BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented timing gear.
Uh-huh.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On 1/14/17 9:17 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:57:22 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:40:27 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:35 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 05:29:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/13/2017 11:35 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
Mr. Luddite;1074809 Wrote:
I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow capacity to

handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).



To bad you can't wait until 2019. Ford has a new Ranger pickup coming
out then. A new Bronco is coming out in 2020 and the F-150 will be
getting a 3.0L Powerstroke diesel in 2018. I think down the road that
3.0 diesel will find its way into other Ford products such as the
Ranger, Bronco, Expedition and Explorer.

Is that when the new Ranger is debuting? I'd actually like to wait and
see because according to the press release I saw it will be a
"mid-sized" truck. I really liked the Ranger as did a lot of other
people. You certainly see a lot of them on the road. The problem is
that I am not so sure her Mountaineer will last that long. She uses it
a lot and it has about 175K miles on it now.

The only bad experience I've ever had with Ford products was the 2005
F-350 diesel (6.0L) and it's problems were all related to the
International engine. If those problems hadn't existed I'd probably
still be driving it now.


If you and several others hadn't had so many problems with that diesel engine, I'd probably be
driving a Ford now.


You want problems, expensive problems, you should buy an Audi.

How would you know? You don't own one. Based on a sample size of one that a friend owns?

I've had two, and my second one has needed *nothing* in the way of maintenance other than oil changes. Maybe you should stick to what you know. What is that, other than being an asshole and 7th grade attempts at insults? :)


A close relative owns one. It spends a lot of time in the shop with its
over-engineered systems breaking down.

As I said, a sample size of one. I've actually had experience with four... my two, and two that my wife had from her previous job where cars were provided to the executives. They were all very reliable, with virtually no time in the shop. All vehicle have lemons from time to time. You're experience isn't indicative of the world.

"Improvement is possible. Audi, once described by Consumer Reports as "a sinkhole of service problems," is now the top-ranked European brand in the magazine's annual reliability rankings. Audi, which is one of several Volkswagen (VLKAF) luxury brands, has improved greatly over the last few years, according to the report."

Maybe your relative just has an old, worn out one.


So, it has improved from being a sinkhole...great. :)

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On 1/14/17 9:19 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented timing gear.
Uh-huh.


I believe most of those tests were done with auto transmissions and
since then, Toyota has reprogrammed them to operate more efficiently and
to change gears at different shift points. In any event, the opinions of
someone like you are of no consequence to me.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

Tim Wrote in message:
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-6, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:41:00 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 4:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/13/2017 4:12 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 2:40 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow
capacity to
handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).


That ought to be able to haul a 20 ft Pahkah, his last known,
(thought to be real), boat.


And once again, you display your ignorance. The boat with engine and
gear and fuel was about 3400 pounds, and the trailer added substantially
to that, putting the weight of the full rig way over 3,500 pounds. Stick
to what you know, whatever that might be.


You agree with Luddite's findings then? You overstated your
capacity by a whopping 3000 pounds. Almost twice the real
capacity. I'm wondering if you know anything that really
matters.



I could have sworn that he told us that his Tacoma had the four cylinder
rather than the V6 but apparently I was wrong. The Tacoma with the V6
and the tow package is indeed rated for 6400 lbs towing.

No, I wouldn't have bought a four-cylinder gasoline engine truck. I am,
however, very impressed with the four-cylinder engine in my wife's
Toyota Camry and probably wouldn't consider a car with a V-6 or V-8. The
Camry is peppy, and cruises at interstate speed limits with the engine
loafing.


My new car has a v6. A 2.2 litre 4 with a turbo doesn' t meet my
requirements for the vehicle. Gas mileage is better than my
wife's crv. Go figure.

My wife got the top of the line Subaru to replace the VW diesel. Took it on the trip to Tampa. Very
nice to drive and quite peppy with the four cylinder. In cruise control it automatically slows when
pulling up behind a slower mover, then speeds back up when the lane is changed. Hell, there's
nothing to do but keep the damn thing between the lines. And, without a signal on, the thing beeps
at you when you get too close to a line. Got right around 30mpg for the trip.

wifes 2016 Honda CRV has all the 4cyl pep you need and gets 32-36 with cruise locked on 65


Ours is getting 26 mpg over thousands of miles of mixed driving
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On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:55:23 AM UTC-6, justan wrote:
Tim Wrote in message:
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-6, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:41:00 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 4:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/13/2017 4:12 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 2:40 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow
capacity to
handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).


That ought to be able to haul a 20 ft Pahkah, his last known,
(thought to be real), boat.


And once again, you display your ignorance. The boat with engine and
gear and fuel was about 3400 pounds, and the trailer added substantially
to that, putting the weight of the full rig way over 3,500 pounds. Stick
to what you know, whatever that might be.


You agree with Luddite's findings then? You overstated your
capacity by a whopping 3000 pounds. Almost twice the real
capacity. I'm wondering if you know anything that really
matters.



I could have sworn that he told us that his Tacoma had the four cylinder
rather than the V6 but apparently I was wrong. The Tacoma with the V6
and the tow package is indeed rated for 6400 lbs towing.

No, I wouldn't have bought a four-cylinder gasoline engine truck. I am,
however, very impressed with the four-cylinder engine in my wife's
Toyota Camry and probably wouldn't consider a car with a V-6 or V-8. The
Camry is peppy, and cruises at interstate speed limits with the engine
loafing.


My new car has a v6. A 2.2 litre 4 with a turbo doesn' t meet my
requirements for the vehicle. Gas mileage is better than my
wife's crv. Go figure.

My wife got the top of the line Subaru to replace the VW diesel. Took it on the trip to Tampa. Very
nice to drive and quite peppy with the four cylinder. In cruise control it automatically slows when
pulling up behind a slower mover, then speeds back up when the lane is changed. Hell, there's
nothing to do but keep the damn thing between the lines. And, without a signal on, the thing beeps
at you when you get too close to a line. Got right around 30mpg for the trip.

wifes 2016 Honda CRV has all the 4cyl pep you need and gets 32-36 with cruise locked on 65


Ours is getting 26 mpg over thousands of miles of mixed driving
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Yes, Id say that would be a good assesment. city driving takes it down quite a bit, but still not bad.

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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 10:57 PM, Alex wrote:
Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:05:47 -0500, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow capacity
to handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a
tow capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).
It also has lousy reviews.

No, it has a great review! Funnier than ****:

"For all of Toyotas claims that this is an all-new truck, key
features seem as though Toyota slept
through the past decades advances in truck technology and interior
design.

Todays modern full-sized trucks feature a quiet cabin, a semblance of
handling responsiveness, and
a tolerable ride. But the compact Tacoma has none of that.

Unlike other V6-powered Toyota models, our tested Tacoma never feels
quick from a standing start or
when passingdespite the robust acceleration figures as measured on
our track. Fuel economy with the
not-so-smooth six-speed automatic transmission is 19 mpg overall on
regular gas, quite good for a
truck and a clear improvement over its predecessor.

Out on the road, the Tacomas handling is ponderous, and its slow and
numb steering never connects
the driver to the front wheels. Clearly clumsy around corners, it
never felt unsafe. The chassiss
propensity to jiggle and shudder delivers a Metallica snare-drum beat
to your spine. Wind and engine
noise drown out any chance of conversation, even at modest speeds.
Braking performance is subpar.

Inside, it still has a too-high step-in, a too-low drivers seat, and
a ceiling that scrapes scalps
of those entering the cabin.

The front seats are flat and uncomfortable, have limited support, and
offer only the most basic
adjustments. The rear seat in our crew cab is no better, with hard
padding, cramped leg and foot
room, and short cushionsalthough it flips up to reveal useful storage
bins. Outward visibility is
decent, but the narrow, shallow windows make it less commanding.

Controls are basic and easy to readessential when reaching for some
of the faraway knobs and
buttons."

Excerpted from the June 2016 issue of Consumer Reports magazine.

That's the same review I read. It was uncharacteristic of CR so it must
be really that bad. I'm sure this is what convinced Harry to buy it:
"Controls are basic and easy to read"



I thought the CR review was hilarious. When I bought my 2016 Tacoma, the
only other "choice" for a pickup in that class was the Chevy-GM model
and the Tacomas had a better resale value historically and much better
reliability. I doubt that has changed. The Honda pickup was and still
isn't a real truck and the Dodge offering is...well, the typical
Dodge-Jeep crapola. The Nissan is not a contender.

