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Steven Shelikoff wrote:
And I'm just saying that while in racing, the brake rotors themselves can get extremely hot during braking, if there is so little heat taken away that the rotors alone are causing the wheels to be heated up to over 250 degrees then something's wrong with the setup. Once again, I never said car or trailer tires were heated by the brakes. Holy cow, major brain fart. Understand that very well ... I don't buy the "runs cooler" argument either. But I do buy the argument that you can control the amount of moisture in the gas easier if you're filling it with nitrogen then when plain compressed air. Yes, yes, that's it! Finally! 8-) That is what has been so difficult to get across here ... that control of moisture in the filling gas - along with the oxidation reducing benefits of an inert gas - is the the sole reason to choose nitrogen over home brew compressed air. Dry nitrogen can not make a tire run cooler and it does not expand at a different rate than dry air. Water will not flash to steam below its vapor pressure. Rick |
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"basskisser" wrote in message om... Pure horse****!!!!! They do, indeed, keep the throttle wide open, but they DO use the brakes, and quite a lot. They use the brakes as opposed to letting up on the throttle when drafting, to avoid loosing engine rpms from what is commonly refered to as "lifting". I ask you again: What type of connection do they use between the engine and the wheels that allows the engine RPMs to stay high while the car slows down? Rod |
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"Mark Browne" wrote in message news:Q_Zpb.109411$Fm2.94923@attbi_s04... Conventional wisdom is that the measured pressure increase is due to liquid water flashing to steam above the boiling point of water. There are a few simple things you could do to eliminate the liquid water in the tires: 1) Install a water separator on the air line between the compressor and your inflation nozzel. Standard equipment on most air systems. 2) Don't mount the tires outside in a driving rain! In the turns NASCAR and F1 cars run peak tire temperatures between 225 and 250 degrees F. I leave it to you to offer an alternate explanation of the measured 4 to 16 PSI jump (nominal 30 PSI) under racing conditions. Are you saying that as the tire temperature changes from 225 and 250 degrees F (685 to 710 degrees R) the tire pressure changes from 30psig to 46psig ( 44.7 psi to 60.7psi at sea level) ?? pv/t = PV/T . IF the volume stays constant (not a good assumption) so 44.7V/685 should equal 60.7V/710 0.065 does not equal 0.085. Nope, something else going on here. Hmmm, sure doesn't follow the steam tables. According to the steam tables publised by the American Society of Mechanical Engineers (the accepted standard) the internal temperature would have to be up to around 294 degrees F to have boiling water create that kind of pressure. Nope, isn't steam. And you say this doesn't happen when you use Nitrogen? You said that this happens in the turns, so I can explain why you would get a sharp increase, but I can't explain why you didn't see the same increase using nitrogen. In the turns, the tire is going to be subjected to a significant amount of lateral force. This force is going to distort the shape of the tire, hence its volume will decrease. As you decrease the volume, the pressure will increase. You are changing a second variable in the PV/T equation. This stuff is not conjecture - it is measured data. If it does not match your expectations - perhaps it is time to reexamine your expectations. What other gases did you try this with? Did you try dry air? Did you try carbon dioxide? The water theory would have been trival to eliminate by simply eliminating the water, did you do that? Did you try adding a little water to nitrogen and seeing if it behaved just like air? Numbers are wimps, if you torture them enough they will confess to anything. To throw out the ideal gas laws because your measurements didn't agree, and then say "Conventional wisdom is that the measured pressure increase is due to liquid water flashing to steam" is absolutly conjecture. Maybe there is something else going on. Too bad you didn't follow the scientific method properly and try to figure out what it was. Change one variable at a time and you have a much better chance of establishing what the cause and effect relationships are. Nitrogen is a funny gas. At sea level pressures and room temperatures it is generally inert and safe to use for many applications. If you increase the pressure, that is no longer true. SCUBA divers all know that under a few additional atmosphers of pressure Nitrogen does BAD things to the human body. Oxyen is even worse, double the pressure of oxygen and it suddenly becomes toxic in its pure state. Perhaps what is really going on is that at those pressures and temperatures the oxygen in the air is reacting with the rubber compound of the tires, makng them more pliable. Rod |
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On 5 Nov 2003 04:41:14 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 3 Nov 2003 05:02:04 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: Steven Shelikoff, the racing expert wrote: Actually, the area of the wheel exposed to the gas in a race car tire is pretty large compared to the area of the tire since they are wide and low profile. Not in all types of racing. Actually, in some types, the narrower the better, less contact area, less friction. Take a salt flat racer, for instance. Yeah, and bicycle racing. Though it doesn't apply much to boat trailer tires, the heat conductivity of the gas would work against tire cooling in the case of race cars and aircraft since it would serve to increase the rate of tire heating in heavy brake application. Many aircraft tire failures are due Of course it all depends on the type of racing. During most racing like road racing, twisty corners, etc, heavy braking is applied but for very short durations. Superspeedway racing, not at all. Are you really trying to say that on superspeedways, they don't use brakes at all? That's pretty stupid. They actually use brakes as opposed to letting off the throttle, trying to keep the enginer RPM's up. It takes forever to get those restictor plate engines back up to speed. They do, however, use completely different brake setups, smaller rotors, pads. These smaller, thinner rotors will get quite hot, quite quickly. Sorry to dissapoint you but at NASCAR restrictor plate races like at Talladega and Daytona, the driver will almost without exception have the gas pedal to the floor and not touch the brakes all day. Pure horse****!!!!! They do, indeed, keep the throttle wide open, but they DO use the brakes, and quite a lot. They use the brakes as opposed to letting up on the throttle when drafting, to avoid loosing engine rpms from what is commonly refered to as "lifting". So, to say that they "not touch the brakes all day" is, again, false. As usual, you need to do a little more research. But as usual, even when you learn that you're wrong, you won't believe it and try to put some sort of spin on it to avoid admitting you don't know what the hell you're talking about. They even tape up the brake vents for more downforce since there's little need to cool the brakes. Actually, almost all teams don't even use brake ducting on superspeedways, if that is what you mean by "brake vents". They don't use brake ducting because they don't use he brakes. If they used the brakes "quite a lot" as you claim, without any ducting, then Rick would be right in that the brakes would melt the tires. That's the exact opposite from short track and road course races where they use the brakes so much that they need blowers to cool the them since the vents don't provide enough cooling. They use a beefy braking setup for those races since they have twice the power available so there's much more to overcome braking losses, and they really need the brakes. The "beefy" brakes are because they have to slow the car from say, 130mph in the straight at Bristol, down to 60mph in turns 1 and 2, in the shortest amount of time. It's all about being able to hold that 130mph until the last possible moment, slamming on the brakes until the car takes a "set" (meaning it goes from pushing, or understeer, to loose, or oversteer.), then being able to get back into the throttle. Of course, I'm sure, you are an expert, as always!!!! Oh, and your Nascar tire diatribe is wrong, and stupid. You're too funny. Are you sure you're not Jax? Steve |
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:11:13 -0800, "Rod McInnis"
wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message . com... Pure horse****!!!!! They do, indeed, keep the throttle wide open, but they DO use the brakes, and quite a lot. They use the brakes as opposed to letting up on the throttle when drafting, to avoid loosing engine rpms from what is commonly refered to as "lifting". I ask you again: What type of connection do they use between the engine and the wheels that allows the engine RPMs to stay high while the car slows down? He's full of crap as usual. They do use the brakes without lifting off the gas pedal but not to avoid loosing engine rpms. It avoids the short time lag in getting power back if you lift off the pedal. It also avoids abrupt changes in handling and suspension geometry that you get when you lift off the gas pedal, which shifts the front/rear weight distribution around. Steve |
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(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 5 Nov 2003 04:41:14 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 3 Nov 2003 05:02:04 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: Steven Shelikoff, the racing expert wrote: Actually, the area of the wheel exposed to the gas in a race car tire is pretty large compared to the area of the tire since they are wide and low profile. Not in all types of racing. Actually, in some types, the narrower the better, less contact area, less friction. Take a salt flat racer, for instance. Yeah, and bicycle racing. Though it doesn't apply much to boat trailer tires, the heat conductivity of the gas would work against tire cooling in the case of race cars and aircraft since it would serve to increase the rate of tire heating in heavy brake application. Many aircraft tire failures are due Of course it all depends on the type of racing. During most racing like road racing, twisty corners, etc, heavy braking is applied but for very short durations. Superspeedway racing, not at all. Are you really trying to say that on superspeedways, they don't use brakes at all? That's pretty stupid. They actually use brakes as opposed to letting off the throttle, trying to keep the enginer RPM's up. It takes forever to get those restictor plate engines back up to speed. They do, however, use completely different brake setups, smaller rotors, pads. These smaller, thinner rotors will get quite hot, quite quickly. Sorry to dissapoint you but at NASCAR restrictor plate races like at Talladega and Daytona, the driver will almost without exception have the gas pedal to the floor and not touch the brakes all day. Pure horse****!!!!! They do, indeed, keep the throttle wide open, but they DO use the brakes, and quite a lot. They use the brakes as opposed to letting up on the throttle when drafting, to avoid loosing engine rpms from what is commonly refered to as "lifting". So, to say that they "not touch the brakes all day" is, again, false. As