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Destroyer/Container ship collision
Saw the pictures of the USS Fitzgerald and the merchant container ship that were involved in a collision. The bow of the merchant ship obviously hit the destroyer on it's starboard side. Maritime rules say (if memory serves) a powered vessel crossing from right to left is the "stand on" vessel and the other is the "give way" vessel and is required to turn to starboard and pass astern of the other, stop or take other evasive action to avoid a collision. National Maritime College Rule: "When two power-driven vessels are in crossing situation on a collision course, give way to the vessel to starboard (right).The give way vessel must take early and obvious action to avoid a collision by either stopping or altering course to starboard." Based on the damage to the merchant ship's bow and the damage to the destroyer's starboard side, it appears the destroyer tried to cut across the bow of the merchant ship. There may have been other factors obviously, like other vessels in the area. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
Destroyer/Container ship collision
On Saturday, June 17, 2017 at 2:01:54 PM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Saw the pictures of the USS Fitzgerald and the merchant container ship that were involved in a collision. The bow of the merchant ship obviously hit the destroyer on it's starboard side. Maritime rules say (if memory serves) a powered vessel crossing from right to left is the "stand on" vessel and the other is the "give way" vessel and is required to turn to starboard and pass astern of the other, stop or take other evasive action to avoid a collision. National Maritime College Rule: "When two power-driven vessels are in crossing situation on a collision course, give way to the vessel to starboard (right).The give way vessel must take early and obvious action to avoid a collision by either stopping or altering course to starboard." Based on the damage to the merchant ship's bow and the damage to the destroyer's starboard side, it appears the destroyer tried to cut across the bow of the merchant ship. There may have been other factors obviously, like other vessels in the area. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Looking at the damage to the container ship on the port bow thats what it seems to be. AIS says it was doing 17+ knots when it happened. Captains quarters are always on the starboard side, and I'm gonna guess thats where he was when it occured, and why he was medivaced as well. Prayers to those missing. |
Destroyer/Container ship collision
On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:01:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: Saw the pictures of the USS Fitzgerald and the merchant container ship that were involved in a collision. The bow of the merchant ship obviously hit the destroyer on it's starboard side. Maritime rules say (if memory serves) a powered vessel crossing from right to left is the "stand on" vessel and the other is the "give way" vessel and is required to turn to starboard and pass astern of the other, stop or take other evasive action to avoid a collision. National Maritime College Rule: "When two power-driven vessels are in crossing situation on a collision course, give way to the vessel to starboard (right).The give way vessel must take early and obvious action to avoid a collision by either stopping or altering course to starboard." Based on the damage to the merchant ship's bow and the damage to the destroyer's starboard side, it appears the destroyer tried to cut across the bow of the merchant ship. There may have been other factors obviously, like other vessels in the area. Any time you have damage on your starboard side the question of burdened vessel might come up. Was the freighter overtaking? This certainly looks like a 90 degree shot tho, not a glancing blow. |
Destroyer/Container ship collision
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:01:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Saw the pictures of the USS Fitzgerald and the merchant container ship that were involved in a collision. The bow of the merchant ship obviously hit the destroyer on it's starboard side. Maritime rules say (if memory serves) a powered vessel crossing from right to left is the "stand on" vessel and the other is the "give way" vessel and is required to turn to starboard and pass astern of the other, stop or take other evasive action to avoid a collision. National Maritime College Rule: "When two power-driven vessels are in crossing situation on a collision course, give way to the vessel to starboard (right).The give way vessel must take early and obvious action to avoid a collision by either stopping or altering course to starboard." Based on the damage to the merchant ship's bow and the damage to the destroyer's starboard side, it appears the destroyer tried to cut across the bow of the merchant ship. There may have been other factors obviously, like other vessels in the area. Any time you have damage on your starboard side the question of burdened vessel might come up. Was the freighter overtaking? This certainly looks like a 90 degree shot tho, not a glancing blow. Looked like an angle shot as the container ship bow is not caved in, but the front near the anchor is tore up. |
Destroyer/Container ship collision
On 6/18/2017 1:37 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote: On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:01:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Saw the pictures of the USS Fitzgerald and the merchant container ship that were involved in a collision. The bow of the merchant ship obviously hit the destroyer on it's starboard side. Maritime rules say (if memory serves) a powered vessel crossing from right to left is the "stand on" vessel and the other is the "give way" vessel and is required to turn to starboard and pass astern of the other, stop or take other evasive action to avoid a collision. National Maritime College Rule: "When two power-driven vessels are in crossing situation on a collision course, give way to the vessel to starboard (right).The give way vessel must take early and obvious action to avoid a collision by either stopping or altering course to starboard." Based on the damage to the merchant ship's bow and the damage to the destroyer's starboard side, it appears the destroyer tried to cut across the bow of the merchant ship. There may have been other factors obviously, like other vessels in the area. Any time you have damage on your starboard side the question of burdened vessel might come up. Was the freighter overtaking? This certainly looks like a 90 degree shot tho, not a glancing blow. Looked like an angle shot as the container ship bow is not caved in, but the front near the anchor is tore up. Sadly, they found the missing sailors dead in their flooded berthing compartment. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