My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck. I'm getting 22-24
mpg in our suburban area with my manual transmission V-6. The "handling"
is typical pickup truck, exactly what I would expect. There's no chassis
jiggle or shudder. The model I have has heavier duty shocks and springs,
which serve it well off-road.

The step-in is high, but my truck is a 4X4 with a raised suspension.
Duh. I've yet to "scrap" my scalp while getting into the cab.

The reality is, if one of the right-wing deplorables here had the truck,
most of the fellow deplorables would be singing its praise.

I think the testers at CR were looking for a Honda Civic in a truck, as
opposed to...a truck.





You say it isn't a truck. What is it. Interestingly enough, my car
is listed as a truck in the mfr's paperwork. TINO
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On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 4:37:54 AM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/13/2017 11:51 PM, Tim wrote:
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-6, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:41:00 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 4:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/13/2017 4:12 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 2:40 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow
capacity to
handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).


That ought to be able to haul a 20 ft Pahkah, his last known,
(thought to be real), boat.


And once again, you display your ignorance. The boat with engine and
gear and fuel was about 3400 pounds, and the trailer added substantially
to that, putting the weight of the full rig way over 3,500 pounds. Stick
to what you know, whatever that might be.


You agree with Luddite's findings then? You overstated your
capacity by a whopping 3000 pounds. Almost twice the real
capacity. I'm wondering if you know anything that really
matters.



I could have sworn that he told us that his Tacoma had the four cylinder
rather than the V6 but apparently I was wrong. The Tacoma with the V6
and the tow package is indeed rated for 6400 lbs towing.

No, I wouldn't have bought a four-cylinder gasoline engine truck. I am,
however, very impressed with the four-cylinder engine in my wife's
Toyota Camry and probably wouldn't consider a car with a V-6 or V-8. The
Camry is peppy, and cruises at interstate speed limits with the engine
loafing.


My new car has a v6. A 2.2 litre 4 with a turbo doesn' t meet my
requirements for the vehicle. Gas mileage is better than my
wife's crv. Go figure.

My wife got the top of the line Subaru to replace the VW diesel. Took it on the trip to Tampa. Very
nice to drive and quite peppy with the four cylinder. In cruise control it automatically slows when
pulling up behind a slower mover, then speeds back up when the lane is changed. Hell, there's
nothing to do but keep the damn thing between the lines. And, without a signal on, the thing beeps
at you when you get too close to a line. Got right around 30mpg for the trip.

wifes 2016 Honda CRV has all the 4cyl pep you need and gets 32-36 with cruise locked on 65


Does that have the "shiftless" transmission? The Altima has that and
initially it took a little getting used to. Now I like it. Plenty of
acceleration when you need it, even on the highway when you stomp on it.
After driving the truck mostly, I have been amazed at the gas mileage.

Richard under normal acceleration you don't feel the classic 'bump' of the gears, but if you nail it to get around something, it'll drop down and you hear the engine scream. Now that you mention it, that does seem like an interesting, yet odd arrangement.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:39:02 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 9:17 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:57:22 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:40:27 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:35 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 05:29:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/13/2017 11:35 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
Mr. Luddite;1074809 Wrote:
I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow capacity to

handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).



To bad you can't wait until 2019. Ford has a new Ranger pickup coming
out then. A new Bronco is coming out in 2020 and the F-150 will be
getting a 3.0L Powerstroke diesel in 2018. I think down the road that
3.0 diesel will find its way into other Ford products such as the
Ranger, Bronco, Expedition and Explorer.

Is that when the new Ranger is debuting? I'd actually like to wait and
see because according to the press release I saw it will be a
"mid-sized" truck. I really liked the Ranger as did a lot of other
people. You certainly see a lot of them on the road. The problem is
that I am not so sure her Mountaineer will last that long. She uses it
a lot and it has about 175K miles on it now.

The only bad experience I've ever had with Ford products was the 2005
F-350 diesel (6.0L) and it's problems were all related to the
International engine. If those problems hadn't existed I'd probably
still be driving it now.


If you and several others hadn't had so many problems with that diesel engine, I'd probably be
driving a Ford now.


You want problems, expensive problems, you should buy an Audi.

How would you know? You don't own one. Based on a sample size of one that a friend owns?

I've had two, and my second one has needed *nothing* in the way of maintenance other than oil changes. Maybe you should stick to what you know. What is that, other than being an asshole and 7th grade attempts at insults? :)


A close relative owns one. It spends a lot of time in the shop with its
over-engineered systems breaking down.

As I said, a sample size of one. I've actually had experience with four... my two, and two that my wife had from her previous job where cars were provided to the executives. They were all very reliable, with virtually no time in the shop. All vehicle have lemons from time to time. You're experience isn't indicative of the world.

"Improvement is possible. Audi, once described by Consumer Reports as "a sinkhole of service problems," is now the top-ranked European brand in the magazine's annual reliability rankings. Audi, which is one of several Volkswagen (VLKAF) luxury brands, has improved greatly over the last few years, according to the report."

Maybe your relative just has an old, worn out one.


So, it has improved from being a sinkhole... to being the top-ranked European brand in the magazine's annual reliability rankings.

That makes you wrong... again. :)

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Its Me Wrote in message:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.


Ooopsie. Another lie. Anyone keeping track of how many lies Harry
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On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:40:51 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 9:19 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented timing gear.
Uh-huh.


I believe most of those tests were done with auto transmissions and
since then, Toyota has reprogrammed them to operate more efficiently and
to change gears at different shift points. In any event, the opinions of
someone like you are of no consequence to me.

And modern autos are faster than manual transmissions, especially when the manual is shifted by someone like you. You are, as usual, full of ****.

Have a nice day.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/14/17 8:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:40:27 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:35 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 05:29:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/13/2017 11:35 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
Mr. Luddite;1074809 Wrote:
I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow capacity to

handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).



To bad you can't wait until 2019. Ford has a new Ranger pickup coming
out then. A new Bronco is coming out in 2020 and the F-150 will be
getting a 3.0L Powerstroke diesel in 2018. I think down the road that
3.0 diesel will find its way into other Ford products such as the
Ranger, Bronco, Expedition and Explorer.

Is that when the new Ranger is debuting? I'd actually like to wait and
see because according to the press release I saw it will be a
"mid-sized" truck. I really liked the Ranger as did a lot of other
people. You certainly see a lot of them on the road. The problem is
that I am not so sure her Mountaineer will last that long. She uses it
a lot and it has about 175K miles on it now.

The only bad experience I've ever had with Ford products was the 2005
F-350 diesel (6.0L) and it's problems were all related to the
International engine. If those problems hadn't existed I'd probably
still be driving it now.


If you and several others hadn't had so many problems with that diesel engine, I'd probably be
driving a Ford now.


You want problems, expensive problems, you should buy an Audi.

How would you know? You don't own one. Based on a sample size of one that a friend owns?

I've had two, and my second one has needed *nothing* in the way of maintenance other than oil changes. Maybe you should stick to what you know. What is that, other than being an asshole and 7th grade attempts at insults? :)


A close relative owns one. It spends a lot of time in the shop with its
over-engineered systems breaking down.


Might have known you were offering a second hand opinion. Your
first hand too busy pleasuring yourself?
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Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:57:22 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:40:27 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:35 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 05:29:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/13/2017 11:35 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
Mr. Luddite;1074809 Wrote:
I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow capacity to

handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).



To bad you can't wait until 2019. Ford has a new Ranger pickup coming
out then. A new Bronco is coming out in 2020 and the F-150 will be
getting a 3.0L Powerstroke diesel in 2018. I think down the road that
3.0 diesel will find its way into other Ford products such as the
Ranger, Bronco, Expedition and Explorer.

Is that when the new Ranger is debuting? I'd actually like to wait and
see because according to the press release I saw it will be a
"mid-sized" truck. I really liked the Ranger as did a lot of other
people. You certainly see a lot of them on the road. The problem is
that I am not so sure her Mountaineer will last that long. She uses it
a lot and it has about 175K miles on it now.

The only bad experience I've ever had with Ford products was the 2005
F-350 diesel (6.0L) and it's problems were all related to the
International engine. If those problems hadn't existed I'd probably
still be driving it now.


If you and several others hadn't had so many problems with that
diesel engine, I'd probably be
driving a Ford now.


You want problems, expensive problems, you should buy an Audi.

How would you know? You don't own one. Based on a sample size of one
that a friend owns?