usual, you need to do a little more research. But as usual, even when you learn that you're wrong, you won't believe it and try to put some sort of spin on it to avoid admitting you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You are an idiot!!! You don't know a damned thing about superspeedway racing, if you think that they don't use brakes. What an idiot. Pure and simple. Jeez, if you even ever bothered to listen to someone like Benny Parsons, or Daryl Waltrip, and on and on, when at a superspeedway they almost always mention using brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle. It is a VERY common practice. They even tape up the brake vents for more downforce since there's little need to cool the brakes. Actually, almost all teams don't even use brake ducting on superspeedways, if that is what you mean by "brake vents". They don't use brake ducting because they don't use he brakes. If they used the brakes "quite a lot" as you claim, without any ducting, then Rick would be right in that the brakes would melt the tires. No, idiot they don't use ducting because the straights are long enough for the brakes to cool. That's the exact opposite from short track and road course races where they use the brakes so much that they need blowers to cool the them since the vents don't provide enough cooling. They use a beefy braking setup for those races since they have twice the power available so there's much more to overcome braking losses, and they really need the brakes. The "beefy" brakes are because they have to slow the car from say, 130mph in the straight at Bristol, down to 60mph in turns 1 and 2, in the shortest amount of time. It's all about being able to hold that 130mph until the last possible moment, slamming on the brakes until the car takes a "set" (meaning it goes from pushing, or understeer, to loose, or oversteer.), then being able to get back into the throttle. Of course, I'm sure, you are an expert, as always!!!! Oh, and your Nascar tire diatribe is wrong, and stupid. You're too funny. Are you sure you're not Jax? Steve Hope you are getting it now, but I doubt it. |
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"Rod McInnis" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message om... Pure horse****!!!!! They do, indeed, keep the throttle wide open, but they DO use the brakes, and quite a lot. They use the brakes as opposed to letting up on the throttle when drafting, to avoid loosing engine rpms from what is commonly refered to as "lifting". I ask you again: What type of connection do they use between the engine and the wheels that allows the engine RPMs to stay high while the car slows down? Rod It doesn't. What happens is that by not lifting the throttle, you are keeping the same amount of fuel/air ramming into the engine. So, what happens is that when you quit braking, the RPM's come back up quicker. You see, if you don't do that, with the restrictor plates, it can take up to a lap to get back up to full speed. So, when I say it is to avoid loosing RPM's, it really means loosing RPM's for a full lap, as opposed to a few seconds. It is a VERY common practice on superspeedways, and they all do it. It's just that Shelikoff doesn't know that. |
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On 6 Nov 2003 04:51:54 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 5 Nov 2003 04:41:14 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 3 Nov 2003 05:02:04 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: Steven Shelikoff, the racing expert wrote: Actually, the area of the wheel exposed to the gas in a race car tire is pretty large compared to the area of the tire since they are wide and low profile. Not in all types of racing. Actually, in some types, the narrower the better, less contact area, less friction. Take a salt flat racer, for instance. Yeah, and bicycle racing. Though it doesn't apply much to boat trailer tires, the heat conductivity of the gas would work against tire cooling in the case of race cars and aircraft since it would serve to increase the rate of tire heating in heavy brake application. Many aircraft tire failures are due Of course it all depends on the type of racing. During most racing like road racing, twisty corners, etc, heavy braking is applied but for very short durations. Superspeedway racing, not at all. Are you really trying to say that on superspeedways, they don't use brakes at all? That's pretty stupid. They actually use brakes as opposed to letting off the throttle, trying to keep the enginer RPM's up. It takes forever to get those restictor plate engines back up to speed. They do, however, use completely different brake setups, smaller rotors, pads. These smaller, thinner rotors will get quite hot, quite quickly. Sorry to dissapoint you but at NASCAR restrictor plate races like at Talladega and Daytona, the driver will almost without exception have the gas pedal to the floor and not touch the brakes all day. Pure horse****!!!!! They do, indeed, keep the throttle wide open, but they DO use the brakes, and quite a lot. They use the brakes as opposed to letting up on the throttle when drafting, to avoid loosing engine rpms from what is commonly refered to as "lifting". So, to say that they "not touch the brakes all day" is, again, false. As usual, you need to do a little more research. But as usual, even when you learn that you're wrong, you won't believe it and try to put some sort of spin on it to avoid admitting you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You are an idiot!!! You don't know a damned thing about superspeedway racing, if you think that they don't use brakes. What an idiot. Pure and simple. Jeez, if you even ever bothered to listen to someone like Benny Parsons, or Daryl Waltrip, and on and on, when at a superspeedway they almost always mention using brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle. It is a VERY common practice. You may be listening, but as usual you don't understand what they're saying. Yes, if they have to slow down they use the brakes. Of course. It's just that for 99% of the race, they don't have to slow down. Unlike other types of racing, superspeedway restrictor plate racing does not require the drive to brake going into any corners. It's flat out pedal to the metal racing around the entire track. The only time the may need to touch the brakes is to avoid running into someone else and to come into the pits. They even tape up the brake vents for more downforce since there's little need to cool the brakes. Actually, almost all teams don't even use brake ducting on superspeedways, if that is what you mean by "brake vents". They don't use brake ducting because they don't use he brakes. If they used the brakes "quite a lot" as you claim, without any ducting, then Rick would be right in that the brakes would melt the tires. No, idiot they don't use ducting because the straights are long enough for the brakes to cool. Not if they used the brakes a lot without any ducting. You have no idea about the aerodynamics of race cars. That's the exact opposite from short track and road course races where they use the brakes so much that they need blowers to cool the them since the vents don't provide enough cooling. They use a beefy braking setup for those races since they have twice the power available so there's much more to overcome braking losses, and they really need the brakes. The "beefy" brakes are because they have to slow the car from say, 130mph in the straight at Bristol, down to 60mph in turns 1 and 2, in the shortest amount of time. It's all about being able to hold that 130mph until the last possible moment, slamming on the brakes until the car takes a "set" (meaning it goes from pushing, or understeer, to loose, or oversteer.), then being able to get back into the throttle. Of course, I'm sure, you are an expert, as always!!!! Oh, and your Nascar tire diatribe is wrong, and stupid. You're too funny. Are you sure you're not Jax? Hope you are getting it now, but I doubt it. Oh, I get it. I get that once again, you're spewing off crap without having any idea what you're talking about. So now tell us, what happens to the oil vapor that makes it back to the intake via the breather? Or do you think all the vapor is magically attracted back into the crankcase and none makes it to the intake? Your understanding of engines is just as abysmal as racing. Steve |
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Bobby Labonte on restrictor plate racing:
"That type of racing to me isn't as exciting as going 200 miles per hour at the end of the straightaway at Atlanta (which does not use restrictor plates) because I can control what I'm doing," said defending series champion Bobby Labonte. "I have the opportunity to let off the gas and hit the brake and all that stuff. At Daytona you don't do that. You just hold it wide open, and then you're in a pack of cars all day. It's obvious that's not the same type of racing we're doing everywhere else. It's not the same." http://tinyurl.com/twmd I guess you know more about racing than Bobby Labonte? There's only a few times you ever use brakes during restrictor plate racing- 1) To avoid an accident 2) To slow down while entering the pits 3) To slow down in the turns due to a handling/mechanical problem with the car. |
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"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message ... They do use the brakes without lifting off the gas pedal but not to avoid loosing engine rpms. It avoids the short time lag in getting power back if you lift off the pedal. Yeah, I know. It is especially common on cars that use a turbo charger as it will keep the exhaust manifold hot and the turbo spun up so they can have maximum boost when they really need it. I am sure it gets carried over to normally aspirated engines just because the drivers get into a habit and don't want to break it. I was just pushing basskisser to see if he could apply any amount of reason to anything he says. He seems to get a little bit of knowledge and applies it all wrong. The RPMs high while the car slows down was just so obvious an error, yet he repeated the statement multiple times even after being challenged. Rod |
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On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:46:20 -0800, "Rod McInnis"
wrote: "Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message ... They do use the brakes without lifting off the gas pedal but not to avoid loosing engine rpms. It avoids the short time lag in getting power back if you lift off the pedal. Yeah, I know. It is especially common on cars that use a turbo charger as it will keep the exhaust manifold hot and the turbo spun up so they can have maximum boost when they really need it. I am sure it gets carried over to normally aspirated engines just because the drivers get into a habit and don't want to break it. It's a very long time for turbo cars, but is still there in normally aspirated cars. Must have something to do with inertia. lol I was just pushing basskisser to see if he could apply any amount of reason to anything he says. He seems to get a little bit of knowledge and applies it all wrong. The RPMs high while the car slows down was just so obvious an error, yet he repeated the statement multiple times even after being challenged. There is no rhyme or reason for anything basskisser says. He's an idiot and if he says something, you can be fairly certain that the opposite is true. Steve |
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"Joe" wrote in message ...
