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I have never really been happy with gas grills. It seems some cook too
hot and others do not get hot enough. I have had this old Sams
stainless grill for years and the ability to slow cook something like
chicken is great but if you want a quick steak, it needs more heat.
I decided the trick might be to play with the gas pressure. I have had
a few regulators on this with mixed results so I went with an
adjustable one. That gave me great control of the fire, up to the
point where the flame was coming out the top of the grates. The
industry standard for a "gas grill" bottle regulator is 11" of water.
Using that as a bench mark I went through my junk and came up with a
0-25" gauge. It turns out these bottle regulators suck. I tried 2 of
the 3 I had handy and they do not regulate well and the flow
restriction means if you have all 3 burners going, you might only get
7-8" of pressure. It is really all over the place. I also found out a
little dab will do ya. At the true 11", the burners are pretty hot and
at 15-16 they are really going. I did some steaks tonight playing with
the burner valve and the pressure. I really started feeling like I had
some control of the heat. It seems like far more control than I got
using the burner valve alone. Part of that is the pressure was not
that stable with the original fixed regulators. Now I am going to
start correlating what pressure is optimal with what I am doing.
I would not recommend an adjustable regulator if you do not have a
gauge unless you really like futzing with stuff. I may be looking with
one that is more precise and less range. This thing goes up to 20 PSI
(well over 100" of water) which might be OK for a turkey cooker or a
moonshine still but not useful with a grill.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Grille%20Guage.jpg

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On 1/4/17 10:22 PM, wrote:
I have never really been happy with gas grills. It seems some cook too
hot and others do not get hot enough. I have had this old Sams
stainless grill for years and the ability to slow cook something like
chicken is great but if you want a quick steak, it needs more heat.
I decided the trick might be to play with the gas pressure. I have had
a few regulators on this with mixed results so I went with an
adjustable one. That gave me great control of the fire, up to the
point where the flame was coming out the top of the grates. The
industry standard for a "gas grill" bottle regulator is 11" of water.
Using that as a bench mark I went through my junk and came up with a
0-25" gauge. It turns out these bottle regulators suck. I tried 2 of
the 3 I had handy and they do not regulate well and the flow
restriction means if you have all 3 burners going, you might only get
7-8" of pressure. It is really all over the place. I also found out a
little dab will do ya. At the true 11", the burners are pretty hot and
at 15-16 they are really going. I did some steaks tonight playing with
the burner valve and the pressure. I really started feeling like I had
some control of the heat. It seems like far more control than I got
using the burner valve alone. Part of that is the pressure was not
that stable with the original fixed regulators. Now I am going to
start correlating what pressure is optimal with what I am doing.
I would not recommend an adjustable regulator if you do not have a
gauge unless you really like futzing with stuff. I may be looking with
one that is more precise and less range. This thing goes up to 20 PSI
(well over 100" of water) which might be OK for a turkey cooker or a
moonshine still but not useful with a grill.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Grille%20Guage.jpg



Gee whiz, just how hot does it have to be inside a closed grill to cook
a steak properly and quickly without incinerating it? Don't you have a
temperature gauge on your grill? I seem to recall that the inside temp
of the steak (not the grill) should be about 145F. Can't your grill
achieve that in a reasonable amount of time? Maybe you need a better
grill or just a bit more patience. What else do you have to do, anyway?

You seem to like to fill your life with "busy work." Maybe you can
connect a heat-resistant microphone to your grill and attach that to
speakers in the house so you can hear the steak sizzle. Or interest a TV
chef into introducing a special home "make your grill a lot hotter" kit
and, of course, a special fire extinguisher so you have something handy
to use when you set the house, the lawn, or the patio furniture on fire.

Oh, minor point. Gauge is spelled gauge.

Happy grilling. :)

