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Yet another Pathfinder update ... interesting.
Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston for some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying. So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two engineers from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete tear down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be more widespread and a recall may be in order. It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact, the rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component doesn't exist. Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They sent a letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers match what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car shopping again. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
Yet another Pathfinder update ... interesting.
On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston for some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying. So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two engineers from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete tear down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be more widespread and a recall may be in order. It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact, the rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component doesn't exist. Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They sent a letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers match what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car shopping again. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have had a hand in saving lives. |
Yet another Pathfinder update ... interesting.
True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote: Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston for some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying. So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two engineers from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete tear down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be more widespread and a recall may be in order. It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact, the rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component doesn't exist. Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They sent a letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers match what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car shopping again. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have had a hand in saving lives. Unlike Nova Scotia, most places people do not freeze to death if the car heater fails the work. |
Yet another Pathfinder update ... interesting.
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 02:39:58 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: Unlike Nova Scotia, most places people do not freeze to death if the car heater fails the work. It might take me a year or two to notice and I am always in shorts and a T shirt ;-) I am not sure when the heat was on in the Prelude last. On a really cool winter day, I just turn off the AC |
Yet another Pathfinder update ... interesting.
True North wrote: On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote: Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston for some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying. So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two engineers from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete tear down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be more widespread and a recall may be in order. It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact, the rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component doesn't exist. Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They sent a letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers match what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car shopping again. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have had a hand in saving lives. Doubtful. It just doesn't have any heat. Of course, it wouldn't defrost the windshield in the winter either. I am still wondering what the electrical burning odor was though. Somehow, I think it must tie into whatever the problem is. |
Yet another Pathfinder update ... interesting.
On 6/29/17 2:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
True North wrote: On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote: Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston for some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying. So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two engineers from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete tear down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be more widespread and a recall may be in order. It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact, the rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component doesn't exist. Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They sent a letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers match what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car shopping again. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have had a hand in saving lives. Doubtful. It just doesn't have any heat. Of course, it wouldn't defrost the windshield in the winter either. I am still wondering what the electrical burning odor was though. Somehow, I think it must tie into whatever the problem is. The only real humor I find in your situation is that my guess, that you might not be right about the cause, turned out to be correct. Not that I have a clue about what might be wrong, because I don't, but I thought your "solution" was too straightforward. I'm glad it is going to turn out OK for you, though. |
Yet another Pathfinder update ... interesting.
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 08:12:29 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/17 2:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: True North wrote: On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote: Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston for some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying. So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two engineers from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete tear down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be more widespread and a recall may be in order. It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact, the rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component doesn't exist. Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They sent a letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers match what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car shopping again. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have had a hand in saving lives. Doubtful. It just doesn't have any heat. Of course, it wouldn't defrost the windshield in the winter either. I am still wondering what the electrical burning odor was though. Somehow, I think it must tie into whatever the problem is. The only real humor I find in your situation is that my guess, that you might not be right about the cause, turned out to be correct. Not that I have a clue about what might be wrong, because I don't, but I thought your "solution" was too straightforward. I'm glad it is going to turn out OK for you, though. Omniscience is great, eh Harry? Goes well with your narcissism doesn't it? |
Yet another Pathfinder update ... interesting.
On Thursday, 29 June 2017 03:32:58 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
True North wrote: On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote: Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston for some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying. So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two engineers from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete tear down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be more widespread and a recall may be in order. It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact, the rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component doesn't exist. Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They sent a letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers match what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car shopping again. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have had a hand in saving lives. Doubtful. It just doesn't have any heat. Of course, it wouldn't defrost the windshield in the winter either. I am still wondering what the electrical burning odor was though. Somehow, I think it must tie into whatever the problem is. I was thinking more if an electrical fire was possible in some cases. Your point about frosted windshields is a good one. I lived through that with a 1972 VW Super Beetle when I built a house 15 miles outside the city. The Bug would get warm on the way home so I'd close the heater way down and they would freeze overnight in the off or low position. Took about 5 miles of white knuckle driving before I could see where I was going. |
Yet another Pathfinder update ... interesting.