Bobby Labonte on restrictor plate racing: "That type of racing to me isn't as exciting as going 200 miles per hour at the end of the straightaway at Atlanta (which does not use restrictor plates) because I can control what I'm doing," said defending series champion Bobby Labonte. "I have the opportunity to let off the gas and hit the brake and all that stuff. At Daytona you don't do that. You just hold it wide open, and then you're in a pack of cars all day. It's obvious that's not the same type of racing we're doing everywhere else. It's not the same." http://tinyurl.com/twmd I guess you know more about racing than Bobby Labonte? There's only a few times you ever use brakes during restrictor plate racing- 1) To avoid an accident 2) To slow down while entering the pits 3) To slow down in the turns due to a handling/mechanical problem with the car. You are stupid, and WRONG... you dumb idiot, if you EVER LISTENED to a race broadcast, of say, Talledage, or Daytona, or other superspeedways, the commentators, racers all, will ALWAYS talk about using the brakes as opposed to lifting off the throttle. ALWAYS. Why? With restrictor plates, if they lift, the RPM loss, and speed is much greater than if they brake. If they keep the fuel/air mixture pushing through the restrictor plate, the car comes back up to speed much quicker than if they lifted off of the throttle. It's pretty simple, but, I'm sure you still don't understand, JoeTechnician. |
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(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 6 Nov 2003 04:51:54 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 5 Nov 2003 04:41:14 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 3 Nov 2003 05:02:04 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: Steven Shelikoff, the racing expert wrote: Actually, the area of the wheel exposed to the gas in a race car tire is pretty large compared to the area of the tire since they are wide and low profile. Not in all types of racing. Actually, in some types, the narrower the better, less contact area, less friction. Take a salt flat racer, for instance. Yeah, and bicycle racing. Though it doesn't apply much to boat trailer tires, the heat conductivity of the gas would work against tire cooling in the case of race cars and aircraft since it would serve to increase the rate of tire heating in heavy brake application. Many aircraft tire failures are due Of course it all depends on the type of racing. During most racing like road racing, twisty corners, etc, heavy braking is applied but for very short durations. Superspeedway racing, not at all. Are you really trying to say that on superspeedways, they don't use brakes at all? That's pretty stupid. They actually use brakes as opposed to letting off the throttle, trying to keep the enginer RPM's up. It takes forever to get those restictor plate engines back up to speed. They do, however, use completely different brake setups, smaller rotors, pads. These smaller, thinner rotors will get quite hot, quite quickly. Sorry to dissapoint you but at NASCAR restrictor plate races like at Talladega and Daytona, the driver will almost without exception have the gas pedal to the floor and not touch the brakes all day. Pure horse****!!!!! They do, indeed, keep the throttle wide open, but they DO use the brakes, and quite a lot. They use the brakes as opposed to letting up on the throttle when drafting, to avoid loosing engine rpms from what is commonly refered to as "lifting". So, to say that they "not touch the brakes all day" is, again, false. As usual, you need to do a little more research. But as usual, even when you learn that you're wrong, you won't believe it and try to put some sort of spin on it to avoid admitting you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You are an idiot!!! You don't know a damned thing about superspeedway racing, if you think that they don't use brakes. What an idiot. Pure and simple. Jeez, if you even ever bothered to listen to someone like Benny Parsons, or Daryl Waltrip, and on and on, when at a superspeedway they almost always mention using brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle. It is a VERY common practice. You may be listening, but as usual you don't understand what they're saying. Yes, if they have to slow down they use the brakes. Of course. It's just that for 99% of the race, they don't have to slow down. Unlike other types of racing, superspeedway restrictor plate racing does not require the drive to brake going into any corners. It's flat out pedal to the metal racing around the entire track. The only time the may need to touch the brakes is to avoid running into someone else and to come into the pits. They even tape up the brake vents for more downforce since there's little need to cool the brakes. Actually, almost all teams don't even use brake ducting on superspeedways, if that is what you mean by "brake vents". They don't use brake ducting because they don't use he brakes. If they used the brakes "quite a lot" as you claim, without any ducting, then Rick would be right in that the brakes would melt the tires. No, idiot they don't use ducting because the straights are long enough for the brakes to cool. Not if they used the brakes a lot without any ducting. You have no idea about the aerodynamics of race cars. Bull****. You idiot. The rotors are vented. You've never been close to a stock car, by evidence of your crap. You'll hear people like Daryl Waltrip, Benny Parsons, Wally Dahlenbach, etc. talk about using the brakes as opposed to lifting off of the throttle at least once during every restictor plate race that they commentate. It's very simple, but I'm sure you wont' understand. You use the brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle because if you keep the air/fuel mixture pushing through the restrictor plate, the engine comes back up to speed much quicker than if you lift the throttle. Plain and simple, and any idiot that knows anything about racing knows this. That's the exact opposite from short track and road course races where they use the brakes so much that they need blowers to cool the them since the vents don't provide enough cooling. They use a beefy braking setup for those races since they have twice the power available so there's much more to overcome braking losses, and they really need the brakes. The "beefy" brakes are because they have to slow the car from say, 130mph in the straight at Bristol, down to 60mph in turns 1 and 2, in the shortest amount of time. It's all about being able to hold that 130mph until the last possible moment, slamming on the brakes until the car takes a "set" (meaning it goes from pushing, or understeer, to loose, or oversteer.), then being able to get back into the throttle. Of course, I'm sure, you are an expert, as always!!!! Oh, and your Nascar tire diatribe is wrong, and stupid. You're too funny. Are you sure you're not Jax? Hope you are getting it now, but I doubt it. Your understanding of engines is just as abysmal as racing. Steve Haahaa!! You know more about stock car racing than I do?? Yet you didn't know until this conversation that in restictor plate races, they use the brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle??!!! bwaaaahaaa!! |
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"Rod McInnis" wrote in message ...
"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message ... They do use the brakes without lifting off the gas pedal but not to avoid loosing engine rpms. It avoids the short time lag in getting power back if you lift off the pedal. Yeah, I know. It is especially common on cars that use a turbo charger as it will keep the exhaust manifold hot and the turbo spun up so they can have maximum boost when they really need it. I am sure it gets carried over to normally aspirated engines just because the drivers get into a habit and don't want to break it. I was just pushing basskisser to see if he could apply any amount of reason to anything he says. He seems to get a little bit of knowledge and applies it all wrong. The RPMs high while the car slows down was just so obvious an error, yet he repeated the statement multiple times even after being challenged. Rod Are you just trying to be funny, or are you really not very bright? |
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"basskisser" wrote in message om... "Joe" wrote in message ... Bobby Labonte on restrictor plate racing: "That type of racing to me isn't as exciting as going 200 miles per hour at the end of the straightaway at Atlanta (which does not use restrictor plates) because I can control what I'm doing," said defending series champion Bobby Labonte. "I have the opportunity to let off the gas and hit the brake and all that stuff. At Daytona you don't do that. You just hold it wide open, and then you're in a pack of cars all day. It's obvious that's not the same type of racing we're doing everywhere else. It's not the same." http://tinyurl.com/twmd I guess you know more about racing than Bobby Labonte? There's only a few times you ever use brakes during restrictor plate racing- 1) To avoid an accident 2) To slow down while entering the pits 3) To slow down in the turns due to a handling/mechanical problem with the car. You are stupid, and WRONG... you dumb idiot, if you EVER LISTENED to a race broadcast, of say, Talledage, or Daytona, or other superspeedways, the commentators, racers all, will ALWAYS talk about using the brakes as opposed to lifting off the throttle ALWAYS. Why? With restrictor plates, if they lift, the RPM loss, and speed is much greater than if they brake. If they keep the fuel/air mixture pushing through the restrictor plate, the car comes back up to speed much quicker than if they lifted off of the throttle. It's pretty simple, but, I'm sure you still don't understand, JoeTechnician. Just what I figured, you know more about racing than Bobby Labonte. I'll add it to your list |
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"basskisser" wrote in message om... "Joe" wrote in message ... Bobby Labonte on restrictor plate racing: "That type of racing to me isn't as exciting as going 200 miles per hour at the end of the straightaway at Atlanta (which does not use restrictor plates) because I can control what I'm doing," said defending series champion Bobby Labonte. "I have the opportunity to let off the gas and hit the brake and all that stuff. At Daytona you don't do that. You just hold it wide open, and then you're in a pack of cars all day. It's obvious that's not the same type of racing we're doing everywhere else. It's not the same." http://tinyurl.com/twmd I guess you know more about racing than Bobby Labonte? There's only a few times you ever use brakes during restrictor plate racing- 1) To avoid an accident 2) To slow down while entering the pits 3) To slow down in the turns due to a handling/mechanical problem with the car. You are stupid, and WRONG... you dumb idiot, if you EVER LISTENED to a race broadcast, of say, Talledage, or Daytona, or other superspeedways, the commentators, racers all, will ALWAYS talk about using the brakes as opposed to lifting off the throttle ALWAYS. Why? With restrictor plates, if they lift, the RPM loss, and speed is much greater than if they brake. If they keep the fuel/air mixture pushing through the restrictor plate, the car comes back up to speed much quicker than if they lifted off of the throttle. It's pretty simple, but, I'm sure you still don't understand, JoeTechnician. Just what I figured, you know more about racing than Bobby Labonte. I'll add it to your list Please show where Bobby Labonte, or any other driver for that matter, has said that they don't use brakes at superspeedways. You, JoeTechnician are so stupid that you don't even understand what you've posted! He simply stated that, as opposed to short tracks, the driving isn't the same. On short tracks, you brake much harder, to a point of skidding some, and it upsets the cars, making the driving different. Jeez, dumby, of course you don't drive the same at a superspeedway as you do a short track. And you don't drive the same at a road course as you do a short track, or a speedway. And you don't drive the same at a downforce track as you do the others. You've not proven a damned thing, you dolt. |
