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On 4/16/2017 12:50 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 19:29:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



We could be a lot closer to winning, if it could be called that, if we had
functional rules of engagement.

Winning is not included in the game plan. We don't even have a plan of
what a win looks like, same as Vietnam.



The goal in Vietnam wasn't to "win". Same in Korea. Trump, to his
credit, has more of a winning attitude as it applies towards terrorists
and it appears he his allowing his military commanders to do what they
need to do without trying to personally micromanage them.

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On 4/16/17 8:27 AM, justan wrote:
Poco Deplorevole Wrote in message:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 14:55:11 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/15/17 2:42 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 08:21:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/15/17 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/15/2017 1:20 AM, wrote:
The Snooze Press (Ft Myers paper) had an interesting article about
this bomb. It was developed at Eglin AFB in the pan handle and they
were talking to a guy there.
It turns out this is the most expensive barrel bomb I have ever heard
of. These are 16 million a pop. I am not quite sure why you need
precision guidance on a bomb with a 1 mile blast radius but it has it.
I am still not sure why it is so expensive but it is a DoD project.
The guy was saying he really expected these things to be "demilled"
(scrapped) probably because they were approaching their expiration
date. I suppose it was "use it or lose it" for the air force.
I am still not sure how effective it actually was but since it is
really a "shock and awe" weapon, I suppose we shocked someone using
it.
In typical fashion, the russians just packed a bigger tank with
explosive and have a bigger one but I am not sure if it is guided and
I know it was a lot cheaper.



If you believe the Pentagon, it was the perfect weapon for the intended
purpose. Apparently several attempts by Afghan forces (with American
special force advisers) had been made with boots on the ground to clear
the caves and tunnels of ISIS without success. They just ran through
the tunnels into Pakistan. The MOAB took care of that problem.




I read where the bomb killed a couple of dozen people. Big ****ing Deal.
At some point, we'll just pull out of Afghanistan and stop wasting
American lives and American money. Your not-so-almighty military isn't
going to solve it.

Thanks, Krause, I'd predicted the liberals would whine about the cost. Took you a couple days, but
you didn't let me down.



Indeed, Afghanistan isn't worth the price of another American soldier's
life...unless, of course, it would be your life.
As for the dollars we are wasting there, there is better use for them at
home, rebuilding this crumbling country.

It's so funny. You weren't spouting your crap a few years back.


Thats because president towel head was surrendering to every
little african and middle eastern country he could. He was
emptying our treasury as fast as he could. He was building an
army of homeless and medicaid dependant. He was trashing the
constitution. He and his extended family and friends were taking
exotic vacations around the world. Life was good for president
towel head and Harry cheered him on only because he was
black.



I'm no longer astonished by how utterly stupid you have to be to be a
Republican supporter of Donald Trump.

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On 4/16/17 8:37 AM, justan wrote:
Wrote in message:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 14:44:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/15/2017 2:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:51:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Come on Greg. A WWII vintage 5-inch shell or ammo for a .45 isn't the
same as a $15M bomb (not counting development costs) that undergoes
regular updating for improvements. We only built 15 of them. They
aren't "throwaways". Geeze.

Since when has DoD cared about the cost of things they throw away?
If it really has TNT in it, it certainly has a ticking clock. (I still
bet it is a mix of RDX and ammonium nitrate)


I don't know and you don't know. You are "betting".

I am sure a few minutes poking around and you could find a more
knowledgable article than Time magazine and they would tell you the
explosive. These are still just blunt force weapons and there is no
reason to keep the filler secret.

There are strict rules about classes of ordinance and what is service
ready, training or trash, based on the age. They know nothing lasts
forever. There are certainly expiration dates on ordinance.
The guidance package may actually expire before the bomb, just because
of capacitor degradation. My 20 year old PCs are becoming few and far
between because of that fact alone. I do not have a single socket 7
board that still works.


Heh. You're comparing your 20 year old PC with a mil-spec guidance
system that is subject to regular upgrades?

Maybe you have forgotten some of your USCG days Greg. The military
doesn't just store away equipment in a storage shed for 20 years in
case they may need it someday. Each branch of the services has a
"Planned Maintenance Program" for virtually *everything* they use or
have in inventory. Regular tests are done, some weekly, some monthly,
some annually depending on what the equipment is and there are specific
requirements the equipment must meet. If they don't they are repaired,
if the repair is not economically feasible there is a complex procedure
for retiring it and taking it off the books.

