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Felt badly for the car salesman today but it's a good thing I didn't
just go out and buy Mrs.E. a car and "surprise" her as she first suggested. I never would have picked what she liked. She tried the Nissan Armada, Pathfinder, a couple of comparable Toyota's that I can't remember the names of and spent time walking the lots looking for the "right" color. She finally settled on a Nissan Pathfinder. Good. It took almost 2 hours to get there. But then, as she was walking back into the showroom she spotted something else. "What's *that*? she asks the salesguy. It was a Nissan Quest. A big box with an engine and seats. Powered sliding doors on each side caught her attention plus the rear captain's seats and the third rear seat all fold down completely flat so it basically turns into a van. 280 hp V6 moves it along fine. So, that's that. It's sitting in the driveway. No hay allowed. |
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Oh boy...isn't the Quest a 'soccer mom's' mini-van?
The Toyota Sienna is top of the heap in that category. Anyway, it should be under bumper to bumper warranty for 3 years and drive train warranty for 5 years. |
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On 5/12/17 5:14 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Felt badly for the car salesman today but it's a good thing I didn't just go out and buy Mrs.E. a car and "surprise" her as she first suggested. I never would have picked what she liked. She tried the Nissan Armada, Pathfinder, a couple of comparable Toyota's that I can't remember the names of and spent time walking the lots looking for the "right" color. She finally settled on a Nissan Pathfinder. Good. It took almost 2 hours to get there. But then, as she was walking back into the showroom she spotted something else. "What's *that*? she asks the salesguy. It was a Nissan Quest. A big box with an engine and seats. Powered sliding doors on each side caught her attention plus the rear captain's seats and the third rear seat all fold down completely flat so it basically turns into a van. 280 hp V6 moves it along fine. So, that's that. It's sitting in the driveway. No hay allowed. Is it still being manufactured? I rode in one once...it's a sort of minivan... |
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Funny you say that. One Site said the Quest was manufactured from around 2008? Until 2016.
That seemed odd to me but maybe Mrs E got a good deal on a leftover 2016 model. I'm sure Richard knows the story. BTW..Toyota sent me a form letter today saying how special I am owning a 2013 Highlander and living in this geographic area. Due to high demand for my model they have a special promotions on to enable be to upgrade to a 2017 model. Aren't those car salesmen thoughtful. |
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On 5/12/2017 6:00 PM, True North wrote:
Oh boy...isn't the Quest a 'soccer mom's' mini-van? The Toyota Sienna is top of the heap in that category. Anyway, it should be under bumper to bumper warranty for 3 years and drive train warranty for 5 years. That's what she wanted. I don't know what the bumper to bumper warranty is (I'll have to check) but I know the drive train warranty is 7 years or 100k miles. The dealer also gave her 3 years of routine maintenance (oil changes, etc.) We've purchased many cars from him and he gave me a decent deal. It surprised me. You can lay all the rear seats down completely flat and a 4x8 sheet of plywood will fit in the back. Huge storage spaces in the floor as well. I really don't know much about the Quest. Actually, I didn't even know Nissan made such a thing. But after being married for 47 years you sorta learn not to argue. |
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On 5/12/2017 6:18 PM, True North wrote:
Funny you say that. One Site said the Quest was manufactured from around 2008? Until 2016. That seemed odd to me but maybe Mrs E got a good deal on a leftover 2016 model. I'm sure Richard knows the story. BTW..Toyota sent me a form letter today saying how special I am owning a 2013 Highlander and living in this geographic area. Due to high demand for my model they have a special promotions on to enable be to upgrade to a 2017 model. Aren't those car salesmen thoughtful. It is a 2016 model. Had 3K miles on it as a dealer "demo" but is warranted and titled as "new". Peppy little sucker though and quiet. All that matters is that "she" likes it. Don't know if they still make them or not. I got a similar letter about the Nissan Altima I bought just about a year ago. "Due to a shortage of clean, previously owned autos we can offer you 125% of the current market value of your 2016 Nissan Altima towards the purchase of any new Nissan product. Geeze. Gimme a chance to put a few miles on it first, will ya? |
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On Friday, May 12, 2017 at 7:45:39 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/12/2017 6:18 PM, True North wrote: Funny you say that. One Site said the Quest was manufactured from around 2008? Until 2016. That seemed odd to me but maybe Mrs E got a good deal on a leftover 2016 model. I'm sure Richard knows the story. BTW..Toyota sent me a form letter today saying how special I am owning a 2013 Highlander and living in this geographic area. Due to high demand for my model they have a special promotions on to enable be to upgrade to a 2017 model. Aren't those car salesmen thoughtful. It is a 2016 model. Had 3K miles on it as a dealer "demo" but is warranted and titled as "new". Peppy little sucker though and quiet. All that matters is that "she" likes it. Don't know if they still make them or not. I got a similar letter about the Nissan Altima I bought just about a year ago. "Due to a shortage of clean, previously owned autos we can offer you 125% of the current market value of your 2016 Nissan Altima towards the purchase of any new Nissan product. Geeze. Gimme a chance to put a few miles on it first, will ya? How much time you need Rich? 100 days? |
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On Fri, 12 May 2017 17:14:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
