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Califbill August 18th 16 08:31 PM

motocycle observation.
 


Was in a freebirds taco joint the other day. They have a huge poster of
Peter Fonda and the Easyrider bikes. They looked odd with narrow rear
tires.

[email protected] August 18th 16 09:32 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:31:37 -0500, Califbill
wrote:



Was in a freebirds taco joint the other day. They have a huge poster of
Peter Fonda and the Easyrider bikes. They looked odd with narrow rear
tires.


The "Hog tire" thing got started in the 70s, after that movie.
I haven't seen the movie for a long time but there seems to be some
confusion about the bike Fonda rode. I have seen pictures of a
Knucklehead at the Harley museum but I see them both riding Panheads
in still shots from the movie. I know they had a couple bikes for each
of them in the movie but I can't imagine them making that mistake.

Tim August 20th 16 03:08 AM

motocycle observation.
 
On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 3:32:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:31:37 -0500, Califbill
wrote:



Was in a freebirds taco joint the other day. They have a huge poster of
Peter Fonda and the Easyrider bikes. They looked odd with narrow rear
tires.


The "Hog tire" thing got started in the 70s, after that movie.
I haven't seen the movie for a long time but there seems to be some
confusion about the bike Fonda rode. I have seen pictures of a
Knucklehead at the Harley museum but I see them both riding Panheads
in still shots from the movie. I know they had a couple bikes for each
of them in the movie but I can't imagine them making that mistake.


probably thought the viewing audience would be to stoned to catch it.

Keyser Soze August 20th 16 12:28 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On 8/19/16 10:08 PM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 3:32:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:31:37 -0500, Califbill
wrote:



Was in a freebirds taco joint the other day. They have a huge poster of
Peter Fonda and the Easyrider bikes. They looked odd with narrow rear
tires.


The "Hog tire" thing got started in the 70s, after that movie.
I haven't seen the movie for a long time but there seems to be some
confusion about the bike Fonda rode. I have seen pictures of a
Knucklehead at the Harley museum but I see them both riding Panheads
in still shots from the movie. I know they had a couple bikes for each
of them in the movie but I can't imagine them making that mistake.


probably thought the viewing audience would be to stoned to catch it.


Or, more likely, wouldn't care.

[email protected] August 20th 16 02:37 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 07:28:46 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/19/16 10:08 PM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 3:32:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:31:37 -0500, Califbill
wrote:



Was in a freebirds taco joint the other day. They have a huge poster of
Peter Fonda and the Easyrider bikes. They looked odd with narrow rear
tires.

The "Hog tire" thing got started in the 70s, after that movie.
I haven't seen the movie for a long time but there seems to be some
confusion about the bike Fonda rode. I have seen pictures of a
Knucklehead at the Harley museum but I see them both riding Panheads
in still shots from the movie. I know they had a couple bikes for each
of them in the movie but I can't imagine them making that mistake.


probably thought the viewing audience would be to stoned to catch it.


Or, more likely, wouldn't care.


Harley people would notice.
It would be like someone talking to you and confusing Kierkegaard with
Nietzsche.

Keyser Soze August 20th 16 02:43 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On 8/20/16 9:37 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 07:28:46 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/19/16 10:08 PM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 3:32:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:31:37 -0500, Califbill
wrote:



Was in a freebirds taco joint the other day. They have a huge poster of
Peter Fonda and the Easyrider bikes. They looked odd with narrow rear
tires.

The "Hog tire" thing got started in the 70s, after that movie.
I haven't seen the movie for a long time but there seems to be some
confusion about the bike Fonda rode. I have seen pictures of a
Knucklehead at the Harley museum but I see them both riding Panheads
in still shots from the movie. I know they had a couple bikes for each
of them in the movie but I can't imagine them making that mistake.

probably thought the viewing audience would be to stoned to catch it.


Or, more likely, wouldn't care.


Harley people would notice.
It would be like someone talking to you and confusing Kierkegaard with
Nietzsche.


It's a fictional "guy movie" of a road trip that ends badly.

[email protected] August 20th 16 03:36 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 09:43:24 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/20/16 9:37 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 07:28:46 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/19/16 10:08 PM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 3:32:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:31:37 -0500, Califbill
wrote:



Was in a freebirds taco joint the other day. They have a huge poster of
Peter Fonda and the Easyrider bikes. They looked odd with narrow rear
tires.

The "Hog tire" thing got started in the 70s, after that movie.
I haven't seen the movie for a long time but there seems to be some
confusion about the bike Fonda rode. I have seen pictures of a
Knucklehead at the Harley museum but I see them both riding Panheads
in still shots from the movie. I know they had a couple bikes for each
of them in the movie but I can't imagine them making that mistake.

probably thought the viewing audience would be to stoned to catch it.


Or, more likely, wouldn't care.


Harley people would notice.
It would be like someone talking to you and confusing Kierkegaard with
Nietzsche.