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Please show where Bobby Labonte, or any other driver for that matter, has said that they don't use brakes at superspeedways. You, JoeTechnician are so stupid that you don't even understand what you've posted! He simply stated that, as opposed to short tracks, the driving isn't the same. On short tracks, you brake much harder, to a point of skidding some, and it upsets the cars, making the driving different. Jeez, dumby, of course you don't drive the same at a superspeedway as you do a short track. And you don't drive the same at a road course as you do a short track, or a speedway. And you don't drive the same at a downforce track as you do the others. You've not proven a damned thing, you dolt. Maybe you missed his quote- "I have the opportunity to let off the gas and hit the brake and all that stuff. At Daytona you don't do that. You just hold it wide open, and then you're in a pack of cars all day" |
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Please show where Bobby Labonte, or any other driver for that matter, has said that they don't use brakes at superspeedways. I never said they "never use brakes" I said they are only three reasons they would, unlike non-restrictor plate racing where they are *required* to get around the track competitively. My post was in response to your statement that "they DO use the brakes, and quite a lot", which is not true. |
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On 7 Nov 2003 04:52:45 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 6 Nov 2003 04:51:54 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 5 Nov 2003 04:41:14 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 3 Nov 2003 05:02:04 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: Steven Shelikoff, the racing expert wrote: Actually, the area of the wheel exposed to the gas in a race car tire is pretty large compared to the area of the tire since they are wide and low profile. Not in all types of racing. Actually, in some types, the narrower the better, less contact area, less friction. Take a salt flat racer, for instance. Yeah, and bicycle racing. Though it doesn't apply much to boat trailer tires, the heat conductivity of the gas would work against tire cooling in the case of race cars and aircraft since it would serve to increase the rate of tire heating in heavy brake application. Many aircraft tire failures are due Of course it all depends on the type of racing. During most racing like road racing, twisty corners, etc, heavy braking is applied but for very short durations. Superspeedway racing, not at all. Are you really trying to say that on superspeedways, they don't use brakes at all? That's pretty stupid. They actually use brakes as opposed to letting off the throttle, trying to keep the enginer RPM's up. It takes forever to get those restictor plate engines back up to speed. They do, however, use completely different brake setups, smaller rotors, pads. These smaller, thinner rotors will get quite hot, quite quickly. Sorry to dissapoint you but at NASCAR restrictor plate races like at Talladega and Daytona, the driver will almost without exception have the gas pedal to the floor and not touch the brakes all day. Pure horse****!!!!! They do, indeed, keep the throttle wide open, but they DO use the brakes, and quite a lot. They use the brakes as opposed to letting up on the throttle when drafting, to avoid loosing engine rpms from what is commonly refered to as "lifting". So, to say that they "not touch the brakes all day" is, again, false. As usual, you need to do a little more research. But as usual, even when you learn that you're wrong, you won't believe it and try to put some sort of spin on it to avoid admitting you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You are an idiot!!! You don't know a damned thing about superspeedway racing, if you think that they don't use brakes. What an idiot. Pure and simple. Jeez, if you even ever bothered to listen to someone like Benny Parsons, or Daryl Waltrip, and on and on, when at a superspeedway they almost always mention using brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle. It is a VERY common practice. You may be listening, but as usual you don't understand what they're saying. Yes, if they have to slow down they use the brakes. Of course. It's just that for 99% of the race, they don't have to slow down. Unlike other types of racing, superspeedway restrictor plate racing does not require the drive to brake going into any corners. It's flat out pedal to the metal racing around the entire track. The only time the may need to touch the brakes is to avoid running into someone else and to come into the pits. They even tape up the brake vents for more downforce since there's little need to cool the brakes. Actually, almost all teams don't even use brake ducting on superspeedways, if that is what you mean by "brake vents". They don't use brake ducting because they don't use he brakes. If they used the brakes "quite a lot" as you claim, without any ducting, then Rick would be right in that the brakes would melt the tires. No, idiot they don't use ducting because the straights are long enough for the brakes to cool. Not if they used the brakes a lot without any ducting. You have no idea about the aerodynamics of race cars. Bull****. You idiot. The rotors are vented. You've never been close to a stock car, by evidence of your crap. You'll hear people like Daryl Waltrip, Benny Parsons, Wally Dahlenbach, etc. talk about using the brakes as opposed to lifting off of the throttle at least once during every restictor plate race that they commentate. It's very simple, but I'm sure you wont' understand. You use the brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle because if you keep the air/fuel mixture pushing through the restrictor plate, the engine comes back up to speed much quicker than if you lift the throttle. Plain and simple, and any idiot that knows anything about racing knows this. But during 99% of the race, they don't use the brakes *or* lift off of the throttle. That's the part you don't understand. Yes, if they have to slow down, they'd rather use the brakes instead of lifting off the throttle. But during that type of racing, they don't do either hardly ever. That's the exact opposite from short track and road course races where they use the brakes so much that they need blowers to cool the them since the vents don't provide enough cooling. They use a beefy braking setup for those races since they have twice the power available so there's much more to overcome braking losses, and they really need the brakes. The "beefy" brakes are because they have to slow the car from say, 130mph in the straight at Bristol, down to 60mph in turns 1 and 2, in the shortest amount of time. It's all about being able to hold that 130mph until the last possible moment, slamming on the brakes until the car takes a "set" (meaning it goes from pushing, or understeer, to loose, or oversteer.), then being able to get back into the throttle. Of course, I'm sure, you are an expert, as always!!!! Oh, and your Nascar tire diatribe is wrong, and stupid. You're too funny. Are you sure you're not Jax? Hope you are getting it now, but I doubt it. Your understanding of engines is just as abysmal as racing. Haahaa!! You know more about stock car racing than I do?? Yet you didn't know until this conversation that in restictor plate races, they use the brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle??!!! bwaaaahaaa!! The fact that you think the drivers use the brakes "quite a lot" during restrictor plate racing proves you know nothing about it. Go spew your crap on the racing newsgroups and they'll laugh at you just as hard as we do here. Steve |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message om... "Joe" wrote in message ... Bobby Labonte on restrictor plate racing: "That type of racing to me isn't as exciting as going 200 miles per hour at the end of the straightaway at Atlanta (which does not use restrictor plates) because I can control what I'm doing," said defending series champion Bobby Labonte. "I have the opportunity to let off the gas and hit the brake and all that stuff. At Daytona you don't do that. You just hold it wide open, and then you're in a pack of cars all day. It's obvious that's not the same type of racing we're doing everywhere else. It's not the same." http://tinyurl.com/twmd I guess you know more about racing than Bobby Labonte? There's only a few times you ever use brakes during restrictor plate racing- 1) To avoid an accident 2) To slow down while entering the pits 3) To slow down in the turns due to a handling/mechanical problem with the car. You are stupid, and WRONG... you dumb idiot, if you EVER LISTENED to a race broadcast, of say, Talledage, or Daytona, or other superspeedways, the commentators, racers all, will ALWAYS talk about using the brakes as opposed to lifting off the throttle ALWAYS. Why? With restrictor plates, if they lift, the RPM loss, and speed is much greater than if they brake. If they keep the fuel/air mixture pushing through the restrictor plate, the car comes back up to speed much quicker than if they lifted off of the throttle. It's pretty simple, but, I'm sure you still don't understand, JoeTechnician. Just what I figured, you know more about racing than Bobby Labonte. I'll add it to your list Please show where Bobby Labonte, or any other driver for that matter, has said that they don't use brakes at superspeedways. You, http://www.coxmarketinggroup.com/media2.cfm?ID=145 Excerpt: --------------- 07/02/03 No. 54 National Guard/Todd Bodine Advance: Daytona Pepsi 400 From The No. 54 National Guard Cockpit: Driver Todd Bodine Last year at this event you tied your best finish of seventh at Daytona. At the 500 this year, you were looking to better it but weather stepped in and wiped out your chances. What is it about restrictor-plate racing at Daytona that you like? "With restrictor-plate racing a lot of it has to do with being at the right place at the right time. My role really is to mash the pedal down and to avoid braking at all costs." --------------- Now, YOU find one where a driver, any driver, says he uses the brakes "quite a lot" at a Nascar restrictor plate race. It'll be easier for you if, for your quote, you just look for the drivers who come in last. Steve |
