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http://www.valuewalk.com/2017/02/fal...hunger-africa/

First I've heard of it. Scary situation. Hope we can help 'em out.

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On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 14:44:01 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

http://www.valuewalk.com/2017/02/fal...hunger-africa/

First I've heard of it. Scary situation. Hope we can help 'em out.

===

We could ship them plenty of corn if our government would get rid of
the cockamamie ethanol fuel program. I'd like to see it disappear
ASAP but unfortunately the Iowa corn farmers were big Trump
supporters.

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On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 15:46:17 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 14:44:01 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

http://www.valuewalk.com/2017/02/fal...hunger-africa/

First I've heard of it. Scary situation. Hope we can help 'em out.

===

We could ship them plenty of corn if our government would get rid of
the cockamamie ethanol fuel program. I'd like to see it disappear
ASAP but unfortunately the Iowa corn farmers were big Trump
supporters.

I was thinking more in terms of eradicating the damn caterpillar. I heard Trump, in one speech, say
he was in favor of ethanol. Hope he was just currying some favor. The 15% stuff can wreak havoc with
a lot of engines, especially the one on my motorcycle!

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3:01 PMPoco Deplorevole
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I was thinking more in terms of eradicating the damn caterpillar. I heard Trump, in one speech, say
he was in favor of ethanol. Hope he was just currying some favor. The 15% stuff can wreak havoc with
a lot of engines, especially the one on my motorcycle!
.....,

That's why I get 100% straight gasoline that is when I can. Sure it costs more but we're talk g less than a buck difference on a fill up

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On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 16:01:30 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 15:46:17 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 14:44:01 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

http://www.valuewalk.com/2017/02/fal...hunger-africa/

First I've heard of it. Scary situation. Hope we can help 'em out.

===

We could ship them plenty of corn if our government would get rid of
the cockamamie ethanol fuel program. I'd like to see it disappear
ASAP but unfortunately the Iowa corn farmers were big Trump
supporters.

I was thinking more in terms of eradicating the damn caterpillar. I heard Trump, in one speech, say
he was in favor of ethanol. Hope he was just currying some favor. The 15% stuff can wreak havoc with
a lot of engines, especially the one on my motorcycle!

===

Ethanol fuel is a complete boondoggle. Not only does it consume more
energy in its production and distillation than it saves, but as you
point out, it damages engines and fuel tanks. It also reduces fuel
mileage because it is less efficient than straight gasoline.
Unfortunately it has acquired a political life of its own because of
the farm lobby and EPA weenies.

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On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 13:24:23 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

3:01 PMPoco Deplorevole
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I was thinking more in terms of eradicating the damn caterpillar. I heard Trump, in one speech, say
he was in favor of ethanol. Hope he was just currying some favor. The 15% stuff can wreak havoc with
a lot of engines, especially the one on my motorcycle!
....,

That's why I get 100% straight gasoline that is when I can. Sure it costs more but we're talk g less than a buck difference on a fill up

===

I'm surprised that you can buy it at all. Around here you can only
buy it at marinas. Of course everything costs more at a marina so
it's hard to tell how much of that is due to being ethanol free.

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3:35
On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 13:24:23 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:
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I'm surprised that you can buy it at all. Around here you can only
buy it at marinas. Of course everything costs more at a marina so
it's hard to tell how much of that is due to being ethanol free.
.....

Not all but several stations carry it due to chainsaws and weed eaters I suppose. The gas is still crap but it's alcohol free crap..

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On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 16:35:39 -0500,
wrote:

I'm surprised that you can buy it at all. Around here you can only
buy it at marinas. Of course everything costs more at a marina so
it's hard to tell how much of that is due to being ethanol free.

That must just be a Cape thing. It is everywhere I go here (Rec90).
Typically it is 30-50 cents more than regular E10. I am still using
the E10.

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On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 19:36:30 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 16:35:39 -0500,
wrote:

I'm surprised that you can buy it at all. Around here you can only
buy it at marinas. Of course everything costs more at a marina so
it's hard to tell how much of that is due to being ethanol free.

That must just be a Cape thing. It is everywhere I go here (Rec90).
Typically it is 30-50 cents more than regular E10. I am still using
the E10.

===

Interesting - I've never seen that. I assume the 90 means 90 octane?
Does it actually say Rec90 on the pump?

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On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 13:24:23 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

3:01 PMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
I was thinking more in terms of eradicating the damn caterpillar. I heard Trump, in one speech, say
he was in favor of ethanol. Hope he was just currying some favor. The 15% stuff can wreak havoc with
a lot of engines, especially the one on my motorcycle!
....,

That's why I get 100% straight gasoline that is when I can. Sure it costs more but we're talk g less than a buck difference on a fill up

I haven't seen that around here, although I've not checked any marinas. The 10% is giving me no
problem in the Goose, yet.

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6:41 AMPoco Deplorevole
On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 13:24:23 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

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I haven't seen that around here, although I've not checked any marinas. The 10% is giving me no
problem in the Goose, yet.

.....

I doubt if it will John. 10% ethanol isn't going to mess up anything. But going over that might. E-85 is a mess on rubber hoses and fuel related gaskets. Plus, the idea of getting a carbureted engine to run in it is a feat in itself..,

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On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:51:36 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:


6:41 AMPoco Deplorevole
On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 13:24:23 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

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I haven't seen that around here, although I've not checked any marinas. The 10% is giving me no
problem in the Goose, yet.

....