It's a fictional "guy movie" of a road trip that ends badly.


I was not that enamored with the movie. It looks like a freshman film
school project. The music selection was good but that was about it.
We were just talking about the motorcycles.

[email protected] August 20th 16 09:52 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 16:26:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


I didn't put the movie down, JackGoff. And it really isn't a movie about
motorcycles.


The motorcycles are certainly the stars of the movie, particularly
Fonda's. Other than that it is just a music video with 15 or 20 pages
of random dialog cut in. As I said earlier, the soundtrack album is
better than a DVD of the movie. I have a half dozen of the songs in my
playlist but I have not watched the movie in 30 years.

Keyser Soze August 20th 16 11:21 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On 8/20/16 4:52 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 16:26:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


I didn't put the movie down, JackGoff. And it really isn't a movie about
motorcycles.


The motorcycles are certainly the stars of the movie, particularly
Fonda's. Other than that it is just a music video with 15 or 20 pages
of random dialog cut in. As I said earlier, the soundtrack album is
better than a DVD of the movie. I have a half dozen of the songs in my
playlist but I have not watched the movie in 30 years.


Opinions are like assholes.The motorcycles were props. A simple review
on Wiki notes, correctly:

A landmark counterculture film, and a "touchstone for a generation" that
"captured the national imagination", Easy Rider explores the societal
landscape, issues, and tensions in the United States during the 1960s,
such as the rise and fall of the hippie movement, drug use, and communal
lifestyle. In Easy Rider, real drugs were used in scenes showing the use
of marijuana and other substances.

You might have paid more attention to what the movie was saying, rather
than just to the motorcycles.



[email protected] August 21st 16 12:44 AM

motocycle observation.
 
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 18:21:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/20/16 4:52 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 16:26:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


I didn't put the movie down, JackGoff. And it really isn't a movie about
motorcycles.


The motorcycles are certainly the stars of the movie, particularly
Fonda's. Other than that it is just a music video with 15 or 20 pages
of random dialog cut in. As I said earlier, the soundtrack album is
better than a DVD of the movie. I have a half dozen of the songs in my
playlist but I have not watched the movie in 30 years.


Opinions are like assholes.The motorcycles were props.


Yeah, like "Bruce" was just a prop in Jaws.

A simple review
on Wiki notes, correctly:

A landmark counterculture film, and a "touchstone for a generation" that
"captured the national imagination", Easy Rider explores the societal
landscape, issues, and tensions in the United States during the 1960s,
such as the rise and fall of the hippie movement, drug use, and communal
lifestyle. In Easy Rider, real drugs were used in scenes showing the use
of marijuana and other substances.


It shows in the directing (Hopper)


You might have paid more attention to what the movie was saying, rather
than just to the motorcycles.


What did it say? Smoke dope, drop acid and get murdered?
Real inspirational.
It is amusing that as soon as I said I didn't really care for the
movie that much, you flip flopped and became a raving fan.

Did I ever tell you how much I admire Hillary Clinton ;-)


Keyser Söze August 21st 16 12:56 AM

motocycle observation.
 
wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 18:21:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/20/16 4:52 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 16:26:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


I didn't put the movie down, JackGoff. And it really isn't a movie about
motorcycles.

The motorcycles are certainly the stars of the movie, particularly
Fonda's. Other than that it is just a music video with 15 or 20 pages
of random dialog cut in. As I said earlier, the soundtrack album is
better than a DVD of the movie. I have a half dozen of the songs in my
playlist but I have not watched the movie in 30 years.


Opinions are like assholes.The motorcycles were props.


Yeah, like "Bruce" was just a prop in Jaws.

A simple review
on Wiki notes, correctly:

A landmark counterculture film, and a "touchstone for a generation" that
"captured the national imagination", Easy Rider explores the societal
landscape, issues, and tensions in the United States during the 1960s,
such as the rise and fall of the hippie movement, drug use, and communal
lifestyle. In Easy Rider, real drugs were used in scenes showing the use
of marijuana and other substances.


It shows in the directing (Hopper)


You might have paid more attention to what the movie was saying, rather
than just to the motorcycles.


What did it say? Smoke dope, drop acid and get murdered?
Real inspirational.
It is amusing that as soon as I said I didn't really care for the
movie that much, you flip flopped and became a raving fan.

Did I ever tell you how much I admire Hillary Clinton ;-)



It isn't one of my favorite movies, but I appreciate what it had to say
about our culture at the time.

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

[email protected] August 21st 16 01:48 AM

motocycle observation.
 
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:56:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:



What did it say? Smoke dope, drop acid and get murdered?
Real inspirational.
It is amusing that as soon as I said I didn't really care for the
movie that much, you flip flopped and became a raving fan.

Did I ever tell you how much I admire Hillary Clinton ;-)



It isn't one of my favorite movies, but I appreciate what it had to say
about our culture at the time.