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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/4/17 10:22 PM, wrote:
I have never really been happy with gas grills. It seems some cook too
hot and others do not get hot enough. I have had this old Sams
stainless grill for years and the ability to slow cook something like
chicken is great but if you want a quick steak, it needs more heat.
I decided the trick might be to play with the gas pressure. I have had
a few regulators on this with mixed results so I went with an
adjustable one. That gave me great control of the fire, up to the
point where the flame was coming out the top of the grates. The
industry standard for a "gas grill" bottle regulator is 11" of water.
Using that as a bench mark I went through my junk and came up with a
0-25" gauge. It turns out these bottle regulators suck. I tried 2 of
the 3 I had handy and they do not regulate well and the flow
restriction means if you have all 3 burners going, you might only get
7-8" of pressure. It is really all over the place. I also found out a
little dab will do ya. At the true 11", the burners are pretty hot and
at 15-16 they are really going. I did some steaks tonight playing with
the burner valve and the pressure. I really started feeling like I had
some control of the heat. It seems like far more control than I got
using the burner valve alone. Part of that is the pressure was not
that stable with the original fixed regulators. Now I am going to
start correlating what pressure is optimal with what I am doing.
I would not recommend an adjustable regulator if you do not have a
gauge unless you really like futzing with stuff. I may be looking with
one that is more precise and less range. This thing goes up to 20 PSI
(well over 100" of water) which might be OK for a turkey cooker or a
moonshine still but not useful with a grill.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Grille%20Guage.jpg



Gee whiz, just how hot does it have to be inside a closed grill to cook
a steak properly and quickly without incinerating it? Don't you have a
temperature gauge on your grill? I seem to recall that the inside temp
of the steak (not the grill) should be about 145F. Can't your grill
achieve that in a reasonable amount of time? Maybe you need a better
grill or just a bit more patience. What else do you have to do, anyway?

You seem to like to fill your life with "busy work." Maybe you can
connect a heat-resistant microphone to your grill and attach that to
speakers in the house so you can hear the steak sizzle. Or interest a TV
chef into introducing a special home "make your grill a lot hotter" kit
and, of course, a special fire extinguisher so you have something handy
to use when you set the house, the lawn, or the patio furniture on fire.

Oh, minor point. Gauge is spelled gauge.

Happy grilling. :)



Took a sarcastic pill this morning, eh?
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On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 6:55:21 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/4/17 10:22 PM, wrote:
I have never really been happy with gas grills. It seems some cook too
hot and others do not get hot enough. I have had this old Sams
stainless grill for years and the ability to slow cook something like
chicken is great but if you want a quick steak, it needs more heat.
I decided the trick might be to play with the gas pressure. I have had
a few regulators on this with mixed results so I went with an
adjustable one. That gave me great control of the fire, up to the
point where the flame was coming out the top of the grates. The
industry standard for a "gas grill" bottle regulator is 11" of water.
Using that as a bench mark I went through my junk and came up with a
0-25" gauge. It turns out these bottle regulators suck. I tried 2 of
the 3 I had handy and they do not regulate well and the flow
restriction means if you have all 3 burners going, you might only get
7-8" of pressure. It is really all over the place. I also found out a
little dab will do ya. At the true 11", the burners are pretty hot and
at 15-16 they are really going. I did some steaks tonight playing with
the burner valve and the pressure. I really started feeling like I had
some control of the heat. It seems like far more control than I got
using the burner valve alone. Part of that is the pressure was not
that stable with the original fixed regulators. Now I am going to
start correlating what pressure is optimal with what I am doing.
I would not recommend an adjustable regulator if you do not have a
gauge unless you really like futzing with stuff. I may be looking with
one that is more precise and less range. This thing goes up to 20 PSI
(well over 100" of water) which might be OK for a turkey cooker or a
moonshine still but not useful with a grill.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Grille%20Guage.jpg



Gee whiz, just how hot does it have to be inside a closed grill to cook
a steak properly and quickly without incinerating it? Don't you have a
temperature gauge on your grill? I seem to recall that the inside temp
of the steak (not the grill) should be about 145F. Can't your grill
achieve that in a reasonable amount of time? Maybe you need a better
grill or just a bit more patience. What else do you have to do, anyway?

Ever the asshole, eh?

"Grilling is a form of cooking that involves dry heat applied to the surface of food, commonly from above or below. Grilling usually involves a significant amount of direct, radiant heat, and tends to be used for cooking meat quickly."

You can put a steak on a 275 degree grill and cook it to 145, but then you'd have... roast.

Idiot.