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On 5/12/17 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/12/2017 6:18 PM, True North wrote: Funny you say that. One Site said the Quest was manufactured from around 2008? Until 2016. That seemed odd to me but maybe Mrs E got a good deal on a leftover 2016 model. I'm sure Richard knows the story. BTW..Toyota sent me a form letter today saying how special I am owning a 2013 Highlander and living in this geographic area. Due to high demand for my model they have a special promotions on to enable be to upgrade to a 2017 model. Aren't those car salesmen thoughtful. It is a 2016 model. Had 3K miles on it as a dealer "demo" but is warranted and titled as "new". Peppy little sucker though and quiet. All that matters is that "she" likes it. Don't know if they still make them or not. I got a similar letter about the Nissan Altima I bought just about a year ago. "Due to a shortage of clean, previously owned autos we can offer you 125% of the current market value of your 2016 Nissan Altima towards the purchase of any new Nissan product. Geeze. Gimme a chance to put a few miles on it first, will ya? My wife got an email earlier this year from Toyota, offering her a fantastic trade-in on her 2016 Toyota Camry, which had a grand total of 7,100 miles on it (which the dealer knew). So we went over to the dealership and voila!...left with a spanking new 2017 Camry and a step up in model and trim, too. I still have no idea how this happened, but the cost to her to do this was almost nothing. |
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On 5/13/2017 7:48 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/12/17 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/12/2017 6:18 PM, True North wrote: Funny you say that. One Site said the Quest was manufactured from around 2008? Until 2016. That seemed odd to me but maybe Mrs E got a good deal on a leftover 2016 model. I'm sure Richard knows the story. BTW..Toyota sent me a form letter today saying how special I am owning a 2013 Highlander and living in this geographic area. Due to high demand for my model they have a special promotions on to enable be to upgrade to a 2017 model. Aren't those car salesmen thoughtful. It is a 2016 model. Had 3K miles on it as a dealer "demo" but is warranted and titled as "new". Peppy little sucker though and quiet. All that matters is that "she" likes it. Don't know if they still make them or not. I got a similar letter about the Nissan Altima I bought just about a year ago. "Due to a shortage of clean, previously owned autos we can offer you 125% of the current market value of your 2016 Nissan Altima towards the purchase of any new Nissan product. Geeze. Gimme a chance to put a few miles on it first, will ya? My wife got an email earlier this year from Toyota, offering her a fantastic trade-in on her 2016 Toyota Camry, which had a grand total of 7,100 miles on it (which the dealer knew). So we went over to the dealership and voila!...left with a spanking new 2017 Camry and a step up in model and trim, too. I still have no idea how this happened, but the cost to her to do this was almost nothing. Funny thing is that for me I've pretty much lost interest in cars in general. As long as it runs well and is comfortable to drive I really don't care what it is. The days of styling differences and even performance differences are long over. The styling of cars today is determined by wind tunnel testing to optimize gas mileage ratings. As a result, the Toyotas, Nissans, Fords, Chevys, Hondas, etc., all look the same from 20 feet away. No question the engines have improved enormously. My brain is still stuck in the 60's and 70's when a car approaching 100k miles was ready for the junkyard. Today, it's considered "low mileage". My younger son just replaced a Saturn (one that I had for a while) with another Saturn called a "Vue". The Saturn he replaced it with had 198K miles on it and still ran fine, other than a small oil leak. The doors and side panels of Saturns are plastic, so there is no rust whatsoever on it. |
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On 5/13/2017 6:48 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/12/17 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/12/2017 6:18 PM, True North wrote: Funny you say that. One Site said the Quest was manufactured from around 2008? Until 2016. That seemed odd to me but maybe Mrs E got a good deal on a leftover 2016 model. I'm sure Richard knows the story. BTW..Toyota sent me a form letter today saying how special I am owning a 2013 Highlander and living in this geographic area. Due to high demand for my model they have a special promotions on to enable be to upgrade to a 2017 model. Aren't those car salesmen thoughtful. It is a 2016 model. Had 3K miles on it as a dealer "demo" but is warranted and titled as "new". Peppy little sucker though and quiet. All that matters is that "she" likes it. Don't know if they still make them or not. I got a similar letter about the Nissan Altima I bought just about a year ago. "Due to a shortage of clean, previously owned autos we can offer you 125% of the current market value of your 2016 Nissan Altima towards the purchase of any new Nissan product. Geeze. Gimme a chance to put a few miles on it first, will ya? My wife got an email earlier this year from Toyota, offering her a fantastic trade-in on her 2016 Toyota Camry, which had a grand total of 7,100 miles on it (which the dealer knew). So we went over to the dealership and voila!...left with a spanking new 2017 Camry and a step up in model and trim, too. I still have no idea how this happened, but the cost to her to do this was almost nothing. Come on Keysor, have you done the math? Payment is the same? Did you pay anything to drive a way? Did you buy it on time? Did they add more time on to the payment program? Sheesh, I think you just wanted attention, Look at me I bought a new car too. And it didn't cost me anything. Those dealers sure are stupid. Look at me! Mikek --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 5/13/2017 8:09 AM, amdx wrote:
On 5/13/2017 6:48 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/12/17 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/12/2017 6:18 PM, True North wrote: Funny you say that. One Site said the Quest was manufactured from around 2008? Until 2016. That seemed odd to me but maybe Mrs E got a good deal on a leftover 2016 model. I'm sure Richard knows the story. BTW..Toyota sent me a form letter today saying how special I am owning a 2013 Highlander and living in this geographic area. Due to high demand for my model they have a special promotions on to enable be to upgrade to a 2017 model. Aren't those car salesmen thoughtful. It is a 2016 model. Had 3K miles on it as a dealer "demo" but is warranted and titled as "new". Peppy little sucker though and quiet. All that matters is that "she" likes it. Don't know if they still make them or not. I got a similar letter about the Nissan Altima I bought just about a year ago. "Due to a shortage of clean, previously owned autos we can offer