Again, what exactly did it say? Smuggle cocaine, make enough money to
smoke dope, drop acid and ride around ****ing up until you give the
finger to the wrong redneck and get shot.
It certainly did not relate much to the America I knew in 1969 and I
doubt it did for you either. You only believe it was inspirational
because arty people said it was. The fact that you had to go to a wiki
page for the review seems to back that up.

Next time I am bored I will watch it again to see if there was some
hidden message I missed or really give a **** about.
I am really more curious if they did mix pan heads and knuckle heads
though. The best I can find is they used a 52 and a 54 Harley (pan
heads) for Captain America and one of them was totaled during the
shooting of the movie.
That is more interesting than whether they were dropping the green
acid or the brown acid at Marti Gras.

Keyser Soze August 21st 16 12:12 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On 8/20/16 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:56:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:



What did it say? Smoke dope, drop acid and get murdered?
Real inspirational.
It is amusing that as soon as I said I didn't really care for the
movie that much, you flip flopped and became a raving fan.

Did I ever tell you how much I admire Hillary Clinton ;-)



It isn't one of my favorite movies, but I appreciate what it had to say
about our culture at the time.


Again, what exactly did it say? Smuggle cocaine, make enough money to
smoke dope, drop acid and ride around ****ing up until you give the
finger to the wrong redneck and get shot.
It certainly did not relate much to the America I knew in 1969 and I
doubt it did for you either. You only believe it was inspirational
because arty people said it was. The fact that you had to go to a wiki
page for the review seems to back that up.

Next time I am bored I will watch it again to see if there was some
hidden message I missed or really give a **** about.
I am really more curious if they did mix pan heads and knuckle heads
though. The best I can find is they used a 52 and a 54 Harley (pan
heads) for Captain America and one of them was totaled during the
shooting of the movie.
That is more interesting than whether they were dropping the green
acid or the brown acid at Marti Gras.


I quoted from the Wiki page because it was fast, easy, and simple. This
is rec.boats, after all.

"Arty people." Love it.

[email protected] August 21st 16 05:32 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 07:12:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/20/16 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:56:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:



What did it say? Smoke dope, drop acid and get murdered?
Real inspirational.
It is amusing that as soon as I said I didn't really care for the
movie that much, you flip flopped and became a raving fan.

Did I ever tell you how much I admire Hillary Clinton ;-)



It isn't one of my favorite movies, but I appreciate what it had to say
about our culture at the time.


Again, what exactly did it say? Smuggle cocaine, make enough money to
smoke dope, drop acid and ride around ****ing up until you give the
finger to the wrong redneck and get shot.
It certainly did not relate much to the America I knew in 1969 and I
doubt it did for you either. You only believe it was inspirational
because arty people said it was. The fact that you had to go to a wiki
page for the review seems to back that up.

Next time I am bored I will watch it again to see if there was some
hidden message I missed or really give a **** about.
I am really more curious if they did mix pan heads and knuckle heads
though. The best I can find is they used a 52 and a 54 Harley (pan
heads) for Captain America and one of them was totaled during the
shooting of the movie.
That is more interesting than whether they were dropping the green
acid or the brown acid at Marti Gras.


I quoted from the Wiki page because it was fast, easy, and simple. This
is rec.boats, after all.

"Arty people." Love it.


I think most of the "message" comes from the song lyrics in the sound
track. In that regard, Roger McGuinn, Bob Dylan, Carole King and Mars
Bonfire should have relieved screen writer credits. They wrote most of
the definitive thoughts. When you watch the movie, the most compelling
scenes are helicopter and dolly shots of them riding through the
countryside or walking around, with a catchy tune playing. Hence my
statement that it is largely a music video.

Keyser Soze August 21st 16 05:46 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On 8/21/16 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 07:12:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/20/16 8:48 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:56:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:


What did it say? Smoke dope, drop acid and get murdered?
Real inspirational.
It is amusing that as soon as I said I didn't really care for the
movie that much, you flip flopped and became a raving fan.

Did I ever tell you how much I admire Hillary Clinton ;-)



It isn't one of my favorite movies, but I appreciate what it had to say
about our culture at the time.

Again, what exactly did it say? Smuggle cocaine, make enough money to
smoke dope, drop acid and ride around ****ing up until you give the
finger to the wrong redneck and get shot.
It certainly did not relate much to the America I knew in 1969 and I
doubt it did for you either. You only believe it was inspirational
because arty people said it was. The fact that you had to go to a wiki
page for the review seems to back that up.

Next time I am bored I will watch it again to see if there was some
hidden message I missed or really give a **** about.
I am really more curious if they did mix pan heads and knuckle heads
though. The best I can find is they used a 52 and a 54 Harley (pan
heads) for Captain America and one of them was totaled during the
shooting of the movie.
That is more interesting than whether they were dropping the green
acid or the brown acid at Marti Gras.


