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On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 07:44:52 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. That is not just Hollywood. It is the whole coastal liberal arts establishment. They hate the working class until they actually need something done, then they ridicule them and try to scam them out of a fair price for their work. |
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On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 11:32:47 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/9/17 11:24 AM, wrote: On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 07:44:52 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. That is not just Hollywood. It is the whole coastal liberal arts establishment. They hate the working class until they actually need something done, then they ridicule them and try to scam them out of a fair price for their work. You're living in a paranoid, fantasy world. So says the one predicting heads on pikes. |
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 11:32:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/9/17 11:24 AM, wrote: On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 07:44:52 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. That is not just Hollywood. It is the whole coastal liberal arts establishment. They hate the working class until they actually need something done, then they ridicule them and try to scam them out of a fair price for their work. You're living in a paranoid, fantasy world. I only know this from what you write. You have good things to say about union organizers and occasionally you will say something good about a union member but other than that everyone is just an ignorant redneck to you. |
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 11:32:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/9/17 11:24 AM, wrote: On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 07:44:52 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. That is not just Hollywood. It is the whole coastal liberal arts establishment. They hate the working class until they actually need something done, then they ridicule them and try to scam them out of a fair price for their work. You're living in a paranoid, fantasy world. === If so you'll run into him any day now. |
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On 3/9/17 2:01 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 11:32:44 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 11:24 AM, wrote: On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 07:44:52 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. That is not just Hollywood. It is the whole coastal liberal arts establishment. They hate the working class until they actually need something done, then they ridicule them and try to scam them out of a fair price for their work. You're living in a paranoid, fantasy world. I only know this from what you write. You have good things to say about union organizers and occasionally you will say something good about a union member but other than that everyone is just an ignorant redneck to you. I rarely mention union organizers and I have frequently mentioned unionized workers. |
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On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. |
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Ryan P. wrote:
On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. After Katrina, I went to Slidell with Habitat for humanity. One of the people on the trip had been the head of the industrial arts association of California school teachers. He was in charge when the community college and state college people wanted to drop the industrial arts in HS. And if the kids needed training to go the college. He told them they were idiots, but they got their way. 5 years or so later they admitted they were idiots. 20% of the kids should go to university. 40% have the brains, but only half have the gumption. Now, we have a lack of actual workers. |
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:12:01 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote:
On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. The plumbers around here are charging $125/hr or more. If two guys show up, that goes to $250/hr even though one of them is the 'fetch it' guy. Ridiculous. |
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:12:01 -0600, "Ryan P."
wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. The main reason why trades do not make more money is they are horrible business people. We see it all the time around here. A trade will decide to go off on his own and loses his ass because he does not understand "overhead" and under bids his jobs. My wife and I have often thought a good business would be to just teach these guys how to run a small business. It is a unique skill that you would not get in an MBA program. Big business is not like small business |
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On 3/9/2017 4:01 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:12:01 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. The main reason why trades do not make more money is they are horrible business people. We see it all the time around here. A trade will decide to go off on his own and loses his ass because he does not understand "overhead" and under bids his jobs. My wife and I have often thought a good business would be to just teach these guys how to run a small business. It is a unique skill that you would not get in an MBA program. Big business is not like small business I can totally see that as being a problem. Obviously not all of them, but a significant number, sure. I think by their nature, people who like to work with their hands and actually create things are more focused on service and results rather than the behind-the-scenes business aspects. You could probably make a fortune yourself becoming a Small Business Coach or something similar. |
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On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. |
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:40:03 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. One has to wonder why Hollywood makes them out to be stupid. Maybe it's the stupid mentality of the PPLs in Hollywood, eh Krause. |
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Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:40:03 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. One has to wonder why Hollywood makes them out to be stupid. Maybe it's the stupid mentality of the PPLs in Hollywood, eh Krause. Is an amazing percentage of the Hollywood actor and actress's who did not graduate high school. |
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:40:03 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. That is a good reason why you should not be a one trick pony. Guys who know how to crossover across a few different trades usually find all the work they need. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. Most construction accidents are caused by people trying to do stupid things. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. Huh? I understand guys like roof framers know several trig tricks but they do not really know trig. It is just skill in using a framing square. They will beat a guy with a scientific calculator and a protractor every time. (speed and accuracy) The same is true of guys bending pipe in the electrical trade. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. Not really that many these days. |
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On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P."
wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:18:31 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. |
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On 3/10/2017 3:34 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:18:31 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:51:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/10/2017 3:34 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:18:31 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) I hate plumbing crap also, but I've outgrown my fear of toilets. Everything is right there, if the shutoff valve works. That's sometimes a problem because folks don't open and close the valve and it gets stuck. So, go close and open your toilet valves right now. The rest is easy, unless the wax ring is leaking. I've replaced one, but it's a PITA. |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:51:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) === I feel exactly the same way. Plumbing and I have never gotten along well together and do it only when absolutely necessary. |
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Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:51:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/10/2017 3:34 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:18:31 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) I hate plumbing crap also, but I've outgrown my fear of toilets. Everything is right there, if the shutoff valve works. That's sometimes a problem because folks don't open and close the valve and it gets stuck. So, go close and open your toilet valves right now. The rest is easy, unless the wax ring is leaking. I've replaced one, but it's a PITA. Toilets are OK. Can get to them. And when the kids were small, always kept an extra wax ring, and they would dump something down the toilet and plug the dang thing. Under sinks are the worst. No really room. I am a big guy. 6'4" and 46" Xlong coat. |
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Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:18:31 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. He's lucky it was only $75! |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:05:27 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:51:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/10/2017 3:34 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) I hate plumbing crap also, but I've outgrown my fear of toilets. Everything is right there, if the shutoff valve works. That's sometimes a problem because folks don't open and close the valve and it gets stuck. So, go close and open your toilet valves right now. The rest is easy, unless the wax ring is leaking. I've replaced one, but it's a PITA. Plumbing has never been a problem for me. I did all of it in both bathroom remodels including the underground. One involved plumbing in a wall hanging toilet. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/new%20room/Plumbing.jpg |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 23:07:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: Toilets are OK. Can get to them. And when the kids were small, always kept an extra wax ring, and they would dump something down the toilet and plug the dang thing. Under sinks are the worst. No really room. I am a big guy. 6'4" and 46" Xlong coat. One thing I found is, it goes a lot easier if you use the new hose type connections for the faucet hook up. The newer faucets also have extended pigtails on the water inputs so they are below the sink base. The Price Pfisters I have in the kitchens also have an extended bolt deal to hold them down so you are just working with a socket, not a basin wrench and you are not on your back inside the cabinet. Some time it is easier just to pull the sink out, plumb it and put it back. My wife usually jumps in and cleans all of that stuff that was hard to get to with the sink in place. In the master bath I have some hard to get at Delta faucets but I took a key from the PPs and extended the intake pipes so I can see them below the sink. The typical 1/2" NPT stems have an internal diameter that lends itself to tapping to 1/4" pipe and then you can extend it down with a pipe nipple, put a female adapter to 3/8 compression and screw on one of those hoses. The collar nut that locks it to the sink still slips right over all of that. |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:56:21 -0500, Alex wrote:
Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:18:31 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. He's lucky it was only $75! According to him it was a guy who's been doing his plumbing work for a long time. Hell, it couldn't have taken more than 15 minutes to put in a new flush valve. |
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Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:56:21 -0500, Alex wrote: Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:18:31 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. He's lucky it was only $75! According to him it was a guy who's been doing his plumbing work for a long time. Hell, it couldn't have taken more than 15 minutes to put in a new flush valve. And how much time for travel, and government required bookkeeping? |
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justan wrote:
Wrote in message: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:05:27 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:51:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/10/2017 3:34 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) I hate plumbing crap also, but I've outgrown my fear of toilets. Everything is right there, if the shutoff valve works. That's sometimes a problem because folks don't open and close the valve and it gets stuck. So, go close and open your toilet valves right now. The rest is easy, unless the wax ring is leaking. I've replaced one, but it's a PITA. Plumbing has never been a problem for me. I did all of it in both bathroom remodels including the underground. One involved plumbing in a wall hanging toilet. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/new%20room/Plumbing.jpg Plumbing is ALWAYS a problem. All but the most routine jobs require at least 3 trips to Ace hardware. A friend years ago was a contractor. Sink p-trap breaks on thanksgiving. He went to,his neighbor who was a plumbing contractor. He said he knows how they do good jobs quick. Contractor loaned him the work truck, and he said had any possible item required. No extra trips. |
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:27:59 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:
Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:56:21 -0500, Alex wrote: Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:18:31 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:07:09 -0600, "Ryan P." wrote: On 3/9/2017 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/9/17 4:12 PM, Ryan P. wrote: On 3/9/2017 6:44 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1305416199493836/ Hollywood's version of the middle class worker. Mike Rowe is a fantastic advocate for skilled labor. In my own state, there's a huge shortage of skilled labor like welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. The problem is that the East and West Coast Elite's have made succeeded in getting people to think that no going to a 4-year college is an awful thing, and instruction in the Trades is de-emphasized (if it even exists) at the high school/middle school level in most districts. The consequence is that, as Mike Rowe stated, kids think of these jobs as unworthy or beneath them. The fact that many people in the trades make far more money than many college graduates is never disclosed to these kids. If you're a good welder, you going to make 6 figures easy, for example. One of the serious and known problems in the skilled building trades is the fact that for many workers in all parts of the country the work isn't constant. Jobs come and jobs go, and while you might land a job on a site that provides a few months worth of work, you might well go a few months with no work in your field, and you might not be able to find any work that pays enough to support you and your family until another good job pops up. Another problem, also known, is the high incidence of serious injury that accompanies work in many of the construction trades. The idea that construction workers in the skilled trades are stupid is...just stupid. Many of the trades require workers who have advanced skills in math and chemistry, for example. It's a tough way to make a living. There are easier ways. I think that circles back to the comment that many of the skilled trade folks aren't the best at managing their finances. I have cousin who spent many years working for a landscaping company. He would make great money during the summer, and then only got paid in the winter when it snowed and he could plow. He always spent the winter crying poor and could never afford anything. I helped him with his taxes one year, and found he was making more than I was at his age by about $10K. His problem was not being able to budget properly... That's something that also isn't being taught in High School any longer unless you take accounting electives. They are so busy teaching politically correct courses that they do not really teach any life skills these days. Manual arts, shop or whatever you want to call it has pretty much gone away unless you are in a vo-tech and the good old "Home Ec" is gone completely. We have a couple generations of kids who do not even know how to feed themselves. They have to call someone to find a tripped breaker. There are plenty of people, even our age, who do not have a clue about money management. I can't believe the number of baby boomers who are thinking about retirement and they still have a mortgage, credit card debt and a car payment. My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. He's lucky it was only $75! According to him it was a guy who's been doing his plumbing work for a long time. Hell, it couldn't have taken more than 15 minutes to put in a new flush valve. And how much time for travel, and government required bookkeeping? No idea. Probably got cash. Saves on the bookkeeping. |
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On 3/11/2017 1:51 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 10:16:25 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:05:27 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:51:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/10/2017 3:34 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) I hate plumbing crap also, but I've outgrown my fear of toilets. Everything is right there, if the shutoff valve works. That's sometimes a problem because folks don't open and close the valve and it gets stuck. So, go close and open your toilet valves right now. The rest is easy, unless the wax ring is leaking. I've replaced one, but it's a PITA. Plumbing has never been a problem for me. I did all of it in both bathroom remodels including the underground. One involved plumbing in a wall hanging toilet. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/new%20room/Plumbing.jpg Plumbing is ALWAYS a problem. All but the most routine jobs require at least 3 trips to Ace hardware. I have a pretty extensive supply of parts and my neighbor has more PVC stuff than me. Most of the plumbing is plastic here these days so you are just pasting pipe. When Builder's Square was going out of business, I was there on the last day and they announced the people in the store could have all you can get in a basket for $25. I went to the electrical aisle and the plumbing aisle and loaded up. I got all sorts of strange adapters so I am pretty much ready for anything. I pushed the cart up to the racks and stripped off all of the bubble packs into the cart. I ended up with all sorts of cool stuff. I took a lot of stuff out of the box so I could get more in the cart. It may have been the most fun I have ever had shopping. I have an extensive supply of toilet flapper valves that didn't fit. |