The Planned Maintenance Program also deals with scheduled upgrades and
improvements as they become available.

In the case of the actual ordinance, the "plan" is you throw the old
stuff away. Ammo, explosives and the fuzes degrade chemically and
there is no "fixing" that.
A agree the guidance package might get "fixed" but that fix is
probably throw away all of the cards and install new ones.
The world of electronics has changed a lot since we were soldering
parts in on the ship. If they still fixed things, I might still be at
IBM. ;-)


Thats a dumb plan. Throwing away potentially good explosive
devices. The old stuff still can be dropped and cause blunt force
trauma even if the explosive
fails. Waste not want
not.



That must be why you work so hard here to remain in an undisclosed
location in the witless protection plan.

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I'm no longer astonished by how utterly stupid you have to be to be a
Republican supporter of Donald Trump.
.....


And who was it you were wanting me to vote for?
Looks like you were a Democrat supporter of Donald Trump, Harry.

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Tim wrote:
I'm no longer astonished by how utterly stupid you have to be to be a
Republican supporter of Donald Trump.
....


And who was it you were wanting me to vote for?
Looks like you were a Democrat supporter of Donald Trump, Harry.


Another moron heard from.

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.

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7:48 AMKeyser Söze
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Tim wrote:
I'm no longer astonished by how utterly stupid you have to be to be a
Republican supporter of Donald Trump.
....


And who was it you were wanting me to vote for?
Looks like you were a Democrat supporter of Donald Trump, Harry.


Another moron heard from.

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.
......

So I'm a moron for speaking the truth.
Hmmm...

Really Harry. You did more to support trump than you'll ever realize.

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On 4/16/2017 7:29 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 00:48:27 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 14:57:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/15/2017 2:24 PM, wrote:

Huh? there is nothing about the size of a conventional explosive in
the Hague conventions.
I am also not sure where the Assad connection is other than any bomb
is fairly indiscriminate and a bomb with a 1 mile blast radius more so
that others.
Why is "guided" so important with a bomb like that which is dropped
from low altitude and makes such a big hole? Guided is important with
little bombs. Big bombs, not so much. It is like when Tibbets was so
concerned with hitting one particular bridge when the whole city was
going to be in the fire ball.



Much more recent than the Hague conventions Greg and much more complex.
Barrel bombs were addressed in the UN as recently as 2014, directly as a
result of the Syrian Civil War. In order to lawfully used, they must
have a direct military objective with ... and this is important ...
"proportional" potential of civilian death or injury. What is
proportional really isn't spelled out but the risk of collateral damage
using a barrel bomb is significantly higher than that of a precision
guided bomb. Use of a barrel bomb on civilian populated areas, even if
there are military objectives is banned and against international law.

There is more to using precision guided ordnance than just hitting the
target. Precision guided ordnance also reduces the risk of collateral
damage.

You really drank the Kool Ade on that one. This is a bomb with a one
mile blast radius and dropped from low altitude, even a gravity bomb
can reliably land on a football field.



If you're looking for maximum damage on a given cave or set of caves, you want the impact *on* that
cave or set, not a quarter mile away. Do you not think the force of an explosion is reduced as the
distance from the impact increases?

Exponentially.

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On 4/16/17 8:51 AM, Tim wrote:
So I'm a moron for speaking the truth.

So, you are a moron for missing the point...again and again and again
and again, ad infinitum.

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On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 8:10:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/16/17 8:51 AM, Tim wrote:
So I'm a moron for speaking the truth.

So, you are a moron for missing the point...again and again and again
and again, ad infinitum.

What point are you trying to make? That you couldn't explain why one should vote for Mrs. Mao, and now you're sore because Mrs. Mao didn't make it to the White House?

That point is obvious.

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On 4/16/2017 9:10 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/16/17 8:51 AM, Tim wrote:
So I'm a moron for speaking the truth.

So, you are a moron for missing the point...again and again and again
and again, ad infinitum.


I don't know what "point" you are referring to but generally a point
must be valid in order to miss it.