I've had two, and my second one has needed *nothing* in the way of
maintenance other than oil changes. Maybe you should stick to what you
know. What is that, other than being an asshole and 7th grade attempts at insults? :)


A close relative owns one. It spends a lot of time in the shop with its
over-engineered systems breaking down.

As I said, a sample size of one. I've actually had experience with
four... my two, and two that my wife had from her previous job where cars
were provided to the executives. They were all very reliable, with
virtually no time in the shop. All vehicle have lemons from time to
time. You're experience isn't indicative of the world.

"Improvement is possible. Audi, once described by Consumer Reports as "a
sinkhole of service problems," is now the top-ranked European brand in
the magazine's annual reliability rankings. Audi, which is one of several
Volkswagen (VLKAF) luxury brands, has improved greatly over the last few
years, according to the report."

Maybe your relative just has an old, worn out one.


My daughter loves her Q7

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:00:07 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

Incidentally, you boychiks left out the best parts of the CR review, the
reasons why the Tacoma is the leading seller in its class:

"While full-sized pickup trucks increasingly adopt luxury trappings,
compact trucks remain utilitarian workhorses. The Tacoma is a reliable
but down-and-dirty example of function trumping form.


'Simply put, the Tacoma is the perfect truck for landscapers and
contractors.


"This beast of burden has a bulletproof reliability track record, a
tough-as-nails chassis, and a durable composite-*plastic bed. For
off-roading adventures, the capable Tacoma has few peers.

"True to its heritage as a work truck, the Tacoma admirably tolerates
those sorts of duties. It trundled up our rock hill with ease. The
damped tailgate is a charm to lower but a chore to raise. And though it
varies based on the body and power*train, our truck is rated to tow
6,400 pounds—that’s a 23-foot Airstream trailer, folks."

Have nice day, truck poseurs.


I posted the funny part - which is what made a great review of a mediocre truck.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On 1/14/2017 10:10 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:40:51 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 9:19 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented timing gear.
Uh-huh.


I believe most of those tests were done with auto transmissions and
since then, Toyota has reprogrammed them to operate more efficiently and
to change gears at different shift points. In any event, the opinions of
someone like you are of no consequence to me.

And modern autos are faster than manual transmissions, especially when the manual is shifted by someone like you. You are, as usual, full of ****.

Have a nice day.



I've never driven a Tacoma 4x4 with the V6 so I don't have first hand
knowledge of how it performs. However, Harry claimed 0-60 times of
"under 8 seconds, closer to 7". Professional testers recorded times of
"over 8" which frankly makes a lot more sense. Harry's claim raised my
eyebrows slightly, especially when he has previously claimed his truck
weighs close to 4,400 lbs.

In a 0-60 acceleration test the difference of 1 second is *HUGE* in
terms of performance. It's usually broken down to tenths of seconds.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On 1/14/2017 9:58 AM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:55:23 AM UTC-6, justan wrote:
Tim Wrote in message:
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-6, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:41:00 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 4:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/13/2017 4:12 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 2:40 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow
capacity to
handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).


That ought to be able to haul a 20 ft Pahkah, his last known,
(thought to be real), boat.


And once again, you display your ignorance. The boat with engine and
gear and fuel was about 3400 pounds, and the trailer added substantially
to that, putting the weight of the full rig way over 3,500 pounds. Stick
to what you know, whatever that might be.


You agree with Luddite's findings then? You overstated your
capacity by a whopping 3000 pounds. Almost twice the real
capacity. I'm wondering if you know anything that really
matters.



I could have sworn that he told us that his Tacoma had the four cylinder
rather than the V6 but apparently I was wrong. The Tacoma with the V6
and the tow package is indeed rated for 6400 lbs towing.

No, I wouldn't have bought a four-cylinder gasoline engine truck. I am,
however, very impressed with the four-cylinder engine in my wife's
Toyota Camry and probably wouldn't consider a car with a V-6 or V-8. The
Camry is peppy, and cruises at interstate speed limits with the engine
loafing.


My new car has a v6. A 2.2 litre 4 with a turbo doesn' t meet my
requirements for the vehicle. Gas mileage is better than my
wife's crv. Go figure.

My wife got the top of the line Subaru to replace the VW diesel. Took it on the trip to Tampa. Very
nice to drive and quite peppy with the four cylinder. In cruise control it automatically slows when
pulling up behind a slower mover, then speeds back up when the lane is changed. Hell, there's
nothing to do but keep the damn thing between the lines. And, without a signal on, the thing beeps
at you when you get too close to a line. Got right around 30mpg for the trip.

wifes 2016 Honda CRV has all the 4cyl pep you need and gets 32-36 with cruise locked on 65


Ours is getting 26 mpg over thousands of miles of mixed driving
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Yes, Id say that would be a good assesment. city driving takes it down quite a bit, but still not bad.



I get a consistent 30-31 mpg (mostly non-highway) except for during the
winter. It drops to about 26-28 mpg, mainly because I use the remote
start and let it warm up for 5-10 minutes before I head out for coffee
early in the morning. It has heated seats and a heated steering wheel
which is very much appreciated this time of year. :-)

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On 1/14/2017 10:07 AM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 4:37:54 AM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/13/2017 11:51 PM, Tim wrote:
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-6, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:41:00 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 4:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/13/2017 4:12 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 2:40 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow
capacity to
handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).


That ought to be able to haul a 20 ft Pahkah, his last known,
(thought to be real), boat.


And once again, you display your ignorance. The boat with engine and
gear and fuel was about 3400 pounds, and the trailer added substantially
to that, putting the weight of the full rig way over 3,500 pounds. Stick
to what you know, whatever that might be.


You agree with Luddite's findings then? You overstated your
capacity by a whopping 3000 pounds. Almost twice the real
capacity. I'm wondering if you know anything that really
matters.



I could have sworn that he told us that his Tacoma had the four cylinder
rather than the V6 but apparently I was wrong. The Tacoma with the V6
and the tow package is indeed rated for 6400 lbs towing.

No, I wouldn't have bought a four-cylinder gasoline engine truck. I am,
however, very impressed with the four-cylinder engine in my wife's
Toyota Camry and probably wouldn't consider a car with a V-6 or V-8. The
Camry is peppy, and cruises at interstate speed limits with the engine
loafing.


My new car has a v6. A 2.2 litre 4 with a turbo doesn' t meet my
requirements for the vehicle. Gas mileage is better than my
wife's crv. Go figure.

My wife got the top of the line Subaru to replace the VW diesel. Took it on the trip to Tampa. Very
nice to drive and quite peppy with the four cylinder. In cruise control it automatically slows when
pulling up behind a slower mover, then speeds back up when the lane is changed. Hell, there's
nothing to do but keep the damn thing between the lines. And, without a signal on, the thing beeps
at you when you get too close to a line. Got right around 30mpg for the trip.

wifes 2016 Honda CRV has all the 4cyl pep you need and gets 32-36 with cruise locked on 65


Does that have the "shiftless" transmission? The Altima has that and
initially it took a little getting used to. Now I like it. Plenty of
acceleration when you need it, even on the highway when you stomp on it.
After driving the truck mostly, I have been amazed at the gas mileage.

Richard under normal acceleration you don't feel the classic 'bump' of the gears, but if you nail it to get around something, it'll drop down and you hear the engine scream. Now that you mention it, that does seem like an interesting, yet odd arrangement.



If I am just driving along and then suddenly "nail it" the transmission
will very briefly feel like it is slipping while the engine raises in
RPM but then it grabs hard and accelerates the car. It happens so fast
that you don't really realize what just happened.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On 1/14/17 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:00:07 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

Incidentally, you boychiks left out the best parts of the CR review, the
reasons why the Tacoma is the leading seller in its class:

"While full-sized pickup trucks increasingly adopt luxury trappings,
compact trucks remain utilitarian workhorses. The Tacoma is a reliable
but down-and-dirty example of function trumping form.


'Simply put, the Tacoma is the perfect truck for landscapers and
contractors.


"This beast of burden has a bulletproof reliability track record, a
tough-as-nails chassis, and a durable composite-*plastic bed. For
off-roading adventures, the capable Tacoma has few peers.

"True to its heritage as a work truck, the Tacoma admirably tolerates
those sorts of duties. It trundled up our rock hill with ease. The
damped tailgate is a charm to lower but a chore to raise. And though it
varies based on the body and power*train, our truck is rated to tow
6,400 pounds—that’s a 23-foot Airstream trailer, folks."

Have nice day, truck poseurs.


I posted the funny part - which is what made a great review of a mediocre truck.


