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On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 05:48:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/29/2017 9:04 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 19:34:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: You can get back in forth to work in a Tesla too but you don't really need all of that power. I guess if you want the biggest and baddest machine on the block, go for it. You can afford it. ;-) Lesson I learned a long time ago from a old timer mechanical engineer (P.E.) "When in doubt, make it stout". Unfortunately, in the computer biz, stout is not the same as fast. I had to give up my PC based MP3 players because once you got much beyond a P1 166, reliability in the Florida car environment because you couldn't keep them cool. The same was true of hard drives. Once you got much over 10-15gig, they started getting more heat sensitive. My interest in laptops used to be as cheap (to run) servers since they used to run at "night light" levels of power. This last one I got came with a 90w power brick. You need to put a towel in your lap if you actually use it as a laptop or you will roast your nuts. The Dell Latitude (P3/400 W/98 machine) I am running back in the shop is always cool to the touch. The specs say it pulls a max of 36w but it seems to cruise in the 10-15w just talking to the printer, scanner or banging an external hard drive. Greg, not many people use or are as interested in computers as you are. I really am not interested in seeing how long I could use Windows 98. When your objective does not change, why should your hardware and software change? Most home users are doing very simple tasks on their PC and yet we have convinced them they need a machine that is as fast as the ones used by animators at Pixar. I guess it is just me but my 97 Honda gets me up to the Publix just as well as a brand new Bugatti would. I do not measure my self worth by things I have acquired. |
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 06:30:59 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/30/17 5:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2017 9:04 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 19:34:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: You can get back in forth to work in a Tesla too but you don't really need all of that power. I guess if you want the biggest and baddest machine on the block, go for it. You can afford it. ;-) Lesson I learned a long time ago from a old timer mechanical engineer (P.E.) "When in doubt, make it stout". Unfortunately, in the computer biz, stout is not the same as fast. I had to give up my PC based MP3 players because once you got much beyond a P1 166, reliability in the Florida car environment because you couldn't keep them cool. The same was true of hard drives. Once you got much over 10-15gig, they started getting more heat sensitive. My interest in laptops used to be as cheap (to run) servers since they used to run at "night light" levels of power. This last one I got came with a 90w power brick. You need to put a towel in your lap if you actually use it as a laptop or you will roast your nuts. The Dell Latitude (P3/400 W/98 machine) I am running back in the shop is always cool to the touch. The specs say it pulls a max of 36w but it seems to cruise in the 10-15w just talking to the printer, scanner or banging an external hard drive. Greg, not many people use or are as interested in computers as you are. I really am not interested in seeing how long I could use Windows 98. Greg apparently has lots of hours to fill during the day keeping his old computers running, carpeting his home town with tiki bars, and building RV trailers out of old bed frames. As soon as he picks up enough old microwave ovens from dumpsters, he'll be able to communicate directly with the Trump administration. In case you missed this: "Harree's hobby is denigrating the skills and interests of others. It makes him feel superior and he thrives on the insults he receives in return. Sick puppy." Pretty well said, doncha think? |
Laptop recommendations
On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 06:30:59 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 3/30/17 5:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2017 9:04 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 19:34:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: You can get back in forth to work in a Tesla too but you don't really need all of that power. I guess if you want the biggest and baddest machine on the block, go for it. You can afford it. ;-) Lesson I learned a long time ago from a old timer mechanical engineer (P.E.) "When in doubt, make it stout". Unfortunately, in the computer biz, stout is not the same as fast. I had to give up my PC based MP3 players because once you got much beyond a P1 166, reliability in the Florida car environment because you couldn't keep them cool. The same was true of hard drives. Once you got much over 10-15gig, they started getting more heat sensitive. My interest in laptops used to be as cheap (to run) servers since they used to run at "night light" levels of power. This last one I got came with a 90w power brick. You need to put a towel in your lap if you actually use it as a laptop or you will roast your nuts. The Dell Latitude (P3/400 W/98 machine) I am running back in the shop is always cool to the touch. The specs say it pulls a max of 36w but it seems to cruise in the 10-15w just talking to the printer, scanner or banging an external hard drive. Greg, not many people use or are as interested in computers as you are. I really am not interested in seeing how long I could use Windows 98. Greg apparently has lots of hours to fill during the day keeping his old computers running, carpeting his home town with tiki bars, and building RV trailers out of old bed frames. As soon as he picks up enough old microwave ovens from dumpsters, he'll be able to communicate directly with the Trump administration. These old computers just run and run with no attention from me. The W/98 machine in the back room has not burped for years. .... and I like building things. It is far more rewarding for me than writing things nobody will ever read and will be forgotten before I get home on the bus. |
Laptop recommendations