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On 7 Nov 2003 04:58:19 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message lol... rpm's come back quicker. Loosing rpm's for a full lap... You have no idea what you're talking about. Let me give you a hint: if a driver brakes in the middle of racing during a restrictor plate race, he's gonna loose a whole lot of positions. And they are tough to get back. Steve You idiot, you have apparently never listened or watched a restrictor plate race, and have no knowledge of the subject. Restrictor plate cars DO take up to a lap to come back up to full speed. After a And that's exactly why they DON'T apply the brakes. You're contradicting yourself, again. Try to follow along, you ignorant oaf. AGAIN, they use the brakes, as opposed to lifting off of the throttle, because with restrictor plates, if you are still shoving fuel/air mixture down it, the engine will come back up to speed quicker than if you lift off of the throttle. It's been said time and time again, some comentator mentions it at least once in every plate race. I surprised you've never heard it, so apparently you don't follow racing. caution lap, it takes a COUPLE of laps to get back up to speed. That is what to **** the restrictor plate is FOR, you idiot. And again, a driver would RATHER use the brakes, as opposed to lifting the throttle. Listen and learn. If you watch a plate race, you'll hear And as has been pointed out to you but you refuse to learn, the only time a driver will use the brakes during a restrictor plate race is to avoid hitting someone or to slow down for the pit. They do not normally apply the brakes when going into each turn, as is done in other types of racing. Wrong. Period. Daytona. many, many drivers will set the car in turn 3 (it's kina rough there) by tapping the brakes. Daryl, or Benny etc. state at least once during the race, that they use the brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle, and why. Again, you hear someone say something and don't know how to apply it. So, I'll ask you once again to put up or shut up. There are thousands of web sites devoted to Nascar racing. Find just 2 reputable ones that say during restrictor plate racing, the driver will use the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. If you can't do that, it's time for you to shut up and stop displaying your ignorance to the world. Steve What a ****ing moron you are!!! You REALLY believe that they don't use brakes??? Unbelievable! |
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On 10 Nov 2003 04:31:57 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Nov 2003 04:58:19 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message lol... rpm's come back quicker. Loosing rpm's for a full lap... You have no idea what you're talking about. Let me give you a hint: if a driver brakes in the middle of racing during a restrictor plate race, he's gonna loose a whole lot of positions. And they are tough to get back. You idiot, you have apparently never listened or watched a restrictor plate race, and have no knowledge of the subject. Restrictor plate cars DO take up to a lap to come back up to full speed. After a And that's exactly why they DON'T apply the brakes. You're contradicting yourself, again. Try to follow along, you ignorant oaf. AGAIN, they use the brakes, as opposed to lifting off of the throttle, because with restrictor plates, if you are still shoving fuel/air mixture down it, the engine will come back up to speed quicker than if you lift off of the throttle. It's been said time and time again, some comentator mentions it at least once in every plate race. I surprised you've never heard it, so apparently you don't follow racing. We know you don't follow racing, or ir you do and you just don't understand it. Which is it? caution lap, it takes a COUPLE of laps to get back up to speed. That is what to **** the restrictor plate is FOR, you idiot. And again, a driver would RATHER use the brakes, as opposed to lifting the throttle. Listen and learn. If you watch a plate race, you'll hear And as has been pointed out to you but you refuse to learn, the only time a driver will use the brakes during a restrictor plate race is to avoid hitting someone or to slow down for the pit. They do not normally apply the brakes when going into each turn, as is done in other types of racing. Wrong. Period. Daytona. many, many drivers will set the car in turn 3 (it's kina rough there) by tapping the brakes. Even if that were true (which it isn't) tapping the brakes when entering one turn on the a 2.5 mile track does not constitute using the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. It's a lot closer to the 1%, as I have claimed. However, the drivers who do "set the car" by tapping the brakes will lose positions on the track. Daryl, or Benny etc. state at least once during the race, that they use the brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle, and why. Again, you hear someone say something and don't know how to apply it. So, I'll ask you once again to put up or shut up. There are thousands of web sites devoted to Nascar racing. Find just 2 reputable ones that say during restrictor plate racing, the driver will use the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. If you can't do that, it's time for you to shut up and stop displaying your ignorance to the world. What a ****ing moron you are!!! You REALLY believe that they don't use brakes??? Unbelievable! What's the matter idiot? You can't find ANY source that says drivers use their brakes quite a lot during restrictor plate races as you have claimed? Put up or shut up. Steve |
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On 10 Nov 2003 04:31:57 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Nov 2003 04:58:19 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message lol... rpm's come back quicker. Loosing rpm's for a full lap... You have no idea what you're talking about. Let me give you a hint: if a driver brakes in the middle of racing during a restrictor plate race, he's gonna loose a whole lot of positions. And they are tough to get back. You idiot, you have apparently never listened or watched a restrictor plate race, and have no knowledge of the subject. Restrictor plate cars DO take up to a lap to come back up to full speed. After a And that's exactly why they DON'T apply the brakes. You're contradicting yourself, again. Try to follow along, you ignorant oaf. AGAIN, they use the brakes, as opposed to lifting off of the throttle, because with restrictor plates, if you are still shoving fuel/air mixture down it, the engine will come back up to speed quicker than if you lift off of the throttle. It's been said time and time again, some comentator mentions it at least once in every plate race. I surprised you've never heard it, so apparently you don't follow racing. We know you don't follow racing, or ir you do and you just don't understand it. Which is it? I surely follow it more closely than you! If you think they don't use brakes on superspeedways!!! That is just laughable! Again, you must know more than almost all of the drivers, past and present. They DO use the brakes, as opposed to lifting the throttle. When they get in a draft, the car sucks up to the car in front of it FAST, and they don't lift the throttle, they brake. Again, you probably should listen to a few superspeedway races before making idiotic allegations. caution lap, it takes a COUPLE of laps to get back up to speed. That is what to **** the restrictor plate is FOR, you idiot. And again, a driver would RATHER use the brakes, as opposed to lifting the throttle. Listen and learn. If you watch a plate race, you'll hear And as has been pointed out to you but you refuse to learn, the only time a driver will use the brakes during a restrictor plate race is to avoid hitting someone or to slow down for the pit. They do not normally apply the brakes when going into each turn, as is done in other types of racing. Wrong. Period. Daytona. many, many drivers will set the car in turn 3 (it's kina rough there) by tapping the brakes. Even if that were true (which it isn't) tapping the brakes when entering one turn on the a 2.5 mile track does not constitute using the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. It's a lot closer to the 1%, as I have claimed. However, the drivers who do "set the car" by tapping the brakes will lose positions on the track. No, not so. Again, showing your idiocy. LISTEN to the commentators, all of them former drivers or crew chiefs. They ALWAYS talk about using the brake as opposed to lifting the throttle. It's how it's done. Daryl, or Benny etc. state at least once during the race, that they use the brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle, and why. Again, you hear someone say something and don't know how to apply it. So, I'll ask you once again to put up or shut up. There are thousands of web sites devoted to Nascar racing. Find just 2 reputable ones that say during restrictor plate racing, the driver will use the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. If you can't do that, it's time for you to shut up and stop displaying your ignorance to the world. What a ****ing moron you are!!! You REALLY believe that they don't use brakes??? Unbelievable! What's the matter idiot? You can't find ANY source that says drivers use their brakes quite a lot during restrictor plate races as you have claimed? Put up or shut up. There just aren't a lot of websites about racing for people who don't understand a damned thing about it. It is such common knowledge that the use brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle on superspeedways, that there just isn't alot of verbage on the subject. I mean, you won't find a lot of talk about the racing shoes they wear, but that doesn't mean they don't wear them! |
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On 10 Nov 2003 09:38:53 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 10 Nov 2003 04:31:57 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Nov 2003 04:58:19 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message lol... rpm's come back quicker. Loosing rpm's for a full lap... You have no idea what you're talking about. Let me give you a hint: if a driver brakes in the middle of racing during a restrictor plate race, he's gonna loose a whole lot of positions. And they are tough to get back. You idiot, you have apparently never listened or watched a restrictor plate race, and have no knowledge of the subject. Restrictor plate cars DO take up to a lap to come back up to full speed. After a And that's exactly why they DON'T apply the brakes. You're contradicting yourself, again. Try to follow along, you ignorant oaf. AGAIN, they use the brakes, as opposed to lifting off of the throttle, because with restrictor plates, if you are still shoving fuel/air mixture down it, the engine will come back up to speed quicker than if you lift off of the throttle. It's been said time and time again, some comentator mentions it at least once in every plate race. I surprised you've never heard it, so apparently you don't follow racing. We know you don't follow racing, or ir you do and you just don't understand it. Which is it? I surely follow it more closely than you! If you think they don't use brakes on superspeedways!!! That is just laughable! Again, you must know more than almost all of the drivers, past and present. They DO use the brakes, as opposed to lifting the throttle. When they get in a draft, the car sucks up to the car in front of it FAST, and they don't lift the throttle, they brake. Again, you probably should listen to a few superspeedway races before making idiotic allegations. You are hilarious in your misunderstanding of that type of racing. They are almost always in a draft because they are usually bunched up and yet they don't brake. So you think you know more about racing then Todd Bodine, who says specifically at http://www.coxmarketinggroup.com/media2.cfm?ID=145 that at restrictor plate races, "My role really is to mash the pedal down and to avoid braking at all costs." Yup, you really know more about it then a Nascar race car driver. What a loon you are. caution lap, it takes a COUPLE of laps to get back up to