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 14:36:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/11/2017 1:51 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 10:16:25 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:05:27 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:51:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/10/2017 3:34 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) I hate plumbing crap also, but I've outgrown my fear of toilets. Everything is right there, if the shutoff valve works. That's sometimes a problem because folks don't open and close the valve and it gets stuck. So, go close and open your toilet valves right now. The rest is easy, unless the wax ring is leaking. I've replaced one, but it's a PITA. Plumbing has never been a problem for me. I did all of it in both bathroom remodels including the underground. One involved plumbing in a wall hanging toilet. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/new%20room/Plumbing.jpg Plumbing is ALWAYS a problem. All but the most routine jobs require at least 3 trips to Ace hardware. I have a pretty extensive supply of parts and my neighbor has more PVC stuff than me. Most of the plumbing is plastic here these days so you are just pasting pipe. When Builder's Square was going out of business, I was there on the last day and they announced the people in the store could have all you can get in a basket for $25. I went to the electrical aisle and the plumbing aisle and loaded up. I got all sorts of strange adapters so I am pretty much ready for anything. I pushed the cart up to the racks and stripped off all of the bubble packs into the cart. I ended up with all sorts of cool stuff. I took a lot of stuff out of the box so I could get more in the cart. It may have been the most fun I have ever had shopping. I have an extensive supply of toilet flapper valves that didn't fit. I always take the old one with me. |
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On 3/11/17 1:51 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 10:16:25 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:05:27 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:51:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/10/2017 3:34 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) I hate plumbing crap also, but I've outgrown my fear of toilets. Everything is right there, if the shutoff valve works. That's sometimes a problem because folks don't open and close the valve and it gets stuck. So, go close and open your toilet valves right now. The rest is easy, unless the wax ring is leaking. I've replaced one, but it's a PITA. Plumbing has never been a problem for me. I did all of it in both bathroom remodels including the underground. One involved plumbing in a wall hanging toilet. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/new%20room/Plumbing.jpg Plumbing is ALWAYS a problem. All but the most routine jobs require at least 3 trips to Ace hardware. I have a pretty extensive supply of parts and my neighbor has more PVC stuff than me. Most of the plumbing is plastic here these days so you are just pasting pipe. When Builder's Square was going out of business, I was there on the last day and they announced the people in the store could have all you can get in a basket for $25. I went to the electrical aisle and the plumbing aisle and loaded up. I got all sorts of strange adapters so I am pretty much ready for anything. I pushed the cart up to the racks and stripped off all of the bubble packs into the cart. I ended up with all sorts of cool stuff. I took a lot of stuff out of the box so I could get more in the cart. It may have been the most fun I have ever had shopping. I've replaced a toilet and removed and reinstalled a toilet for a redecorating job, and that sort of low-level plumbing work, but I won't mess with the gas appliances. When my gas water heater was misbehaving, I called a friend at the local and he sent an apprentice out that afternoon who took out and cleaned some parts in the bottom of the heater that took care of the problem. Cost me $35 and a lunch. The gas line install on the second fireplace was handled by my gas supplier, who dispatched two union plumbers who did the piping and connection job so the county inspector could come by the next day. That work cost me $100 or so added onto my monthly propane delivery bill. |