On 3/30/2017 8:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/30/17 7:35 AM, justan wrote: Bill Wrote in message: Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 16:25:49 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 05:17:47 -0400, Poco Deplorevole wrote: This summer will see us doing a bit of travelling, and I'm finally giving serious thought to getting a laptop. Any one having good or bad luck with theirs? I have had pretty good luck with Lenovo (formerly IBM) and my 2 1996 vintage 365s still run but they are not fast enough to do much. We use tablets. Both wife and I have iPad mini. Works well for traveling. Gets and sends email. Which is 80% of the travel use. Other 20% is looking up local places or maps. Tablets are great for that. We download books from our local library as well as Amazon so when on airplanes can read or play games. For wifi we either use hotels, phone hotspot, or Starbucks or McDonald's. I also have Xfinity for home, and they have public wifi wherever Comcast is a provider. The tablet is a lot more convenient than a laptop for travel, where you do not need it for business use. My wife's got a tablet she uses in the truck for finding campgrounds, cheap fuel, etc, plus all the stuff she does. I want something on which I can store files, pay bills, etc. I can bank online with the the iPad. Depending on memory size, can store stuff, and use for pictures. It runs safari or Crome. Does the Apple stuff allow use of sd cards for storage? Freind of mine was complaining that she was getting memory full errors. I didn't see a way to add storage to her phone. There are external storage devices that work with iPhone and iPads. His question was, "Does the Apple stuff allow use of *sd* cards for storage?" One of the reasons I don't like Apple products is that you often have to do it Apple's way, using Apple manufactured accessories. |
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On 3/30/2017 10:08 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/30/2017 8:51 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/30/17 8:45 AM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 3/30/17 7:35 AM, justan wrote: Bill Wrote in message: Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 16:25:49 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 05:17:47 -0400, Poco Deplorevole wrote: This summer will see us doing a bit of travelling, and I'm finally giving serious thought to getting a laptop. Any one having good or bad luck with theirs? I have had pretty good luck with Lenovo (formerly IBM) and my 2 1996 vintage 365s still run but they are not fast enough to do much. We use tablets. Both wife and I have iPad mini. Works well for traveling. Gets and sends email. Which is 80% of the travel use. Other 20% is looking up local places or maps. Tablets are great for that. We download books from our local library as well as Amazon so when on airplanes can read or play games. For wifi we either use hotels, phone hotspot, or Starbucks or McDonald's. I also have Xfinity for home, and they have public wifi wherever Comcast is a provider. The tablet is a lot more convenient than a laptop for travel, where you do not need it for business use. My wife's got a tablet she uses in the truck for finding campgrounds, cheap fuel, etc, plus all the stuff she does. I want something on which I can store files, pay bills, etc. I can bank online with the the iPad. Depending on memory size, can store stuff, and use for pictures. It runs safari or Crome. Does the Apple stuff allow use of sd cards for storage? Freind of mine was complaining that she was getting memory full errors. I didn't see a way to add storage to her phone. There are external storage devices that work with iPhone and iPads. She wants to carry her tunes, photos and every email and SMS she has ever recieved, on her phone. How do these devices connect to an iphone and can they be used for backup of files? The ones I have seen plug into the lightning port on the bottom of the device and have a USB port on the other end. I've not used one, but I'm pretty sure they'll do what you want. Here's one such device: http://tinyurl.com/mlh7r2f thanks, Sounds like just the ticket. I'll pass it on and let you know if I get any feedback Good grief. I think Hell just froze over. Justin and Harry having a civil, polite and productive conversation. Well done! |
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On 3/30/2017 10:40 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 05:48:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/29/2017 9:04 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 19:34:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: You can get back in forth to work in a Tesla too but you don't really need all of that power. I guess if you want the biggest and baddest machine on the block, go for it. You can afford it. ;-) Lesson I learned a long time ago from a old timer mechanical engineer (P.E.) "When in doubt, make it stout". Unfortunately, in the computer biz, stout is not the same as fast. I had to give up my PC based MP3 players because once you got much beyond a P1 166, reliability in the Florida car environment because you couldn't keep them cool. The same was true of hard drives. Once you got much over 10-15gig, they started getting more heat sensitive. My interest in laptops used to be as cheap (to run) servers since they used to run at "night light" levels of power. This last one I got came with a 90w power brick. You need to put a towel in your lap if you actually use it as a laptop or you will roast your nuts. The Dell Latitude (P3/400 W/98 machine) I am running back in the shop is always cool to the touch. The specs say it pulls a max of 36w but it seems to cruise in the 10-15w just talking to the printer, scanner or banging an external hard drive. Greg, not many people use or are as interested in computers as you are. I really am not interested in seeing how long I could use Windows 98. When your objective does not change, why should your hardware and software change? Most home users are doing very simple tasks on their PC and yet we have convinced them they need a machine that is as fast as the ones used by animators at Pixar. I guess it is just me but my 97 Honda gets me up to the Publix just as well as a brand new Bugatti would. I do not measure my self worth by things I have acquired. Has nothing to do with self worth Greg. It has everthing to do with when the damn thing stops working after 8 or 9 years and you don't feel like getting involved with swapping parts or fixing it. A computer, especially a laptop, is basically a throw away item to me when it craps out after using it for that long. Think of it this way. In the past 10 years I've purchased two computers, both laptops. I still am using the second one I purchased. Neither were "top of the line" but they also weren't the most inexpensive. So, how many have you bought or acquired second hand in the past 10 years? |