you 125% of the current market value of your 2016 Nissan Altima towards the purchase of any new Nissan product. Geeze. Gimme a chance to put a few miles on it first, will ya? My wife got an email earlier this year from Toyota, offering her a fantastic trade-in on her 2016 Toyota Camry, which had a grand total of 7,100 miles on it (which the dealer knew). So we went over to the dealership and voila!...left with a spanking new 2017 Camry and a step up in model and trim, too. I still have no idea how this happened, but the cost to her to do this was almost nothing. Come on Keysor, have you done the math? Payment is the same? Did you pay anything to drive a way? Did you buy it on time? Did they add more time on to the payment program? Sheesh, I think you just wanted attention, Look at me I bought a new car too. And it didn't cost me anything. Those dealers sure are stupid. Look at me! Mikek I didn't think about it but I suspect you are right about these offers. I'll bet they only apply if you finance it through them. It just starts the interest cycle over again. I haven't financed a car purchase in about 25 years. They dealerships don't like cash buyers. I was told that only 8 percent of buyers pay cash for a new car. When I bought my truck in 2008 the salesman tried hard to convince me to finance it through Ford but I told him I wasn't interested. He then tried to get me to finance it, even if I just paid it off in a month or two. They must get some kind of kickback if the vehicle is financed through the financing arm of the manufacturer. |
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On 5/13/17 8:09 AM, amdx wrote:
On 5/13/2017 6:48 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/12/17 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/12/2017 6:18 PM, True North wrote: Funny you say that. One Site said the Quest was manufactured from around 2008? Until 2016. That seemed odd to me but maybe Mrs E got a good deal on a leftover 2016 model. I'm sure Richard knows the story. BTW..Toyota sent me a form letter today saying how special I am owning a 2013 Highlander and living in this geographic area. Due to high demand for my model they have a special promotions on to enable be to upgrade to a 2017 model. Aren't those car salesmen thoughtful. It is a 2016 model. Had 3K miles on it as a dealer "demo" but is warranted and titled as "new". Peppy little sucker though and quiet. All that matters is that "she" likes it. Don't know if they still make them or not. I got a similar letter about the Nissan Altima I bought just about a year ago. "Due to a shortage of clean, previously owned autos we can offer you 125% of the current market value of your 2016 Nissan Altima towards the purchase of any new Nissan product. Geeze. Gimme a chance to put a few miles on it first, will ya? My wife got an email earlier this year from Toyota, offering her a fantastic trade-in on her 2016 Toyota Camry, which had a grand total of 7,100 miles on it (which the dealer knew). So we went over to the dealership and voila!...left with a spanking new 2017 Camry and a step up in model and trim, too. I still have no idea how this happened, but the cost to her to do this was almost nothing. Come on Keysor, have you done the math? Payment is the same? Did you pay anything to drive a way? Did you buy it on time? Did they add more time on to the payment program? Sheesh, I think you just wanted attention, Look at me I bought a new car too. And it didn't cost me anything. Those dealers sure are stupid. Look at me! Mikek It's more than you can do to figure out how to buy health insurance. Call back when you figure that one out. |
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On 5/13/17 8:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/13/2017 8:09 AM, amdx wrote: On 5/13/2017 6:48 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/12/17 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/12/2017 6:18 PM, True North wrote: Funny you say that. One Site said the Quest was manufactured from around 2008? Until 2016. That seemed odd to me but maybe Mrs E got a good deal on a leftover 2016 model. I'm sure Richard knows the story. BTW..Toyota sent me a form letter today saying how special I am owning a 2013 Highlander and living in this geographic area. Due to high demand for my model they have a special promotions on to enable be to upgrade to a 2017 model. Aren't those car salesmen thoughtful. It is a 2016 model. Had 3K miles on it as a dealer "demo" but is warranted and titled as "new". Peppy little sucker though and quiet. All that matters is that "she" likes it. Don't know if they still make them or not. I got a similar letter about the Nissan Altima I bought just about a year ago. "Due to a shortage of clean, previously owned autos we can offer you 125% of the current market value of your 2016 Nissan Altima towards the purchase of any new Nissan product. Geeze. Gimme a chance to put a few miles on it first, will ya? My wife got an email earlier this year from Toyota, offering her a fantastic trade-in on her 2016 Toyota Camry, which had a grand total of 7,100 miles on it (which the dealer knew). So we went over to the dealership and voila!...left with a spanking new 2017 Camry and a step up in model and trim, too. I still have no idea how this happened, but the cost to her to do this was almost nothing. Come on Keysor, have you done the math? Payment is the same? Did you pay anything to drive a way? Did you buy it on time? Did they add more time on to the payment program? Sheesh, I think you just wanted attention, Look at me I bought a new car too. And it didn't cost me anything. Those dealers sure are stupid. Look at me! Mikek I didn't think about it but I suspect you are right about these offers. I'll bet they only apply if you finance it through them. It just starts the interest cycle over again. I haven't financed a car purchase in about 25 years. They dealerships don't like cash buyers. I was told that only 8 percent of buyers pay cash for a new car. When I bought my truck in 2008 the salesman tried hard to convince me to finance it through Ford but I told him I wasn't interested. He then tried to get me to finance it, even if I just paid it off in a month or two. They must get some kind of kickback if the vehicle is financed through the financing arm of the manufacturer. Toyota was offering zero percent financing. As in 0%. I'm not saying the dealership doesn't get a kickback from that. Anything is possible. |