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Its Me Wrote in message:
On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 6:55:21 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/4/17 10:22 PM, wrote:
I have never really been happy with gas grills. It seems some cook too
hot and others do not get hot enough. I have had this old Sams
stainless grill for years and the ability to slow cook something like
chicken is great but if you want a quick steak, it needs more heat.
I decided the trick might be to play with the gas pressure. I have had
a few regulators on this with mixed results so I went with an
adjustable one. That gave me great control of the fire, up to the
point where the flame was coming out the top of the grates. The
industry standard for a "gas grill" bottle regulator is 11" of water.
Using that as a bench mark I went through my junk and came up with a
0-25" gauge. It turns out these bottle regulators suck. I tried 2 of
the 3 I had handy and they do not regulate well and the flow
restriction means if you have all 3 burners going, you might only get
7-8" of pressure. It is really all over the place. I also found out a
little dab will do ya. At the true 11", the burners are pretty hot and
at 15-16 they are really going. I did some steaks tonight playing with
the burner valve and the pressure. I really started feeling like I had
some control of the heat. It seems like far more control than I got
using the burner valve alone. Part of that is the pressure was not
that stable with the original fixed regulators. Now I am going to
start correlating what pressure is optimal with what I am doing.
I would not recommend an adjustable regulator if you do not have a
gauge unless you really like futzing with stuff. I may be looking with
one that is more precise and less range. This thing goes up to 20 PSI
(well over 100" of water) which might be OK for a turkey cooker or a
moonshine still but not useful with a grill.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Grille%20Guage.jpg



Gee whiz, just how hot does it have to be inside a closed grill to cook
a steak properly and quickly without incinerating it? Don't you have a
temperature gauge on your grill? I seem to recall that the inside temp
of the steak (not the grill) should be about 145F. Can't your grill
achieve that in a reasonable amount of time? Maybe you need a better
grill or just a bit more patience. What else do you have to do, anyway?

Ever the asshole, eh?

"Grilling is a form of cooking that involves dry heat applied to the surface of food, commonly from above or below. Grilling usually involves a significant amount of direct, radiant heat, and tends to be used for cooking meat quickly."

You can put a steak on a 275 degree grill and cook it to 145, but then you'd have... roast.

Idiot.


I have 2 propane infrared grills. One for home and one for the
camper. My experience has been that they do a better job than
radient cooking with less mess and no flareups. YMMV
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On 1/5/2017 9:37 AM, justan wrote:
Its Me Wrote in message:
On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 6:55:21 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/4/17 10:22 PM, wrote:
I have never really been happy with gas grills. It seems some cook too
hot and others do not get hot enough. I have had this old Sams
stainless grill for years and the ability to slow cook something like
chicken is great but if you want a quick steak, it needs more heat.
I decided the trick might be to play with the gas pressure. I have had
a few regulators on this with mixed results so I went with an
adjustable one. That gave me great control of the fire, up to the
point where the flame was coming out the top of the grates. The
industry standard for a "gas grill" bottle regulator is 11" of water.
Using that as a bench mark I went through my junk and came up with a
0-25" gauge. It turns out these bottle regulators suck. I tried 2 of
the 3 I had handy and they do not regulate well and the flow
restriction means if you have all 3 burners going, you might only get
7-8" of pressure. It is really all over the place. I also found out a
little dab will do ya. At the true 11", the burners are pretty hot and
at 15-16 they are really going. I did some steaks tonight playing with
the burner valve and the pressure. I really started feeling like I had
some control of the heat. It seems like far more control than I got
using the burner valve alone. Part of that is the pressure was not
that stable with the original fixed regulators. Now I am going to
start correlating what pressure is optimal with what I am doing.
I would not recommend an adjustable regulator if you do not have a
gauge unless you really like futzing with stuff. I may be looking with
one that is more precise and less range. This thing goes up to 20 PSI
(well over 100" of water) which might be OK for a turkey cooker or a
moonshine still but not useful with a grill.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Grille%20Guage.jpg



Gee whiz, just how hot does it have to be inside a closed grill to cook
a steak properly and quickly without incinerating it? Don't you have a
temperature gauge on your grill? I seem to recall that the inside temp
of the steak (not the grill) should be about 145F. Can't your grill
achieve that in a reasonable amount of time? Maybe you need a better
grill or just a bit more patience. What else do you have to do, anyway?

Ever the asshole, eh?

"Grilling is a form of cooking that involves dry heat applied to the surface of food, commonly from above or below. Grilling usually involves a significant amount of direct, radiant heat, and tends to be used for cooking meat quickly."

You can put a steak on a 275 degree grill and cook it to 145, but then you'd have... roast.

Idiot.


I have 2 propane infrared grills. One for home and one for the
camper.
My experience has been that they do a better job than
radient cooking with less mess and no flareups. YMMV



What's the difference between "infrared" and "radiant" ?
Both are not convective or conductive.