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 10:41:45 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote: On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 06:30:59 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/30/17 5:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2017 9:04 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 19:34:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: You can get back in forth to work in a Tesla too but you don't really need all of that power. I guess if you want the biggest and baddest machine on the block, go for it. You can afford it. ;-) Lesson I learned a long time ago from a old timer mechanical engineer (P.E.) "When in doubt, make it stout". Unfortunately, in the computer biz, stout is not the same as fast. I had to give up my PC based MP3 players because once you got much beyond a P1 166, reliability in the Florida car environment because you couldn't keep them cool. The same was true of hard drives. Once you got much over 10-15gig, they started getting more heat sensitive. My interest in laptops used to be as cheap (to run) servers since they used to run at "night light" levels of power. This last one I got came with a 90w power brick. You need to put a towel in your lap if you actually use it as a laptop or you will roast your nuts. The Dell Latitude (P3/400 W/98 machine) I am running back in the shop is always cool to the touch. The specs say it pulls a max of 36w but it seems to cruise in the 10-15w just talking to the printer, scanner or banging an external hard drive. Greg, not many people use or are as interested in computers as you are. I really am not interested in seeing how long I could use Windows 98. Greg apparently has lots of hours to fill during the day keeping his old computers running, carpeting his home town with tiki bars, and building RV trailers out of old bed frames. As soon as he picks up enough old microwave ovens from dumpsters, he'll be able to communicate directly with the Trump administration. In case you missed this: "Harree's hobby is denigrating the skills and interests of others. It makes him feel superior and he thrives on the insults he receives in return. Sick puppy." Pretty well said, doncha think? Yup. Harry is content to live his life dependent on the kindness of others. |
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 11:12:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/30/2017 10:40 AM, wrote: When your objective does not change, why should your hardware and software change? Most home users are doing very simple tasks on their PC and yet we have convinced them they need a machine that is as fast as the ones used by animators at Pixar. I guess it is just me but my 97 Honda gets me up to the Publix just as well as a brand new Bugatti would. I do not measure my self worth by things I have acquired. Has nothing to do with self worth Greg. It has everthing to do with when the damn thing stops working after 8 or 9 years and you don't feel like getting involved with swapping parts or fixing it. A computer, especially a laptop, is basically a throw away item to me when it craps out after using it for that long. Think of it this way. In the past 10 years I've purchased two computers, both laptops. I still am using the second one I purchased. Neither were "top of the line" but they also weren't the most inexpensive. So, how many have you bought or acquired second hand in the past 10 years? 3 in the last 15 years (one this month) and they are all still going. I have a few dead soldiers people gave me and I was not willing to screw with because it was more than a bad hard drive. I just took the drive out and chucked them. Laptops have never been my favorite simply because they use all proprietary parts, even within manufacturers and similar looking models. The price of parts make them unrewarding to fix. |
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On 3/30/17 11:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/30/2017 8:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/30/17 7:35 AM, justan wrote: Bill Wrote in message: Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 16:25:49 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 05:17:47 -0400, Poco Deplorevole wrote: This summer will see us doing a bit of travelling, and I'm finally giving serious thought to getting a laptop. Any one having good or bad luck with theirs? I have had pretty good luck with Lenovo (formerly IBM) and my 2 1996 vintage 365s still run but they are not fast enough to do much. We use tablets. Both wife and I have iPad mini. Works well for traveling. Gets and sends email. Which is 80% of the travel use. Other 20% is looking up local places or maps. Tablets are great for that. We download books from our local library as well as Amazon so when on airplanes can read or play games. For wifi we either use hotels, phone hotspot, or Starbucks or McDonald's. I also have Xfinity for home, and they have public wifi wherever Comcast is a provider. The tablet is a lot more convenient than a laptop for travel, where you do not need it for business use. My wife's got a tablet she uses in the truck for finding campgrounds, cheap fuel, etc, plus all the stuff she does. I want something on which I can store files, pay bills, etc. I can bank online with the the iPad. Depending on memory size, can store stuff, and use for pictures. It runs safari or Crome. Does the Apple stuff allow use of sd cards for storage? Freind of mine was complaining that she was getting memory full errors. I didn't see a way to add storage to her phone. There are external storage devices that work with iPhone and iPads. His question was, "Does the Apple stuff allow use of *sd* cards for storage?" One of the reasons I don't like Apple products is that you often have to do it Apple's way, using Apple manufactured accessories. That's one of the reasons why Apple devices are more reliable. My laptop is about four years old, with a 512-gig solid state hard drive, 8 gigs of RAM and it also holds in a slot a large SD card on which I have stored about 50 full-length movies to watch when I travel, and my 4,000 song music library. It's never hiccuped once. The various free OS upgrades are evolutionary and require little time to update and use. |
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