies will rest easy, Trump said, but America's enemies will "shake
with fear" when they see the Ford cutting across the horizon.



...until it is slammed by a few missilea...

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.


What is a "missilea"?


Plural for missilus?


[email protected] July 23rd 17 01:43 AM

waste, bigly
 
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 19:22:20 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — With praise and a blessing for the military, President
Donald Trump helped hand over the USS Gerald R. Ford to the Navy on
Saturday and said the state-of-the-art aircraft carrier will send a
"100,000-ton message to the world" about America's military might when it
is ultimately deployed.

U.S. allies will rest easy, Trump said, but America's enemies will "shake
with fear" when they see the Ford cutting across the horizon.



...until it is slammed by a few missilea...


Air craft carrier are to scare 3d world dictators who don't have
missiles

Keyser Söze July 23rd 17 01:52 AM

waste, bigly
 
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:10:41 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 7:22:23 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — With praise and a blessing for the military, President
Donald Trump helped hand over the USS Gerald R. Ford to the Navy on
Saturday and said the state-of-the-art aircraft carrier will send a
"100,000-ton message to the world" about America's military might when it
is ultimately deployed.

U.S. allies will rest easy, Trump said, but America's enemies will "shake
with fear" when they see the Ford cutting across the horizon.



...until it is slammed by a few missilea...

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.


What is a "missilea"?


Plural for missilus?



Voice dictation with no autocorrect... :)

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.

Keyser Söze July 23rd 17 01:54 AM

waste, bigly
 
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 19:22:20 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — With praise and a blessing for the military, President
Donald Trump helped hand over the USS Gerald R. Ford to the Navy on
Saturday and said the state-of-the-art aircraft carrier will send a
"100,000-ton message to the world" about America's military might when it
is ultimately deployed.

U.S. allies will rest easy, Trump said, but America's enemies will "shake
with fear" when they see the Ford cutting across the horizon.



...until it is slammed by a few missilea...


Air craft carrier are to scare 3d world dictators who don't have
missiles


Those numbers are dwindling

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.

[email protected] July 23rd 17 02:52 AM

waste, bigly
 
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:52:45 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:10:41 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 7:22:23 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — With praise and a blessing for the military, President
Donald Trump helped hand over the USS Gerald R. Ford to the Navy on
Saturday and said the state-of-the-art aircraft carrier will send a
"100,000-ton message to the world" about America's military might when it
is ultimately deployed.

U.S. allies will rest easy, Trump said, but America's enemies will "shake
with fear" when they see the Ford cutting across the horizon.



...until it is slammed by a few missilea...

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.

What is a "missilea"?


Plural for missilus?



Voice dictation with no autocorrect... :)


Satire ;-)

[email protected] July 23rd 17 03:08 AM

waste, bigly
 
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:54:05 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:



...until it is slammed by a few missiles...


Air craft carrier are to scare 3d world dictators who don't have
missiles


Those numbers are dwindling


There are still plenty of countries with no real "over the horizon"
capabilities. A CBG is really a pretty capable projection of power
with missile ships all around it and a hunter killer sub or two
underwater. If we make up our mind nobody is going to get close, they
won't.
Firing a missile at a carrier will get your location cratered and if
we are ****ed enough a nuke crater.

Even my old rusty Coast Guard cutter was going to be like squashing a
wasp. You still had a real good chance of getting stung. We had 4-6
homing torpedoes on board and the first thing I did as mount commander
was to preset the last known position of any sub in range and if it
was "not a drill" I was supposed to pull the salt water plugs and the
tampions. When the 02 deck went under, those fish were going hunting,
if we were dead or not.

Alex[_12_] July 23rd 17 03:58 AM

waste, bigly
 
Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:10:41 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 7:22:23 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — With praise and a blessing for the military, President
Donald Trump helped hand over the USS Gerald R. Ford to the Navy on
Saturday and said the state-of-the-art aircraft carrier will send a
"100,000-ton message to the world" about America's military might when it
is ultimately deployed.