speed. That is what to **** the restrictor plate is FOR, you idiot. And again, a driver would RATHER use the brakes, as opposed to lifting the throttle. Listen and learn. If you watch a plate race, you'll hear And as has been pointed out to you but you refuse to learn, the only time a driver will use the brakes during a restrictor plate race is to avoid hitting someone or to slow down for the pit. They do not normally apply the brakes when going into each turn, as is done in other types of racing. Wrong. Period. Daytona. many, many drivers will set the car in turn 3 (it's kina rough there) by tapping the brakes. Even if that were true (which it isn't) tapping the brakes when entering one turn on the a 2.5 mile track does not constitute using the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. It's a lot closer to the 1%, as I have claimed. However, the drivers who do "set the car" by tapping the brakes will lose positions on the track. No, not so. Again, showing your idiocy. LISTEN to the commentators, all of them former drivers or crew chiefs. They ALWAYS talk about using the brake as opposed to lifting the throttle. It's how it's done. As proven in previous threads, you just don't understand english. When someone says that a driver will use the brakes instead of lifting the throttle, that doesn't mean they use the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. It means that the very few times during a 500 mile race that they may need to slow down for some reason, they'll use the brakes instead of lifting the throttle. But they can go for many laps in a row without needing to lift the throttle *or* touch the brakes at all. For you to deny that's true proves you don't understand that type of racing in the slightest. Daryl, or Benny etc. state at least once during the race, that they use the brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle, and why. Again, you hear someone say something and don't know how to apply it. So, I'll ask you once again to put up or shut up. There are thousands of web sites devoted to Nascar racing. Find just 2 reputable ones that say during restrictor plate racing, the driver will use the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. If you can't do that, it's time for you to shut up and stop displaying your ignorance to the world. What a ****ing moron you are!!! You REALLY believe that they don't use brakes??? Unbelievable! What's the matter idiot? You can't find ANY source that says drivers use their brakes quite a lot during restrictor plate races as you have claimed? Put up or shut up. There just aren't a lot of websites about racing for people who don't understand a damned thing about it. It is such common knowledge that the use brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle on superspeedways, that there just isn't alot of verbage on the subject. I mean, you won't find a lot of talk about the racing shoes they wear, but that doesn't mean they don't wear them! And yet it took me all of 2 minutes to find http://www.coxmarketinggroup.com/media2.cfm?ID=145 And that's just in the first few sites of the thousands that turned up on google. And I don't think you even tried to search for info on the racing shoes they wear. Because if you did, you'd find it. More proof of your ineptness. Steve |
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Actually his regurgitation is not really right.
The driver can manually do that by turning a knob that's located right by the shifter handle. One revolution clockwise would adjust the front and one revolution counter clockwise would adjust the rear. One knob. Turn it clockwise and more force goes to the front and less to the back. And vs. versa. All modern cars have brake bias built into the master cylinder or a valve just out from it. Just not adjustable the NASCAR way. Chevy Blazer 4x4 had a recall for a switch that changed the bias. Thought it was in 4x4 all the time and reduced rear braking and increased front braking force. Ate up front pads fierce. "Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message ... On 10 Nov 2003 09:47:11 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message driver can adjust brake bias from his seat, just a turn of the knob. Something else you've read somewhere and don't know how to apply? Nice. Steve Are you saying that it isn't done? Really? Hell, every Winston cup car now has the ability to adjust brake bias from the cockpit. Anybody that knows anything about racing knows this: this is from Dale Jarrett's crew chief, a little Q and A session on nascar.com: Of course it's done. But the part you snipped shows that you have no idea what adjusting the brake bias does and doesn't do. Question: We hear a lot about the driver's ability to change the brake bias in the car while driving, but they never explain how it actually works and how the driver changes it. At which tracks would they use this more than others and why? ANSWER: You have a brake bias adjustor that adjusts the front to rear brake bias. The driver can manually do that by turning a knob that's located right by the shifter handle. One revolution clockwise would adjust the front and one revolution counter clockwise would adjust the rear. The adjustor changes the bias by about 30 to 50 pounds per revolution. The driver only adjusts the brake bias during a run for fuel burn-off or because the car is pushing or is loose. Still don't think it's done? Still don't think I knew what I was talking about? Yes, I still don't think you know what you're talking about. Because it is not relavent at all in your post where you first brought up adjusting the brake bias. Now that you've looked it up on the web, I'm glad to see that you've learned what it does (well, maybe not learned but at least you can regurgitate a blurb about it) because you didn't know before. Now you can go back and look at the part you snipped to see why it's irrelavent. Now that you've proven that it may be possible for you to learn something, let's see if you can use that power to realize that drivers don't use the brakes "quite a lot" during restrictor plate races. In fact, they avoid using the brakes at all costs because in that type of racing, just a tap of the brakes costs them positions. Steve |
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On 10 Nov 2003 09:38:53 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 10 Nov 2003 04:31:57 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Nov 2003 04:58:19 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message lol... rpm's come back quicker. Loosing rpm's for a full lap... You have no idea what you're talking about. Let me give you a hint: if a driver brakes in the middle of racing during a restrictor plate race, he's gonna loose a whole lot of positions. And they are tough to get back. You idiot, you have apparently never listened or watched a restrictor plate race, and have no knowledge of the subject. Restrictor plate cars DO take up to a lap to come back up to full speed. After a And that's exactly why they DON'T apply the brakes. You're contradicting yourself, again. Try to follow along, you ignorant oaf. AGAIN, they use the brakes, as opposed to lifting off of the throttle, because with restrictor plates, if you are still shoving fuel/air mixture down it, the engine will come back up to speed quicker than if you lift off of the throttle. It's been said time and time again, some comentator mentions it at least once in every plate race. I surprised you've never heard it, so apparently you don't follow racing. We know you don't follow racing, or ir you do and you just don't understand it. Which is it? I surely follow it more closely than you! If you think they don't use brakes on superspeedways!!! That is just laughable! Again, you must know more than almost all of the drivers, past and present. They DO use the brakes, as opposed to lifting the throttle. When they get in a draft, the car sucks up to the car in front of it FAST, and they don't lift the throttle, they brake. Again, you probably should listen to a few superspeedway races before making idiotic allegations. You are hilarious in your misunderstanding of that type of racing. They are almost always in a draft because they are usually bunched up and yet they don't brake. So you think you know more about racing then Todd Bodine, who says specifically at http://www.coxmarketinggroup.com/media2.cfm?ID=145 that at restrictor plate races, "My role really is to mash the pedal down and to avoid braking at all costs." Yup, you really know more about it then a Nascar race car driver. What a loon you are. caution lap, it takes a COUPLE of laps to get back up to speed. That is what to **** the restrictor plate is FOR, you idiot. And again, a driver would RATHER use the brakes, as opposed to lifting the throttle. Listen and learn. If you watch a plate race, you'll hear And as has been pointed out to you but you refuse to learn, the only time a driver will use the brakes during a restrictor plate race is to avoid hitting someone or to slow down for the pit. They do not normally apply the brakes when going into each turn, as is done in other types of racing. Wrong. Period. Daytona. many, many drivers will set the car in turn 3 (it's kina rough there) by tapping the brakes. Even if that were true (which it isn't) tapping the brakes when entering one turn on the a 2.5 mile track does not constitute using the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. It's a lot closer to the 1%, as I have claimed. However, the drivers who do "set the car" by tapping the brakes will lose positions on the track. No, not so. Again, showing your idiocy. LISTEN to the commentators, all of them former drivers or crew chiefs. They ALWAYS talk about using the brake as opposed to lifting the throttle. It's how it's done. As proven in previous threads, you just don't understand english. When someone says that a driver will use the brakes instead of lifting the throttle, that doesn't mean they use the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. It means that the very few times during a 500 mile race that they may need to slow down for some reason, they'll use the brakes instead of lifting the throttle. But they can go for many laps in a row without needing to lift the throttle *or* touch the brakes at all. For you to deny that's true proves you don't understand that type of racing in the slightest. Daryl, or Benny etc. state at least once during the race, that they use the brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle, and why. Again, you hear someone say something and don't know how to apply it. So, I'll ask you once again to put up or shut up. There are thousands of web sites devoted to Nascar racing. Find just 2 reputable ones that say during restrictor plate racing, the driver will use the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. If you can't do that, it's time for you to shut up and stop displaying your ignorance to the world. What a ****ing moron you are!!! You REALLY believe that they don't use brakes??? Unbelievable! What's the matter idiot? You can't find ANY source that says drivers use their brakes quite a lot during restrictor plate races as you have claimed? Put up or shut up. There just aren't a lot of websites about racing for people who don't understand a damned thing about it. It is such common knowledge that the use brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle on superspeedways, that there just isn't alot of verbage on the subject. I mean, you won't find a lot of talk about the racing shoes they wear, but that doesn't mean they don't wear them! And yet it took me all of 2 minutes to find http://www.coxmarketinggroup.com/media2.cfm?ID=145 And that's just in the first few sites of the thousands that turned up on google. And I don't think you even tried to search for info on the racing shoes they wear. Because if you did, you'd find it. More proof of your ineptness. Steve You stupid putz!!! Of COURSE, in a perfect scenario, they'd never brake, nor would the ever lift. You know nothing about racing. Do you honestly think that everything you need to know about racing can be found via websites?? Well, then let's try this: read up, then go to either Barber's racing school, or Richard Petty Driving Experience, and see what you've learned. What a boob you are. I have contended from the beginning, that they use brakes at superspeedways. I have also contended from the beginning that they use the brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle for reasons very obvious to someone who knows ANYTHING about restrictor plate racing. You've proven, as usual, that you know only what you've gotten from a webpage. |