I quoted from the Wiki page because it was fast, easy, and simple. This
is rec.boats, after all.

"Arty people." Love it.


I think most of the "message" comes from the song lyrics in the sound
track. In that regard, Roger McGuinn, Bob Dylan, Carole King and Mars
Bonfire should have relieved screen writer credits. They wrote most of
the definitive thoughts. When you watch the movie, the most compelling
scenes are helicopter and dolly shots of them riding through the
countryside or walking around, with a catchy tune playing. Hence my
statement that it is largely a music video.


You just don't understand the movie.

Roger Ebert said this about it, among other things:

Its strong point is the role of the self-proclaimed rebel in a
conformist society. It's not just bike freaks who get in trouble when
they challenge the establishment -- it's everybody, even Old George
(Jack Nicholson character).

And yet, "Easy Rider" suggests, it's not as simple as that. We almost
forget that the Fonda and Hopper characters have also sold out. Victims
can sell out just as well as their persecutors. They sold out because
what they were trying to be was the mirror image of the rednecks in the
truck, and neither life-style is healthy. And so there they were, their
gas tanks stuffed full of bribes from the establishment, and you
remember hearing somewhere that, in the South, "easy rider" is slang for
a prostitute's lover.

I suspect there are hundreds of classic and near-classic films you don't
get, and that would include most of the "foreign films" of the 50's and
60's. You seem to suffer from ennui about many things ethereal and
artistic. Opera, after all, is nothing more than silly plots and
costumes with singing, right? :)

[email protected] August 21st 16 07:26 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 12:46:00 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You just don't understand the movie.

Roger Ebert said this about it, among other things:

Its strong point is the role of the self-proclaimed rebel in a
conformist society. It's not just bike freaks who get in trouble when
they challenge the establishment -- it's everybody, even Old George
(Jack Nicholson character).

And yet, "Easy Rider" suggests, it's not as simple as that. We almost
forget that the Fonda and Hopper characters have also sold out. Victims
can sell out just as well as their persecutors. They sold out because
what they were trying to be was the mirror image of the rednecks in the
truck, and neither life-style is healthy. And so there they were, their
gas tanks stuffed full of bribes from the establishment, and you
remember hearing somewhere that, in the South, "easy rider" is slang for
a prostitute's lover.

I suspect there are hundreds of classic and near-classic films you don't
get, and that would include most of the "foreign films" of the 50's and
60's. You seem to suffer from ennui about many things ethereal and
artistic. Opera, after all, is nothing more than silly plots and
costumes with singing, right? :)


I understand the movie but to say the bikes were just props and the
narrative was not driven by the soundtrack is naive.

You are being as silly as saying the songs do not tell the story in
the opera

Keyser Soze August 21st 16 07:47 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On 8/21/16 2:26 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 12:46:00 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You just don't understand the movie.

Roger Ebert said this about it, among other things:

Its strong point is the role of the self-proclaimed rebel in a
conformist society. It's not just bike freaks who get in trouble when
they challenge the establishment -- it's everybody, even Old George
(Jack Nicholson character).

And yet, "Easy Rider" suggests, it's not as simple as that. We almost
forget that the Fonda and Hopper characters have also sold out. Victims
can sell out just as well as their persecutors. They sold out because
what they were trying to be was the mirror image of the rednecks in the
truck, and neither life-style is healthy. And so there they were, their
gas tanks stuffed full of bribes from the establishment, and you
remember hearing somewhere that, in the South, "easy rider" is slang for
a prostitute's lover.

I suspect there are hundreds of classic and near-classic films you don't
get, and that would include most of the "foreign films" of the 50's and
60's. You seem to suffer from ennui about many things ethereal and
artistic. Opera, after all, is nothing more than silly plots and
costumes with singing, right? :)


I understand the movie but to say the bikes were just props and the
narrative was not driven by the soundtrack is naive.

You are being as silly as saying the songs do not tell the story in
the opera


The songs are the story in opera.

[email protected] August 22nd 16 05:30 AM

motocycle observation.
 
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 14:47:12 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/21/16 2:26 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 12:46:00 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You just don't understand the movie.

Roger Ebert said this about it, among other things:

Its strong point is the role of the self-proclaimed rebel in a
conformist society. It's not just bike freaks who get in trouble when
they challenge the establishment -- it's everybody, even Old George
(Jack Nicholson character).

And yet, "Easy Rider" suggests, it's not as simple as that. We almost
forget that the Fonda and Hopper characters have also sold out. Victims
can sell out just as well as their persecutors. They sold out because
what they were trying to be was the mirror image of the rednecks in the
truck, and neither life-style is healthy. And so there they were, their
gas tanks stuffed full of bribes from the establishment, and you
remember hearing somewhere that, in the South, "easy rider" is slang for
a prostitute's lover.