U.S. allies will rest easy, Trump said, but America's enemies will "shake
with fear" when they see the Ford cutting across the horizon.



...until it is slammed by a few missilea...

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.
What is a "missilea"?

Plural for missilus?


Voice dictation with no autocorrect... :)

BS


Alex[_12_] July 23rd 17 04:00 AM

waste, bigly
 
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 18:59:26 -0600 (MDT), justan wrote:

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
Voice dictation with no autocorrect... :)

You must slur your speech badly?

It makes you wonder why Apple voice recognition has misspelled words
in it's dictionary. I suspect there was a finger in there somewhere.


Of course. He's a documented liar.

Keyser Soze July 23rd 17 07:44 AM

waste, bigly
 
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:54:05 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:



...until it is slammed by a few missiles...

Air craft carrier are to scare 3d world dictators who don't have
missiles


Those numbers are dwindling


There are still plenty of countries with no real "over the horizon"
capabilities. A CBG is really a pretty capable projection of power
with missile ships all around it and a hunter killer sub or two
underwater. If we make up our mind nobody is going to get close, they
won't.
Firing a missile at a carrier will get your location cratered and if
we are ****ed enough a nuke crater.

Even my old rusty Coast Guard cutter was going to be like squashing a
wasp. You still had a real good chance of getting stung. We had 4-6
homing torpedoes on board and the first thing I did as mount commander
was to preset the last known position of any sub in range and if it
was "not a drill" I was supposed to pull the salt water plugs and the
tampions. When the 02 deck went under, those fish were going hunting,
if we were dead or not.


Firing a half dozen missiles from truck based launchers will do the job.

--
Posted with my iPad Pro

Tim July 23rd 17 01:26 PM

waste, bigly
 
On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 7:42:33 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:10:41 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 7:22:23 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — With praise and a blessing for the military, President
Donald Trump helped hand over the USS Gerald R. Ford to the Navy on
Saturday and said the state-of-the-art aircraft carrier will send a
"100,000-ton message to the world" about America's military might when it
is ultimately deployed.

U.S. allies will rest easy, Trump said, but America's enemies will "shake
with fear" when they see the Ford cutting across the horizon.



...until it is slammed by a few missilea...

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.


What is a "missilea"?


Plural for missilus?


Wouldn't that be 'missili?"

[email protected] July 23rd 17 04:23 PM

waste, bigly
 
On 23 Jul 2017 06:44:59 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:54:05 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:



...until it is slammed by a few missiles...

Air craft carrier are to scare 3d world dictators who don't have
missiles


Those numbers are dwindling


There are still plenty of countries with no real "over the horizon"
capabilities. A CBG is really a pretty capable projection of power
with missile ships all around it and a hunter killer sub or two
underwater. If we make up our mind nobody is going to get close, they
won't.
Firing a missile at a carrier will get your location cratered and if
we are ****ed enough a nuke crater.

Even my old rusty Coast Guard cutter was going to be like squashing a
wasp. You still had a real good chance of getting stung. We had 4-6
homing torpedoes on board and the first thing I did as mount commander
was to preset the last known position of any sub in range and if it
was "not a drill" I was supposed to pull the salt water plugs and the
tampions. When the 02 deck went under, those fish were going hunting,
if we were dead or not.


Firing a half dozen missiles from truck based launchers will do the job.


There is a real good chance that we can knock down a half dozen cruise
missiles in the 100 miles or so that a CBG would be standing off. If
they have nuke warheads it is WWIII anyway so losing the carrier is
preferable to San Francisco.

[email protected] July 23rd 17 04:24 PM

waste, bigly
 
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 05:26:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 7:42:33 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:10:41 -0700 (PDT), Its Me



...until it is slammed by a few missilea...

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.

What is a "missilea"?


Plural for missilus?


Wouldn't that be 'missili?"


Dunno. When you are making up words, you get to choose the spelling.