No, **** for brains, the Tacoma is a great *truck* but it is a lousy
sports car. I bought it because of its truck abilities and how it
matched my particular truck needs. And unlike that p.o.s. oversized
truck you don't drive much because of its size and fuel burn, I get
pretty decent mileage.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On 1/14/2017 2:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:00:07 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical
music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds
and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with
professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

Incidentally, you boychiks left out the best parts of the CR review, the
reasons why the Tacoma is the leading seller in its class:

"While full-sized pickup trucks increasingly adopt luxury trappings,
compact trucks remain utilitarian workhorses. The Tacoma is a reliable
but down-and-dirty example of function trumping form.


'Simply put, the Tacoma is the perfect truck for landscapers and
contractors.


"This beast of burden has a bulletproof reliability track record, a
tough-as-nails chassis, and a durable composite-*plastic bed. For
off-roading adventures, the capable Tacoma has few peers.

"True to its heritage as a work truck, the Tacoma admirably tolerates
those sorts of duties. It trundled up our rock hill with ease. The
damped tailgate is a charm to lower but a chore to raise. And though it
varies based on the body and power*train, our truck is rated to tow
6,400 pounds—that’s a 23-foot Airstream trailer, folks."

Have nice day, truck poseurs.


I posted the funny part - which is what made a great review of a
mediocre truck.




No, **** for brains, the Tacoma is a great *truck* but it is a lousy
sports car. I bought it because of its truck abilities and how it
matched my particular truck needs. And unlike that p.o.s. oversized
truck you don't drive much because of its size and fuel burn, I get
pretty decent mileage.

John's truck matches his particular truck needs, just like the Tacoma
matches yours. Try towing his fifth wheel up and down a few hills and
see if you have a clutch or engine left.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On 1/14/17 1:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/14/2017 10:10 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:40:51 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 9:19 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite
classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8
seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds,
with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it,
and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times
that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented
timing gear.
Uh-huh.


I believe most of those tests were done with auto transmissions and
since then, Toyota has reprogrammed them to operate more efficiently and
to change gears at different shift points. In any event, the opinions of
someone like you are of no consequence to me.

And modern autos are faster than manual transmissions, especially when
the manual is shifted by someone like you. You are, as usual, full of
****.

Have a nice day.



I've never driven a Tacoma 4x4 with the V6 so I don't have first hand
knowledge of how it performs. However, Harry claimed 0-60 times of
"under 8 seconds, closer to 7". Professional testers recorded times of
"over 8" which frankly makes a lot more sense. Harry's claim raised my
eyebrows slightly, especially when he has previously claimed his truck
weighs close to 4,400 lbs.

In a 0-60 acceleration test the difference of 1 second is *HUGE* in
terms of performance. It's usually broken down to tenths of seconds.



The test results you saw were published months before Toyota reshuffled
the tuning on the auto transmission.

And, as I stated:

Toyota sent us two V-6-powered Tacomas to sample. Although mechanically
identical, the two Double Cab Short Bed (5-foot) trucks couldn’t have
felt more different. The Tacoma SR5 4×2 represented the value-oriented
portion of the Tacoma lineup, and the desert-ready Tacoma TRD Off-Road
4×4 quite tastefully balances the look truck bros want with the off-road
capabilities enthusiasts desire.

The lighter Tacoma SR5 proved to be the quicker of the two at the test
track. ** It ran from 0 to 60 mph in 6.8 seconds and completed the
quarter mile in 15.2 seconds at 91.6 mph. The Tacoma TRD wasn’t too far
behind; it hits 60 mph from a standstill in 7.1 seconds and will run the
quarter mile on tarmac in 15.4 seconds at 91.2 mph. In 60-0-mph braking
tests, the TRD came out ahead, needing 125 feet to come to a stop versus
132 feet for the near-base SR5.

http://tinyurl.com/j3jofat



Dec 2015 By ALEXANDER STOKLOSA Photography By MICHAEL SIMARI


Chevrolet’s recent advertising for its Colorado mid-size pickup, which
courts buyers with the tagline “You know you want a truck,� and features
staged focus groups wherein truck-driving men are viewed as more
datable, has zeroed in on the key purchase driver for trucks: their
implied machismo. The ads are spot-on, but we think they work much
better for the square-jawed, ready-for-anything Toyota Tacoma. Granted,
the updated-for-2016 Toyota lost its first comparison test to the
Colorado, but it has an ace up its sleeve: an available manual
transmission. Put in marketing terms, everyone knows that rowing a
stick, especially with a bed behind you and four-wheel drive under the
chassis, is just plain manly.


Surprisingly, the Tacoma is also fairly comfortable. Our loaded test
truck came optioned with a $650 tri-fold hard tonneau cover for the bed,
as well as the $2980 Premium and Technology package, which added
dual-zone automatic climate control, heated front seats, rear parking
sensors, blind-spot monitoring, LED running lights, a sunroof, and
towing equipment. As equipped, our Tacoma stickered for a reasonable
$36,630. The burly suspension swallowed up the worst of Michigan’s roads
at the expense of moderate body roll in hard cornering, the cabin is
quiet at highway speeds, and the dashboard controls are simple and easy
to use.

**The manual Tacoma V-6 continued to bolster its case at the test track,
where it muscled its way to 60 mph in 7.3 seconds, 0.8-second quicker
than the automatic version.** Strangely, our stick-shift truck weighed
in at 4598 pounds, an inexplicable 164 pounds heavier than the
identically equipped automatic-transmission TRD Off-Road 4x4 we sent
into battle with the Colorado. (Toyota’s quoted curb weight for the
manual-transmission Double Cab is 35 pounds lighter than the same model
with the automatic.) The secret to its speed, then, is in the gearing.
Six-cylinder Tacomas optioned with the manual send their 278 horsepower
to the wheels via a shorter first gear and a 4.30:1 final-drive ratio,
while the automatic uses a taller 3.91:1 final-drive, as does the
stick-shift four-cylinder Tacoma. The manual’s accelerative advantage
fades off the line, as evidenced by the automatic Tacoma’s higher trap
speed—but with a slightly slower time—through the quarter-mile.

http://tinyurl.com/j9pjtr7


Have nice day.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On 1/14/17 2:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/14/2017 2:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:00:07 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical
music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds
and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with
professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

Incidentally, you boychiks left out the best parts of the CR review,
the
reasons why the Tacoma is the leading seller in its class:

"While full-sized pickup trucks increasingly adopt luxury trappings,
compact trucks remain utilitarian workhorses. The Tacoma is a reliable
but down-and-dirty example of function trumping form.


'Simply put, the Tacoma is the perfect truck for landscapers and
contractors.


"This beast of burden has a bulletproof reliability track record, a
tough-as-nails chassis, and a durable composite-*plastic bed. For
off-roading adventures, the capable Tacoma has few peers.

"True to its heritage as a work truck, the Tacoma admirably tolerates
those sorts of duties. It trundled up our rock hill with ease. The
damped tailgate is a charm to lower but a chore to raise. And though it
varies based on the body and power*train, our truck is rated to tow
6,400 pounds—that’s a 23-foot Airstream trailer, folks."

Have nice day, truck poseurs.


I posted the funny part - which is what made a great review of a
mediocre truck.




No, **** for brains, the Tacoma is a great *truck* but it is a lousy
sports car. I bought it because of its truck abilities and how it
matched my particular truck needs. And unlike that p.o.s. oversized
truck you don't drive much because of its size and fuel burn, I get
pretty decent mileage.

John's truck matches his particular truck needs, just like the Tacoma
matches yours. Try towing his fifth wheel up and down a few hills and
see if you have a clutch or engine left.




I have no interest in oversized trucks and portable motel rooms, but I
do like a truck that doesn't give me pause when I want to drive it to
the supermarket.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On 1/14/2017 2:49 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 1:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/14/2017 10:10 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:40:51 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 9:19 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze
wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite
classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8
seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds,
with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it,
and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times
that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented
timing gear.
Uh-huh.


I believe most of those tests were done with auto transmissions and
since then, Toyota has reprogrammed them to operate more efficiently
and
to change gears at different shift points. In any event, the
opinions of
someone like you are of no consequence to me.

And modern autos are faster than manual transmissions, especially when
the manual is shifted by someone like you. You are, as usual, full of
****.

Have a nice day.



I've never driven a Tacoma 4x4 with the V6 so I don't have first hand
knowledge of how it performs. However, Harry claimed 0-60 times of
"under 8 seconds, closer to 7". Professional testers recorded times of
"over 8" which frankly makes a lot more sense. Harry's claim raised my
eyebrows slightly, especially when he has previously claimed his truck
weighs close to 4,400 lbs.