I doubt if it will John. 10% ethanol isn't going to mess up anything. But going over that might. E-85 is a mess on rubber hoses and fuel related gaskets. Plus, the idea of getting a carbureted engine to run in it is a feat in itself..,

That's my worry. So far I've not seen any of that around here either.

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On Tue, 07 Feb 2017 07:41:02 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 13:24:23 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

3:01 PMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
I was thinking more in terms of eradicating the damn caterpillar. I heard Trump, in one speech, say
he was in favor of ethanol. Hope he was just currying some favor. The 15% stuff can wreak havoc with
a lot of engines, especially the one on my motorcycle!
....,

That's why I get 100% straight gasoline that is when I can. Sure it costs more but we're talk g less than a buck difference on a fill up

I haven't seen that around here, although I've not checked any marinas. The 10% is giving me no
problem in the Goose, yet.

Maybe it is just a reflection of the number of boats. Down here South
of Ft Myers, trailer boats seem to be everywhere.
ethanol seems to be worst for people who not burn it right away.
Moisture builds up in the fuel until it reaches saturation and the
alcohol/water solution separates from the gas. I bet you can decant
that off and be left with some low octane gas but that may be pretty
bad too, Maybe if you then added back some premium you would have
something that would work but it is a lot of work unless you were
talking about a tank full in a big boat. The lesson is, buy it, burn
it and then buy some more, don't try to store it.

BTW this may change the old rule about whether it is better to store
your boat with full or empty tanks, For me "storage" is the 2 or 3
weeks I am on vacation so I don't give it a second thought.

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Gret sez...
"BTW this may change the old rule about whether it is better to store
your boat with full or empty tanks, For me "storage" is the 2 or 3
weeks I am on vacation so I don't give it a second thought."


Wonder if it makes a difference if the boat's tank is made of metal or plastic?
I used to make sure my tank was full of Stabil treated gas but now maybe 2/3rds full of the treated gas so I can add 20 liters of fresh gas when the long 7 months sleep is finally over.

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On Tue, 07 Feb 2017 13:02:25 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:51:36 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:


6:41 AMPoco Deplorevole
On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 13:24:23 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

- show quoted text -
I haven't seen that around here, although I've not checked any marinas. The 10% is giving me no
problem in the Goose, yet.

....

I doubt if it will John. 10% ethanol isn't going to mess up anything. But going over that might. E-85 is a mess on rubber hoses and fuel related gaskets. Plus, the idea of getting a carbureted engine to run in it is a feat in itself..,

That's my worry. So far I've not seen any of that around here either.

My only experience with it was in the Dakotas and I was convinced it
was a bad idea right away. The MPG indicator in the computer made it
very obvious.

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On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 10:45:39 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Gret sez...
"BTW this may change the old rule about whether it is better to store
your boat with full or empty tanks, For me "storage" is the 2 or 3
weeks I am on vacation so I don't give it a second thought."


Wonder if it makes a difference if the boat's tank is made of metal or plastic?
I used to make sure my tank was full of Stabil treated gas but now maybe 2/3rds full of the treated gas so I can add 20 liters of fresh gas when the long 7 months sleep is finally over.

If it is a steel tank, rust might be an issue but I doubt there is
anything horrible that would happen in an empty aluminum or plastic
tank.
If a little water did condense in the bottom, E10 might be the best
solution. After all "dry gas" is just alcohol.

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On 2/7/2017 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 10:45:39 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Gret sez...
"BTW this may change the old rule about whether it is better to store
your boat with full or empty tanks, For me "storage" is the 2 or 3
weeks I am on vacation so I don't give it a second thought."


Wonder if it makes a difference if the boat's tank is made of metal or plastic?
I used to make sure my tank was full of Stabil treated gas but now maybe 2/3rds full of the treated gas so I can add 20 liters of fresh gas when the long 7 months sleep is finally over.

If it is a steel tank, rust might be an issue but I doubt there is
anything horrible that would happen in an empty aluminum or plastic
tank.
If a little water did condense in the bottom, E10 might be the best
solution. After all "dry gas" is just alcohol.



I've mentioned this before but when E10 came out one boat manufacturer
(Yellowfin) had serious problems with the built-in fiberglass fuel
tanks. It dissolved and liquefied some of the resin which then became
ingested in the boat's motors, particularly fuel injection systems. I
doubt that happens with plastic tanks since there doesn't seem to be an
issue with portable, plastic gas containers.

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On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 14:49:11 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/7/2017 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 10:45:39 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Gret sez...
"BTW this may change the old rule about whether it is better to store
your boat with full or empty tanks, For me "storage" is the 2 or 3
weeks I am on vacation so I don't give it a second thought."


Wonder if it makes a difference if the boat's tank is made of metal or plastic?
I used to make sure my tank was full of Stabil treated gas but now maybe 2/3rds full of the treated gas so I can add 20 liters of fresh gas when the long 7 months sleep is finally over.

If it is a steel tank, rust might be an issue but I doubt there is
anything horrible that would happen in an empty aluminum or plastic
tank.
If a little water did condense in the bottom, E10 might be the best
solution. After all "dry gas" is just alcohol.



I've mentioned this before but when E10 came out one boat manufacturer
(Yellowfin) had serious problems with the built-in fiberglass fuel
tanks. It dissolved and liquefied some of the resin which then became
ingested in the boat's motors, particularly fuel injection systems. I
doubt that happens with plastic tanks since there doesn't seem to be an
issue with portable, plastic gas containers.


I found this article that seems pretty informative without too much
hyperbole.
They do seem to be saying storing "empty" may be best but it implies
totally empty (dry) not just what pumps out through the fuel pump. I
am not sure how you do that.