Grill addition
 

On Thu, 5 Jan 2017 06:55:18 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/4/17 10:22 PM, wrote:
I have never really been happy with gas grills. It seems some cook too
hot and others do not get hot enough. I have had this old Sams
stainless grill for years and the ability to slow cook something like
chicken is great but if you want a quick steak, it needs more heat.
I decided the trick might be to play with the gas pressure. I have had
a few regulators on this with mixed results so I went with an
adjustable one. That gave me great control of the fire, up to the
point where the flame was coming out the top of the grates. The
industry standard for a "gas grill" bottle regulator is 11" of water.
Using that as a bench mark I went through my junk and came up with a
0-25" gauge. It turns out these bottle regulators suck. I tried 2 of
the 3 I had handy and they do not regulate well and the flow
restriction means if you have all 3 burners going, you might only get
7-8" of pressure. It is really all over the place. I also found out a
little dab will do ya. At the true 11", the burners are pretty hot and
at 15-16 they are really going. I did some steaks tonight playing with
the burner valve and the pressure. I really started feeling like I had
some control of the heat. It seems like far more control than I got
using the burner valve alone. Part of that is the pressure was not
that stable with the original fixed regulators. Now I am going to
start correlating what pressure is optimal with what I am doing.
I would not recommend an adjustable regulator if you do not have a
gauge unless you really like futzing with stuff. I may be looking with
one that is more precise and less range. This thing goes up to 20 PSI
(well over 100" of water) which might be OK for a turkey cooker or a
moonshine still but not useful with a grill.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Grille%20Guage.jpg



Gee whiz, just how hot does it have to be inside a closed grill to cook
a steak properly and quickly without incinerating it? Don't you have a
temperature gauge on your grill? I seem to recall that the inside temp
of the steak (not the grill) should be about 145F. Can't your grill
achieve that in a reasonable amount of time? Maybe you need a better
grill or just a bit more patience. What else do you have to do, anyway?

You seem to like to fill your life with "busy work." Maybe you can
connect a heat-resistant microphone to your grill and attach that to
speakers in the house so you can hear the steak sizzle. Or interest a TV
chef into introducing a special home "make your grill a lot hotter" kit
and, of course, a special fire extinguisher so you have something handy
to use when you set the house, the lawn, or the patio furniture on fire.

Oh, minor point. Gauge is spelled gauge.

Happy grilling. :)

I suppose if you want a dried out steak cooked "well done" low heat is
the way to go.
Ruth's Chris says their grill is 1800 degrees.

Grill addition
 

On Thu, 5 Jan 2017 05:59:09 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:


"Grilling is a form of cooking that involves dry heat applied to the surface of food, commonly from above or below. Grilling usually involves a significant amount of direct, radiant heat, and tends to be used for cooking meat quickly."

You can put a steak on a 275 degree grill and cook it to 145, but then you'd have... roast.

Idiot.

I cook beef roasts at 425.
Harry probably doesn't know this but you don't cook steaks in a closed
grill. The whole concept is to sear them on both sides, then get them
off the heat to rest for 10 minutes. I also would not want to eat a
steak that got to internal temperature of 145.

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On 1/5/17 11:31 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jan 2017 06:55:18 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/4/17 10:22 PM, wrote:
I have never really been happy with gas grills. It seems some cook too
hot and others do not get hot enough. I have had this old Sams
stainless grill for years and the ability to slow cook something like
chicken is great but if you want a quick steak, it needs more heat.
I decided the trick might be to play with the gas pressure. I have had
a few regulators on this with mixed results so I went with an
adjustable one. That gave me great control of the fire, up to the
point where the flame was coming out the top of the grates. The
industry standard for a "gas grill" bottle regulator is 11" of water.
Using that as a bench mark I went through my junk and came up with a
0-25" gauge. It turns out these bottle regulators suck. I tried 2 of
the 3 I had handy and they do not regulate well and the flow
restriction means if you have all 3 burners going, you might only get
7-8" of pressure. It is really all over the place. I also found out a
little dab will do ya. At the true 11", the burners are pretty hot and
at 15-16 they are really going. I did some steaks tonight playing with
the burner valve and the pressure. I really started feeling like I had
some control of the heat. It seems like far more control than I got
using the burner valve alone. Part of that is the pressure was not
that stable with the original fixed regulators. Now I am going to
start correlating what pressure is optimal with what I am doing.
I would not recommend an adjustable regulator if you do not have a
gauge unless you really like futzing with stuff. I may be looking with
one that is more precise and less range. This thing goes up to 20 PSI
(well over 100" of water) which might be OK for a turkey cooker or a
moonshine still but not useful with a grill.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Grille%20Guage.jpg



Gee whiz, just how hot does it have to be inside a closed grill to cook
a steak properly and quickly without incinerating it? Don't you have a
temperature gauge on your grill? I seem to recall that the inside temp
of the steak (not the grill) should be about 145F. Can't your grill
achieve that in a reasonable amount of time? Maybe you need a better
grill or just a bit more patience. What else do you have to do, anyway?