In a 0-60 acceleration test the difference of 1 second is *HUGE* in
terms of performance. It's usually broken down to tenths of seconds.



The test results you saw were published months before Toyota reshuffled
the tuning on the auto transmission.

And, as I stated:

Toyota sent us two V-6-powered Tacomas to sample. Although mechanically
identical, the two Double Cab Short Bed (5-foot) trucks couldn’t have
felt more different. The Tacoma SR5 4×2 represented the value-oriented
portion of the Tacoma lineup, and the desert-ready Tacoma TRD Off-Road
4×4 quite tastefully balances the look truck bros want with the off-road
capabilities enthusiasts desire.

The lighter Tacoma SR5 proved to be the quicker of the two at the test
track. ** It ran from 0 to 60 mph in 6.8 seconds and completed the
quarter mile in 15.2 seconds at 91.6 mph. The Tacoma TRD wasn’t too far
behind; it hits 60 mph from a standstill in 7.1 seconds and will run the
quarter mile on tarmac in 15.4 seconds at 91.2 mph. In 60-0-mph braking
tests, the TRD came out ahead, needing 125 feet to come to a stop versus
132 feet for the near-base SR5.

http://tinyurl.com/j3jofat



Dec 2015 By ALEXANDER STOKLOSA Photography By MICHAEL SIMARI


Chevrolet’s recent advertising for its Colorado mid-size pickup, which
courts buyers with the tagline “You know you want a truck,� and features
staged focus groups wherein truck-driving men are viewed as more
datable, has zeroed in on the key purchase driver for trucks: their
implied machismo. The ads are spot-on, but we think they work much
better for the square-jawed, ready-for-anything Toyota Tacoma. Granted,
the updated-for-2016 Toyota lost its first comparison test to the
Colorado, but it has an ace up its sleeve: an available manual
transmission. Put in marketing terms, everyone knows that rowing a
stick, especially with a bed behind you and four-wheel drive under the
chassis, is just plain manly.


Surprisingly, the Tacoma is also fairly comfortable. Our loaded test
truck came optioned with a $650 tri-fold hard tonneau cover for the bed,
as well as the $2980 Premium and Technology package, which added
dual-zone automatic climate control, heated front seats, rear parking
sensors, blind-spot monitoring, LED running lights, a sunroof, and
towing equipment. As equipped, our Tacoma stickered for a reasonable
$36,630. The burly suspension swallowed up the worst of Michigan’s roads
at the expense of moderate body roll in hard cornering, the cabin is
quiet at highway speeds, and the dashboard controls are simple and easy
to use.

**The manual Tacoma V-6 continued to bolster its case at the test track,
where it muscled its way to 60 mph in 7.3 seconds, 0.8-second quicker
than the automatic version.** Strangely, our stick-shift truck weighed
in at 4598 pounds, an inexplicable 164 pounds heavier than the
identically equipped automatic-transmission TRD Off-Road 4x4 we sent
into battle with the Colorado. (Toyota’s quoted curb weight for the
manual-transmission Double Cab is 35 pounds lighter than the same model
with the automatic.) The secret to its speed, then, is in the gearing.
Six-cylinder Tacomas optioned with the manual send their 278 horsepower
to the wheels via a shorter first gear and a 4.30:1 final-drive ratio,
while the automatic uses a taller 3.91:1 final-drive, as does the
stick-shift four-cylinder Tacoma. The manual’s accelerative advantage
fades off the line, as evidenced by the automatic Tacoma’s higher trap
speed—but with a slightly slower time—through the quarter-mile.

http://tinyurl.com/j9pjtr7


Have nice day.


I just read Motor Trend's test of the Tacoma TRD and was about to
concede that you were 100 percent correct. You beat me to the punch
with the above info.

That *is* respectable performance for a 6 cylinder truck.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:56:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/14/2017 2:49 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 1:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/14/2017 10:10 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:40:51 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 9:19 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze
wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite
classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8
seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds,
with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it,
and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times
that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented
timing gear.
Uh-huh.


I believe most of those tests were done with auto transmissions and
since then, Toyota has reprogrammed them to operate more efficiently
and
to change gears at different shift points. In any event, the
opinions of
someone like you are of no consequence to me.

And modern autos are faster than manual transmissions, especially when
the manual is shifted by someone like you. You are, as usual, full of
****.

Have a nice day.



I've never driven a Tacoma 4x4 with the V6 so I don't have first hand
knowledge of how it performs. However, Harry claimed 0-60 times of
"under 8 seconds, closer to 7". Professional testers recorded times of
"over 8" which frankly makes a lot more sense. Harry's claim raised my
eyebrows slightly, especially when he has previously claimed his truck
weighs close to 4,400 lbs.

In a 0-60 acceleration test the difference of 1 second is *HUGE* in
terms of performance. It's usually broken down to tenths of seconds.



The test results you saw were published months before Toyota reshuffled
the tuning on the auto transmission.

And, as I stated:

Toyota sent us two V-6-powered Tacomas to sample. Although mechanically
identical, the two Double Cab Short Bed (5-foot) trucks couldn’t have
felt more different. The Tacoma SR5 4×2 represented the value-oriented
portion of the Tacoma lineup, and the desert-ready Tacoma TRD Off-Road
4×4 quite tastefully balances the look truck bros want with the off-road
capabilities enthusiasts desire.

The lighter Tacoma SR5 proved to be the quicker of the two at the test
track. ** It ran from 0 to 60 mph in 6.8 seconds and completed the
quarter mile in 15.2 seconds at 91.6 mph. The Tacoma TRD wasn’t too far
behind; it hits 60 mph from a standstill in 7.1 seconds and will run the
quarter mile on tarmac in 15.4 seconds at 91.2 mph. In 60-0-mph braking
tests, the TRD came out ahead, needing 125 feet to come to a stop versus
132 feet for the near-base SR5.

http://tinyurl.com/j3jofat



Dec 2015 By ALEXANDER STOKLOSA Photography By MICHAEL SIMARI


Chevrolet’s recent advertising for its Colorado mid-size pickup, which
courts buyers with the tagline “You know you want a truck,” and features
staged focus groups wherein truck-driving men are viewed as more
datable, has zeroed in on the key purchase driver for trucks: their
implied machismo. The ads are spot-on, but we think they work much
better for the square-jawed, ready-for-anything Toyota Tacoma. Granted,
the updated-for-2016 Toyota lost its first comparison test to the
Colorado, but it has an ace up its sleeve: an available manual
transmission. Put in marketing terms, everyone knows that rowing a
stick, especially with a bed behind you and four-wheel drive under the
chassis, is just plain manly.


Surprisingly, the Tacoma is also fairly comfortable. Our loaded test
truck came optioned with a $650 tri-fold hard tonneau cover for the bed,
as well as the $2980 Premium and Technology package, which added
dual-zone automatic climate control, heated front seats, rear parking
sensors, blind-spot monitoring, LED running lights, a sunroof, and
towing equipment. As equipped, our Tacoma stickered for a reasonable
$36,630. The burly suspension swallowed up the worst of Michigan’s roads
at the expense of moderate body roll in hard cornering, the cabin is
quiet at highway speeds, and the dashboard controls are simple and easy
to use.

**The manual Tacoma V-6 continued to bolster its case at the test track,
where it muscled its way to 60 mph in 7.3 seconds, 0.8-second quicker
than the automatic version.** Strangely, our stick-shift truck weighed
in at 4598 pounds, an inexplicable 164 pounds heavier than the
identically equipped automatic-transmission TRD Off-Road 4x4 we sent
into battle with the Colorado. (Toyota’s quoted curb weight for the
manual-transmission Double Cab is 35 pounds lighter than the same model
with the automatic.) The secret to its speed, then, is in the gearing.
Six-cylinder Tacomas optioned with the manual send their 278 horsepower
to the wheels via a shorter first gear and a 4.30:1 final-drive ratio,
while the automatic uses a taller 3.91:1 final-drive, as does the
stick-shift four-cylinder Tacoma. The manual’s accelerative advantage
fades off the line, as evidenced by the automatic Tacoma’s higher trap
speed—but with a slightly slower time—through the quarter-mile.

http://tinyurl.com/j9pjtr7


Have nice day.


I just read Motor Trend's test of the Tacoma TRD and was about to
concede that you were 100 percent correct. You beat me to the punch
with the above info.

That *is* respectable performance for a 6 cylinder truck.