I suspect there are hundreds of classic and near-classic films you don't
get, and that would include most of the "foreign films" of the 50's and
60's. You seem to suffer from ennui about many things ethereal and
artistic. Opera, after all, is nothing more than silly plots and
costumes with singing, right? :)


I understand the movie but to say the bikes were just props and the
narrative was not driven by the soundtrack is naive.

You are being as silly as saying the songs do not tell the story in
the opera


The songs are the story in opera.


So we will just call Easy Rider a motorcycle opera and get on with our
lives.

Wayne.B August 22nd 16 12:46 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 00:30:11 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 14:47:12 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/21/16 2:26 PM,
wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 12:46:00 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You just don't understand the movie.

Roger Ebert said this about it, among other things:

Its strong point is the role of the self-proclaimed rebel in a
conformist society. It's not just bike freaks who get in trouble when
they challenge the establishment -- it's everybody, even Old George
(Jack Nicholson character).

And yet, "Easy Rider" suggests, it's not as simple as that. We almost
forget that the Fonda and Hopper characters have also sold out. Victims
can sell out just as well as their persecutors. They sold out because
what they were trying to be was the mirror image of the rednecks in the
truck, and neither life-style is healthy. And so there they were, their
gas tanks stuffed full of bribes from the establishment, and you
remember hearing somewhere that, in the South, "easy rider" is slang for
a prostitute's lover.

I suspect there are hundreds of classic and near-classic films you don't
get, and that would include most of the "foreign films" of the 50's and
60's. You seem to suffer from ennui about many things ethereal and
artistic. Opera, after all, is nothing more than silly plots and
costumes with singing, right? :)

I understand the movie but to say the bikes were just props and the
narrative was not driven by the soundtrack is naive.

You are being as silly as saying the songs do not tell the story in
the opera


The songs are the story in opera.


So we will just call Easy Rider a motorcycle opera and get on with our
lives.


===

It's a good thing that Harry could rely on Roger Ebert to explain the
movie to him. :-)

Keyser Soze August 22nd 16 01:00 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On 8/22/16 12:30 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 14:47:12 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/21/16 2:26 PM,
wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 12:46:00 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You just don't understand the movie.

Roger Ebert said this about it, among other things:

Its strong point is the role of the self-proclaimed rebel in a
conformist society. It's not just bike freaks who get in trouble when
they challenge the establishment -- it's everybody, even Old George
(Jack Nicholson character).

And yet, "Easy Rider" suggests, it's not as simple as that. We almost
forget that the Fonda and Hopper characters have also sold out. Victims
can sell out just as well as their persecutors. They sold out because
what they were trying to be was the mirror image of the rednecks in the
truck, and neither life-style is healthy. And so there they were, their
gas tanks stuffed full of bribes from the establishment, and you
remember hearing somewhere that, in the South, "easy rider" is slang for
a prostitute's lover.

I suspect there are hundreds of classic and near-classic films you don't
get, and that would include most of the "foreign films" of the 50's and
60's. You seem to suffer from ennui about many things ethereal and
artistic. Opera, after all, is nothing more than silly plots and
costumes with singing, right? :)

I understand the movie but to say the bikes were just props and the
narrative was not driven by the soundtrack is naive.

You are being as silly as saying the songs do not tell the story in
the opera


The songs are the story in opera.


So we will just call Easy Rider a motorcycle opera and get on with our
lives.



Whatever works for you, even if it is wrong.


Tim August 22nd 16 01:37 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 11:46:02 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/21/16 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 07:12:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/20/16 8:48 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:56:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:


What did it say? Smoke dope, drop acid and get murdered?
Real inspirational.
It is amusing that as soon as I said I didn't really care for the
movie that much, you flip flopped and became a raving fan.

Did I ever tell you how much I admire Hillary Clinton ;-)



It isn't one of my favorite movies, but I appreciate what it had to say
about our culture at the time.

Again, what exactly did it say? Smuggle cocaine, make enough money to
smoke dope, drop acid and ride around ****ing up until you give the
finger to the wrong redneck and get shot.
It certainly did not relate much to the America I knew in 1969 and I
doubt it did for you either. You only believe it was inspirational
because arty people said it was. The fact that you had to go to a wiki
page for the review seems to back that up.

Next time I am bored I will watch it again to see if there was some
hidden message I missed or really give a **** about.
I am really more curious if they did mix pan heads and knuckle heads
though. The best I can find is they used a 52 and a 54 Harley (pan
heads) for Captain America and one of them was totaled during the
shooting of the movie.
That is more interesting than whether they were dropping the green
acid or the brown acid at Marti Gras.


I quoted from the Wiki page because it was fast, easy, and simple. This
is rec.boats, after all.

"Arty people." Love it.


I think most of the "message" comes from the song lyrics in the sound
track. In that regard, Roger McGuinn, Bob Dylan, Carole King and Mars
Bonfire should have relieved screen writer credits. They wrote most of
the definitive thoughts. When you watch the movie, the most compelling
scenes are helicopter and dolly shots of them riding through the
countryside or walking around, with a catchy tune playing. Hence my
statement that it is largely a music video.