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On Sat, 13 May 2017 08:03:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 5/13/2017 7:48 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/12/17 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/12/2017 6:18 PM, True North wrote: Funny you say that. One Site said the Quest was manufactured from around 2008? Until 2016. That seemed odd to me but maybe Mrs E got a good deal on a leftover 2016 model. I'm sure Richard knows the story. BTW..Toyota sent me a form letter today saying how special I am owning a 2013 Highlander and living in this geographic area. Due to high demand for my model they have a special promotions on to enable be to upgrade to a 2017 model. Aren't those car salesmen thoughtful. It is a 2016 model. Had 3K miles on it as a dealer "demo" but is warranted and titled as "new". Peppy little sucker though and quiet. All that matters is that "she" likes it. Don't know if they still make them or not. I got a similar letter about the Nissan Altima I bought just about a year ago. "Due to a shortage of clean, previously owned autos we can offer you 125% of the current market value of your 2016 Nissan Altima towards the purchase of any new Nissan product. Geeze. Gimme a chance to put a few miles on it first, will ya? My wife got an email earlier this year from Toyota, offering her a fantastic trade-in on her 2016 Toyota Camry, which had a grand total of 7,100 miles on it (which the dealer knew). So we went over to the dealership and voila!...left with a spanking new 2017 Camry and a step up in model and trim, too. I still have no idea how this happened, but the cost to her to do this was almost nothing. Funny thing is that for me I've pretty much lost interest in cars in general. As long as it runs well and is comfortable to drive I really don't care what it is. The days of styling differences and even performance differences are long over. The styling of cars today is determined by wind tunnel testing to optimize gas mileage ratings. As a result, the Toyotas, Nissans, Fords, Chevys, Hondas, etc., all look the same from 20 feet away. No question the engines have improved enormously. My brain is still stuck in the 60's and 70's when a car approaching 100k miles was ready for the junkyard. Today, it's considered "low mileage". My younger son just replaced a Saturn (one that I had for a while) with another Saturn called a "Vue". The Saturn he replaced it with had 198K miles on it and still ran fine, other than a small oil leak. The doors and side panels of Saturns are plastic, so there is no rust whatsoever on it. === We once rented a Saturn Vue for a month and I thought it was a great little car. It had the fit, finish and feel of a good Japanese car. I really don't understand why GM dropped it other than their usual wrong headed decision making. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On Sat, 13 May 2017 08:45:02 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 5/13/17 8:09 AM, amdx wrote: On 5/13/2017 6:48 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/12/17 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/12/2017 6:18 PM, True North wrote: Funny you say that. One Site said the Quest was manufactured from around 2008? Until 2016. That seemed odd to me but maybe Mrs E got a good deal on a leftover 2016 model. I'm sure Richard knows the story. BTW..Toyota sent me a form letter today saying how special I am owning a 2013 Highlander and living in this geographic area. Due to high demand for my model they have a special promotions on to enable be to upgrade to a 2017 model. Aren't those car salesmen thoughtful. It is a 2016 model. Had 3K miles on it as a dealer "demo" but is warranted and titled as "new". Peppy little sucker though and quiet. All that matters is that "she" likes it. Don't know if they still make them or not. I got a similar letter about the Nissan Altima I bought just about a year ago. "Due to a shortage of clean, previously owned autos we can offer you 125% of the current market value of your 2016 Nissan Altima towards the purchase of any new Nissan product. Geeze. Gimme a chance to put a few miles on it first, will ya? My wife got an email earlier this year from Toyota, offering her a fantastic trade-in on her 2016 Toyota Camry, which had a grand total of 7,100 miles on it (which the dealer knew). So we went over to the dealership and voila!...left with a spanking new 2017 Camry and a step up in model and trim, too. I still have no idea how this happened, but the cost to her to do this was almost nothing. Come on Keysor, have you done the math? Payment is the same? Did you pay anything to drive a way? Did you buy it on time? Did they add more time on to the payment program? Sheesh, I think you just wanted attention, Look at me I bought a new car too. And it didn't cost me anything. Those dealers sure are stupid. Look at me! Mikek It's more than you can do to figure out how to buy health insurance. Call back when you figure that one out. === Yet another off topic ad hominen attack. Mike's assertion was right on the money. Somewhere in that deal you are paying more or paying longer. Otherwise there's nothing in it for the dealer and that never happens. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 8:03:55 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/13/2017 7:48 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/12/17 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/12/2017 6:18 PM, True North wrote: Funny you say that. One Site said the Quest was manufactured from around 2008? Until 2016. That seemed odd to me but maybe Mrs E got a good deal on a leftover 2016 model. I'm sure Richard knows the story. BTW..Toyota sent me a form letter today saying how special I am owning a 2013 Highlander and living in this geographic area. Due to high demand for my model they have a special promotions on to enable be to upgrade to a 2017 model. Aren't those car salesmen thoughtful. It is a 2016 model. Had 3K miles on it as a dealer "demo" but is warranted and titled as "new". Peppy little sucker though and quiet. All that matters is that "she" likes it. Don't know if they still make them or not. I got a similar letter about the Nissan Altima I bought just about a year ago. "Due to a shortage of clean, previously owned autos we can offer you 125% of the current market value of your 2016 Nissan Altima towards the purchase of any new Nissan product. Geeze. Gimme a chance to put a few miles on it first, will ya? My wife got an email earlier this year from Toyota, offering her a fantastic trade-in on her 2016 Toyota Camry, which had a grand total of 7,100 miles on it (which the dealer knew). So we went over to the dealership and voila!...left with a spanking new 2017 Camry and a step up in model and trim, too. I still have no idea how