See, Harry, that's what an upstanding individual does when he makes a mistake. You should take some
lessons.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 2:56:20 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/14/2017 2:49 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 1:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/14/2017 10:10 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:40:51 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 9:19 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze
wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite
classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8
seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds,
with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it,
and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times
that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented
timing gear.
Uh-huh.


I believe most of those tests were done with auto transmissions and
since then, Toyota has reprogrammed them to operate more efficiently
and
to change gears at different shift points. In any event, the
opinions of
someone like you are of no consequence to me.

And modern autos are faster than manual transmissions, especially when
the manual is shifted by someone like you. You are, as usual, full of
****.

Have a nice day.



I've never driven a Tacoma 4x4 with the V6 so I don't have first hand
knowledge of how it performs. However, Harry claimed 0-60 times of
"under 8 seconds, closer to 7". Professional testers recorded times of
"over 8" which frankly makes a lot more sense. Harry's claim raised my
eyebrows slightly, especially when he has previously claimed his truck
weighs close to 4,400 lbs.

In a 0-60 acceleration test the difference of 1 second is *HUGE* in
terms of performance. It's usually broken down to tenths of seconds.



The test results you saw were published months before Toyota reshuffled
the tuning on the auto transmission.

And, as I stated:

Toyota sent us two V-6-powered Tacomas to sample. Although mechanically
identical, the two Double Cab Short Bed (5-foot) trucks couldn’t have
felt more different. The Tacoma SR5 4×2 represented the value-oriented
portion of the Tacoma lineup, and the desert-ready Tacoma TRD Off-Road
4×4 quite tastefully balances the look truck bros want with the off-road
capabilities enthusiasts desire.

The lighter Tacoma SR5 proved to be the quicker of the two at the test
track. ** It ran from 0 to 60 mph in 6.8 seconds and completed the
quarter mile in 15.2 seconds at 91.6 mph. The Tacoma TRD wasn’t too far
behind; it hits 60 mph from a standstill in 7.1 seconds and will run the
quarter mile on tarmac in 15.4 seconds at 91.2 mph. In 60-0-mph braking
tests, the TRD came out ahead, needing 125 feet to come to a stop versus
132 feet for the near-base SR5.

http://tinyurl.com/j3jofat



Dec 2015 By ALEXANDER STOKLOSA Photography By MICHAEL SIMARI


Chevrolet’s recent advertising for its Colorado mid-size pickup, which
courts buyers with the tagline “You know you want a truck,� and features
staged focus groups wherein truck-driving men are viewed as more
datable, has zeroed in on the key purchase driver for trucks: their
implied machismo. The ads are spot-on, but we think they work much
better for the square-jawed, ready-for-anything Toyota Tacoma. Granted,
the updated-for-2016 Toyota lost its first comparison test to the
Colorado, but it has an ace up its sleeve: an available manual
transmission. Put in marketing terms, everyone knows that rowing a
stick, especially with a bed behind you and four-wheel drive under the
chassis, is just plain manly.


Surprisingly, the Tacoma is also fairly comfortable. Our loaded test
truck came optioned with a $650 tri-fold hard tonneau cover for the bed,
as well as the $2980 Premium and Technology package, which added
dual-zone automatic climate control, heated front seats, rear parking
sensors, blind-spot monitoring, LED running lights, a sunroof, and
towing equipment. As equipped, our Tacoma stickered for a reasonable
$36,630. The burly suspension swallowed up the worst of Michigan’s roads
at the expense of moderate body roll in hard cornering, the cabin is
quiet at highway speeds, and the dashboard controls are simple and easy
to use.

**The manual Tacoma V-6 continued to bolster its case at the test track,
where it muscled its way to 60 mph in 7.3 seconds, 0.8-second quicker
than the automatic version.** Strangely, our stick-shift truck weighed
in at 4598 pounds, an inexplicable 164 pounds heavier than the
identically equipped automatic-transmission TRD Off-Road 4x4 we sent
into battle with the Colorado. (Toyota’s quoted curb weight for the
manual-transmission Double Cab is 35 pounds lighter than the same model
with the automatic.) The secret to its speed, then, is in the gearing.
Six-cylinder Tacomas optioned with the manual send their 278 horsepower
to the wheels via a shorter first gear and a 4.30:1 final-drive ratio,
while the automatic uses a taller 3.91:1 final-drive, as does the
stick-shift four-cylinder Tacoma. The manual’s accelerative advantage
fades off the line, as evidenced by the automatic Tacoma’s higher trap
speed—but with a slightly slower time—through the quarter-mile.

http://tinyurl.com/j9pjtr7


Have nice day.


I just read Motor Trend's test of the Tacoma TRD and was about to
concede that you were 100 percent correct. You beat me to the punch
with the above info.

That *is* respectable performance for a 6 cylinder truck.

The manual has a higher ratio rear end, so it is quicker off the line. However, harry says he (admittedly) doesn't shift a manual very well, so his claims to have run the truck as fast as an expert driver fall short.

"In Edmunds performance testing of two TRD Off-Road Double Cab V6 models with the automatic, we recorded an average acceleration time to 60 mph of 8.3 seconds, which is slower than the four-wheel-drive Colorado V6. A TRD Sport Double Cab V6 we tested hit 60 in a slightly better 8.2 seconds."

C&D and R&T are known for fudging the numbers and giving glowing reviews of vehicles. And why not? They make their money from advertising, and they certainly don't want to **** off their providers of income.

The Taco is a decent little truck.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:35 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 05:29:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/13/2017 11:35 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
Mr. Luddite;1074809 Wrote:
I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the
F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow
capacity to

handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a
tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the
four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).



To bad you can't wait until 2019. Ford has a new Ranger pickup coming
out then. A new Bronco is coming out in 2020 and the F-150 will be
getting a 3.0L Powerstroke diesel in 2018. I think down the road that
3.0 diesel will find its way into other Ford products such as the
Ranger, Bronco, Expedition and Explorer.

Is that when the new Ranger is debuting? I'd actually like to wait and
see because according to the press release I saw it will be a
"mid-sized" truck. I really liked the Ranger as did a lot of other
people. You certainly see a lot of them on the road. The problem is
that I am not so sure her Mountaineer will last that long. She uses it
a lot and it has about 175K miles on it now.

The only bad experience I've ever had with Ford products was the 2005
F-350 diesel (6.0L) and it's problems were all related to the
International engine. If those problems hadn't existed I'd probably
still be driving it now.


If you and several others hadn't had so many problems with that
diesel engine, I'd probably be
driving a Ford now.


You want problems, expensive problems, you should buy an Audi.


From what year? 1970? They have come a long way and are at the top of
their game. They are giving BMW and MB a run for their money.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:

My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.
The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.

He's a superprofessional (TM).

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical
music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with
professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it,
and I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

Incidentally, you boychiks left out the best parts of the CR review,
the reasons why the Tacoma is the leading seller in its class:

"While full-sized pickup trucks increasingly adopt luxury trappings,
compact trucks remain utilitarian workhorses. The Tacoma is a reliable
but down-and-dirty example of function trumping form.


'Simply put, the Tacoma is the perfect truck for landscapers and
contractors.


"This beast of burden has a bulletproof reliability track record, a
tough-as-nails chassis, and a durable composite-Â*plastic bed. For
off-roading adventures, the capable Tacoma has few peers.

"True to its heritage as a work truck, the Tacoma admirably tolerates
those sorts of duties. It trundled up our rock hill with ease. The
damped tailgate is a charm to lower but a chore to raise. And though
it varies based on the body and powerÂ*train, our truck is rated to tow
6,400 pounds—that’s a 23-foot Airstream trailer, folks."

Have nice day, truck poseurs.



You timed it? I call BS once again...

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

Tim wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 4:37:54 AM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/13/2017 11:51 PM, Tim wrote:
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-6, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:41:00 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 4:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/13/2017 4:12 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 2:40 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow
capacity to
handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).

That ought to be able to haul a 20 ft Pahkah, his last known,
(thought to be real), boat.

And once again, you display your ignorance. The boat with engine and
gear and fuel was about 3400 pounds, and the trailer added substantially
to that, putting the weight of the full rig way over 3,500 pounds. Stick
to what you know, whatever that might be.

You agree with Luddite's findings then? You overstated your
capacity by a whopping 3000 pounds. Almost twice the real
capacity. I'm wondering if you know anything that really
matters.