You just don't understand the movie.

Roger Ebert said this about it, among other things:

Its strong point is the role of the self-proclaimed rebel in a
conformist society. It's not just bike freaks who get in trouble when
they challenge the establishment -- it's everybody, even Old George
(Jack Nicholson character).

And yet, "Easy Rider" suggests, it's not as simple as that. We almost
forget that the Fonda and Hopper characters have also sold out. Victims
can sell out just as well as their persecutors. They sold out because
what they were trying to be was the mirror image of the rednecks in the
truck, and neither life-style is healthy. And so there they were, their
gas tanks stuffed full of bribes from the establishment, and you
remember hearing somewhere that, in the South, "easy rider" is slang for
a prostitute's lover.

I suspect there are hundreds of classic and near-classic films you don't
get, and that would include most of the "foreign films" of the 50's and
60's. You seem to suffer from ennui about many things ethereal and
artistic. Opera, after all, is nothing more than silly plots and
costumes with singing, right? :)


Well then, I guess it really wasn't "It's a fictional "guy movie" of a road trip that ends badly. " after all

Its Me August 22nd 16 01:54 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 11:46:02 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/21/16 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 07:12:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/20/16 8:48 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:56:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:


What did it say? Smoke dope, drop acid and get murdered?
Real inspirational.
It is amusing that as soon as I said I didn't really care for the
movie that much, you flip flopped and became a raving fan.

Did I ever tell you how much I admire Hillary Clinton ;-)



It isn't one of my favorite movies, but I appreciate what it had to say
about our culture at the time.

Again, what exactly did it say? Smuggle cocaine, make enough money to
smoke dope, drop acid and ride around ****ing up until you give the
finger to the wrong redneck and get shot.
It certainly did not relate much to the America I knew in 1969 and I
doubt it did for you either. You only believe it was inspirational
because arty people said it was. The fact that you had to go to a wiki
page for the review seems to back that up.

Next time I am bored I will watch it again to see if there was some
hidden message I missed or really give a **** about.
I am really more curious if they did mix pan heads and knuckle heads
though. The best I can find is they used a 52 and a 54 Harley (pan
heads) for Captain America and one of them was totaled during the
shooting of the movie.
That is more interesting than whether they were dropping the green
acid or the brown acid at Marti Gras.


I quoted from the Wiki page because it was fast, easy, and simple. This
is rec.boats, after all.

"Arty people." Love it.

I think most of the "message" comes from the song lyrics in the sound
track. In that regard, Roger McGuinn, Bob Dylan, Carole King and Mars
Bonfire should have relieved screen writer credits. They wrote most of
the definitive thoughts. When you watch the movie, the most compelling
scenes are helicopter and dolly shots of them riding through the
countryside or walking around, with a catchy tune playing. Hence my
statement that it is largely a music video.


You just don't understand the movie.

Roger Ebert said this about it, among other things:

Its strong point is the role of the self-proclaimed rebel in a
conformist society. It's not just bike freaks who get in trouble when
they challenge the establishment -- it's everybody, even Old George
(Jack Nicholson character).

And yet, "Easy Rider" suggests, it's not as simple as that. We almost
forget that the Fonda and Hopper characters have also sold out. Victims
can sell out just as well as their persecutors. They sold out because
what they were trying to be was the mirror image of the rednecks in the
truck, and neither life-style is healthy. And so there they were, their
gas tanks stuffed full of bribes from the establishment, and you
remember hearing somewhere that, in the South, "easy rider" is slang for
a prostitute's lover.

I suspect there are hundreds of classic and near-classic films you don't
get, and that would include most of the "foreign films" of the 50's and
60's. You seem to suffer from ennui about many things ethereal and
artistic. Opera, after all, is nothing more than silly plots and
costumes with singing, right? :)


Well then, I guess it really wasn't "It's a fictional "guy movie" of a road trip that ends badly. " after all


LOL!

Keyser Söze August 22nd 16 02:18 PM

motocycle observation.
 
Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 11:46:02 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/21/16 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 07:12:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/20/16 8:48 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:56:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:


What did it say? Smoke dope, drop acid and get murdered?
Real inspirational.
It is amusing that as soon as I said I didn't really care for the
movie that much, you flip flopped and became a raving fan.

Did I ever tell you how much I admire Hillary Clinton ;-)



It isn't one of my favorite movies, but I appreciate what it had to say
about our culture at the time.

Again, what exactly did it say? Smuggle cocaine, make enough money to
smoke dope, drop acid and ride around ****ing up until you give the
finger to the wrong redneck and get shot.
It certainly did not relate much to the America I knew in 1969 and I
doubt it did for you either. You only believe it was inspirational
because arty people said it was. The fact that you had to go to a wiki
page for the review seems to back that up.