Keyser Söze July 23rd 17 04:35 PM

waste, bigly
 
wrote:
On 23 Jul 2017 06:44:59 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:54:05 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:


...until it is slammed by a few missiles...

Air craft carrier are to scare 3d world dictators who don't have
missiles


Those numbers are dwindling

There are still plenty of countries with no real "over the horizon"
capabilities. A CBG is really a pretty capable projection of power
with missile ships all around it and a hunter killer sub or two
underwater. If we make up our mind nobody is going to get close, they
won't.
Firing a missile at a carrier will get your location cratered and if
we are ****ed enough a nuke crater.

Even my old rusty Coast Guard cutter was going to be like squashing a
wasp. You still had a real good chance of getting stung. We had 4-6
homing torpedoes on board and the first thing I did as mount commander
was to preset the last known position of any sub in range and if it
was "not a drill" I was supposed to pull the salt water plugs and the
tampions. When the 02 deck went under, those fish were going hunting,
if we were dead or not.


Firing a half dozen missiles from truck based launchers will do the job.


There is a real good chance that we can knock down a half dozen cruise
missiles in the 100 miles or so that a CBG would be standing off. If
they have nuke warheads it is WWIII anyway so losing the carrier is
preferable to San Francisco.


There are plenty of legit analyses extant that discuss the vulnerability of
our super carriers.

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.

[email protected] July 23rd 17 05:32 PM

waste, bigly
 
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 11:35:24 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On 23 Jul 2017 06:44:59 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:54:05 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:


...until it is slammed by a few missiles...

Air craft carrier are to scare 3d world dictators who don't have
missiles


Those numbers are dwindling

There are still plenty of countries with no real "over the horizon"
capabilities. A CBG is really a pretty capable projection of power
with missile ships all around it and a hunter killer sub or two
underwater. If we make up our mind nobody is going to get close, they
won't.
Firing a missile at a carrier will get your location cratered and if
we are ****ed enough a nuke crater.

Even my old rusty Coast Guard cutter was going to be like squashing a
wasp. You still had a real good chance of getting stung. We had 4-6
homing torpedoes on board and the first thing I did as mount commander
was to preset the last known position of any sub in range and if it
was "not a drill" I was supposed to pull the salt water plugs and the
tampions. When the 02 deck went under, those fish were going hunting,
if we were dead or not.


Firing a half dozen missiles from truck based launchers will do the job.


There is a real good chance that we can knock down a half dozen cruise
missiles in the 100 miles or so that a CBG would be standing off. If
they have nuke warheads it is WWIII anyway so losing the carrier is
preferable to San Francisco.


There are plenty of legit analyses extant that discuss the vulnerability of
our super carriers.


Not so much when you look at the 3d world people we tend to target
with them these days. I agree if China or Russia wants to kill a
carrier, they can but Somali pirates, ISIS fighters in Syria or frisky
North African dictators don't stand a chance.
The current bad guy is Kim but if he took a shot at one of our
carriers, it would end up being the end of N Korea as we know it and a
good chance of that WWIII I was talking about (depending on what China
does). In that regard a carrier is looked at more like a city than as
a ship. Nuking the USS Ford would have the same effect as Nuking
Seattle. It is unlikely that a few conventional warheads would sink a
carrier. These are not the small, thin skinned destroyers that have
taken missile hits or suicide attacks and even those lived to fight
another day.

Keyser Soze July 23rd 17 05:34 PM

waste, bigly
 
On 7/23/17 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 11:35:24 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On 23 Jul 2017 06:44:59 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:54:05 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:


...until it is slammed by a few missiles...

Air craft carrier are to scare 3d world dictators who don't have
missiles


Those numbers are dwindling

There are still plenty of countries with no real "over the horizon"
capabilities. A CBG is really a pretty capable projection of power
with missile ships all around it and a hunter killer sub or two
underwater. If we make up our mind nobody is going to get close, they
won't.
Firing a missile at a carrier will get your location cratered and if
we are ****ed enough a nuke crater.