this happened, but the cost to her to do this was almost nothing. Funny thing is that for me I've pretty much lost interest in cars in general. As long as it runs well and is comfortable to drive I really don't care what it is. The days of styling differences and even performance differences are long over. The styling of cars today is determined by wind tunnel testing to optimize gas mileage ratings. As a result, the Toyotas, Nissans, Fords, Chevys, Hondas, etc., all look the same from 20 feet away. No question the engines have improved enormously. My brain is still stuck in the 60's and 70's when a car approaching 100k miles was ready for the junkyard. Today, it's considered "low mileage". My younger son just replaced a Saturn (one that I had for a while) with another Saturn called a "Vue". The Saturn he replaced it with had 198K miles on it and still ran fine, other than a small oil leak. The doors and side panels of Saturns are plastic, so there is no rust whatsoever on it. I haven't gotten to that point yet. I still enjoy the performance, handling and features of a nice car. I suppose I'll be dialing that back some when I retire. I have to admit that when I drive my old yard truck it's nice to not worry about getting door dings. |
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8:22 AMIts Me
- show quoted text - I haven't gotten to that point yet. I still enjoy the performance, handling and features of a nice car. I suppose I'll be dialing that back some when I retire. I have to admit that when I drive my old yard truck it's nice to not worry about getting door dings. .... Speaking of 0% financing, I found in a local Facebook trader page, a really nice 1994 mercury Grand Markus with 95,000 miles and new tires all around. $1200.00. Cash I'm now driving a 1994 mercury grand Markus. |
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On Sat, 13 May 2017 06:29:38 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: 8:22 AMIts Me - show quoted text - I haven't gotten to that point yet. I still enjoy the performance, handling and features of a nice car. I suppose I'll be dialing that back some when I retire. I have to admit that when I drive my old yard truck it's nice to not worry about getting door dings. ... Speaking of 0% financing, I found in a local Facebook trader page, a really nice 1994 mercury Grand Markus with 95,000 miles and new tires all around. $1200.00. Cash I'm now driving a 1994 mercury grand Markus. === Those things last forever with a little TLC. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On 5/13/2017 8:47 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/13/17 8:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/13/2017 8:09 AM, amdx wrote: On 5/13/2017 6:48 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 5/12/17 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/12/2017 6:18 PM, True North wrote: Funny you say that. One Site said the Quest was manufactured from around 2008? Until 2016. That seemed odd to me but maybe Mrs E got a good deal on a leftover 2016 model. I'm sure Richard knows the story. BTW..Toyota sent me a form letter today saying how special I am owning a 2013 Highlander and living in this geographic area. Due to high demand for my model they have a special promotions on to enable be to upgrade to a 2017 model. Aren't those car salesmen thoughtful. It is a 2016 model. Had 3K miles on it as a dealer "demo" but is warranted and titled as "new". Peppy little sucker though and quiet. All that matters is that "she" likes it. Don't know if they still make them or not. I got a similar letter about the Nissan Altima I bought just about a year ago. "Due to a shortage of clean, previously owned autos we can offer you 125% of the current market value of your 2016 Nissan Altima towards the purchase of any new Nissan product. Geeze. Gimme a chance to put a few miles on it first, will ya? My wife got an email earlier this year from Toyota, offering her a fantastic trade-in on her 2016 Toyota Camry, which had a grand total of 7,100 miles on it (which the dealer knew). So we went over to the dealership and voila!...left with a spanking new 2017 Camry and a step up in model and trim, too. I still have no idea how this happened, but the cost to her to do this was almost nothing. Come on Keysor, have you done the math? Payment is the same? Did you pay anything to drive a way? Did you buy it on time? Did they add more time on to the payment program? Sheesh, I think you just wanted attention, Look at me I bought a new car too. And it didn't cost me anything. Those dealers sure are stupid. Look at me! Mikek I didn't think about it but I suspect you are right about these offers. I'll bet they only apply if you finance it through them. It just starts the interest cycle over again. I haven't financed a car purchase in about 25 years. They dealerships don't like cash buyers. I was told that only 8 percent of buyers pay cash for a new car. When I bought my truck in 2008 the salesman tried hard to convince me to finance it through Ford but I told him I wasn't interested. He then tried to get me to finance it, even if I just paid it off in a month or two. They must get some kind of kickback if the vehicle is financed through the financing arm of the manufacturer. Toyota was offering zero percent financing. As in 0%. I'm not saying the dealership doesn't get a kickback from that. Anything is possible. One way or another they are making money. It's either buried in the cost of the vehicle or some other voodoo economics but finance companies, even if an arm of the manufacturer, don't do stuff for free. |
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8:56 On Sat, 13 May 2017 06:29:38 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: - show quoted text - === Those things last forever with a little TLC. - show quoted text - .... Oh yes, Wayne. 236,000 out of my 1995 Lincoln town car till gobs of wired stuff went bad. I like the idea of sitting on a living room couch gliding smoothly down the road like sliding on oil. 25mpg highway isn't bad either... https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/m..._oem_1_500.jpg |