On 6/29/2017 8:12 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/17 2:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: True North wrote: On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote: Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston for some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying. So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two engineers from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete tear down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be more widespread and a recall may be in order. It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact, the rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component doesn't exist. Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They sent a letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers match what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car shopping again. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have had a hand in saving lives. Doubtful. It just doesn't have any heat. Of course, it wouldn't defrost the windshield in the winter either. I am still wondering what the electrical burning odor was though. Somehow, I think it must tie into whatever the problem is. The only real humor I find in your situation is that my guess, that you might not be right about the cause, turned out to be correct. Not that I have a clue about what might be wrong, because I don't, but I thought your "solution" was too straightforward. I'm glad it is going to turn out OK for you, though. I can't fault the dealership or Nissan for trying to diagnose and fix it, even to the point of shipping and installing a new engine. But when the Nissan field engineers that looked at it yesterday morning left as baffled as everyone else I was sorta relieved in a way. The fact that they want to return the whole car to Nissan for an autopsy means they probably have concerns beyond my vehicle exclusively. I think there may be a recall in the works once they determine exactly what the problem is. It also means they can't screw around with the figures for the buy back. I'll be completely made "whole", including sales tax, registration and title fees, administrative fees, trade in allowance and the small amount of cash I paid. Now it's just a matter of waiting for, checking and accepting the formal offer. |
Yet another Pathfinder update ... interesting.
On 6/29/17 8:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/29/2017 8:12 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 6/29/17 2:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: True North wrote: On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote: Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston for some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying. So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two engineers from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete tear down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be more widespread and a recall may be in order. It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact, the rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component doesn't exist. Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They sent a letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers match what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car shopping again. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have had a hand in saving lives. Doubtful. It just doesn't have any heat. Of course, it wouldn't defrost the windshield in the winter either. I am still wondering what the electrical burning odor was though. Somehow, I think it must tie into whatever the problem is. The only real humor I find in your situation is that my guess, that you might not be right about the cause, turned out to be correct. Not that I have a clue about what might be wrong, because I don't, but I thought your "solution" was too straightforward. I'm glad it is going to turn out OK for you, though. I can't fault the dealership or Nissan for trying to diagnose and fix it, even to the point of shipping and installing a new engine. But when the Nissan field engineers that looked at it yesterday morning left as baffled as everyone else I was sorta relieved in a way. The fact that they want to return the whole car to Nissan for an autopsy means they probably have concerns beyond my vehicle exclusively. I think there may be a recall in the works once they determine exactly what the problem is. It also means they can't screw around with the figures for the buy back. I'll be completely made "whole", including sales tax, registration and title fees, administrative fees, trade in allowance and the small amount of cash I paid. Now it's just a matter of waiting for, checking and accepting the formal offer. Nothing is better than a happy ending! :) |
Yet another Pathfinder update ... interesting.
On 6/29/2017 9:29 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/17 8:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/29/2017 8:12 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 6/29/17 2:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: True North wrote: On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote: Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston for some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying. So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two engineers from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete tear down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be more widespread and a recall may be in order. It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact, the rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component doesn't exist. Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They sent a letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers match what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car shopping again. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have had a hand in saving lives. Doubtful. It just doesn't have any heat. Of course, it wouldn't defrost the windshield in the winter either. I am still wondering what the electrical burning odor was though. Somehow, I think it must tie into whatever the problem is. The only real humor I find in your situation is that my guess, that you might not be right about the cause, turned out to be correct. Not that I have a clue about what might be wrong, because I don't, but I thought your "solution" was too straightforward. I'm glad it is going to turn out OK for you, though. I can't fault the dealership or Nissan for trying to diagnose and fix it, even to the point of shipping and installing a new engine. But when the Nissan field engineers that looked at it yesterday morning left as baffled as everyone else I was sorta relieved in a way. The fact that they want to return the whole car to Nissan for an autopsy means they probably have concerns beyond my vehicle exclusively. I think there may be a recall in the works once they determine exactly what the problem is. It also means they can't screw around with the figures for the buy back. I'll be completely made "whole", including sales tax, registration and title fees, administrative fees, trade in allowance and the small amount of cash I paid. Now it's just a matter of waiting for, checking and accepting the formal offer. Nothing is better than a happy ending! :) Staying on top of problems like this is good exercise for the brain. I have the MA Lemon Laws committed to memory and trying to figure out what the problem on my own is good for whatever brain cells I have left. |
Yet another Pathfinder update ... interesting.