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On 10 Nov 2003 09:47:11 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message driver can adjust brake bias from his seat, just a turn of the knob. Something else you've read somewhere and don't know how to apply? Nice. Steve Are you saying that it isn't done? Really? Hell, every Winston cup car now has the ability to adjust brake bias from the cockpit. Anybody that knows anything about racing knows this: this is from Dale Jarrett's crew chief, a little Q and A session on nascar.com: Of course it's done. But the part you snipped shows that you have no idea what adjusting the brake bias does and doesn't do. Question: We hear a lot about the driver's ability to change the brake bias in the car while driving, but they never explain how it actually works and how the driver changes it. At which tracks would they use this more than others and why? ANSWER: You have a brake bias adjustor that adjusts the front to rear brake bias. The driver can manually do that by turning a knob that's located right by the shifter handle. One revolution clockwise would adjust the front and one revolution counter clockwise would adjust the rear. The adjustor changes the bias by about 30 to 50 pounds per revolution. The driver only adjusts the brake bias during a run for fuel burn-off or because the car is pushing or is loose. Still don't think it's done? Still don't think I knew what I was talking about? Yes, I still don't think you know what you're talking about. Because it is not relavent at all in your post where you first brought up adjusting the brake bias. Now that you've looked it up on the web, I'm glad to see that you've learned what it does (well, maybe not learned but at least you can regurgitate a blurb about it) because you didn't know before. Now you can go back and look at the part you snipped to see why it's irrelavent. Now that you've proven that it may be possible for you to learn something, let's see if you can use that power to realize that drivers don't use the brakes "quite a lot" during restrictor plate races. In fact, they avoid using the brakes at all costs because in that type of racing, just a tap of the brakes costs them positions. Steve You idiot! ANYTHING you do in "that type of racing" "costs them positions". But, sometimes things need to be done. If someone, in a drafting situation, hasn't got anybody to get out of line with them, and they are faster WHEN IN THE DRAFT, they will use brakes to keep from hitting the person in front of them. You may not know this (oh, but of COURSE you do!) but aerodynamics is very important. If they mess up the nose of the race car even a little, their chances are not good. Now, they brake, as opposed to lifting off of the throttle for reasons anybody associated with racing knows. |
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On 11 Nov 2003 04:26:15 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 10 Nov 2003 09:47:11 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message driver can adjust brake bias from his seat, just a turn of the knob. Something else you've read somewhere and don't know how to apply? Nice. Are you saying that it isn't done? Really? Hell, every Winston cup car now has the ability to adjust brake bias from the cockpit. Anybody that knows anything about racing knows this: this is from Dale Jarrett's crew chief, a little Q and A session on nascar.com: Of course it's done. But the part you snipped shows that you have no idea what adjusting the brake bias does and doesn't do. Question: We hear a lot about the driver's ability to change the brake bias in the car while driving, but they never explain how it actually works and how the driver changes it. At which tracks would they use this more than others and why? ANSWER: You have a brake bias adjustor that adjusts the front to rear brake bias. The driver can manually do that by turning a knob that's located right by the shifter handle. One revolution clockwise would adjust the front and one revolution counter clockwise would adjust the rear. The adjustor changes the bias by about 30 to 50 pounds per revolution. The driver only adjusts the brake bias during a run for fuel burn-off or because the car is pushing or is loose. Still don't think it's done? Still don't think I knew what I was talking about? Yes, I still don't think you know what you're talking about. Because it is not relavent at all in your post where you first brought up adjusting the brake bias. Now that you've looked it up on the web, I'm glad to see that you've learned what it does (well, maybe not learned but at least you can regurgitate a blurb about it) because you didn't know before. Now you can go back and look at the part you snipped to see why it's irrelavent. Now that you've proven that it may be possible for you to learn something, let's see if you can use that power to realize that drivers don't use the brakes "quite a lot" during restrictor plate races. In fact, they avoid using the brakes at all costs because in that type of racing, just a tap of the brakes costs them positions. Steve You idiot! ANYTHING you do in "that type of racing" "costs them positions". But, sometimes things need to be done. If someone, in a Wrong. Driving in line with the pedal to the floor and not touching the brakes does not cost them positions. That's why they do it. drafting situation, hasn't got anybody to get out of line with them, and they are faster WHEN IN THE DRAFT, they will use brakes to keep from hitting the person in front of them. You may not know this (oh, Yup, you really don't know what you're talking about. For instance, did you know that when two cars in a very close draft (i.e., not more then a few feet apart) as they typically are in restrictor plate racing, that the front car is also helped by the draft and can go faster then if it were on it's own? And just how often in a restrictor plate race do you think that a car come up from behind and into a draft fast enougn that they have to hit the brakes? but of COURSE you do!) but aerodynamics is very important. If they mess up the nose of the race car even a little, their chances are not Yup, yet again you don't know what you're talking about. In that situation, many times instead of using the brakes or lifting off the throttle, the driver behind will touch and push the car in front. They do that because it helps both cars. Hitting the brakes will only hurt the driver behind significantly, and the one in front slightly since they won't get the push that they would have otherwise gotten if the car behind didn't brake. good. Now, they brake, as opposed to lifting off of the throttle for reasons anybody associated with racing knows. Apparently that discounts you. I'm still waiting for you to prove your point that they use the brakes quite a lot in restrictor plate races as I have proven that they don't. Put up or shut up. Steve |
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On 11 Nov 2003 04:21:15 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 10 Nov 2003 09:38:53 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 10 Nov 2003 04:31:57 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Nov 2003 04:58:19 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message lol... rpm's come back quicker. Loosing rpm's for a full lap... You have no idea what you're talking about. Let me give you a hint: if a driver brakes in the middle of racing during a restrictor plate race, he's gonna loose a whole lot of positions. And they are tough to get back. You idiot, you have apparently never listened or watched a restrictor plate race, and have no knowledge of the subject. Restrictor plate cars DO take up to a lap to come back up to full speed. After a And that's exactly why they DON'T apply the brakes. You're contradicting yourself, again. Try to follow along, you ignorant oaf. AGAIN, they use the brakes, as opposed to lifting off of the throttle, because with restrictor plates, if you are still shoving fuel/air mixture down it, the engine will come back up to speed quicker than if you lift off of the throttle. It's been said time and time again, some comentator mentions it at least once in every plate race. I surprised you've never heard it, so apparently you don't follow racing. We know you don't follow racing, or ir you do and you just don't understand it. Which is it? I surely follow it more closely than you! If you think they don't use brakes on superspeedways!!! That is just laughable! Again, you must know more than almost all of the drivers, past and present. They DO use the brakes, as opposed to lifting the throttle. When they get in a draft, the car sucks up to the car in front of it FAST, and they don't lift the throttle, they brake. Again, you probably should listen to a few superspeedway races before making idiotic allegations. You are hilarious in your misunderstanding of that type of racing. They are almost always in a draft because they are usually bunched up and yet they don't brake. So you think you know more about racing then Todd Bodine, who says specifically at http://www.coxmarketinggroup.com/media2.cfm?ID=145 that at restrictor plate races, "My role really is to mash the pedal down and to avoid braking at all costs." Yup, you really know more about it then a Nascar race car driver. What a loon you are. caution lap, it takes a COUPLE of laps to get back up to speed. That is what to **** the restrictor plate is FOR, you idiot. And again, a driver would RATHER use the brakes, as opposed to lifting the throttle. Listen and learn. If you watch a plate race, you'll hear And as has been pointed out to you but you refuse to learn, the only time a driver will use the brakes during a restrictor plate race is to avoid hitting someone or to slow down for the pit. They do not normally apply the brakes when going into each turn, as is done in other types of racing. Wrong. Period. Daytona. many, many drivers will set the car in turn 3 (it's kina rough there) by tapping the brakes. Even if that were true (which it isn't) tapping the brakes when entering one turn on the a 2.5 mile track does not constitute using the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. It's a lot closer to the 1%, as I have claimed. However, the drivers who do "set the car" by tapping the brakes will lose positions on the track. No, not so. Again, showing your idiocy. LISTEN to the commentators, all of them former drivers or crew chiefs. They ALWAYS talk about using the brake as opposed to lifting the throttle. It's how it's done. As proven in previous threads, you just don't understand english. When someone