I could have sworn that he told us that his Tacoma had the four cylinder
rather than the V6 but apparently I was wrong. The Tacoma with the V6
and the tow package is indeed rated for 6400 lbs towing.
No, I wouldn't have bought a four-cylinder gasoline engine truck. I am,
however, very impressed with the four-cylinder engine in my wife's
Toyota Camry and probably wouldn't consider a car with a V-6 or V-8. The
Camry is peppy, and cruises at interstate speed limits with the engine
loafing.

My new car has a v6. A 2.2 litre 4 with a turbo doesn' t meet my
requirements for the vehicle. Gas mileage is better than my
wife's crv. Go figure.
My wife got the top of the line Subaru to replace the VW diesel. Took it on the trip to Tampa. Very
nice to drive and quite peppy with the four cylinder. In cruise control it automatically slows when
pulling up behind a slower mover, then speeds back up when the lane is changed. Hell, there's
nothing to do but keep the damn thing between the lines. And, without a signal on, the thing beeps
at you when you get too close to a line. Got right around 30mpg for the trip.
wifes 2016 Honda CRV has all the 4cyl pep you need and gets 32-36 with cruise locked on 65

Does that have the "shiftless" transmission? The Altima has that and
initially it took a little getting used to. Now I like it. Plenty of
acceleration when you need it, even on the highway when you stomp on it.
After driving the truck mostly, I have been amazed at the gas mileage.
Richard under normal acceleration you don't feel the classic 'bump' of the gears, but if you nail it to get around something, it'll drop down and you hear the engine scream. Now that you mention it, that does seem like an interesting, yet odd arrangement.

I rented a Murano with the CVT and it was strange but very smooth!

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

justan wrote:
Its Me Wrote in message:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:

My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.
The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.

Ooopsie. Another lie. Anyone keeping track of how many lies Harry
has told on rec.boats?

Who can count?

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/14/17 8:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:40:27 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:35 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 05:29:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/13/2017 11:35 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
Mr. Luddite;1074809 Wrote:
I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow capacity to

handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).

To bad you can't wait until 2019. Ford has a new Ranger pickup coming
out then. A new Bronco is coming out in 2020 and the F-150 will be
getting a 3.0L Powerstroke diesel in 2018. I think down the road that
3.0 diesel will find its way into other Ford products such as the
Ranger, Bronco, Expedition and Explorer.
Is that when the new Ranger is debuting? I'd actually like to wait and
see because according to the press release I saw it will be a
"mid-sized" truck. I really liked the Ranger as did a lot of other
people. You certainly see a lot of them on the road. The problem is
that I am not so sure her Mountaineer will last that long. She uses it
a lot and it has about 175K miles on it now.

The only bad experience I've ever had with Ford products was the 2005
F-350 diesel (6.0L) and it's problems were all related to the
International engine. If those problems hadn't existed I'd probably
still be driving it now.

If you and several others hadn't had so many problems with that diesel engine, I'd probably be
driving a Ford now.

You want problems, expensive problems, you should buy an Audi.
How would you know? You don't own one. Based on a sample size of one that a friend owns?

I've had two, and my second one has needed *nothing* in the way of maintenance other than oil changes. Maybe you should stick to what you know. What is that, other than being an asshole and 7th grade attempts at insults? :)

A close relative owns one. It spends a lot of time in the shop with its
over-engineered systems breaking down.

Might have known you were offering a second hand opinion. Your
first hand too busy pleasuring yourself?

Or Don.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:00:07 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical
music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8
seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with
professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

Incidentally, you boychiks left out the best parts of the CR review,
the
reasons why the Tacoma is the leading seller in its class:

"While full-sized pickup trucks increasingly adopt luxury trappings,
compact trucks remain utilitarian workhorses. The Tacoma is a reliable
but down-and-dirty example of function trumping form.


'Simply put, the Tacoma is the perfect truck for landscapers and
contractors.


"This beast of burden has a bulletproof reliability track record, a
tough-as-nails chassis, and a durable composite-*plastic bed. For
off-roading adventures, the capable Tacoma has few peers.

"True to its heritage as a work truck, the Tacoma admirably tolerates
those sorts of duties. It trundled up our rock hill with ease. The
damped tailgate is a charm to lower but a chore to raise. And though it
varies based on the body and power*train, our truck is rated to tow
6,400 pounds—that’s a 23-foot Airstream trailer, folks."

Have nice day, truck poseurs.


I posted the funny part - which is what made a great review of a
mediocre truck.


No, **** for brains, the Tacoma is a great *truck* but it is a lousy
sports car. I bought it because of its truck abilities and how it
matched my particular truck needs. And unlike that p.o.s. oversized
truck you don't drive much because of its size and fuel burn, I get
pretty decent mileage.

No, **** for brains, CR was reporting on it as a pick up truck and
really didn't like it.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Does that have the "shiftless" transmission? The Altima has that and
initially it took a little getting used to. Now I like it. Plenty of
acceleration when you need it, even on the highway when you stomp on it.
After driving the truck mostly, I have been amazed at the gas mileage.

Richard under normal acceleration you don't feel the classic 'bump' of the gears, but if you nail it to get around something, it'll drop down and you hear the engine scream. Now that you mention it, that does seem like an interesting, yet odd arrangement.



If I am just driving along and then suddenly "nail it" the transmission
will very briefly feel like it is slipping while the engine raises in
RPM but then it grabs hard and accelerates the car. It happens so fast
that you don't really realize what just happened.

===

I wonder how it works mechanically, perhaps variable pitch blades in
the torque converter?

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On 1/15/2017 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Does that have the "shiftless" transmission? The Altima has that and
initially it took a little getting used to. Now I like it. Plenty of
acceleration when you need it, even on the highway when you stomp on it.
After driving the truck mostly, I have been amazed at the gas mileage.

Richard under normal acceleration you don't feel the classic 'bump' of the gears, but if you nail it to get around something, it'll drop down and you hear the engine scream. Now that you mention it, that does seem like an interesting, yet odd arrangement.



If I am just driving along and then suddenly "nail it" the transmission
will very briefly feel like it is slipping while the engine raises in
RPM but then it grabs hard and accelerates the car. It happens so fast
that you don't really realize what just happened.

===

I wonder how it works mechanically, perhaps variable pitch blades in
the torque converter?



You got me curious as well ... this website explains it pretty well:


https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-advice/continuously-variable-transmission-explained/

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On Sunday, 15 January 2017 17:55:44 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/15/2017 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Does that have the "shiftless" transmission? The Altima has that and
initially it took a little getting used to. Now I like it. Plenty of
acceleration when you need it, even on the highway when you stomp on it.
After driving the truck mostly, I have been amazed at the gas mileage.

Richard under normal acceleration you don't feel the classic 'bump' of the gears, but if you nail it to get around something, it'll drop down and you hear the engine scream. Now that you mention it, that does seem like an interesting, yet odd arrangement.



If I am just driving along and then suddenly "nail it" the transmission
will very briefly feel like it is slipping while the engine raises in
RPM but then it grabs hard and accelerates the car. It happens so fast
that you don't really realize what just happened.

===

I wonder how it works mechanically, perhaps variable pitch blades in
the torque converter?



You got me curious as well ... this website explains it pretty well:


https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-advice/continuously-variable-transmission-explained/


I've heard the "rubber band" thing before and some of the testers on our car shows up here make a point of saying they don't like the CVT. I'll see how they work out by the time I'm shopping for a new vehicle in about 6-10 years into the future.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On 1/15/2017 5:08 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 15 January 2017 17:55:44 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/15/2017 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Does that have the "shiftless" transmission? The Altima has that and
initially it took a little getting used to. Now I like it. Plenty of
acceleration when you need it, even on the highway when you stomp on it.
After driving the truck mostly, I have been amazed at the gas mileage.

Richard under normal acceleration you don't feel the classic 'bump' of the gears, but if you nail it to get around something, it'll drop down and you hear the engine scream. Now that you mention it, that does seem like an interesting, yet odd arrangement.



If I am just driving along and then suddenly "nail it" the transmission
will very briefly feel like it is slipping while the engine raises in
RPM but then it grabs hard and accelerates the car. It happens so fast
that you don't really realize what just happened.

===

I wonder how it works mechanically, perhaps variable pitch blades in
the torque converter?



You got me curious as well ... this website explains it pretty well:


https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-advice/continuously-variable-transmission-explained/



I've heard the "rubber band" thing before and some of the testers on our car shows up here make a point of saying they don't like the CVT. I'll see how they work out by the time I'm shopping for a new vehicle in about 6-10 years into the future.