On 6/29/2017 10:15 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 6/29/2017 8:12 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 6/29/17 2:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: True North wrote: On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote: Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston for some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying. So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two engineers from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete tear down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be more widespread and a recall may be in order. It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact, the rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component doesn't exist. Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They sent a letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers match what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car shopping again. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have had a hand in saving lives. Doubtful. It just doesn't have any heat. Of course, it wouldn't defrost the windshield in the winter either. I am still wondering what the electrical burning odor was though. Somehow, I think it must tie into whatever the problem is. The only real humor I find in your situation is that my guess, that you might not be right about the cause, turned out to be correct. Not that I have a clue about what might be wrong, because I don't, but I thought your "solution" was too straightforward. I'm glad it is going to turn out OK for you, though. I can't fault the dealership or Nissan for trying to diagnose and fix it, even to the point of shipping and installing a new engine. But when the Nissan field engineers that looked at it yesterday morning left as baffled as everyone else I was sorta relieved in a way. The fact that they want to return the whole car to Nissan for an autopsy means they probably have concerns beyond my vehicle exclusively. I think there may be a recall in the works once they determine exactly what the problem is. It also means they can't screw around with the figures for the buy back. I'll be completely made "whole", including sales tax, registration and title fees, administrative fees, trade in allowance and the small amount of cash I paid. Now it's just a matter of waiting for, checking and accepting the formal offer. It's nice that they gave you a car to drive but I don't think they are acknowleging your inconvenience in a meaningful way. This whole thing should have been settled weeks ago. If trading for the car you are driving would have made you happy, they should have made that happen. In hindsight Nissan would probably agree with you. They are paying for the rental I am driving and have been for a month now. I think it's a case of following policies and procedures. The person handling the "case" is a Nissan Arbitration Specialist. She can't bend the rules or make deals on her own. |
Yet another Pathfinder update ... interesting.
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 02:32:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: True North wrote: On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote: Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston for some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying. So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two engineers from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete tear down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be more widespread and a recall may be in order. It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact, the rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component doesn't exist. Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They sent a letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers match what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car shopping again. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have had a hand in saving lives. Doubtful. It just doesn't have any heat. Of course, it wouldn't defrost the windshield in the winter either. I am still wondering what the electrical burning odor was though. Somehow, I think it must tie into whatever the problem is. How do they control the heat if the front is hot water? |
Yet another Pathfinder update ... interesting.
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 13:32:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: How do they control the heat if the front is hot water? I don't know. All I was told was that my theory had merit up to the 2016 model year. The design was changed in 2017 and the "Heat Control Valve" that I suspected is no longer used. The rear heat is now electric, eliminating the plumbing to a second heater core. I understand that the rear heat is electric but they would not have replaced an engine to fix an electrical problem so the front must be hot water. That is really the only practical way to get heat into a car anyway since a typical full size car heater core is about 24,000 BTU when the engine is at operating temperature. That is 7 KW of power. (almost 600 amps at 12v) I can understand that they probably get away with smaller heaters these days but that is what the good old "GM heater" was in the olden days and what you wanted if it was really cold outside. It does give you a sense of scale tho. Even if they just have 1-2-1.4kw of heat (a big hair dryer or a plug in space heater) it is still ~100 amps. This is why sometimes an "older design" is also a more mature design that has the benefit of having all the bugs worked out. I used to call it the "not invented here" syndrome when I had my company. For some reason engineers .... and it was usually the mechanical types ... were never satisfied with a previous and proven design of something if they didn't have a hand in it's original development. Since they didn't "invent it" they always wanted to modify or change it. I had to implement a standing order that if the design of some component of the thin film deposition systems we built wanted to be changed by engineering, it required a design review meeting that included me where the engineer or designer was given the opportunity to pitch his or her case for the change. One of the critical issues was the hinges for the big chamber doors. The doors could weigh a couple of tons and the hinge itself had to allow a certain amount of articulation to allow the door to easily seal to the chamber flange O-ring. Without the articulation the hinge side of the door would scuff across the O-ring causing premature wear and making the door difficult to close. It took a while to work out a good design but the engineers and designers often tried to "improve" it. I know all about "NIH". We used to have that fight between plants. The "air cooled" guys at Endicott always ignored and dismissed any idea that came from Kingston Poughkeepsie (water cooled) The GSD plant in Rochester was like a different company (S/36 AS/400) They didn't do anything the same. |
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