Destroyer/Container ship collision
On 6/18/17 7:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/18/2017 1:37 AM, Bill wrote: wrote: On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:01:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Saw the pictures of the USS Fitzgerald and the merchant container ship that were involved in a collision. The bow of the merchant ship obviously hit the destroyer on it's starboard side. Maritime rules say (if memory serves) a powered vessel crossing from right to left is the "stand on" vessel and the other is the "give way" vessel and is required to turn to starboard and pass astern of the other, stop or take other evasive action to avoid a collision. National Maritime College Rule: "When two power-driven vessels are in crossing situation on a collision course, give way to the vessel to starboard (right).The give way vessel must take early and obvious action to avoid a collision by either stopping or altering course to starboard." Based on the damage to the merchant ship's bow and the damage to the destroyer's starboard side, it appears the destroyer tried to cut across the bow of the merchant ship. There may have been other factors obviously, like other vessels in the area. Any time you have damage on your starboard side the question of burdened vessel might come up. Was the freighter overtaking? This certainly looks like a 90 degree shot tho, not a glancing blow. Looked like an angle shot as the container ship bow is not caved in, but the front near the anchor is tore up. Sadly, they found the missing sailors dead in their flooded berthing compartment. This is really sad...the assumption is the guys were asleep in their bunks when the collision happened? The inquiry should be interesting. I would have thought a modern warship would be able to sustain a heavy hit like it took without being so seriously damaged. |
Destroyer/Container ship collision
On 6/18/2017 8:20 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/18/17 7:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/18/2017 1:37 AM, Bill wrote: wrote: On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:01:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Saw the pictures of the USS Fitzgerald and the merchant container ship that were involved in a collision. The bow of the merchant ship obviously hit the destroyer on it's starboard side. Maritime rules say (if memory serves) a powered vessel crossing from right to left is the "stand on" vessel and the other is the "give way" vessel and is required to turn to starboard and pass astern of the other, stop or take other evasive action to avoid a collision. National Maritime College Rule: "When two power-driven vessels are in crossing situation on a collision course, give way to the vessel to starboard (right).The give way vessel must take early and obvious action to avoid a collision by either stopping or altering course to starboard." Based on the damage to the merchant ship's bow and the damage to the destroyer's starboard side, it appears the destroyer tried to cut across the bow of the merchant ship. There may have been other factors obviously, like other vessels in the area. Any time you have damage on your starboard side the question of burdened vessel might come up. Was the freighter overtaking? This certainly looks like a 90 degree shot tho, not a glancing blow. Looked like an angle shot as the container ship bow is not caved in, but the front near the anchor is tore up. Sadly, they found the missing sailors dead in their flooded berthing compartment. This is really sad...the assumption is the guys were asleep in their bunks when the collision happened? The inquiry should be interesting. I would have thought a modern warship would be able to sustain a heavy hit like it took without being so seriously damaged. It's amazing that the destroyer wasn't cut in half. The merchant container ship displaces 29,000 tons empty (without cargo) and was heavily loaded making it's displacement closer to 45,000 - 50,000 tons. The USS Fitzgerald only displaces a little over 8,000 tons. The merchant container ship was reportedly traveling at 12-15 knots as well. That's a lot of inertial force. Energy equals mass x velocity squared according to some famous genius. It was only due to the damage control training of the Navy sailors that kept the destroyer afloat. They fought the threat of sinking for over 16 hours. My daughter has a girlfriend who's son is serving on the USS Fitzgerald. We are all saddened by the loss of life but are hopeful he wasn't involved or hurt. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
Destroyer/Container ship collision
On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 08:20:45 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: . I would have thought a modern warship would be able to sustain a heavy hit like it took without being so seriously damaged. The days of the armor clad dreadnought are gone. Ships are light and fast. Like Richard says, this was a sports car getting hit by a semi. It is amazing it did not sustain more damage. There was still something strange going on here to have this kind of crash. The plot I saw showed some unusual maneuvers but it was unclear if that was before or after the accident. |
Destroyer/Container ship collision
On 6/18/2017 10:37 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 08:20:45 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: . I would have thought a modern warship would be able to sustain a heavy hit like it took without being so seriously damaged. The days of the armor clad dreadnought are gone. Ships are light and fast. Like Richard says, this was a sports car getting hit by a semi. It is amazing it did not sustain more damage. There was still something strange going on here to have this kind of crash. The plot I saw showed some unusual maneuvers but it was unclear if that was before or after the accident. I still think there was a junior officer who had the conn on the bridge and he/she screwed up. The Navy has already acknowledged "human error". --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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