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On Sat, 13 May 2017 08:22:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: I didn't think about it but I suspect you are right about these offers. I'll bet they only apply if you finance it through them. It just starts the interest cycle over again. I haven't financed a car purchase in about 25 years. They dealerships don't like cash buyers. I was told that only 8 percent of buyers pay cash for a new car. When I bought my truck in 2008 the salesman tried hard to convince me to finance it through Ford but I told him I wasn't interested. He then tried to get me to finance it, even if I just paid it off in a month or two. They must get some kind of kickback if the vehicle is financed through the financing arm of the manufacturer. These deals are deals because people finance and don't look at the end date. "My payments are almost the same". They don't mention that it is the same for 5 more years. I suppose it is fine if you are consigned to dying with a car payment due. Like you, I have not really financed a car for decades but I did take the finance deal with Ford on my wife's Lincoln. You are right, I got the guy to admit I only had to keep the note for 90 days (by then they have sold the paper). I also had to finance a minimum of ~$10,000 to get a $1000 kick back so that is exactly what I did. I ended up making about $600 after all of the finance charges and that was only about 4 months. It was still worth doing. I wonder how many people read the "Z" form to see what the actual cost of a financed car is. BTW that "zero percent" money comes at a cost too. They will usually knock off 2 grand if you don't take "zero percent" money and there is another kickback for using their financing but you have to waive the cash at them before they offer it up. I usually spring the cash on them at the last minute and see how badly they want to sell the car. |
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On Sat, 13 May 2017 06:22:35 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote: I haven't gotten to that point yet. I still enjoy the performance, handling and features of a nice car. I suppose I'll be dialing that back some when I retire. I have to admit that when I drive my old yard truck it's nice to not worry about getting door dings. I figured out a car is just a piece of metal ~45 years ago and I have not bought myself a new one since my 71 Jeep. I can make a new car "old" pretty fast anyway. I keep them until they start costing me a lot of money. Nobody wants a car I get rid of. |
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On Sat, 13 May 2017 08:00:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: 8:56 On Sat, 13 May 2017 06:29:38 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: - show quoted text - === Those things last forever with a little TLC. - show quoted text - ... Oh yes, Wayne. 236,000 out of my 1995 Lincoln town car till gobs of wired stuff went bad. I like the idea of sitting on a living room couch gliding smoothly down the road like sliding on oil. 25mpg highway isn't bad either... https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/m..._oem_1_500.jpg === You'd have to buy a Rolls Royce or Bentley to get comparable roominess or comfort. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 11:16:55 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 13 May 2017 06:22:35 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: I haven't gotten to that point yet. I still enjoy the performance, handling and features of a nice car. I suppose I'll be dialing that back some when I retire. I have to admit that when I drive my old yard truck it's nice to not worry about getting door dings. I figured out a car is just a piece of metal ~45 years ago and I have not bought myself a new one since my 71 Jeep. I can make a new car "old" pretty fast anyway. I keep them until they start costing me a lot of money. Nobody wants a car I get rid of. I agree on the new car thing. I haven't bought new since a 1998 Explorer I had. The Audi was a CPO car with 10k miles on it. I got it for the depreciated price and since it was CPO a 5 year, 100k warranty. |
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On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 11:00:02 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
8:56 On Sat, 13 May 2017 06:29:38 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: - show quoted text - === Those things last forever with a little TLC. - show quoted text - ... Oh yes, Wayne. 236,000 out of my 1995 Lincoln town car till gobs of wired stuff went bad. I like the idea of sitting on a living room couch gliding smoothly down the road like sliding on oil. 25mpg highway isn't bad either... https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/m..._oem_1_500.jpg There's a reason that same platform was used for years as police cars and taxis. |
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On Sat, 13 May 2017 11:21:07 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
Now you have. Harry always makes unbelievable deals. Emphasize unbelievable. === Apparently it feeds his fantasy of being a great businessman or what ever. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On Sat, 13 May 2017 11:10:08 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 13 May 2017 08:22:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I didn't think about it but I suspect you are right about these offers. I'll bet they only apply if you finance it through them. It just starts the interest cycle over again. I haven't financed a car purchase in about 25 years. They dealerships don't like cash buyers. I was told that only 8 percent of buyers pay cash for a new car. When I bought my truck in 2008 the salesman tried hard to convince me to finance it through Ford but I told him I wasn't interested. He then tried to get me to finance it, even if I just paid it off in a month or two. They must get some kind of kickback if the vehicle is financed through the financing arm of the manufacturer. These deals are deals because people finance and don't look at the end date. "My payments are almost the same". They don't mention that it is the same for 5 more years. I suppose it is fine if you are consigned to dying with a car payment due. Like you, I have not really financed a car for decades but I did take the finance deal with Ford on my wife's Lincoln. You are right, I got the guy to admit I only had to keep the note for 90 days (by then they have sold the paper). I also had to finance a minimum of ~$10,000 to get a $1000 kick back so that is exactly what I did. I ended up making about $600 after all of the finance charges and that was only about 4 months. It was still worth doing. I wonder how many people read the "Z" form to see what the actual cost of a financed car is. BTW that "zero percent" money comes at a cost too. They will usually knock off 2 grand if you don't take "zero percent" money and there is another kickback for using their financing but you have to waive the cash at them before they offer it up. I usually spring the cash on them at the last minute and see how badly they want to sell the car. === And after making your best deal possible you still have too make it by the "closer" who is selling the extended warranty, undercoating, pin stripes, mud flaps, vinyl roof, etc. I once made a pretty good deal on a new Camry only to have my wife get sucked into the pin stripe deal for something like $200. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On Sat, 13 May 2017 11:10:08 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2017 08:22:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I didn't think about it but I suspect you are right about these offers. I'll bet they only apply if you finance it through them. Â*It just starts the interest cycle over again. I haven't financed a car purchase in about 25 years. They dealerships don't like cash buyers. I was told that only 8 percent of buyers pay cash for a new car. When I bought my truck in 2008 the salesman tried hard to convince me to finance it through Ford but I told him I wasn't interested. Â*He then tried to get me to finance it, even if I just paid it off in a month or two. Â*They must get some kind of kickback if the vehicle is financed through the financing arm of the manufacturer. These deals are deals because people finance and don't look at the end date. "My payments are almost the same". They don't mention that it is the same for 5 more years. I suppose it is fine if you are consigned to dying with a car payment due. Like you, I have not really financed a car for decades but I did take the finance deal with Ford on my wife's Lincoln. You are right, I got the guy to admit I only had to keep the note for 90 days (by then they have sold the paper). I also had to finance a minimum of ~$10,000 to get a $1000 kick back so that is exactly what I did. I ended up making about $600 after all of the finance charges and that was only about 4 months. It was still worth doing. I wonder how many people read the "Z" form to see what the actual cost of a financed car is. BTW that "zero percent" money comes at a cost too. They will usually knock off 2 grand if you don't take "zero percent" money and there is another kickback for using their financing but you have to waive the cash at them before they offer it up. I usually spring the cash on them at the last minute and see how badly they want to sell the car. === "And after making your best deal possible you still have too make it by the "closer" who is selling the extended warranty, undercoating, pin stripes, mud flaps, vinyl roof, etc. Â*I once made a pretty good deal on a new Camry only to have my wife get sucked into the pin stripe deal for something like $200." Two biggest scams up here are administration fees and etching the window glass with an ID number. |
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On Sat, 13 May 2017 11:43:49 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: We got a $16,000 trade in, got $750 rebate back on the multi-year additional warranty wife bought with the 2016 but didn't buy with the 2017, got $2500 in "incentives" from Toyota and another $1000 for paying cash and not taking the 0% financing that was offered through the dealership. That made the value of the trade about $20,000. The 2017 on sale was $22,800 and change. So, in effect, the use of the 2016 for a full year (wife doesn't drive that much except to Florida and back twice a year), was under $3,000. Almost nothing considering she got a brand new car she likes. === Somewhere in those calculations you are forgetting about the sales taxes that you paid on both the old and new car, and you gave up an extended warranty that you paid for but never used. You also paid $3000 for a year of very light usage. That's no bargain in my opinion. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 5/13/17 11:10 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2017 08:22:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I didn't think about it but I suspect you are right about these offers. I'll bet they only apply if you finance it through them. It just starts the interest cycle over again. I haven't financed a car purchase in about 25 years. They dealerships don't like cash buyers. I was told that only 8 percent of buyers pay cash for a new car. When I bought my truck in 2008 the salesman tried hard to convince me to finance it through Ford but I told him I wasn't interested. He then tried to get me to finance it, even if I just paid it off in a month or two. They must get some kind of kickback if the vehicle is financed through the financing arm of the manufacturer. These deals are deals because people finance and don't look at the end date. "My payments are almost the same". They don't mention that it is the same for 5 more years. I suppose it is fine if you are consigned to dying with a car payment due. Like you, I have not really financed a car for decades but I did take the finance deal with Ford on my wife's Lincoln. You are right, I got the guy to admit I only had to keep the note for 90 days (by then they have sold the paper). I also had to finance a minimum of ~$10,000 to get a $1000 kick back so that is exactly what I did. I ended up making about $600 after all of the finance charges and that was only about 4 months. It was still worth doing. I wonder how many people read the "Z" form to see what the actual cost of a financed car is. BTW that "zero percent" money comes at a cost too. They will usually knock off 2 grand if you don't take "zero percent" money and there is another kickback for using their financing but you have to waive the cash at them before they offer it up. I usually spring the cash on them at the last minute and see how badly they want to sell the car. We got a $16,000 trade in, got $750 rebate back on the multi-year additional warranty wife bought with the 2016 but didn't buy with the 2017, got $2500 in "incentives" from Toyota and another $1000 for paying cash and not taking the 0% financing that was offered through the dealership. That made the value of the trade about $20,000. The 2017 on sale was $22,800 and change. So, in effect, the use of the 2016 for a full year (wife doesn't drive that much except to Florida and back twice a year), was under $3,000. Almost nothing considering she got a brand new car she likes. Hope you at least got power windows with the base model Camry. The trade in was the base model. It had power windows. The 2017 model is an upgrade. It has power windows, too, and more. -- Posted with my iPhone 7+. |
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Keyser Söze
justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 5/13/17 11:10 AM, wrote: - show quoted text - We got a $16,000 trade in, got $750 rebate back on the multi-year additional warranty wife bought with the 2016 but didn't buy with the 2017, got $2500 in "incentives" from Toyota and another $1000 for paying cash and not taking the 0% financing that was offered through the dealership. That made the value of the trade about $20,000. The 2017 on sale was $22,800 and change. So, in effect, the use of the 2016 for a full year (wife doesn't drive that much except to Florida and back twice a year), was under $3,000. Almost nothing considering she got a brand new car she likes. Hope you at least got power windows with the base model Camry. "The trade in was the base model. It had power windows. The 2017 model is an upgrade. It has power windows, too, and more." SNERK! Wonder when was the last time Justine's significant other bought her a new car? I don't know if you can even get manual roll up windows here. |
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True North wrote:
Keyser Söze justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 5/13/17 11:10 AM, wrote: - show quoted text - We got a $16,000 trade in, got $750 rebate back on the multi-year additional warranty wife bought with the 2016 but didn't buy with the 2017, got $2500 in "incentives" from Toyota and another $1000 for paying cash and not taking the 0% financing that was offered through the dealership. That made the value of the trade about $20,000. The 2017 on sale was $22,800 and change. So, in effect, the use of the 2016 for a full year (wife doesn't drive that much except to Florida and back twice a year), was under $3,000. Almost nothing considering she got a brand new car she likes. Hope you at least got power windows with the base model Camry. "The trade in was the base model. It had power windows. The 2017 model is an upgrade. It has power windows, too, and more." SNERK! Wonder when was the last time Justine's significant other bought her a new car? I don't know if you can even get manual roll up windows here. Likewise on roll-up windows...haven't seen a new car with them in years. Wife makes a good income, buys her own cars. Probably makes more than FlaJim ever made. I am sure that annoys him. -- Posted with my iPhone 7+. |
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On Sat, 13 May 2017 08:00:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: 8:56 On Sat, 13 May 2017 06:29:38 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: - show quoted text - === Those things last forever with a little TLC. - show quoted text - ... Oh yes, Wayne. 236,000 out of my 1995 Lincoln town car till gobs of wired stuff went bad. I like the idea of sitting on a living room couch gliding smoothly down the road like sliding on oil. 25mpg highway isn't bad either... https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/m..._oem_1_500.jpg 10 million cops and cab driver can't be wrong ;-) That is just a Crown Vic with a trim package. It is probably the last of the big cars. |
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On Sat, 13 May 2017 11:33:29 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: "...but the cost to her to do this was almost nothing." D'uh. I bet the dealer doesn't think so or he would not have done it. I assume you are just saying the monthly payments are just a little higher. They love that thinking. |
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On Sat, 13 May 2017 11:34:37 -0400,
wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2017 11:10:08 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2017 08:22:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I didn't think about it but I suspect you are right about these offers. I'll bet they only apply if you finance it through them. It just starts the interest cycle over again. I haven't financed a car purchase in about 25 years. They dealerships don't like cash buyers. I was told that only 8 percent of buyers pay cash for a new car. When I bought my truck in 2008 the salesman tried hard to convince me to finance it through Ford but I told him I wasn't interested. He then tried to get me to finance it, even if I just paid it off in a month or two. They must get some kind of kickback if the vehicle is financed through the financing arm of the manufacturer. These deals are deals because people finance and don't look at the end date. "My payments are almost the same". They don't mention that it is the same for 5 more years. I suppose it is fine if you are consigned to dying with a car payment due. Like you, I have not really financed a car for decades but I did take the finance deal with Ford on my wife's Lincoln. You are right, I got the guy to admit I only had to keep the note for 90 days (by then they have sold the paper). I also had to finance a minimum of ~$10,000 to get a $1000 kick back so that is exactly what I did. I ended up making about $600 after all of the finance charges and that was only about 4 months. It was still worth doing. I wonder how many people read the "Z" form to see what the actual cost of a financed car is. BTW that "zero percent" money comes at a cost too. They will usually knock off 2 grand if you don't take "zero percent" money and there is another kickback for using their financing but you have to waive the cash at them before they offer it up. I usually spring the cash on them at the last minute and see how badly they want to sell the car. === And after making your best deal possible you still have too make it by the "closer" who is selling the extended warranty, undercoating, pin stripes, mud flaps, vinyl roof, etc. I once made a pretty good deal on a new Camry only to have my wife get sucked into the pin stripe deal for something like $200. I don't think I have ever bought a "dealer add on". I do understand they are just a cash cow for the dealer. One of my mother's best friends at the IBT was the sales manager at Ourisman Chevy in Maryland and it was fun listening to him explaining the car biz after a few adult beverages. We did get the "Teamster discount" on our cars and it was the best deal in town. I paid about $4k for my 69 Corvette when they were selling all over town at sticker with people on a waiting list. |
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wrote:
On Sat, 13 May 2017 11:33:29 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: "...but the cost to her to do this was almost nothing." D'uh. I bet the dealer doesn't think so or he would not have done it. I assume you are just saying the monthly payments are just a little higher. They love that thinking. Nope -- Posted with my iPhone 7+. |
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