says that a driver will use the brakes instead of lifting the throttle, that doesn't mean they use the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. It means that the very few times during a 500 mile race that they may need to slow down for some reason, they'll use the brakes instead of lifting the throttle. But they can go for many laps in a row without needing to lift the throttle *or* touch the brakes at all. For you to deny that's true proves you don't understand that type of racing in the slightest. Daryl, or Benny etc. state at least once during the race, that they use the brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle, and why. Again, you hear someone say something and don't know how to apply it. So, I'll ask you once again to put up or shut up. There are thousands of web sites devoted to Nascar racing. Find just 2 reputable ones that say during restrictor plate racing, the driver will use the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. If you can't do that, it's time for you to shut up and stop displaying your ignorance to the world. What a ****ing moron you are!!! You REALLY believe that they don't use brakes??? Unbelievable! What's the matter idiot? You can't find ANY source that says drivers use their brakes quite a lot during restrictor plate races as you have claimed? Put up or shut up. There just aren't a lot of websites about racing for people who don't understand a damned thing about it. It is such common knowledge that the use brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle on superspeedways, that there just isn't alot of verbage on the subject. I mean, you won't find a lot of talk about the racing shoes they wear, but that doesn't mean they don't wear them! And yet it took me all of 2 minutes to find http://www.coxmarketinggroup.com/media2.cfm?ID=145 And that's just in the first few sites of the thousands that turned up on google. And I don't think you even tried to search for info on the racing shoes they wear. Because if you did, you'd find it. More proof of your ineptness. You stupid putz!!! Of COURSE, in a perfect scenario, they'd never brake, nor would the ever lift. You know nothing about racing. Do you If you could actually read you'd realize that I didn't say they never brake. I said that you are wrong when you claim they use the brakes quite a lot when in fact they try to avoid using them at all costs and can go for many laps in a row without touching the brakes. That's opposed to other types of racing where they have to slow down at every turn. honestly think that everything you need to know about racing can be found via websites?? Well, then let's try this: read up, then go to Not everything. But this subject is hashed out in many places and every single one says you're wrong. either Barber's racing school, or Richard Petty Driving Experience, and see what you've learned. What a boob you are. I have contended Well, I have been through the BMW precision driving school and have done the Richard Petty Driving Experience and I used to race at SCCA sanctioned events. However, none of them as well as the Skip Barber racing school are in any way applicable to restrictor plate racing. The fact that you would even bring them up shows you don't know what you're talking about and have a problem correctly applying information you hear. from the beginning, that they use brakes at superspeedways. I have also contended from the beginning that they use the brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle for reasons very obvious to someone who knows ANYTHING about restrictor plate racing. You've proven, as usual, that you know only what you've gotten from a webpage. And you've proven that you can't even find a single source that supports your point. Steve |
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On 11 Nov 2003 04:21:15 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 10 Nov 2003 09:38:53 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 10 Nov 2003 04:31:57 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ... On 7 Nov 2003 04:58:19 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message lol... rpm's come back quicker. Loosing rpm's for a full lap... You have no idea what you're talking about. Let me give you a hint: if a driver brakes in the middle of racing during a restrictor plate race, he's gonna loose a whole lot of positions. And they are tough to get back. You idiot, you have apparently never listened or watched a restrictor plate race, and have no knowledge of the subject. Restrictor plate cars DO take up to a lap to come back up to full speed. After a And that's exactly why they DON'T apply the brakes. You're contradicting yourself, again. Try to follow along, you ignorant oaf. AGAIN, they use the brakes, as opposed to lifting off of the throttle, because with restrictor plates, if you are still shoving fuel/air mixture down it, the engine will come back up to speed quicker than if you lift off of the throttle. It's been said time and time again, some comentator mentions it at least once in every plate race. I surprised you've never heard it, so apparently you don't follow racing. We know you don't follow racing, or ir you do and you just don't understand it. Which is it? I surely follow it more closely than you! If you think they don't use brakes on superspeedways!!! That is just laughable! Again, you must know more than almost all of the drivers, past and present. They DO use the brakes, as opposed to lifting the throttle. When they get in a draft, the car sucks up to the car in front of it FAST, and they don't lift the throttle, they brake. Again, you probably should listen to a few superspeedway races before making idiotic allegations. You are hilarious in your misunderstanding of that type of racing. They are almost always in a draft because they are usually bunched up and yet they don't brake. So you think you know more about racing then Todd Bodine, who says specifically at http://www.coxmarketinggroup.com/media2.cfm?ID=145 that at restrictor plate races, "My role really is to mash the pedal down and to avoid braking at all costs." Yup, you really know more about it then a Nascar race car driver. What a loon you are. caution lap, it takes a COUPLE of laps to get back up to speed. That is what to **** the restrictor plate is FOR, you idiot. And again, a driver would RATHER use the brakes, as opposed to lifting the throttle. Listen and learn. If you watch a plate race, you'll hear And as has been pointed out to you but you refuse to learn, the only time a driver will use the brakes during a restrictor plate race is to avoid hitting someone or to slow down for the pit. They do not normally apply the brakes when going into each turn, as is done in other types of racing. Wrong. Period. Daytona. many, many drivers will set the car in turn 3 (it's kina rough there) by tapping the brakes. Even if that were true (which it isn't) tapping the brakes when entering one turn on the a 2.5 mile track does not constitute using the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. It's a lot closer to the 1%, as I have claimed. However, the drivers who do "set the car" by tapping the brakes will lose positions on the track. No, not so. Again, showing your idiocy. LISTEN to the commentators, all of them former drivers or crew chiefs. They ALWAYS talk about using the brake as opposed to lifting the throttle. It's how it's done. As proven in previous threads, you just don't understand english. When someone says that a driver will use the brakes instead of lifting the throttle, that doesn't mean they use the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. It means that the very few times during a 500 mile race that they may need to slow down for some reason, they'll use the brakes instead of lifting the throttle. But they can go for many laps in a row without needing to lift the throttle *or* touch the brakes at all. For you to deny that's true proves you don't understand that type of racing in the slightest. Daryl, or Benny etc. state at least once during the race, that they use the brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle, and why. Again, you hear someone say something and don't know how to apply it. So, I'll ask you once again to put up or shut up. There are thousands of web sites devoted to Nascar racing. Find just 2 reputable ones that say during restrictor plate racing, the driver will use the brakes "quite a lot" as you have claimed. If you can't do that, it's time for you to shut up and stop displaying your ignorance to the world. What a ****ing moron you are!!! You REALLY believe that they don't use brakes??? Unbelievable! What's the matter idiot? You can't find ANY source that says drivers use their brakes quite a lot during restrictor plate races as you have claimed? Put up or shut up. There just aren't a lot of websites about racing for people who don't understand a damned thing about it. It is such common knowledge that the use brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle on superspeedways, that there just isn't alot of verbage on the subject. I mean, you won't find a lot of talk about the racing shoes they wear, but that doesn't mean they don't wear them! And yet it took me all of 2 minutes to find http://www.coxmarketinggroup.com/media2.cfm?ID=145 And that's just in the first few sites of the thousands that turned up on google. And I don't think you even tried to search for info on the racing shoes they wear. Because if you did, you'd find it. More proof of your ineptness. You stupid putz!!! Of COURSE, in a perfect scenario, they'd never brake, nor would the ever lift. You know nothing about racing. Do you If you could actually read you'd realize that I didn't say they never brake. I said that you are wrong when you claim they use the brakes quite a lot when in fact they try to avoid using them at all costs and can go for many laps in a row without touching the brakes. That's opposed to other types of racing where they have to slow down at every turn. honestly think that everything you need to know about racing can be found via websites?? Well, then let's try this: read up, then go to Not everything. But this subject is hashed out in many places and every single one says you're wrong. either Barber's racing school, or Richard Petty Driving Experience, and see what you've learned. What a boob you are. I have contended Well, I have been through the BMW precision driving school and have done the Richard Petty Driving Experience and I used to race at SCCA sanctioned events. However, none of them as well as the Skip Barber racing school are in any way applicable to restrictor plate racing. The fact that you would even bring them up shows you don't know what you're talking about and have a problem correctly applying information you hear. BWWAAAAAHAAAAA!!! I just KNEW it!!! As usual, everything anybody EVER mentions, you, in your own eyes are the expert!!! I was just WAITING for that to come out!!!! You are nothing short of a liar. You claim to have been to driving schools and didn't know that in car brake bias adjustment existed!!!! LIAR!!!! from the beginning, that they use brakes at superspeedways. I have also contended from the beginning that they use the brakes as opposed to lifting the throttle for reasons very obvious to someone who knows ANYTHING about restrictor plate racing. You've proven, as usual, that you know only what you've gotten from a webpage. And you've proven that you can't even find a single source that supports your point. Steve Again, I don't use the web for all of my knowledge. Most comes from experience! |
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