You seem to like to fill your life with "busy work." Maybe you can
connect a heat-resistant microphone to your grill and attach that to
speakers in the house so you can hear the steak sizzle. Or interest a TV
chef into introducing a special home "make your grill a lot hotter" kit
and, of course, a special fire extinguisher so you have something handy
to use when you set the house, the lawn, or the patio furniture on fire.

Oh, minor point. Gauge is spelled gauge.

Happy grilling. :)

I suppose if you want a dried out steak cooked "well done" low heat is
the way to go.
Ruth's Chris says their grill is 1800 degrees.


Weber's grilling guide suggests 6 to 8 minutes direct high heat of 450
to 550 Fahrenheit for a 1" strip steak cooked to "medium" doneness. Turn
once.

We don't like steak that much, but when we do grill it, we like it
medium rare, so we follow these guidelines and usually cook the beef
about five minutes for a 1" strip. We have a Weber gas grill with three
heating elements. We cook with the cover down.

Five minutes doesn't seem like a lot of time to me. The steak when eaten
is juicy and tender.

http://help.weber.com/grilling-tips/...g-guides/#beef

Of course, what would Weber know about this, eh?

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"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 1/5/2017 9:37 AM, justan wrote:
Its Me Wrote in message:
On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 6:55:21 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/4/17 10:22 PM, wrote:
I have never really been happy with gas grills. It seems some cook too
hot and others do not get hot enough. I have had this old Sams
stainless grill for years and the ability to slow cook something like
chicken is great but if you want a quick steak, it needs more heat.
I decided the trick might be to play with the gas pressure. I have had
a few regulators on this with mixed results so I went with an
adjustable one. That gave me great control of the fire, up to the
point where the flame was coming out the top of the grates. The
industry standard for a "gas grill" bottle regulator is 11" of water.
Using that as a bench mark I went through my junk and came up with a
0-25" gauge. It turns out these bottle regulators suck. I tried 2 of
the 3 I had handy and they do not regulate well and the flow
restriction means if you have all 3 burners going, you might only get
7-8" of pressure. It is really all over the place. I also found out a
little dab will do ya. At the true 11", the burners are pretty hot and
at 15-16 they are really going. I did some steaks tonight playing with
the burner valve and the pressure. I really started feeling like I had
some control of the heat. It seems like far more control than I got
using the burner valve alone. Part of that is the pressure was not
that stable with the original fixed regulators. Now I am going to
start correlating what pressure is optimal with what I am doing.
I would not recommend an adjustable regulator if you do not have a
gauge unless you really like futzing with stuff. I may be looking with
one that is more precise and less range. This thing goes up to 20 PSI
(well over 100" of water) which might be OK for a turkey cooker or a
moonshine still but not useful with a grill.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Grille%20Guage.jpg



Gee whiz, just how hot does it have to be inside a closed grill to cook
a steak properly and quickly without incinerating it? Don't you have a
temperature gauge on your grill? I seem to recall that the inside temp
of the steak (not the grill) should be about 145F. Can't your grill
achieve that in a reasonable amount of time? Maybe you need a better
grill or just a bit more patience. What else do you have to do, anyway?

Ever the asshole, eh?

"Grilling is a form of cooking that involves dry heat applied to the surface of food, commonly from above or below. Grilling usually involves a significant amount of direct, radiant heat, and tends to be used for cooking meat quickly."

You can put a steak on a 275 degree grill and cook it to 145, but then you'd have... roast.

Idiot.


I have 2 propane infrared grills. One for home and one for the
camper.
My experience has been that they do a better job than
radient cooking with less mess and no flareups. YMMV



What's the difference between "infrared" and "radiant" ?
Both are not convective or conductive.




According to my cooking guide " Unlike traditional convective gas
grills, tru infrared limits the hot air that comes in contact
with the food" There you have it. :-) And thats all I know about
that.
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