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On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 18:42:35 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: Right wing fiscally. Leftist on social. People saying Hillary won the popular vote. BFD! Th founders of the country made the small fly over country relevant! Maybe you should have studied the Constitution and what lead up to the wording. I have. It was a way to placate the South's slaveowners. That is revisionist bull**** The interesting thing about that is there was never an election that broke down on north/south lines until 1860 so the founder's plan seemed to work fairly well until then, It also shows those "southern slave owners" did not get much political power from the EC. Then you have the simple fact, the majority of southerners did not own any slaves. |
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 18:42:35 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Right wing fiscally. Leftist on social. People saying Hillary won the popular vote. BFD! Th founders of the country made the small fly over country relevant! Maybe you should have studied the Constitution and what lead up to the wording. I have. It was a way to placate the South's slaveowners. That is revisionist bull**** The interesting thing about that is there was never an election that broke down on north/south lines until 1860 so the founder's plan seemed to work fairly well until then, It also shows those "southern slave owners" did not get much political power from the EC. Then you have the simple fact, the majority of southerners did not own any slaves. Slavery was almost done in the US. Was not financially viable. And then the Cotton Gin was invented. Made slavery very profitable. If a mechanical Cotton picker had been invented, then slavery would have died a natural death, and no Civil War. |
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 00:22:28 -0600, Califbill
wrote: I have. It was a way to placate the South's slaveowners. That is revisionist bull**** The interesting thing about that is there was never an election that broke down on north/south lines until 1860 so the founder's plan seemed to work fairly well until then, It also shows those "southern slave owners" did not get much political power from the EC. Then you have the simple fact, the majority of southerners did not own any slaves. Slavery was almost done in the US. Was not financially viable. And then the Cotton Gin was invented. Made slavery very profitable. If a mechanical Cotton picker had been invented, then slavery would have died a natural death, and no Civil War. Guys like Harry ignore the fact that the cotton industry thrived after the civil war and the economics didn't really change that much, nor did the overall cost of labor nor the actual living conditions of the black field workers. They were "free" but they also became responsible for their living expenses that their wages barely covered. The main difference is they had the opportunity to move north and be exploited by northern racists in slave wage sweatshops. |
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 00:22:28 -0600, Califbill wrote: I have. It was a way to placate the South's slaveowners. That is revisionist bull**** The interesting thing about that is there was never an election that broke down on north/south lines until 1860 so the founder's plan seemed to work fairly well until then, It also shows those "southern slave owners" did not get much political power from the EC. Then you have the simple fact, the majority of southerners did not own any slaves. Slavery was almost done in the US. Was not financially viable. And then the Cotton Gin was invented. Made slavery very profitable. If a mechanical Cotton picker had been invented, then slavery would have died a natural death, and no Civil War. Guys like Harry ignore the fact that the cotton industry thrived after the civil war and the economics didn't really change that much, nor did the overall cost of labor nor the actual living conditions of the black field workers. They were "free" but they also became responsible for their living expenses that their wages barely covered. The main difference is they had the opportunity to move north and be exploited by northern racists in slave wage sweatshops. There are suppositions that the Underground Railroad was partly financed by northern industrialists, to get cheap labor. |
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On 1/11/17 4:22 PM, Tim wrote:
2:53 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - I'll have to dig up a used Mao hat. http://tinyurl.com/hxpxozj If Trump doesn't change his tune on those aspects, he is in for endless serious problems. Of course, he was already in line for grief for those, but there are elected members of his party who may hold his tiny feet to the fire on these issues. .... Harry I believe tha as long as trump is president or at least another another conservative then *your* party is in for endless problems... No, Tim, it is the lower income classes who are "in" for endless problems, because Trump and the Repugnants will **** them royally over and over in order to line the pockets of the wealthy. |
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On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 5:37:40 AM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/11/17 4:22 PM, Tim wrote: 2:53 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - I'll have to dig up a used Mao hat. http://tinyurl.com/hxpxozj If Trump doesn't change his tune on those aspects, he is in for endless serious problems. Of course, he was already in line for grief for those, but there are elected members of his party who may hold his tiny feet to the fire on these issues. .... Harry I believe tha as long as trump is president or at least another another conservative then *your* party is in for endless problems... No, Tim, it is the lower income classes who are "in" for endless problems, because Trump and the ans will **** them royally over and over in order to line the pockets of the wealthy. Harry, the 'lower income classes' have had 'endless problems' for years. We get stuck fighting the wars and paying the bills while annually, more strife and debt gets piled on our shoulders. Maybe haven't noticed but over the centuries, that's how it seems to work. You can always count on the middle/little guy taking the porking. Always. The last guy from *your* party wasn't a champion for the "lower income classes" causes either. So, whats new... |
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 06:17:31 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 1/12/17 12:09 AM, wrote: On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 18:42:35 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Right wing fiscally. Leftist on social. People saying Hillary won the popular vote. BFD! Th founders of the country made the small fly over country relevant! Maybe you should have studied the Constitution and what lead up to the wording. I have. It was a way to placate the South's slaveowners. That is revisionist bull**** Sorry, but I'm not willing to accept the opinions and ruminations of a totally uncredentialed, self-described "historian" who thinks slavery should have continued beyond the Civil War. Are you just acting stupid or do you have reading comprehension problems? My contention is that slavery would have fallen from it's own weight if the north and the europeans you hold in such high regard had simply refused to buy slave produced goods. It was a financially driven institution and if the finances stopped making sense, the institution would have failed. After the war the actual conditions for the freed slaves did not change much. Certainly they had the option to quit their job after 1865 but they did not have much opportunity to do anything else. Most stayed on as share croppers or slave wage employees. Living conditions, job safety and actual take home wages were not any better in the coal mines or sweat shops that were staffed by "free men" up north and that continued well into the 20th century (some say even now). |
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 06:37:39 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 1/11/17 4:22 PM, Tim wrote: 2:53 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - I'll have to dig up a used Mao hat. http://tinyurl.com/hxpxozj If Trump doesn't change his tune on those aspects, he is in for endless serious problems. Of course, he was already in line for grief for those, but there are elected members of his party who may hold his tiny feet to the fire on these issues. .... Harry I believe tha as long as trump is president or at least another another conservative then *your* party is in for endless problems... No, Tim, it is the lower income classes who are "in" for endless problems, because Trump and the Repugnants will **** them royally over and over in order to line the pockets of the wealthy. The strange thing about that statement is there are more millionaire/billionaire democrats than there are millionaire republicans. Trump voters are the working class. You only have to look at the election map to see that. The democrats get the masses of votes in the cities from people who do not work at all. |
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