If you have never driven a car with the CVT transmission it initially
feels odd but after a while you really don't notice the lack of
traditional gear changes. It is much smoother in operation and I can
see how it adds to better gas mileage. The system picks an optimum
engine RPM for the load and adjusts the transmission to an infinitely
variable ratio to best use the torque being developed.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 16:55:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/15/2017 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Does that have the "shiftless" transmission? The Altima has that and
initially it took a little getting used to. Now I like it. Plenty of
acceleration when you need it, even on the highway when you stomp on it.
After driving the truck mostly, I have been amazed at the gas mileage.

Richard under normal acceleration you don't feel the classic 'bump' of the gears, but if you nail it to get around something, it'll drop down and you hear the engine scream. Now that you mention it, that does seem like an interesting, yet odd arrangement.



If I am just driving along and then suddenly "nail it" the transmission
will very briefly feel like it is slipping while the engine raises in
RPM but then it grabs hard and accelerates the car. It happens so fast
that you don't really realize what just happened.

===

I wonder how it works mechanically, perhaps variable pitch blades in
the torque converter?



You got me curious as well ... this website explains it pretty well:


https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-advice/continuously-variable-transmission-explained/

Standard transmissions are AM and automatics are FM.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 16:55:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/15/2017 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 13:29:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Does that have the "shiftless" transmission? The Altima has that and
initially it took a little getting used to. Now I like it. Plenty of
acceleration when you need it, even on the highway when you stomp on it.
After driving the truck mostly, I have been amazed at the gas mileage.

Richard under normal acceleration you don't feel the classic 'bump' of the gears, but if you nail it to get around something, it'll drop down and you hear the engine scream. Now that you mention it, that does seem like an interesting, yet odd arrangement.



If I am just driving along and then suddenly "nail it" the transmission
will very briefly feel like it is slipping while the engine raises in
RPM but then it grabs hard and accelerates the car. It happens so fast
that you don't really realize what just happened.

===

I wonder how it works mechanically, perhaps variable pitch blades in
the torque converter?



You got me curious as well ... this website explains it pretty well:


https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-advice/continuously-variable-transmission-explained/

===

Interesting, thanks.

That belt must be super tough.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

Alex wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 4:37:54 AM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/13/2017 11:51 PM, Tim wrote:
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-6, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:41:00 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 4:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/13/2017 4:12 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 2:40 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow
capacity to
handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).

That ought to be able to haul a 20 ft Pahkah, his last known,
(thought to be real), boat.

And once again, you display your ignorance. The boat with engine and
gear and fuel was about 3400 pounds, and the trailer added substantially
to that, putting the weight of the full rig way over 3,500 pounds. Stick
to what you know, whatever that might be.

You agree with Luddite's findings then? You overstated your
capacity by a whopping 3000 pounds. Almost twice the real
capacity. I'm wondering if you know anything that really
matters.


I could have sworn that he told us that his Tacoma had the four cylinder
rather than the V6 but apparently I was wrong. The Tacoma with the V6
and the tow package is indeed rated for 6400 lbs towing.
No, I wouldn't have bought a four-cylinder gasoline engine truck. I am,
however, very impressed with the four-cylinder engine in my wife's
Toyota Camry and probably wouldn't consider a car with a V-6 or V-8. The
Camry is peppy, and cruises at interstate speed limits with the engine
loafing.

My new car has a v6. A 2.2 litre 4 with a turbo doesn' t meet my
requirements for the vehicle. Gas mileage is better than my
wife's crv. Go figure.
My wife got the top of the line Subaru to replace the VW diesel. Took
it on the trip to Tampa. Very
nice to drive and quite peppy with the four cylinder. In cruise control it
automatically slows when
pulling up behind a slower mover, then speeds back up when the lane
is changed. Hell, there's
nothing to do but keep the damn thing between the lines. And, without
a signal on, the thing beeps
at you when you get too close to a line. Got right around 30mpg for the trip.
wifes 2016 Honda CRV has all the 4cyl pep you need and gets 32-36 with
cruise locked on 65

Does that have the "shiftless" transmission? The Altima has that and
initially it took a little getting used to. Now I like it. Plenty of
acceleration when you need it, even on the highway when you stomp on it.
After driving the truck mostly, I have been amazed at the gas mileage.
Richard under normal acceleration you don't feel the classic 'bump' of
the gears, but if you nail it to get around something, it'll drop down
and you hear the engine scream. Now that you mention it, that does seem
like an interesting, yet odd arrangement.

I rented a Murano with the CVT and it was strange but very smooth!


Do not know the design of the car CVT, but my Evenrude snowmobile had a CVT
belt drive. Pulleys changed diameter with speed.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:00:07 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with
professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

Incidentally, you boychiks left out the best parts of the CR review, the
reasons why the Tacoma is the leading seller in its class:

"While full-sized pickup trucks increasingly adopt luxury trappings,
compact trucks remain utilitarian workhorses. The Tacoma is a reliable
but down-and-dirty example of function trumping form.


'Simply put, the Tacoma is the perfect truck for landscapers and
contractors.


"This beast of burden has a bulletproof reliability track record, a
tough-as-nails chassis, and a durable composite-Â*plastic bed. For
off-roading adventures, the capable Tacoma has few peers.

"True to its heritage as a work truck, the Tacoma admirably tolerates
those sorts of duties. It trundled up our rock hill with ease. The
damped tailgate is a charm to lower but a chore to raise. And though it
varies based on the body and powerÂ*train, our truck is rated to tow
6,400 pounds—that’s a 23-foot Airstream trailer, folks."

Have nice day, truck poseurs.


I posted the funny part - which is what made a great review of a mediocre truck.


No, **** for brains, the Tacoma is a great *truck* but it is a lousy
sports car. I bought it because of its truck abilities and how it
matched my particular truck needs. And unlike that p.o.s. oversized
truck you don't drive much because of its size and fuel burn, I get
pretty decent mileage.


John's truck gets decent milage, especially highway. Mine gets 19 freeway,
and the newer ones with a 6 speed get about 21-22. Around town parking is
why wife does not care to take the truck when we go to San Diego. Also
hauls lots more stuff. Tacoma is good for your use. Same as I told one
son in law few years ago. Get a Tacoma extended cab, no 4x4 and will do
you for years. I am thinking of getting a Chevy Volt for around town.
Cents to use the car pool lanes, and goes 50 miles on a charge. And
electric rate for the night use goes down by 2/3rds if you have a plug-in
vehicle.

BTW ... about your Tacoma Harry ...
 

Califbill Wrote in message:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:00:07 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with
professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

Incidentally, you boychiks left out the best parts of the CR review, the
reasons why the Tacoma is the leading seller in its class:

"While full-sized pickup trucks increasingly adopt luxury trappings,
compact trucks remain utilitarian workhorses. The Tacoma is a reliable
but down-and-dirty example of function trumping form.


'Simply put, the Tacoma is the perfect truck for landscapers and
contractors.


"This beast of burden has a bulletproof reliability track record, a
tough-as-nails chassis, and a durable composite-*plastic bed. For
off-roading adventures, the capable Tacoma has few peers.

"True to its heritage as a work truck, the Tacoma admirably tolerates
those sorts of duties. It trundled up our rock hill with ease. The
damped tailgate is a charm to lower but a chore to raise. And though it
varies based on the body and power*train, our truck is rated to tow
6,400 poundsthats a 23-foot Airstream trailer, folks."

Have nice day, truck poseurs.


I posted the funny part - which is what made a great review of a mediocre truck.


No, **** for brains, the Tacoma is a great *truck* but it is a lousy
sports car. I bought it because of its truck abilities and how it
matched my particular truck needs. And unlike that p.o.s. oversized
truck you don't drive much because of its size and fuel burn, I get
pretty decent mileage.


John's truck gets decent milage, especially highway. Mine gets 19 freeway,
and the newer ones with a 6 speed get about 21-22. Around town parking is
why wife does not care to take the truck when we go to San Diego. Also
hauls lots more stuff. Tacoma is good for your use. Same as I told one
son in law few years ago. Get a Tacoma extended cab, no 4x4 and will do
you for years. I am thinking of getting a Chevy Volt for around town.
Cents to use the car pool lanes, and goes 50 miles on a charge. And
electric rate for the night use goes down by 2/3rds if you have a plug-in
vehicle.


Harry got the 4x4 because his redneck image demanded it. He bought
the thing to haul mulch once a year? And what else? Harry's
stories are rediculous.
--
x

Probably sometime in 2018. It will be a mid-sized truck. It is bigger than the original. The new Bronco will be built off the new Ranger platform.