Next time I am bored I will watch it again to see if there was some
hidden message I missed or really give a **** about.
I am really more curious if they did mix pan heads and knuckle heads
though. The best I can find is they used a 52 and a 54 Harley (pan
heads) for Captain America and one of them was totaled during the
shooting of the movie.
That is more interesting than whether they were dropping the green
acid or the brown acid at Marti Gras.


I quoted from the Wiki page because it was fast, easy, and simple. This
is rec.boats, after all.

"Arty people." Love it.

I think most of the "message" comes from the song lyrics in the sound
track. In that regard, Roger McGuinn, Bob Dylan, Carole King and Mars
Bonfire should have relieved screen writer credits. They wrote most of
the definitive thoughts. When you watch the movie, the most compelling
scenes are helicopter and dolly shots of them riding through the
countryside or walking around, with a catchy tune playing. Hence my
statement that it is largely a music video.


You just don't understand the movie.

Roger Ebert said this about it, among other things:

Its strong point is the role of the self-proclaimed rebel in a
conformist society. It's not just bike freaks who get in trouble when
they challenge the establishment -- it's everybody, even Old George
(Jack Nicholson character).

And yet, "Easy Rider" suggests, it's not as simple as that. We almost
forget that the Fonda and Hopper characters have also sold out. Victims
can sell out just as well as their persecutors. They sold out because
what they were trying to be was the mirror image of the rednecks in the
truck, and neither life-style is healthy. And so there they were, their
gas tanks stuffed full of bribes from the establishment, and you
remember hearing somewhere that, in the South, "easy rider" is slang for
a prostitute's lover.

I suspect there are hundreds of classic and near-classic films you don't
get, and that would include most of the "foreign films" of the 50's and
60's. You seem to suffer from ennui about many things ethereal and
artistic. Opera, after all, is nothing more than silly plots and
costumes with singing, right? :)


Well then, I guess it really wasn't "It's a fictional "guy movie" of a
road trip that ends badly. " after all


That is simply the story line

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

[email protected] August 22nd 16 08:23 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 07:46:38 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:


It's a good thing that Harry could rely on Roger Ebert to explain the
movie to him. :-)


Ebert was the last person I would listen to anyway. There are web
sites dedicated to pointing out great movies he panned and horrible
movies he pimped.
My guess is there was some money changing hands.

[email protected] August 22nd 16 08:24 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 09:18:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Well then, I guess it really wasn't "It's a fictional "guy movie" of a
road trip that ends badly. " after all


That is simply the story line


Without the music, that is pretty much the whole story.

Keyser Soze August 22nd 16 09:29 PM

motocycle observation.
 
On 8/22/16 3:24 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 09:18:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Well then, I guess it really wasn't "It's a fictional "guy movie" of a
road trip that ends badly. " after all


That is simply the story line


Without the music, that is pretty much the whole story.


You're a funny guy, to be sure. And without the music, the Umbrellas of
Cherbourg would just be about an umbrella shop.
Easy Rider, btw, is on AFI's list of the top 100 American movies of all
time, along with what, 99 others you didn't "get"?


Tim August 22nd 16 10:03 PM

motocycle observation.
 

3:29 PMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
You're a funny guy, to be sure. And without the music, the Umbrellas of
Cherbourg would just be about an umbrella shop.
Easy Rider, btw, is on AFI's list of the top 100 American movies of all
time, along with what, 99 others you didn't "get"?
.....
Pretty good recommendation for just a "guy movie"

justan August 23rd 16 12:45 AM

motocycle observation.
 
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 8/20/16 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:56:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:



What did it say? Smoke dope, drop acid and get murdered?
Real inspirational.
It is amusing that as soon as I said I didn't really care for the
movie that much, you flip flopped and became a raving fan.

Did I ever tell you how much I admire Hillary Clinton ;-)



It isn't one of my favorite movies, but I appreciate what it had to say
about our culture at the time.


Again, what exactly did it say? Smuggle cocaine, make enough money to
smoke dope, drop acid and ride around ****ing up until you give the
finger to the wrong redneck and get shot.
It certainly did not relate much to the America I knew in 1969 and I
doubt it did for you either. You only believe it was inspirational
because arty people said it was. The fact that you had to go to a wiki
page for the review seems to back that up.

Next time I am bored I will watch it again to see if there was some
hidden message I missed or really give a **** about.
I am really more curious if they did mix pan heads and knuckle heads
though. The best I can find is they used a 52 and a 54 Harley (pan
heads) for Captain America and one of them was totaled during the
shooting of the movie.
That is more interesting than whether they were dropping the green
acid or the brown acid at Marti Gras.


I quoted from the Wiki page because it was fast, easy, and simple. This
is rec.boats, after all.

"Arty people." Love it.


Don't you wtsh that paying your bills was that fast, easy, and simple?
--
x


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http://usenet.sinaapp.com/

[email protected] August 23rd 16 12:51 AM

motocycle observation.
 
