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Bill[_12_] February 7th 17 09:16 PM

luddite
 


Thought of you the other day while reading newspaper article on man made
diamonds. The company learned the process while doing solar cells. Use a
plasma to create diamonds same as nature, one molecule at a time.

Mr. Luddite February 8th 17 12:31 PM

luddite
 
On 2/7/2017 4:16 PM, Bill wrote:


Thought of you the other day while reading newspaper article on man made
diamonds. The company learned the process while doing solar cells. Use a
plasma to create diamonds same as nature, one molecule at a time.



I worked on a project and built a research system for creating
polycrystaline diamond films. Also worked on a project with (at the
time) a more practical use ... hard carbon films. Process is similar
although I am sure people have developed more efficient ways of doing it.

Basically, a substrate (object on which the film is to be deposited) is
put in a vacuum chamber, air is removed and then a partial pressure of a
hydrocarbon gas is maintained. An RF power supply is used to
disassociate the gas (usually methane), breaking it down to it's
chemical components. The hydrogen in the gas burns off weakly bonded
carbon atoms and a thin diamond film can result (if you have all the
parameters correct).

The diamond films really weren't good for optics at the time but they
were used as heat sink surfaces things like high density computer CPUs.

Strange thing about diamond ... it's a perfect electrical insulator but
is also an extremely efficient heat transfer material. I don't know of
any other material like that.

Poco Deplorevole February 8th 17 01:02 PM

luddite
 
On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 07:31:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/7/2017 4:16 PM, Bill wrote:


Thought of you the other day while reading newspaper article on man made
diamonds. The company learned the process while doing solar cells. Use a
plasma to create diamonds same as nature, one molecule at a time.



I worked on a project and built a research system for creating
polycrystaline diamond films. Also worked on a project with (at the
time) a more practical use ... hard carbon films. Process is similar
although I am sure people have developed more efficient ways of doing it.

Basically, a substrate (object on which the film is to be deposited) is
put in a vacuum chamber, air is removed and then a partial pressure of a
hydrocarbon gas is maintained. An RF power supply is used to
disassociate the gas (usually methane), breaking it down to it's
chemical components. The hydrogen in the gas burns off weakly bonded
carbon atoms and a thin diamond film can result (if you have all the
parameters correct).

The diamond films really weren't good for optics at the time but they
were used as heat sink surfaces things like high density computer CPUs.

Strange thing about diamond ... it's a perfect electrical insulator but
is also an extremely efficient heat transfer material. I don't know of
any other material like that.


If you'll send me a few 2-3 carat diamonds, I'll try to test a few materials to see if I can find
something like that.

Mr. Luddite February 8th 17 01:42 PM

luddite
 
On 2/8/2017 8:02 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 07:31:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/7/2017 4:16 PM, Bill wrote:


Thought of you the other day while reading newspaper article on man made
diamonds. The company learned the process while doing solar cells. Use a
plasma to create diamonds same as nature, one molecule at a time.



I worked on a project and built a research system for creating
polycrystaline diamond films. Also worked on a project with (at the
time) a more practical use ... hard carbon films. Process is similar
although I am sure people have developed more efficient ways of doing it.

Basically, a substrate (object on which the film is to be deposited) is
put in a vacuum chamber, air is removed and then a partial pressure of a
hydrocarbon gas is maintained. An RF power supply is used to
disassociate the gas (usually methane), breaking it down to it's
chemical components. The hydrogen in the gas burns off weakly bonded
carbon atoms and a thin diamond film can result (if you have all the
parameters correct).

The diamond films really weren't good for optics at the time but they
were used as heat sink surfaces things like high density computer CPUs.

Strange thing about diamond ... it's a perfect electrical insulator but
is also an extremely efficient heat transfer material. I don't know of
any other material like that.


If you'll send me a few 2-3 carat diamonds, I'll try to test a few materials to see if I can find
something like that.



Sorry but they don't get that big. Nowhere even close. It's just a
very thin film with microscopic diamonds. The key is how the carbon
atoms bond.

[email protected] February 8th 17 04:37 PM

luddite
 
On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 08:02:44 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 07:31:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/7/2017 4:16 PM, Bill wrote:


Thought of you the other day while reading newspaper article on man made
diamonds. The company learned the process while doing solar cells. Use a
plasma to create diamonds same as nature, one molecule at a time.



I worked on a project and built a research system for creating
polycrystaline diamond films. Also worked on a project with (at the
time) a more practical use ... hard carbon films. Process is similar
although I am sure people have developed more efficient ways of doing it.

Basically, a substrate (object on which the film is to be deposited) is
put in a vacuum chamber, air is removed and then a partial pressure of a
hydrocarbon gas is maintained. An RF power supply is used to
disassociate the gas (usually methane), breaking it down to it's
chemical components. The hydrogen in the gas burns off weakly bonded
carbon atoms and a thin diamond film can result (if you have all the
parameters correct).