Even my old rusty Coast Guard cutter was going to be like squashing a
wasp. You still had a real good chance of getting stung. We had 4-6
homing torpedoes on board and the first thing I did as mount commander
was to preset the last known position of any sub in range and if it
was "not a drill" I was supposed to pull the salt water plugs and the
tampions. When the 02 deck went under, those fish were going hunting,
if we were dead or not.


Firing a half dozen missiles from truck based launchers will do the job.

There is a real good chance that we can knock down a half dozen cruise
missiles in the 100 miles or so that a CBG would be standing off. If
they have nuke warheads it is WWIII anyway so losing the carrier is
preferable to San Francisco.


There are plenty of legit analyses extant that discuss the vulnerability of
our super carriers.


Not so much when you look at the 3d world people we tend to target
with them these days. I agree if China or Russia wants to kill a
carrier, they can but Somali pirates, ISIS fighters in Syria or frisky
North African dictators don't stand a chance.
The current bad guy is Kim but if he took a shot at one of our
carriers, it would end up being the end of N Korea as we know it and a
good chance of that WWIII I was talking about (depending on what China
does). In that regard a carrier is looked at more like a city than as
a ship. Nuking the USS Ford would have the same effect as Nuking
Seattle. It is unlikely that a few conventional warheads would sink a
carrier. These are not the small, thin skinned destroyers that have
taken missile hits or suicide attacks and even those lived to fight
another day.



You're ignoring arms trade. What's to prevent Russia from handing Syria
a few dozen anti-ship missiles? What are we going to do in return, nuke
Syria? Kill even more civilians? These large ships are nothing more than
movable targets.

[email protected] July 23rd 17 05:48 PM

waste, bigly
 
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 12:34:48 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 7/23/17 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 11:35:24 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On 23 Jul 2017 06:44:59 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:54:05 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:


...until it is slammed by a few missiles...

Air craft carrier are to scare 3d world dictators who don't have
missiles


Those numbers are dwindling

There are still plenty of countries with no real "over the horizon"
capabilities. A CBG is really a pretty capable projection of power
with missile ships all around it and a hunter killer sub or two
underwater. If we make up our mind nobody is going to get close, they
won't.
Firing a missile at a carrier will get your location cratered and if
we are ****ed enough a nuke crater.

Even my old rusty Coast Guard cutter was going to be like squashing a
wasp. You still had a real good chance of getting stung. We had 4-6
homing torpedoes on board and the first thing I did as mount commander
was to preset the last known position of any sub in range and if it
was "not a drill" I was supposed to pull the salt water plugs and the
tampions. When the 02 deck went under, those fish were going hunting,
if we were dead or not.


Firing a half dozen missiles from truck based launchers will do the job.

There is a real good chance that we can knock down a half dozen cruise
missiles in the 100 miles or so that a CBG would be standing off. If
they have nuke warheads it is WWIII anyway so losing the carrier is
preferable to San Francisco.


There are plenty of legit analyses extant that discuss the vulnerability of
our super carriers.


Not so much when you look at the 3d world people we tend to target
with them these days. I agree if China or Russia wants to kill a
carrier, they can but Somali pirates, ISIS fighters in Syria or frisky
North African dictators don't stand a chance.
The current bad guy is Kim but if he took a shot at one of our
carriers, it would end up being the end of N Korea as we know it and a
good chance of that WWIII I was talking about (depending on what China
does). In that regard a carrier is looked at more like a city than as
a ship. Nuking the USS Ford would have the same effect as Nuking
Seattle. It is unlikely that a few conventional warheads would sink a
carrier. These are not the small, thin skinned destroyers that have
taken missile hits or suicide attacks and even those lived to fight
another day.



You're ignoring arms trade. What's to prevent Russia from handing Syria
a few dozen anti-ship missiles? What are we going to do in return, nuke
Syria? Kill even more civilians? These large ships are nothing more than
movable targets.