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:29:45 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/22/16 3:24 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 09:18:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Well then, I guess it really wasn't "It's a fictional "guy movie" of a
road trip that ends badly. " after all


That is simply the story line


Without the music, that is pretty much the whole story.


You're a funny guy, to be sure. And without the music, the Umbrellas of
Cherbourg would just be about an umbrella shop.
Easy Rider, btw, is on AFI's list of the top 100 American movies of all
time, along with what, 99 others you didn't "get"?


Ok you win. It is somewhere between Gone with the Wind and Citizen
Kane.

Keyser Soze August 23rd 16 12:53 AM

motocycle observation.
 
On 8/22/16 7:51 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:29:45 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/22/16 3:24 PM,
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 09:18:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Well then, I guess it really wasn't "It's a fictional "guy movie" of a
road trip that ends badly. " after all


That is simply the story line

Without the music, that is pretty much the whole story.


You're a funny guy, to be sure. And without the music, the Umbrellas of
Cherbourg would just be about an umbrella shop.
Easy Rider, btw, is on AFI's list of the top 100 American movies of all
time, along with what, 99 others you didn't "get"?


Ok you win. It is somewhere between Gone with the Wind and Citizen
Kane.


Actually, no, but it is on the same list.

Califbill August 23rd 16 01:06 AM

motocycle observation.
 
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/22/16 7:51 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:29:45 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/22/16 3:24 PM,
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 09:18:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Well then, I guess it really wasn't "It's a fictional "guy movie" of a
road trip that ends badly. " after all


That is simply the story line

Without the music, that is pretty much the whole story.


You're a funny guy, to be sure. And without the music, the Umbrellas of
Cherbourg would just be about an umbrella shop.
Easy Rider, btw, is on AFI's list of the top 100 American movies of all
time, along with what, 99 others you didn't "get"?


Ok you win. It is somewhere between Gone with the Wind and Citizen
Kane.


Actually, no, but it is on the same list.


Just like "No country for old men" was rated best movie at the academy
awards.


[email protected] August 23rd 16 01:08 AM

motocycle observation.
 
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:53:43 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/22/16 7:51 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:29:45 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/22/16 3:24 PM,
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 09:18:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


Well then, I guess it really wasn't "It's a fictional "guy movie" of a
road trip that ends badly. " after all


That is simply the story line

Without the music, that is pretty much the whole story.


You're a funny guy, to be sure. And without the music, the Umbrellas of
Cherbourg would just be about an umbrella shop.
Easy Rider, btw, is on AFI's list of the top 100 American movies of all
time, along with what, 99 others you didn't "get"?


Ok you win. It is somewhere between Gone with the Wind and Citizen
Kane.


Actually, no, but it is on the same list.


Yup, between Duck Soup and Yankee Doodle Dandy.

[email protected] August 23rd 16 01:14 AM

motocycle observation.
 
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:06:24 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:



Actually, no, but it is on the same list.


Just like "No country for old men" was rated best movie at the academy
awards.


Bear in mind this is an 18 year old list and newer movies may have
pushed it down on the list a bit. It was #88 in 1998, do you think
there may have been a dozen better movies made since? Is it possible
the stoners who voted for it in 98 may have retired or died since
then?

Keyser Soze August 23rd 16 02:39 AM

motocycle observation.
 
On 8/22/16 8:14 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:06:24 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:



Actually, no, but it is on the same list.


Just like "No country for old men" was rated best movie at the academy
awards.


Bear in mind this is an 18 year old list and newer movies may have
pushed it down on the list a bit. It was #88 in 1998, do you think
there may have been a dozen better movies made since? Is it possible
the stoners who voted for it in 98 may have retired or died since
then?


It's moved up to 84 on the newer list, and I doubt "stoners" have
anything to do with its recognition. You just don't like the premises of
the movie.

[email protected] August 23rd 16 03:17 AM

motocycle observation.
 
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 21:39:14 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/22/16 8:14 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:06:24 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:



Actually, no, but it is on the same list.


Just like "No country for old men" was rated best movie at the academy
awards.


Bear in mind this is an 18 year old list and newer movies may have
pushed it down on the list a bit. It was #88 in 1998, do you think
there may have been a dozen better movies made since? Is it possible
the stoners who voted for it in 98 may have retired or died since
then?


It's moved up to 84 on the newer list, and I doubt "stoners" have
anything to do with its recognition. You just don't like the premises of
the movie.


The premise is not what I don't like, it is just the tedious scenes
that are clearly about stoned guys, that look to be directed and shot
by stoned guys. The story just drags on. Nicholson was the main
redeeming value in the middle third of the movie, as reflected in the
awards actually won. By the time they got back on the road from Marti
Gras, I did not care if they died. I was ready for it to be over.

As I said, I will watch it again and see if it is any better with more
reflection. Maybe you should too.


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