The diamond films really weren't good for optics at the time but they
were used as heat sink surfaces things like high density computer CPUs.

Strange thing about diamond ... it's a perfect electrical insulator but
is also an extremely efficient heat transfer material. I don't know of
any other material like that.


If you'll send me a few 2-3 carat diamonds, I'll try to test a few materials to see if I can find
something like that.


Diamonds are not particularly rare and in an un manipulated market the
smaller stones would not even be that expensive but the market is
manipulated to maintain prices.
Once you get away from "gem" quality stones they are very plentiful.
Once we decided it was OK for black people to exploit black people in
South Africa, diamonds and chromium were a glut on the market and that
is why we see so much stainless steel and so many diamond tools these
days. If they would break the monopoly De Beers has on gem stones,
they would get a lot cheaper too.

Bill[_12_] February 8th 17 06:36 PM

luddite
 
wrote:
On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 08:02:44 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 07:31:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/7/2017 4:16 PM, Bill wrote:


Thought of you the other day while reading newspaper article on man made
diamonds. The company learned the process while doing solar cells. Use a
plasma to create diamonds same as nature, one molecule at a time.



I worked on a project and built a research system for creating
polycrystaline diamond films. Also worked on a project with (at the
time) a more practical use ... hard carbon films. Process is similar
although I am sure people have developed more efficient ways of doing it.

Basically, a substrate (object on which the film is to be deposited) is
put in a vacuum chamber, air is removed and then a partial pressure of a
hydrocarbon gas is maintained. An RF power supply is used to
disassociate the gas (usually methane), breaking it down to it's
chemical components. The hydrogen in the gas burns off weakly bonded
carbon atoms and a thin diamond film can result (if you have all the
parameters correct).

The diamond films really weren't good for optics at the time but they
were used as heat sink surfaces things like high density computer CPUs.

Strange thing about diamond ... it's a perfect electrical insulator but
is also an extremely efficient heat transfer material. I don't know of
any other material like that.


If you'll send me a few 2-3 carat diamonds, I'll try to test a few
materials to see if I can find
something like that.


Diamonds are not particularly rare and in an un manipulated market the
smaller stones would not even be that expensive but the market is
manipulated to maintain prices.
Once you get away from "gem" quality stones they are very plentiful.
Once we decided it was OK for black people to exploit black people in
South Africa, diamonds and chromium were a glut on the market and that
is why we see so much stainless steel and so many diamond tools these
days. If they would break the monopoly De Beers has on gem stones,
they would get a lot cheaper too.


The newspaper article said 10% of diamonds were jewelry quality, but 95% of
diamond profits. The company, Diamond Foundry, can make large perfect
diamonds, no inclusions. At 90% of the cost of mining, without the human
trafficking to get miners. But then will be a lot of unemployed.


Poco Deplorevole February 8th 17 09:50 PM

luddite
 
On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 11:37:10 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 08:02:44 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 07:31:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/7/2017 4:16 PM, Bill wrote:


Thought of you the other day while reading newspaper article on man made
diamonds. The company learned the process while doing solar cells. Use a
plasma to create diamonds same as nature, one molecule at a time.



I worked on a project and built a research system for creating
polycrystaline diamond films. Also worked on a project with (at the
time) a more practical use ... hard carbon films. Process is similar
although I am sure people have developed more efficient ways of doing it.

Basically, a substrate (object on which the film is to be deposited) is
put in a vacuum chamber, air is removed and then a partial pressure of a
hydrocarbon gas is maintained. An RF power supply is used to
disassociate the gas (usually methane), breaking it down to it's
chemical components. The hydrogen in the gas burns off weakly bonded
carbon atoms and a thin diamond film can result (if you have all the
parameters correct).

The diamond films really weren't good for optics at the time but they
were used as heat sink surfaces things like high density computer CPUs.

Strange thing about diamond ... it's a perfect electrical insulator but
is also an extremely efficient heat transfer material. I don't know of
any other material like that.


If you'll send me a few 2-3 carat diamonds, I'll try to test a few materials to see if I can find
something like that.


Diamonds are not particularly rare and in an un manipulated market the
smaller stones would not even be that expensive but the market is
manipulated to maintain prices.
Once you get away from "gem" quality stones they are very plentiful.
Once we decided it was OK for black people to exploit black people in
South Africa, diamonds and chromium were a glut on the market and that
is why we see so much stainless steel and so many diamond tools these
days. If they would break the monopoly De Beers has on gem stones,
they would get a lot cheaper too.


That's OK. I'd take a few of that size anyway.


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