You keep assuming a missile hit will actually kill a carrier and that
we can't shoot down a missile, particularly the cruise type that most
antiship missiles are.
As for retaliation, when has killing a ****load of civilians been an
impediment? That stopped even being an issue almost 80 years ago.
WWII was a war that was mostly waged against civilians and that was
the "good" war.

What are ships? A huge "made in the USA" jobs program. That is why
they get so much congressional support. Virtually every district in
the country had a little pork from the Ford construction in one way or
another.

Keyser Soze July 23rd 17 05:52 PM

waste, bigly
 
On 7/23/17 12:48 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 12:34:48 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 7/23/17 12:32 PM,
wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 11:35:24 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On 23 Jul 2017 06:44:59 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:54:05 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:


...until it is slammed by a few missiles...

Air craft carrier are to scare 3d world dictators who don't have
missiles


Those numbers are dwindling

There are still plenty of countries with no real "over the horizon"
capabilities. A CBG is really a pretty capable projection of power
with missile ships all around it and a hunter killer sub or two
underwater. If we make up our mind nobody is going to get close, they
won't.
Firing a missile at a carrier will get your location cratered and if
we are ****ed enough a nuke crater.

Even my old rusty Coast Guard cutter was going to be like squashing a
wasp. You still had a real good chance of getting stung. We had 4-6
homing torpedoes on board and the first thing I did as mount commander
was to preset the last known position of any sub in range and if it
was "not a drill" I was supposed to pull the salt water plugs and the
tampions. When the 02 deck went under, those fish were going hunting,
if we were dead or not.


Firing a half dozen missiles from truck based launchers will do the job.

There is a real good chance that we can knock down a half dozen cruise
missiles in the 100 miles or so that a CBG would be standing off. If
they have nuke warheads it is WWIII anyway so losing the carrier is
preferable to San Francisco.


There are plenty of legit analyses extant that discuss the vulnerability of
our super carriers.

Not so much when you look at the 3d world people we tend to target
with them these days. I agree if China or Russia wants to kill a
carrier, they can but Somali pirates, ISIS fighters in Syria or frisky
North African dictators don't stand a chance.
The current bad guy is Kim but if he took a shot at one of our
carriers, it would end up being the end of N Korea as we know it and a
good chance of that WWIII I was talking about (depending on what China
does). In that regard a carrier is looked at more like a city than as
a ship. Nuking the USS Ford would have the same effect as Nuking
Seattle. It is unlikely that a few conventional warheads would sink a
carrier. These are not the small, thin skinned destroyers that have
taken missile hits or suicide attacks and even those lived to fight
another day.



You're ignoring arms trade. What's to prevent Russia from handing Syria
a few dozen anti-ship missiles? What are we going to do in return, nuke
Syria? Kill even more civilians? These large ships are nothing more than
movable targets.


You keep assuming a missile hit will actually kill a carrier and that
we can't shoot down a missile, particularly the cruise type that most
antiship missiles are.
As for retaliation, when has killing a ****load of civilians been an
impediment? That stopped even being an issue almost 80 years ago.
WWII was a war that was mostly waged against civilians and that was
the "good" war.

What are ships? A huge "made in the USA" jobs program. That is why
they get so much congressional support. Virtually every district in
the country had a little pork from the Ford construction in one way or
another.


Yeah, I know. The money could best be used on infrastructure and other
expenditures that actually improve the quality of life for more
Americans. Infrastructure improvements put a lot of people in disparate
fields to work.

[email protected] July 23rd 17 06:25 PM

waste, bigly
 
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 12:52:38 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

What are ships? A huge "made in the USA" jobs program. That is why
they get so much congressional support. Virtually every district in
the country had a little pork from the Ford construction in one way or
another.


Yeah, I know. The money could best be used on infrastructure and other
expenditures that actually improve the quality of life for more
Americans. Infrastructure improvements put a lot of people in disparate
fields to work.