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 14:36:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/11/2017 1:51 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 10:16:25 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:05:27 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:51:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/10/2017 3:34 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) I hate plumbing crap also, but I've outgrown my fear of toilets. Everything is right there, if the shutoff valve works. That's sometimes a problem because folks don't open and close the valve and it gets stuck. So, go close and open your toilet valves right now. The rest is easy, unless the wax ring is leaking. I've replaced one, but it's a PITA. Plumbing has never been a problem for me. I did all of it in both bathroom remodels including the underground. One involved plumbing in a wall hanging toilet. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/new%20room/Plumbing.jpg Plumbing is ALWAYS a problem. All but the most routine jobs require at least 3 trips to Ace hardware. I have a pretty extensive supply of parts and my neighbor has more PVC stuff than me. Most of the plumbing is plastic here these days so you are just pasting pipe. When Builder's Square was going out of business, I was there on the last day and they announced the people in the store could have all you can get in a basket for $25. I went to the electrical aisle and the plumbing aisle and loaded up. I got all sorts of strange adapters so I am pretty much ready for anything. I pushed the cart up to the racks and stripped off all of the bubble packs into the cart. I ended up with all sorts of cool stuff. I took a lot of stuff out of the box so I could get more in the cart. It may have been the most fun I have ever had shopping. I have an extensive supply of toilet flapper valves that didn't fit. All of the toilets I have had in decades used proprietary parts so I never buy generic parts. The Kohler was really picky about stuff and I finally put it out on the curb. It was a model on the bleeding edge of the 1.6 gallon flush and it never worked right. |
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 14:55:35 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: I won't mess with the gas appliances. When my gas water heater was misbehaving, I called a friend at the local and he sent an apprentice out that afternoon who took out and cleaned some parts in the bottom of the heater that took care of the problem. Cost me $35 and a lunch. The gas line install on the second fireplace was handled by my gas supplier, who dispatched two union plumbers who did the piping and connection job so the county inspector could come by the next day. That work cost me $100 or so added onto my monthly propane delivery bill. When I was up there, WG&L provided most gas work for free. I had a bad burner valve on my stove and they sent a guy out. I had a new one for him to use but he said he had one on the truck. |
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On 3/11/2017 11:30 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 14:36:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/11/2017 1:51 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 10:16:25 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:05:27 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:51:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/10/2017 3:34 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: My neighbor, about 35 years old, one generation down, had a plumber's truck in his driveway this morning. We had a cup of coffee later, and I asked what happened. His fill valve was leaking around the sides and no water was going into the overflow tube as the toilet was filling. He spent $75 getting a new fill valve installed. I asked why he didn't just go to WalMart and buy a new valve for $10. He didn't know that was possible. I guess that kind of proves your point. I'll tackle most DIY repairs or projects *except* anything to do with water and plumbing. Too many bad experiences and frustrations. I'll hire a plumber even if it's only to replace the flapper valve in the toilet. :-) I hate plumbing crap also, but I've outgrown my fear of toilets. Everything is right there, if the shutoff valve works. That's sometimes a problem because folks don't open and close the valve and it gets stuck. So, go close and open your toilet valves right now. The rest is easy, unless the wax ring is leaking. I've replaced one, but it's a PITA. Plumbing has never been a problem for me. I did all of it in both bathroom remodels including the underground. One involved plumbing in a wall hanging toilet. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/new%20room/Plumbing.jpg Plumbing is ALWAYS a problem. All but the most routine jobs require at least 3 trips to Ace hardware. I have a pretty extensive supply of parts and my neighbor has more PVC stuff than me. Most of the plumbing is plastic here these days so you are just pasting pipe. When Builder's Square was going out of business, I was there on the last day and they announced the people in the store could have all you can get in a basket for $25. I went to the electrical aisle and the plumbing aisle and loaded up. I got all sorts of strange adapters so I am pretty much ready for anything. I pushed the cart up to the racks and stripped off all of the bubble packs into the cart. I ended up with all sorts of cool stuff. I took a lot of stuff out of the box so I could get more in the cart. It may have been the most fun I have ever had shopping. I have an extensive supply of toilet flapper valves that didn't fit. All of the toilets I have had in decades used proprietary parts so I never buy generic parts. The Kohler was really picky about stuff and I finally put it out on the curb. It was a model on the bleeding edge of the 1.6 gallon flush and it never worked right. The last toilet flapper I tried to replace was for a Kohler. Lowes had OEM replacements as well as at least two aftermarket replacements for that particular toilet. Bought the OEM figuring how could I possibly go wrong? The OEM didn't work. It leaked despite all my attempts to clean the flange it was supposed to seal to and despite all my attempts to adjust it. Ended up breaking one of the rubber "arms". Back to Lowes ... bought one each of some aftermarket types. First didn't fit at all. Second one fit and worked. Decided to sell the house after that. House had 6 bathrooms. :-) |
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