I agree but as long as we will not adopt the Libertarian concept of
minding our own damned business and stop being the policeman of the
world we will need those ways to project our power.
We do not want our wars to be a fair fight. We want overwhelming
superiority and a carrier battle group loitering over the horizon is
the best way to do that if we are not just going to use
intercontinental ballistic missiles.

Mr. Luddite July 23rd 17 07:59 PM

waste, bigly
 
On 7/23/2017 1:25 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 12:52:38 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

What are ships? A huge "made in the USA" jobs program. That is why
they get so much congressional support. Virtually every district in
the country had a little pork from the Ford construction in one way or
another.


Yeah, I know. The money could best be used on infrastructure and other
expenditures that actually improve the quality of life for more
Americans. Infrastructure improvements put a lot of people in disparate
fields to work.


I agree but as long as we will not adopt the Libertarian concept of
minding our own damned business and stop being the policeman of the
world we will need those ways to project our power.
We do not want our wars to be a fair fight. We want overwhelming
superiority and a carrier battle group loitering over the horizon is
the best way to do that if we are not just going to use
intercontinental ballistic missiles.


Exactly right. Furthermore, it's not in the cards for the USA to adopt
your concept of minding our own business anytime soon. Too many
treaties and obligations to the rest of the world.

Harry's also buying into the liberal belief that a carrier is "a moving
target" in our modern Navy. It's moving all right but damn hard to hit
with all the defensive systems and accompanying ships in a task force.
Even if a couple got through, it's unlikely to be put out of commission.




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Keyser Soze July 23rd 17 09:09 PM

waste, bigly
 
On 7/23/17 2:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Harry's also buying into the liberal belief that a carrier is "a moving
target" in our modern Navy. It's moving all right but damn hard to hit
with all the defensive systems and accompanying ships in a task force.
Even if a couple got through, it's unlikely to be put out of commission.


Uh-huh. Right. Because we have multiple tests demonstrating what happens
to a carrier hit by a handful of missiles or torpedos loaded with a
couple of tons of HE. Oh, we don't?


John H[_2_] July 23rd 17 09:50 PM

waste, bigly
 
On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 8:52:48 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:10:41 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 7:22:23 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — With praise and a blessing for the military, President
Donald Trump helped hand over the USS Gerald R. Ford to the Navy on
Saturday and said the state-of-the-art aircraft carrier will send a
"100,000-ton message to the world" about America's military might when it
is ultimately deployed.

U.S. allies will rest easy, Trump said, but America's enemies will "shake
with fear" when they see the Ford cutting across the horizon.



...until it is slammed by a few missilea...

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From Mr. Precision?

[email protected] July 24th 17 01:06 AM

waste, bigly
 
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 16:09:15 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 7/23/17 2:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Harry's also buying into the liberal belief that a carrier is "a moving
target" in our modern Navy. It's moving all right but damn hard to hit
with all the defensive systems and accompanying ships in a task force.
Even if a couple got through, it's unlikely to be put out of commission.


Uh-huh. Right. Because we have multiple tests demonstrating what happens
to a carrier hit by a handful of missiles or torpedos loaded with a
couple of tons of HE. Oh, we don't?


We have pretty good simulations because it is not the first time we
have seen a ton of HE hitting a ship and they have these computers.
The real issue is these carriers are going to set up 100-150 miles
away with a destroyer screen and a sub or two. It is going to be hard
to get close enough to take a shot at one.
They also move around a bit themselves.
I know the chinese have a truck fired cruise missile that can hit a
ship but they still need to know where the ship is and hope an air to
air missile doesn't shoot down their cruise missile 30 or 40 miles
away from the carrier. We have some pretty good stuff on those
destroyers.

They can still have planes over your ass in 15 minutes, even when they
are not loitering just outside your perimeter.
They can keep that up 24/7 until they run out of bombs and jet fuel.




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